Werewolf LXXI - Doomsday (GAME OVER. WOLVES WIN!)

[Lathum]

dola- placeholder vote just in case, but I can see a situation where SY was the seer, there is no fool and NFG/ Pass played us.

[path12]

Boy, I don't think I like that vote much at all. Has nfg been wrong yet?

I don't have time to go back and check this morning, but nfg, could you recap who you've scanned, why, and the result?

My trust list top to bottom right now is: me, nfg, Jackal, Lathum, RendeR. We've got to get this one right, guys.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

Boy, I don't think I like that vote much at all. Has nfg been wrong yet?

I don't have time to go back and check this morning, but nfg, could you recap who you've scanned, why, and the result?

My trust list top to bottom right now is: me, nfg, Jackal, Lathum, RendeR. We've got to get this one right, guys.

It's easy to be right when you know who is a wolf and who isn't.

The biggest question for me is why is he still alive?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

It's easy to be right when you know who is a wolf and who isn't.

The biggest question for me is why is he still alive?

Well, just like when ntn saw you as a villager and you felt better about him after that, nfg saw me as the same so I feel better about him.

So how would you rank the five of us, Lathum? I'd actually be interested to see everyone left give a trust ranking.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

Well, just like when ntn saw you as a villager and you felt better about him after that, nfg saw me as the same so I feel better about him.

except we now know NTN was being honest.

I'll publish a trust list but there is alot of evidence vs. nfg

[The Jackal]

There is evidence against NFG, most notably being that he scanned PB as a wolf - but what if PB wasn't the cultist and was in fact the Wolfling? He could've been playing us up yesterday so that we'd lynch NFG today. It's gonna be a tough vote, I'm looking at NFG and Render right now.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Sonic Youth

Right, so I'm to be lynched eh.

I'd be looking into PurdueBrad(check out his voting patterns) after me, but then you'll all know about Pass after taking me out. I forsee egg, and a bit.

this is the big one for me.

If SY wasn't the true seer what are the odds he nails bith PB and Pass?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

There is evidence against NFG, most notably being that he scanned PB as a wolf - but what if PB wasn't the cultist and was in fact the Wolfling? He could've been playing us up yesterday so that we'd lynch NFG today. It's gonna be a tough vote, I'm looking at NFG and Render right now.

I would be shocked if PB is the cultist, there is just no way. Not the way things went down the other day.

The wolves guessed there is a cultist, there wasn't and they got burned.

In a 16 person game with 4 wolves I would be surprised that there was also a cultist.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I would be shocked if PB is the cultist, there is just no way. Not the way things went down the other day.

The wolves guessed there is a cultist, there wasn't and they got burned.

In a 16 person game with 4 wolves I would be surprised that there was also a cultist.

I totally agree with you on all of this.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Pass your arguments are weak. Then again its hard for me because I know you are a wolf...

I would like an answer to how nfg and SY both knew PAss was a wolf?

SY was also correct about PB so i have more faith in him being the real seer. So the only way nfg could know Pass was a wolf is if he is a wolf himself

Originally Posted by nfg22

Ok. Ill clear all this up...I am the seer also.

Im confused on how we both got Pass to come back as wolf but thats what I got.

I also have Lathum as a villager and just recently, last night PurdueBrad is.....A WOLF!\

I know since SY claimed to have Pass as a wolf also that I am under heat but have NT scan me tonight to see that I also am a seer.

OK, SY had already outed PB so I giive no credit to this scan. as a wolf he would know i am a villager so ne danger there.

now he comes out as seer on 4/25 and is still alive, more on this later.

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I am NOT a wolf and am on the verge of pulling a RendeR (no offense intended but this is infuriating). NFG, are you a wolf at endgame or what?!?!

Originally Posted by nfg22

By the way. If we have two seers, even if one is the fool, calling you a wolf, then dont you think it is very possible that you are a wolf? I mean why would the real seer lie?

Also maybe SY didnt scan pass but just have strong suspicion and didnt want to be lynched so he claimed that he scanned him.

Originally Posted by nfg22

PB...how are you infuriated? I am told I am the seer. I scanned you. You came back as wolf. You get mad? if your lying thats a jerk move...

