The 2024 Presidential Nomination Thread

[Lathum]

I guess even poor white MAGA trash has their limits paying a so called billionaires legal bills.

Donald Trump’s donor numbers fall by 200,000 compared with 2019

[Lathum]

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I guess even poor white MAGA trash has their limits paying a so called billionaires legal bills.

Donald Trump’s donor numbers fall by 200,000 compared with 2019

His fundraising is bad right now. Haley is out-raising him and he's spending about 20% of incoming cash on legal bills. He raised around 14 mil in January while Biden raised 42 mil.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Good for Haley. I don't know if this is the right decision politically but appreciate the drive to see it through.

Big day for Haley. Hope she does much better than expected so she can last longer (every little bit helps).

[Atocep]

The media has been eating Biden alive for his age, but ignores the fact that Trump is, at times, having trouble putting a coherent sentence together at his rallies.

[Ksyrup]

That's because it's hard to differentiate from his usual ramblings.

[JPhillips]

Every Trump rally would be a month of stories if Biden acted that way.

[Lathum]

Trumps going to win in part because of the way the media covers Biden, especially his age, and when they lose their FCC licenses they will wonder why.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Trumps going to win in part because of the way the media covers Biden, especially his age, and when they lose their FCC licenses they will wonder why.

The media should ignore the age issue? An obvious issue that is noted as the #1 negative on Biden by polls?

The media sucks in this country but pointing out the very old guy who has issues remembering basic facts about his life seems relevant in a Presidential eelction.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The media should ignore the age issue? An obvious issue that is noted as the #1 negative on Biden by polls?

The media sucks in this country but pointing out the very old guy who has issues remembering basic facts about his life seems relevant in a Presidential eelction.

Biden has his age issues and I'd rank it as my #1 concern with him as well, but I don't think the date of son's death and some other things mentioned are that big of a deal. Those are typical age related issues. When it comes down to decision making by himself and those around him he's still a safe choice.

With Trump, you not only have those same issues with forgetting key facts about his life, but you also have clear mental decline with slurred speech, mixing people up, along with weird rants and ramblings. Ksyrup mentioned for most its hard to distinguish from his normal ramblings, and there's some truth there, but his is also far beyond what we saw in 2016 and 2020.

My concern with Trump is when you mix his general instability with some dementia you have a dangerous mix. Add in his revenge obsession and a GOP that's busy purging anyone that isn't full-on MAGA and we're putting a lot of faith in our institutional guardrails that he's already shown he's willing to tear down.

[Atocep]

Haley is going to get crushed today. She's still pulling in plenty of money so as long as she continues to there's no reason for her to back out and ride it out as long as she can to see if anything happens to Trump that disqualifies him.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sout...y?id=107521006

Voters also prefer Trump to handle the economy over Haley, 70-28%, and border security, 73-25%. And 83% say Trump is likely to win in November vs. 55% who say the same of Haley, indicating South Carolina primary voters were not persuaded by a key part of Haley's campaign pitch.

Indeed, 63% of South Carolina Republican voters see Trump as "very" likely to defeat President Joe Biden in November vs. just 24% who say the same about Haley.

Sixty-five percent in these preliminary results also say they'd see Trump as fit to be president even if he were convicted of a crime; 32% would not see him as fit for office.

I've seen some interesting data, and I don't remember where, but it showed that the GOP is horribly informed when it comes to his indictments and you do see some of his support chip away the more informed a voter is. He's convinced not only base, but large amounts of more moderate voters that the charges against him are entirely political in nature and there's no evidence he committed a crime.

Much of Trump's advantage in South Carolina is structural: Sixty-one percent of Republican voters identify themselves as evangelical white Christians, who've become a core support group for Trump; this compares with 19% in New Hampshire. And 80% of Saturday's voters are conservatives, including 43% very conservative, again a boon to the former president.

Another interesting thing is the unspoken contract he has with evangelicals. As long as he gives them what they're asking for they'll ignore the fact that he's probably the most impious man to ever set foot in the white house.

That state of the GOP right now is that if Jesus Christ was on the ballot and didn't have a "R" next to his name he isn't winning any election in a red area.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The media should ignore the age issue? An obvious issue that is noted as the #1 negative on Biden by polls?

