Official 2010-11 College Basketball Thread

[Young Drachma]

BYU says Brandon Davies' honor code dismissal not criminal in nature - ESPN

Would suck to get laid and have the whole country know about it because it cost you your season. If it's not criminal, that's only thing that would make any sense...

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by panerd

You are a one trick pony.

You are the one who compared Coach K leaving for Missouri to Mike Anderson leaving for Arkansas. Unless I missed the national titles, how is that even remotely close to even being on the realm of the same?

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Lathum

who never drank or got laid in college.

i kid i kid

Why was this in reference to me?

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

BYU says Brandon Davies' honor code dismissal not criminal in nature - ESPN

Would suck to get laid and have the whole country know about it because it cost you your season. If it's not criminal, that's only thing that would make any sense...

It's one hell of a way to let the world know that you are going to be a dad

[molson]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

BYU says Brandon Davies' honor code dismissal not criminal in nature - ESPN

Would suck to get laid and have the whole country know about it because it cost you your season. If it's not criminal, that's only thing that would make any sense...

I hope he/she was worth it.

Only other thing I think it could be is academic dishonesty of some type.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

It's one hell of a way to let the world know that you are going to be a dad

Originally Posted by molson

I hope he/she was worth it.

Only other thing I think it could be is academic dishonesty of some type.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars...r-byu.html.csp

A source with close connections to the program has confirmed that BYU star Brandon Davies was dismissed from the Cougars’ nationally ranked basketball team after he admitted to having sexual relations with his girlfriend, a violation of the school’s honor code.

Davies, a sophomore from Provo High, acknowledged his transgression to BYU officials on Monday.

Tuesday, the school owned and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced Davies had been dismissed from the team but was being allowed to remain in school while his situation was under review by the Honor Code Office.

And some Salt Lake radio station is saying she's pregnant. Just sucks that something like this has to be a national story, is really all. Yeah he chose to go to BYU and whatever, but...bleh. That's the worst part of it, I think, that this is news. Especially since she's a D1 athlete at a different school.

[Radii]

WOW. Hell of a game in Tallahassee. Its amazing how far Harrison Barnes has come this year. Down 1 with 12 seconds to go UNC gives the ball to Barnes out near half court and cleared out for him, he gets a little space and calmly pulls up for a 3 pointer to win the game. Very close and exciting game the whole way. UNC vs Duke for the regular season title Saturday!~

[panerd]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

You are the one who compared Coach K leaving for Missouri to Mike Anderson leaving for Arkansas. Unless I missed the national titles, how is that even remotely close to even being on the realm of the same?

It's called hyperbole. That is why the little rolleyes guy was there, please reread if necessary.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Why was this in reference to me?

indeed

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Lathum

indeed

Any particular reason why?

[mauchow]

Okay, with BYU's loss to New Mexico AT HOME and with the loss of a key player, where does Lunardi (I know not that accurate all the time...) put BYU in his latest Bracketology? I'm curious to see if he drops them all the way down to a 4. But he probably gives them a three out of respect for the moment. IF they don't make it far in the conference tourney I could see them getting a 4 possibly a 5. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it was even worse.

If SDSU doesn't win the conference tourney they will drop to a 4 if not further as well. This news just helped out the likes of Wisconsin, UNC and a few other teams of having a better shot at achieving a 2 seed which is huge.

[tyketime]

I had read that as long as BYU kept winning, the Selection Committee couldn't drop them in the seedings based on whether a team is as good with a key player missing (normally due to injury) or not. Unfortunately with the loss, they've given the power back to the Selection Committee.

[panerd]

I know that Davies is black... any chance that the girlfriend ends up being white and mass media firestorm hits epic proportions once the news gets a hold of it?

[Logan]

Why would that happen exactly?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Why on earth would anyone go to college if they cant drink or have pre martial sex?

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Believe it or not, some people don't go to college to get laid or drink.

Originally Posted by panerd

You are a one trick pony.

Originally Posted by Lathum

who never drank or got laid in college.

i kid i kid

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Why was this in reference to me?

Originally Posted by Lathum

indeed

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Any particular reason why?

...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

***chuckle***

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Logan

Why would that happen exactly?

I assume your post is serious? Maybe the entire history of this country would be your answer. Or the history of the Mormon church and blacks. Or...

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Lathum

...

I know the pattern, but I certainly wasn't talking about myself when I said that.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I know the pattern, but I certainly wasn't talking about myself when I said that.