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

All this means to me is that I'm voting for either you or Lathum because this is horse$hit.

Originally Posted by nfg22

Some people need to calm down. You cannot get mad.

Even if I were a wolf and I was so smart as to make all this up then you should applaud me not get pissed.

Fact is, I am not a wolf. Just stating what my scans say.

this all seems like a little hollywooding to me

Originally Posted by nfg22

im a villager

i thought you were the seer?

Originally Posted by nfg22

I already said with the no night kill for the wolves, I didnt think it was fair to reveal being seer when they couldnt kill me.

well then you are more sporting then i

[Lathum]

OK, so there have been 2 night phases since NFG revealed as the seer. After the first night there was no kill then last night ntn was killed.

Why wouldn't the wolves kill last night instead on NTN?

Now to bring that a step further, NTN scanned Render the first night after NFG came out and the Jackyl the next, both villagers.

That leaves NFG yet to be scanned, perhaps NTN was killed because NFG was afraid NTN would out him?

[The Jackal]

Anyone else find it strange that they went after the inquisitive instead of trying to nail the bodyguard?

[The Jackal]

Dola I guess they might not have wanted to take the chance of two no night kills in a row

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Anyone else find it strange that they went after the inquisitive instead of trying to nail the bodyguard?

I answered this above, NTN was the only person in the game as far as I can tell that could blow the lid off of nfg if he is lying.

[path12]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Anyone else find it strange that they went after the inquisitive instead of trying to nail the bodyguard?

I'd have thought either the inquisitive or seer would have been the priority -- after all, they know who those are and I haven't seen anything that points out a bodyguard to me, so I'd imagine the picked the one they thought was less likely to be guarded.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

I haven't seen anything that points out a bodyguard to me, .

what about the lack of a night kill 2 nights ago?

do you have some inside information that eliminates the possibility that was a block?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

what about the lack of a night kill 2 nights ago?

do you have some inside information that eliminates the possibility that was a block?

I think the lack of a night kill suggests that the bodyguard got a block. I meant that I've seen no hints in thread about who the bodyguard might be.

[Lathum]

ahh

[Lathum]

Path, I told you I would post a trusted list but in all honesty nfg is the only person I really distrust.

The only other move I can see is maybe The Jackyl trying to make himself look good by faking as the cultist as a wolf.

[path12]

Here's what I keep coming back to. Lathum, myself and RendeR. All decent wolves. All still alive at endgame.

What's the odds that none of the three are a wolf? I could see letting a vet or two hang around to attract suspicion, but all of us? I don't see that.

[path12]

This could change. I'm not sure.

VOTE RENDER

[RendeR]

I can understand your vote Path and I do hope it changes, I've been scanned as a villager once already which is why I trusted NTN.

I have to fall back on my initial gut feelings and Lathum's pretty solid reporting. NFG has pinged my radar most of the game, especially after the constant back and forth with Pass who I was on to right from the get go in this game.

I'm gonna stick with that vote:

VOTE NFG22

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I can understand your vote Path and I do hope it changes, I've been scanned as a villager once already which is why I trusted NTN.

Here's my thinking about that. We've had a Rabid Werewolf. We apparently have a Wolfling in PB (scanned wolf, came up villager). I don't see any reason there would not be a WolfShade for a third wolf, who scans villager.

At this point in the game, I don't think we can necessarily trust scans.

I'm undecided about nfg. I don't see the benefit of coming out when and how he did if he's bad. He could be the fool or seer, but either way lynching him = loss in my mind.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

He could be the fool or seer, but either way lynching him = loss in my mind.

see PAth, this is where you are incorrect.

He can't be the fool or the seer. He can only be the seer.


So what was SY then?

[hoopsguy]

This thread needs more cowbell.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

see PAth, this is where you are incorrect.

He can't be the fool or the seer. He can only be the seer.


So what was SY then?

I must be missing something then....I don't have any notes with me. Doesn't both the seer and fool show as seer when killed? Can the fool come up with a 'wolf' result?

[path12]

OK, I just looked it up. Let me verify this.

You're saying that because both nfg and SY called Pass a wolf that they cannot be a seer AND a fool, because the fool only gets villager as a result, right?