The media sucks in this country but pointing out the very old guy who has issues remembering basic facts about his life seems relevant in a Presidential eelction.

I said the way they cover it, I didn't say they shouldn't.

Anyone who isn't concerned with Bidens age isn't paying attention. That being said Trump makes equal or worse gaffs, on top of, you know, flat out saying he wants to be an authoritarian, and the media lets it slide because we have gotten used to the crazy.

You never hear them media discuss all the positive things Biden has done. It is literally all about his age and they jump on any minor gaff.

[RainMaker]

I think the media has been incredibly kind to Biden lately.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Lathum

flat out saying he wants to be an authoritarian

Umm, that's why most of us are voting for him.

He isn't hiding that he intends to be one ... and we aren't really hiding the fact that we believe one is desperately needed to save what little good might be left in a once great nation.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think the media has been incredibly kind to Biden lately.

Compared to past candidates? Probably

Compared to his opponent? Absolutely not. If Biden had one speech that was anything like a Trump speech they'd put him in a straight jacket and wheel him away on the spot.

Slurring speech? Mixing up his primary opponent for the former House Speaker? Mixing up the current President for a previous one? Not remembering the dates he was married? Stumbling through sentences that don't make sense?

Dems have been slow to pounce on it because it highlights a weakness of Biden and starts us down the road of the "race to the bottom". It's something Haley and other GOP candidates should have pounced on day 1, but they handled Trump with kids gloves and all but Haley are sitting at home hoping to get picked for VP.

The reality is it should be a huge story for both. It's disingenuous to attack Biden for his age and mistakes and mostly ignore Trump having the same issues, if not worse.

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm, that's why most of us are voting for him.

He isn't hiding that he intends to be one ... and we aren't really hiding the fact that we believe one is desperately needed to save what little good might be left in a once great nation.

When was it great?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Umm, that's why most of us are voting for him.

He isn't hiding that he intends to be one ... and we aren't really hiding the fact that we believe one is desperately needed to save what little good might be left in a once great nation.

For a lot of people, authoritarianism sounds great when you're on the side of the people in power. The problem is to maintain that power the people that benefit shrinks to the point that nearly everyone is an enemy of the state and the state eventually eats itself alive and collapses.

Authoritarianism has never really worked and and in nearly every instance has come back to oppress those that voted for it. You also can't mix authoritarianism and capitalism. Eventually you're going to see real socialism as a means for the authoritarian state to maintain control over the economy and its people.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

When was it great?

I think he means the CSA.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

When was it great?

A fair question. I'd venture to say most people that say this would point to a timeframe when New Deal socialism had boosted the economy and living conditions, unions had power, a minimum wage was a living wage, and getting an education was far cheaper than today.

I'm sure those aren't the things from that period that people would say made us great, but that's the reality.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Atocep

For a lot of people, authoritarianism sounds great when you're on the side of the people in power. The problem is to maintain that power the people that benefit shrinks to the point that nearly everyone is an enemy of the state and the state eventually eats itself alive and collapses.

Authoritarianism has never really worked and and in nearly every instance has come back to oppress those that voted for it. You also can't mix authoritarianism and capitalism. Eventually you're going to see real socialism as a means for the authoritarian state to maintain control over the economy and its people.

It works as long as you have money to bribe people to get anything done (or are those in position to receive the bribes).

[RainMaker]

Some people like licking boots and having a daddy tell them what they're allowed to do. Not going to convince people to change their view on that.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Compared to past candidates? Probably

Compared to his opponent? Absolutely not. If Biden had one speech that was anything like a Trump speech they'd put him in a straight jacket and wheel him away on the spot.

Slurring speech? Mixing up his primary opponent for the former House Speaker? Mixing up the current President for a previous one? Not remembering the dates he was married? Stumbling through sentences that don't make sense?

Dems have been slow to pounce on it because it highlights a weakness of Biden and starts us down the road of the "race to the bottom". It's something Haley and other GOP candidates should have pounced on day 1, but they handled Trump with kids gloves and all but Haley are sitting at home hoping to get picked for VP.

The reality is it should be a huge story for both. It's disingenuous to attack Biden for his age and mistakes and mostly ignore Trump having the same issues, if not worse.

They've given him a complete pass on the ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Barely any pushback from mainstream press and even puff pieces every couple weeks about how "Biden is angry with Netanyahu" that mean absolutely nothing.