I never thought you were, just messing with you.

[MrBug708]

Gotcha

[Pumpy Tudors]

So Mike Anderson had sex with some Mormon kid in Arkansas? Is that pretty much what this thread boils down to?

And I'll stand up as one of the folks who didn't drink and fuck everything with a pulse in college, but you see how I turned out, so I don't recommend it.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Radii

WOW. Hell of a game in Tallahassee. Its amazing how far Harrison Barnes has come this year. Down 1 with 12 seconds to go UNC gives the ball to Barnes out near half court and cleared out for him, he gets a little space and calmly pulls up for a 3 pointer to win the game. Very close and exciting game the whole way. UNC vs Duke for the regular season title Saturday!~

That was a heck of a game and a big time shot. Never a doubt. Jimmy Chitwood style.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by panerd

I assume your post is serious? Maybe the entire history of this country would be your answer. Or the history of the Mormon church and blacks. Or...

I thought you were talking about a firestorm coming from how he was treated (kicked off the team for the violation).

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

So Mike Anderson had sex with some Mormon kid in Arkansas? Is that pretty much what this thread boils down to?

And I'll stand up as one of the folks who didn't drink and fuck everything with a pulse in college, but you see how I turned out, so I don't recommend it.

So you're saying you were sober when you fucked corpses?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So you're saying you were sober when you fucked corpses?

I'm from New Orleans. What do you expect?

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by panerd

I know that Davies is black... any chance that the girlfriend ends up being white and mass media firestorm hits epic proportions once the news gets a hold of it?

Davies is also LDS and grew up in Provo and was thinking of taking next year off to go on a mission. He was adopted by his mother four days after he was born. By reading the media, you'd never know it because I don't think any of them actually realize it. And they wonder why no one buys newspapers anymore...

His girlfriend is white and a D1 athlete at another school to boot. I don't know if there will be a firestorm when that manages to come out, I just hope she's not pregnant for their sakes, because this would be quite the start to that adventure. But it'd be the only thing that makes any sense, because why else would he have felt the need to admit it if he she wasn't pregnant?

I hope she's not pregnant and I hope he transfers to someplace else. Having worked in university communications for a bunch of years now, coupled with knowing the LDS church a bit better than I should; I'm not surprised by their awful handling of this, but the fact that they didn't anticipate in a slow news cycle that a story like this would have legs is fascinating moronic.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I'm from New Orleans. What do you expect?

Pretty much the screwing corpse thing, so you're in line with expectations

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Having worked in university communications for a bunch of years now, coupled with knowing the LDS church a bit better than I should; I'm not surprised by their awful handling of this, but the fact that they didn't anticipate in a slow news cycle that a story like this would have legs is fascinating moronic.

Hmm ... I'm not sure how "awful" their handling of it has really been. You can't kick a starter off a highly ranked team without getting media attention & what I've read that editorialized tends to praise the university for putting their ethics ahead of athletics. Not sure what else I'd have them do to "handle" this that wouldn't come across like trying to sweep it under the rug.

[RainMaker]

I don't know why people should praise them for their stand. They come across like voyeuristic perverts who are obsessed with the sex lives of young men and women. Praising a school that's code resembles the Taliban.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I don't know why people should praise them for their stand. They come across like voyeuristic perverts who are obsessed with the sex lives of young men and women. Praising a school that's code resembles the Taliban.

I personally agree with you. Having said that, I guess he knew the rules too.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I don't know why people should praise them for their stand. They come across like voyeuristic perverts who are obsessed with the sex lives of young men and women. Praising a school that's code resembles the Taliban.

As a guy who doesn't hold religion in the highest regard (especially easily debunked nonsense like scientology and LDS) I have to say that it is a private deal that he agreed to when he accepted their money to come play for their school. With that said I agree 100% that the praise of the honor code is a joke. Supposedly drinking caffine is in the honor code so if you think the letter of the law and the agreement have to be followed than kick off any player hanging at starbucks. I am with Rainmaker... Premaritial sex? Meh. It's 2011.

[Young Drachma]

A BYU Grad and journalist on Brandon Davies, Sex, And The University’s Double Standard

I only posted this because it corroborated much of what I was reading from BYU alums on my facebook feed today in regards to the Honor Code and how things really go down at TDS. Specifically that athletes in general get pegged a lot more often for honor code violations than anyone else on campus precisely for the reasons he was saying. So in reality, if you have a policy in place that's not being followed and then you want to take the moron er..moral high ground, then what does it say about your institution who love this type of attention to creative this mythology that these things don't happen at the school when clearly they do.