I've got to find SY's posts now. I don't recall him flat out calling both of them wolves.

That means that it is very likely he did.

[path12]

After reading back around the SY/nfg reveal area some, I'd like to revise my trust list:

me, Lathum, nfg/The Jackal/RendeR (3 way tie).

nfg -- SY died and was revealed as seer. Could not have seen PB as a wolf unless SY was really the fool. SY however did scan and out Pass as a wolf, which makes a paradox that really can't be explained by what I see in the rules.

The Jackal -- lots of back and forth with Pass around the time of the nfg reveal. Looks weird in retrospect. Possible red herring thrown up with the 'trying to out the cultist' angle. Maybe an Unholy Mark, but it is my belief that we have two BG blocks rather than a conversion target.

RendeR -- General spidey sense, along with my theory that Lathum, RendeR and myself being left in a five person game makes it very hard to believe that we are all good -- and Lathum's play seems more villager to me. Was scanned as villager by ntn (proven good), but that can be explained by either WolfShade or just the Inquisitor role.

[path12]

Now I've gotta get back to stupid work.

[Lathum]

so is nfg doing a Pass move?

[path12]

I don't know but it's going to be hard not to vote him if he doesn't come around and talk about some of this.

[The Jackal]

This is tough. I doubt I'm going to be awake at the deadline, so ill have to get a vote in tonight.

One thing, wasn't mc's death originally blocked by a bodyguard? That's why I was going with the assumption we had one. What's the vote count?

I still have a sneaking suspicion that I guessed right with path, but I guess were looking elsewhere at the moment.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Since several people have read the result.

McCollins was protected by the bodyguard and should be alive.

here it is

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I still have a sneaking suspicion that I guessed right with path, but I guess were looking elsewhere at the moment.

what do you mean by guessed right?

[The Jackal]

I mean when I pretended to be the cultist, I was trying to out the last wolf. But I never really believed that they believed me, so I don't know how much to look into that.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I mean when I pretended to be the cultist, I was trying to out the last wolf. But I never really believed that they believed me, so I don't know how much to look into that.

what does that have to do with PAth?

[Neon_Chaos]

Just a heads up, I probably won't be on for deadline, and results might be delayed until 2 or 3 PM EST... maybe even later than that

I'm going out with friends to watch Ironman, which opens for theaters here in the Philippines today, April 30.

Anyway, the deadline still stands at 10 AM EST.

[The Jackal]

I guessed path was the last wolf

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I guessed path was the last wolf

well if it isn't nfg then I will definantly look at Path based on his defense of NFG earlier today, but IMO there is alot more evidence pointing to NFG

[nfg22]

Well this will look bad to Lathum but i hope Path will trust me. Render is a wolf.

My scans....Lathum, Villager,
Path...villager
Pass....wolf
PB....wolf...
Render wolf...

[nfg22]

oh yah..day...Heinz was a villager...and those arent in order

[nfg22]

that should be day 1

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Well this will look bad to Lathum but i hope Path will trust me. Render is a wolf.

My scans....Lathum, Villager,
Path...villager
Pass....wolf
PB....wolf...
Render wolf...

It's what I would have expected. You need jackyls vote to go to Render. seems a little to convienent.

[nfg22]

Lathum, im pretty sure one wolf is left. Its render. if he is a villager, then out me and kill me and it will be done and you win.

Unless Jackal is also wolf....

He is the last person i have left to scan...

[nfg22]

Vote Render

[nfg22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

It's what I would have expected. You need jackyls vote to go to Render. seems a little to convienent.

you think jackal is a wolf?

[Lathum]

so what is your explination as to why SY and you seemingly have the same role?

[nfg22]

SY was the fool...

PB admitted he wins when wolfs win.

SY, guessed that pass was wolf because he was about to be lynched, i dont think he ever scanned him.

[nfg22]

Lathum, find an inconsitency in all I have said...I am just being honest...

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by nfg22

you think jackal is a wolf?

no I don't.

My point is right now there are 2 votes on you and 2 votes on Render with Jackyl left to vote. In order for you to live you need Jackyl to vote Render. Seems pretty convenient that you would scan Render as a wolf at the perfect time.