The border plan has been played as some master gambit and not that Biden is essentially trying to implement Trump's border policy. The same policy the media torched Trump for at every turn (and Biden campaigned against). Almost no questions on why we're just funneling billions to Ukraine and what we're getting out of it. And remember how the media cared about COVID until Biden was elected?

Trump would be destroyed by the media for all this. If your biggest complaint about the media is questioning whether a guy who will be 86 at the end of his second term should be re-elected, you're in a good spot.

To me it just feels like people building up excuses already for a defeat. An inability to accept why an unpopular old man in cognitive decline might not make the best candidate for President.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

They've given him a complete pass on the ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Barely any pushback from mainstream press and even puff pieces every couple weeks about how "Biden is angry with Netanyahu" that mean absolutely nothing.

The border plan has been played as some master gambit and not that Biden is essentially trying to implement Trump's border policy. The same policy the media torched Trump for at every turn (and Biden campaigned against). Almost no questions on why we're just funneling billions to Ukraine and what we're getting out of it. And remember how the media cared about COVID until Biden was elected?

Trump would be destroyed by the media for all this. If your biggest complaint about the media is questioning whether a guy who will be 86 at the end of his second term should be re-elected, you're in a good spot.

To me it just feels like people building up excuses already for a defeat. An inability to accept why an unpopular old man in cognitive decline might not make the best candidate for President.

Absolutely I said is refuted in your post here. I said compared to past Presidents the media has been soft on him, but not in comparison to his opponent, who you could describe in the exact same way as your last paragraph.

Yes, the media was hard on the guy that oversaw the death of over 400,000 Americans, broke federal laws on a daily basis, routinely leaked classified info, stole classified info, hired his unqualified family members into key white house positions, and had to be handled like a child by his advisors.

I don't know if you have just blissfully forgotten the stuff Trump did or if your obsession with the negatives with Biden clouds your thinking, but you constantly move goal posts and either misrepresent parts of his policy or just ignore his accomplishments altogether. It's difficult to take you seriously when it comes to anything related to Biden, though, when you act like he's been worse than Trump for the left.

[RainMaker]

Every single one of those things you mention about Trump was covered extensively by the media. I don't know what you're arguing at this point. That because Trump is worse than Biden they should never criticize Biden? What do you think they are criticizing Biden for that they wouldn't criticize Trump for?

No one is forgetting what Trump did. It's all been covered and continue to be covered. Maybe you're upset it's not getting the response from the public you want.

And more people have died from COVID under Biden than Trump. We're still at 600 a day. The media just stopped caring when Biden got into office.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Every single one of those things you mention about Trump was covered extensively by the media. I don't know what you're arguing at this point. That because Trump is worse than Biden they should never criticize Biden? What do you think they are criticizing Biden for that they wouldn't criticize Trump for?

The argument was that compared to Trump, the media isn't going easy on Biden. Biden is getting hammered for his age while Trump largely gets a pass. Biden couldn't remember the year his son died and was ripped to shreds for it. Trump couldn't remember the years he was married to his previous wife. Not a peep from the media. Biden didn't remember some things surrounding the classified documents in his house that were detailed in the special report. Again, the media jumped on it. Trump seemingly can't remember a single thing when he's being disposed, but that's just him being smart and not incriminating himself. Everyone looks the other way. Biden makes a gaff on who the President of France is and the media jumps on it. Trump confuses who the President of Turkey for the President of Hungary and then tells people that President called on Obama, instead of Biden to step down, nothing from the media. There's a massive difference in how the media is treating each in regards to their age.

That argument is where this started and where we're at now is what every single Biden conversation you're involved in devolves into. You absolutely seem incapable of seeing him in anything other than a negative light. You have been far quicker in this thread to praise Trump than to give the Biden administration credit for a single positive thing.

Originally Posted by RainMaker

No one is forgetting what Trump did. It's all been covered and continue to be covered. Maybe you're upset it's not getting the response from the public you want.

Bullshit

His entire strategy is to do so much ridiculous shit it's impossible to cover everything and everyone forgets most of it. That was discussed extensively in the Trump presidency thread. There's tons of shit with Trump that most people don't remember because we've gone through 1,000 scandals since then.