I don't think anyone thinks he made a poor choice attending BYU if he didn't want to tow the line, but...often times teenagers make poor choices as most of us do in life. I don't know that said institution has the responsibility to make a national news issue out of it and while some would have you believe there's no way around it; there are indeed ways to at least dampen the blow if you gave a shit about the student rather than turning his foibles into some kind of moral play. But it's par for the course for the institution that owns the school and thus, not surprised by the school's behavior here, it's just disappointing.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

A BYU Grad and journalist on Brandon Davies, Sex, And The University’s Double Standard

Unfortunately, the anonymous author's assertion that "a spiritual indiscretion is supposed to be a private matter" isn't realistic when we're talking about a starting player for a top 5 team in a major college sport. He can't simply disappear without some sort of explanation, an explanation that has to be somewhat cryptic because of privacy laws & such.

edit to add: The other thing that pretty much destroys the writer's credibility for me is this little bit "I can't ever remember actually reading the honor code". That's an indication to me that he's either really stupid (agreeing to abide by something he hasn't read) or of really low character (agreeing to something he isn't the least bit interested in adhering to).

Honor codes aren't all that mysterious, hell, my son has dealt with three different versions at three different schools ( 2 secular & 1 religious) & he's only in the 7th grade. But by kindergarten he could tell you with pretty good understanding what was/wasn't kosher under them. He was also capable of grasping the concept that, even if you don't agree with one of the rules or don't fully understand the basis of the rule, that if you're in their house so to speak then you play by their rules or you go elsewhere. Not sure why that's seems to be so difficult for some adults to get their heads around.

[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina was able to get by VMI to reach the Big South Final in a game that should have been as close as it was-some sloppy inbound passing again and a few other poor decisions let VMI back in the game a few times. But they are on to the final now where they unfortunately will face NC-Asheville. High Point couldn't pull the second upset so the Chants face off against the last team to beat them in the regular season.

[mauchow]

Jordan Taylor goes nuts again. 39 pts against Indiana as the Badgers win on the road, keeping their 2 seed hopes alive. Lose against Ohio St Sunday and make it to the BTT CHampionship and the committee will have a hard time figuring out the Badgers seed as a 2 or 3.

[Young Drachma]

Seton Hall gives St. John's a dose of their own medicine in the upset tonight.

I hope, but doubt, that Wyoming can further injure BYU's chances at a high seed when they play to end the regular season.

Then again, Wyoming needs to lose more so the AD doesn't get the silly notion of hiring the interim coach as the real coach for next year. So I don't want them getting into the MWC tourney and doing like they did a few years back against SDSU almost winning the whole thing.

Of course, he'll probably still screw up the hire. But I have to remain hopeful...

[MacroGuru]

Ok...I have been traveling and haven't voiced my opinion on the Davies thing.

First off, I am inactive LDS if anyone doesn't know this already and a true blue cougar fan.

The Honor Code at BYU is stringent and used as a recruiting tool more often than not. Bronco uses it big time for football.

Each athlete knows what they are getting into when they come to BYU. Abide by the rules or your gone, pure and simple and to the point. Do I hate the fact it is like this. Absolutely not, it brings about a no nonsense attitude from the program and the players and I personally feel it brings about a sense of more responsibility and maturity about it.

As for those of you lashing out at the religious aspect of this, guess what, it's a private religious university that calls their own shots and stands by it regardless of what it does to the team. I admire that.

The firestorm that happened from this is because of where BYU is at nationally if they weren't ranked and hanging at the bottom, this is a non story.

[wade moore]

Headed to the CAA Tourney later today. W&M is the 11 seed (ugh, rebuilding year) facing the #6 seed JMU.

Win or lose i'll go to at least the 4 games Friday and 4 games Saturday, we'll see about Sunday or Monday.

[MJ4H]

More smoke on the game being over for Pelphrey. Lots of people saying he told his assistants that it is all over last night.

[LloydLungs]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Win or lose i'll go to at least the 4 games Friday and 4 games Saturday, we'll see about Sunday or Monday.