Originally Posted by RainMaker

And more people have died from COVID under Biden than Trump. We're still at 600 a day. The media just stopped caring when Biden got into office.

Yes, and abortion laws were better under Trump and Trump did more for poor people than Biden has. We know where you stand.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The argument was that compared to Trump, the media isn't going easy on Biden. Biden is getting hammered for his age while Trump largely gets a pass. Biden couldn't remember the year his son died and was ripped to shreds for it. Trump couldn't remember the years he was married to his previous wife. Not a peep from the media. Biden didn't remember some things surrounding the classified documents in his house that were detailed in the special report. Again, the media jumped on it. Trump seemingly can't remember a single thing when he's being disposed, but that's just him being smart and not incriminating himself. Everyone looks the other way. Biden makes a gaff on who the President of France is and the media jumps on it. Trump confuses who the President of Turkey for the President of Hungary and then tells people that President called on Obama, instead of Biden to step down, nothing from the media. There's a massive difference in how the media is treating each in regards to their age.

Every single one of those things you mentioned about Trump was covered by the media. His competency has been relentlessly talked about over the past 7 years. They had wall-to-wall coverage about invoking the 25th Amendment on him.

Originally Posted by Atocep

That argument is where this started and where we're at now is what every single Biden conversation you're involved in devolves into. You absolutely seem incapable of seeing him in anything other than a negative light. You have been far quicker in this thread to praise Trump than to give the Biden administration credit for a single positive thing.

Biden has been one of the worst politicians in our country over the past 50 years. He spearheaded a law that destroyed the economic prospects of an entire generation. He voted for 2 disastrous wars in the Middle East and after that was seen as a failure, is trying to bring back that same neocon foreign policy. Not to mention the billions he has provided for a genocide which is one of the most shameful foreign policy decisions in our country's history. So yes, I do view him in a negative light.

As for why I am talking about him instead of Trump? Because Biden is President.

Originally Posted by Atocep

His entire strategy is to do so much ridiculous shit it's impossible to cover everything and everyone forgets most of it. That was discussed extensively in the Trump presidency thread. There's tons of shit with Trump that most people don't remember because we've gone through 1,000 scandals since then.

No one has forgotten about the stuff. There's just only so many times you can go to that well. 7 years of orange man bad is just not cutting it anymore. They need new material like an actual policy position.

Originally Posted by Atocep

Yes, and abortion laws were better under Trump and Trump did more for poor people than Biden has. We know where you stand.

You're the one who said it was the President's fault for COVID deaths! Do the deaths not count under Biden because of the D next to his name or because he said the pandemic was over 2 years ago?

[RainMaker]

And I think overall your frustration is misguided toward the media. People aren't talking about the issues you want because the President physically can't. He isn't mentally capable of going on Jimmy Fallon and doing that. He can't hold a long press conference where he blasts Trump's record.

Take a look at the recent Alabama ruling. Obama would have been in front of the cameras the next day talking about it. It would have been broadcast on every news site and channel. Biden had to have his team put out a statement. It just doesn't resonate the same way.

That's why it sucks to run an 82-year old who you have to hide from the public. Despite his political flaws, 2016 Biden would be dogwalking Trump in this election. Just go back and watch how good Biden was in front of a camera 10 years ago. The media is not your campaign team and the party should stop making excuses.

[albionmoonlight]

If you think of Trump as the de facto GOP incumbent, these results are horrible for him.

If you think of him as a challenger in an open primary, then they are great.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

No one has forgotten about the stuff. There's just only so many times you can go to that well. 7 years of orange man bad is just not cutting it anymore. They need new material like an actual policy position.

He passed the largest infrastructure bill in years, CHIPS Act, bipartisan border deal that Trump tanked, etc...there is plenty of policy positions that can be discussed, the media refuses to do it.

Hell, the market went bonkers the other ay and all I saw were stories about Biden slipping as he boarded air force one.

No one is saying Biden isn't too old, hell, I agree with you. The point is the media is giving coverage of that a disproportionate amount of time to his age instead of Trumps obvious equal issues, or Bidens positives. Trump has already said he will revoke FCC licenses for unfriendly media, so when ABC loses their broadcast license because Jimmy Kimmel is mean to him they will have no one to blame but themsleves.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

If you think of Trump as the de facto GOP incumbent, these results are horrible for him.

If you think of him as a challenger in an open primary, then they are great.

Some of the CNN exit polls were pretty wild.

[Ghost Econ]

I mean, who hasn't said the wrong name when introducing your wife?

Donald Trump calls wife Melania ‘Mercedes’ during CPAC | News | Independent TV

[flere-imsaho]

Reagan spent his second administration in a haze of dementia, as likely will either Biden or Trump. What the election should really be about, and what the media really should be focusing on is who will really be running the country under either of these administrations, because the differences are really stark, despite what "both sides" Rainmaker would have you believe.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

He passed the largest infrastructure bill in years, CHIPS Act, bipartisan border deal that Trump tanked, etc...there is plenty of policy positions that can be discussed, the media refuses to do it.

Hell, the market went bonkers the other ay and all I saw were stories about Biden slipping as he boarded air force one.

No one is saying Biden isn't too old, hell, I agree with you. The point is the media is giving coverage of that a disproportionate amount of time to his age instead of Trumps obvious equal issues, or Bidens positives. Trump has already said he will revoke FCC licenses for unfriendly media, so when ABC loses their broadcast license because Jimmy Kimmel is mean to him they will have no one to blame but themsleves.

He should get on TV and talk about those accomplishments. The media is not your campaign.

As for why age is being talked about, it's because it's the number one issue for voters against him. Seems relevant to to cover something voters are concerned with instead of something voters aren't.

[JPhillips]

Just last week Biden spoke to reporters multiple times, did multiple public or donor events, hosted the governors at multiple events and spoke to the G7 over video.

I think it is fair to criticize the media for playing along with the idea that Biden can't handle public events.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

He should get on TV and talk about those accomplishments. The media is not your campaign.

As for why age is being talked about, it's because it's the number one issue for voters against him. Seems relevant to to cover something voters are concerned with instead of something voters aren't.

It may not be the medias job to carry his water, but back to my original point. When he starts cancelling FCC licenses out of revenge for something Jimmy Kimmel said they will have no one to blame but themselves.

Don’t tell me that can’t or won’t happen because Stephen Miller et al have already said they want state run media.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

It may not be the medias job to carry his water, but back to my original point. When he starts cancelling FCC licenses out of revenge for something Jimmy Kimmel said they will have no one to blame but themselves.

Don’t tell me that can’t or won’t happen because Stephen Miller et al have already said they want state run media.

So because of a threat to their FCC license, they should drop the journalism and just be his campaign? I genuinely don't know what you're asking them to do. It's not their job to win elections.

And none of that will happen. He was already President for 4 years and didn't do that. He doesn't even have the power to do that. Just another scare tactic because you have nothing else to run on.

[Edward64]

Probably won't be long now.

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[cuervo72]

C'mon guys, there's no way Trump would put those Heritage/Project 2025 guys in charge! Something like that couldn't happen here.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

So because of a threat to their FCC license, they should drop the journalism and just be his campaign? I genuinely don't know what you're asking them to do. It's not their job to win elections.

And none of that will happen. He was already President for 4 years and didn't do that. He doesn't even have the power to do that. Just another scare tactic because you have nothing else to run on.

I get it. You hate the guy. You envision him standing in the middle of the Gaza strip with one hand holding a rocket launcher and the other drinking the blood of Palestinian children out of a skull.

I'm just asking for balanced coverage. Shouldn't be too much to ask.

And I know you aren't stupid. If you don't think virtually all the guardrails from his first term will be removed you're nuts.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

C'mon guys, there's no way Trump would put those Heritage/Project 2025 guys in charge! Something like that couldn't happen here.

I've been told without 60 Senate seats you really can't do anything.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I've been told without 60 Senate seats you really can't do anything.

and when you control the courts you can get away with a lot.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I get it. You hate the guy. You envision him standing in the middle of the Gaza strip with one hand holding a rocket launcher and the other drinking the blood of Palestinian children out of a skull.

I'm just asking for balanced coverage. Shouldn't be too much to ask.

And I know you aren't stupid. If you don't think virtually all the guardrails from his first term will be removed you're nuts.

He is illegally supplying the weaponry for the genocide. He is proposing far-right immigration policies to get more money to kill more people. So he's not bathing in the blood of dead Palestinian children, but he wants it to happen.