Incredibly jealous. Although baseball is my favorite sport, there is probably nothing more fun to do as a spectator than four-game days in college basketball conference tournaments. Especially smaller ones where the settings are a little more intimate. Since my school (UNO) is a level-dropping failure, I'll probably never get to do it again, but in 2002 I attended every single game of the Sun Belt tourney in New Orleans.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by LloydLungs

Incredibly jealous. Although baseball is my favorite sport, there is probably nothing more fun to do as a spectator than four-game days in college basketball conference tournaments. Especially smaller ones where the settings are a little more intimate. Since my school (UNO) is a level-dropping failure, I'll probably never get to do it again, but in 2002 I attended every single game of the Sun Belt tourney in New Orleans.

I never got to see a Sun Belt tourney live, and with UNO being what it is now, I no longer have a reason to.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Seton Hall gives St. John's a dose of their own medicine in the upset tonight.

That's good news for Syracuse, who now sneak into a top-4 seed and a double-bye in the Big East tournament if they can beat DePaul at home (though DePaul has given them a lot of trouble the last few years.) It's been a good ending for the Syracuse season, getting road wins at Villanova and Georgetown.

[digamma]

The task is simple for the Crimson. Sweep the weekend, starting with Penn tonight.

[Butter]

I know this is not a Women's basketball thread, but thought I would throw this story in.

Dayton player's career consists of one special basket


Associated Press



DAYTON, Ohio — Ebony Gainey didn't read anything into the text. Dayton's director of basketball operations wanted to see her after class. Probably had some errand for her to run.

Happens a lot.

The 6-foot forward is used to it. She was one of the school's top recruits in 2007, an all-Ohio player with a quick first step and a soft left-hand shot. A heart condition prevented her from ever getting into a game. The school kept her on scholarship for four years as an assistant.

Make copies. Help with practice. Travel to games. Encourage teammates. That was her job.

"You name it, I try to help," she said. "Whatever the coaches need."

With the Flyers' final home game — the one honoring Gainey and the other seniors — a few days away, she figured the text message involved preparations. She walked into the athletic offices and was surprised to see coach Jim Jabir and the rest of the staff waiting for her, all of them grinning.

Uh-oh.

"At this point it's like, 'What did I do?'" Gainey said.

It wasn't about anything she did wrong. It was about something she'd ached to do but never got the chance.

She was going to play.

"Coach Jabir finally told me, 'We want you to start and we want to draw something up for you to get you a bucket,'" Gainey said. "And my mouth just dropped. When we got out of the room, I just bawled. Honestly, I never thought it would happen."

She'd waited nearly four years for this one shot.

The small forward expected to score a lot of points when she accepted a scholarship to Dayton. She was rated one of the nation's top prep players at Dayton Meadowdale, averaging 11.6 points, 10.5 rebounds. 7.7 assists and 4.5 blocks as a senior. Jabir spent a lot of time selling her on her hometown university.

"She was quick and could get to the rim on anyone," said Jabir, now in his eighth season at Dayton. "She was slight, but really smooth. I loved watching her play. I thought she was going to be a great player."

On July 7, 2007, Gainey was getting ready to start her freshman season. Her oldest sister, Kenyattia, was home for the summer from Ohio State. She wasn't getting out of bed that morning. Something was wrong. Ebony and another sister shook her.

Kenyattia had died of a heart attack that came without warning.

"It hit me hard," Gainey said. "It was definitely hard to put into perspective what happened, how it happened, why it happened."

Jabir was on the road recruiting when he heard the news. He came back to Dayton and attended the funeral. The 48-year-old coach had been diagnosed with a heart condition a few years earlier.

"It was personal for me," he said. "Not only my relationship with Ebony and her mom, but my own situation. I'd been sick for three years at that time. It hit me pretty hard."

Basketball helped Gainey work through her grief. Three months later, she was practicing with the Flyers, getting ready for the season, when she had trouble breathing and mild chest pains. She figured it was her body getting used to the rigorous conditioning.

Gainey was sent for medical tests. An EKG came back good. So did a special EKG. She did fine on a stress test. The cardiologist ordered an MRI as a final check. When that result was back, he called her into his office. Gainey assumed she was going to be cleared to practice.

What she heard was surreal.

"It's not all clear, but I do remember bits and pieces of it," she said. "I remember him telling me I wasn't going to be able to play. A part of me just kind of sat there in shock. I didn't want to believe it."

The MRI found some scar tissue and enlargement in the heart. Moderate activity was all right. Playing competitive basketball was far too risky.

Her career was over.