And you don't want unbiased coverage. If they treat Biden like Trump, he'd be peppered every day about Gaza, COVID deaths, and the opening of new wars in the Middle East. We'd go back to caring about kids in cages and families being separated. Maybe they'll make a big stink about the USPS again which they conveniently stopped caring about in January 2021.

Trust me, Biden has an extremely friendly media at his back. The age thing is about the tamest shit they can be going after him for. The guy has 50 years of incompetence under his belt they won't touch.

I get the party needs to start piling up those excuses early but I don't think blaming the media for mentioning what we all can see (he's old) is the reason he's in danger of losing to a tremendously bad candidate.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and when you control the courts you can get away with a lot.

There are 59 federal judiciary openings that the Democrats have not filled. Biden has only bothered to nominate people for 22 of those positions. And they're still using the old tradition of blue slips to allow more conservative judges to be nominated (something McConnell laughed at when he had a majority).

So it doesn't seem like the Democrats are as concerned about the courts as you are.

[RainMaker]

Biden also voted to confirm Scalia and O'Connor to the courts if you're wondering his thoughts on the threat of conservative judges.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Biden also voted to confirm Scalia and O'Connor to the courts if you're wondering his thoughts on the threat of conservative judges.

RM, you really look like you are hunting for bad stuff to say about Biden, Scalia was voted in 98-0. It was a different more bipartisan time then, and weren't expecting him to be SO conservative in his rulings, O'Connor got 99 votes to confirm.



Biden has confirmed 177 judges so far, so he's not just sitting back and doing nothing. Though i would like him to nominate the Court of Appeals judges before the end of his term. I don't know the process involved in finding and naming judges, so maybe there are legitimate reasons for some of the openings not being filled.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_by_Joe_Biden

[flere-imsaho]

Biden was on pace to appoint way more judges than Trump until Feinstein got ill and the Senate Judiciary Committee ground to a halt. Still, he's appointed a lot, and 2/3s of those appointed have been POC. Really impressive given that he's only got a 50-50 Senate.

reuters.com

Picking on that point and the unaninmous confirmations of Scalia & O'Connor shows, again, your naivete, RM. This is "Bernie's going to win and pass the Green New Deal and appoint 9 justices to SCOTUS" all over again.

[RainMaker]

There's 59 vacancies. Most of which are in Republican states that are being held up by "blue slips". Something Trump and McConnell laughed at (and will laugh at if in power again). That doesn't count the moderate and conservative judges he's gotten confirmed with the blessing of Republican Senators like Marco Rubio. They literally planned to nominate an anti-abortion judge in Kentucky till some folks spoke up.

So are the courts important or not? Are they vital to upholding our democracy as was implied earlier in the thread? Because if so, why was a 90-year old senile woman placed in such a vital role? Why are "blue slips" still being taken seriously by just one part? Why has there been a failure to even nominate someone for half the remaining vacancies?

Just answer those questions for me since you're both implying that the courts are important to Biden and the Democrats.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

There's 59 vacancies. Most of which are in Republican states that are being held up by "blue slips". Something Trump and McConnell laughed at (and will laugh at if in power again). That doesn't count the moderate and conservative judges he's gotten confirmed with the blessing of Republican Senators like Marco Rubio. They literally planned to nominate an anti-abortion judge in Kentucky till some folks spoke up.

So are the courts important or not? Are they vital to upholding our democracy as was implied earlier in the thread? Because if so, why was a 90-year old senile woman placed in such a vital role? Why are "blue slips" still being taken seriously by just one part? Why has there been a failure to even nominate someone for half the remaining vacancies?

Just answer those questions for me since you're both implying that the courts are important to Biden and the Democrats.

This I agree with. The GOP ignored the blue slip for 17 nominations and they've said they want to rework how they're used in 2025 so they can't be abused anymore, but at the very least the dems should ignore it for 17 of their own nominations.

[Ksyrup]

I think it's beyond obvious that the Dems have attempted to stay within the rails of outdated "norms" mistakenly thinking they are taking the high ground and that voters really give a crap when it comes to things like this. It's also why the party just sat around and did nothing about Biden, because a party just doesn't tell an incumbent with one term left to serve that they can't run again.