Jabir wanted to keep her on scholarship for four years, a generous offer from someone who understood better than most what Gainey was handling.

"I was intent on fighting for it if I had to, but the administration didn't think twice," he said. "It wasn't even a two-minute conversation. They didn't need persuading. We were all on board."

At first, it was difficult for Gainey to be so close to the game when she couldn't play it.

"It definitely was hard," she said. "You sit on the sideline and you see your teammate miss a shot and you say, 'Aw, I could have hit that shot,' certain things like that. You go through scenarios in your head, thinking, 'What could this be like if this was me?' As time goes on, I kind of embraced my role in a different way, to be more a part of the team now in the way I can be instead of the way I want to be."

Occasionally, she picks up a ball and shoots after practice, remembering that sweet feeling when the ball slips through the net. Nothing like it.

"It feels good to know you can still hit a jump shot," she said.

Jabir wanted more for her. He came up with the idea of getting her into the final home game long enough to take a shot. He would run a play that got her the ball on the left wing and provided a teammate as a screen, leaving her a path to the basket.

"I didn't want to embarrass her," he said. "I wanted it to be dignified because she has so much dignity."

Last Saturday, Gainey suited up in her No. 13 jersey — the one she wore during practice as a freshman — got introduced as a starter and was on the floor for the tipoff.

With a cluster of teary family and friends in the stands, she got the ball as planned, headed for the hoop, lost her grip and missed.

She went down the court to play defense. The Flyers got the ball back and set up the same play. Gainey got the pass, got the screen, beat the defender and put up a soft shot with her left hand that banked off the backboard and slipped through the net.
What a moment.

"Magic!" is how Jabir described it.

At the first dead ball, Jabir got her out of the game. The crowd erupted.

"I could just see the joy in her face," said her mother, Juanita. "Although everything that's transpired was not great, that was as sweet as it could possibly be."

The clock read 18:02 when Gainey sat down on the bench and caught her breath.

"My lungs were burning, but I felt great," she said. "Best two minutes of my life."


Read more: Dayton player's career consists of one special basket - - Sporting News

The link also has video of Gainey's introduction and her basket.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looking forward to the Border War game tomorrow. There are few things as disgusting as a beaker. Would love to see the boys throw a good thumping on them and send them back to Lawrence with only a share of the conference title (assuming Texas doesn't continue to piss down their leg at Baylor).

[MJ4H]

So, innocent question, what do you guys know about Frank Martin from KSU?

[DataKing]

Say what you will about Frank, the guy certainly is entertaining to watch during a game. I swear, one of these days his eyes will actually pop out of his skull...

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

So, innocent question, what do you guys know about Frank Martin from KSU?

On the court, Frank Martin is a very passionate and fiery personality. This can alienate his players at times especially if they aren't used to such in your face coaching. Off the court, he's probably one of the classiest coaches in the Big 12. He's a great radio interview who almost always tells you like it is when he can. I personally love listening to him.

When it comes to basketball, Frank's teams play a very tough, physical brand of defense. The offense can leave a lot to be desired though I don't know if that's because of the lack talent or coaching. The other down side to Frank is recruiting. He's landed some talented players in his time, but most of those players were due to assistant coach Dalonte Hill and a number of those guys never panned out. His two best players minus Michael Beasley were his recruits though (Clemente and Pullen).

I think he's a good coach which is a far cry from what I thought when KSU first hired him. I don't know that he's ready for a higher profile job just yet though. Though a school that is easier to recruit to would definitely help.

[MJ4H]

Thanks for that. I knew zero about him.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by LloydLungs

Incredibly jealous. Although baseball is my favorite sport, there is probably nothing more fun to do as a spectator than four-game days in college basketball conference tournaments. Especially smaller ones where the settings are a little more intimate. Since my school (UNO) is a level-dropping failure, I'll probably never get to do it again, but in 2002 I attended every single game of the Sun Belt tourney in New Orleans.

Day 1 was a blast as usual. The CAA is a great league because the top of the league is actually very good and we may get 2, or by luck 3 teams into the tourney - some who make noise. But even the bottom of the conference has some very good players.

Watched 3 great games and the #11 W&M vs. #6 JMU.

Our best player, Quinn McDowell, is possessed by some sort of basketball god. He scores 35 (a CAA Tournament Record) and we win 71-68.

Amazing.

So, we're playing on house money today. I get to watch 3 games with no stress knowing that we play in the 4th game against #3 Hofstra.

I love College Basketball .