Obama versus McCain (versus the rest) - Page 218

JPhillips · 11-10-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Wow, there's really an effort for the government to take over 401Ks? Are the democrats trying to completely destroy the economy? I'm hoping this is some kind of joke..

Apparently this comes from subcommittee testimony and possibly McDermott and Miller are looking at it. I don't make many predictions, but I guarantee this will never happen.

I should also add that the plan suggested wouldn't take any 401k money, but would eliminate the tax break for IRA contributions and require a mandatory contribution from Americans for a government run retirement account.

Flasch186 · 11-10-2008, 07:57 PM

wont happen, red herring.

SFL Cat · 11-10-2008, 08:01 PM

In the words of Dubyah "Read My Lips" Senior, never say never.

hxxp://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php

Flasch186 · 11-10-2008, 08:06 PM

lots of shit is talked about in the halls of congress and in meetings and id say less than 20% ever comes to fruition...this would get hardly enough support to be even talked about in a substantial way. wont happen..

JPhillips · 11-10-2008, 08:14 PM

Lets at least wait until there's a bill before freaking out.

SFL Cat · 11-10-2008, 08:15 PM

We've already taken significant steps toward nationalizing the mortgage and banking industries...under a Republican administration, no less...what's so far-fetched about the Democrats, who now control everything, making a grab at one of the last great bastions of untapped cash? Especially considering we now have about 3 trillion in new debt.

Flasch186 · 11-10-2008, 08:17 PM

or a gop congress running up a deficit in stark contrast to their platform....I see where youre going that anything is possible. ok. We should still wait until we're actually talking about anything other than vapor, right?

Buccaneer · 11-10-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

or a gop congress running up a deficit in stark contrast to their platform....I see where youre going that anything is possible. ok. We should still wait until we're actually talking about anything other than vapor, right?

But by then, it could be too late (speaking generically about onerous bills). If hypothetical vapor bills like this or the Fairness Doctrine ever comes up, are you absolutely sure it won't pass because there will be outrage from both sides? Obama may be against such bills, but Presidents sign bad bills all the time because it will be politically expedient to do so (i.e., I'll sign this if you pass this).

DaddyTorgo · 11-10-2008, 08:26 PM

you guys should really stop feeding the troll (SFL Cat)

lungs · 11-10-2008, 08:29 PM

It won't matter anyway once Obama sets up his dictatorship.....

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...BlHOwD94CCDU00

Flasch186 · 11-10-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

But by then, it could be too late (speaking generically about onerous bills). If hypothetical vapor bills like this or the Fairness Doctrine ever comes up, are you absolutely sure it won't pass because there will be outrage from both sides? Obama may be against such bills, but Presidents sign bad bills all the time because it will be politically expedient to do so (i.e., I'll sign this if you pass this).

all im saying is, as worded above, 'take 401k, make it mandatory, dump it into gov't run retirement (sic), penalize private IRA's' wont sell. Now tweak it, change it, add some gravy, remove some ligaments, call it the 'Katrina vs. Iraq retirement protection against drilling while coal, clean, nuclear works bill' and they can try to sell it...but on it's own it's IMO, a red herring for some on the right to cry foul and scream, "See! we told you!"....nothing's happened yet to have anyone judging anyone post election, good or bad.

DaddyTorgo · 11-10-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs

It won't matter anyway once Obama sets up his dictatorship.....

The Associated Press: Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship

lol Obama's been Godwin-ed

JPhillips · 11-10-2008, 08:47 PM

I find it troubling that Obama is getting a puppy. Isn't that exactly what Napoleon did to terrify all the other farm animals?

sterlingice · 11-10-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I find it troubling that Obama is getting a puppy. Isn't that exactly what Napoleon did to terrify all the other farm animals?

Gold

SI

cartman · 11-10-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I find it troubling that Obama is getting a puppy. Isn't that exactly what Napoleon did to terrify all the other farm animals?

Hey, don't Geauxdwin this thread!

GrantDawg · 11-11-2008, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I find it troubling that Obama is getting a puppy. Isn't that exactly what Napoleon did to terrify all the other farm animals?

You know who else liked puppies?

KWhit · 11-11-2008, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

It won't matter anyway once Obama sets up his dictatorship.....

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...BlHOwD94CCDU00

That is unbelievable.

And this is a Congressman who said those things?

Sigh.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-11-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

You know who else liked puppies?

Jerry "The King" Lawler

JonInMiddleGA · 11-11-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

And this is a Congressman who said those things?

Although I'm pretty sure you'd realize it if you thought about the district, for the benefit of those unfamiliar with the layout of our congressional districts here in Georgia ... that's not just any Congressman, that happens to be my Congressman.

miked · 11-11-2008, 09:04 AM

Maybe he'll be a candidate for Purdue's vacancy. You already mentioned the congressman who called the Obama's uppity and then gave an embarrassing interview on the Colbert Report. Then again, most Georgians probably can't even spell Colbert Report. Just say the blacks and libs are gonna change yer flag and you get in.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-11-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by miked

Maybe he'll be a candidate for Purdue's vacancy.

Nah, Broun doesn't seem interested in being governor. Besides, we need him in Washington worse than anywhere else at the moment (not exactly like we have the votes to spare there right now).

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Then again, most Georgians probably can't even spell Colbert Report.

At least the majority of Georgians were smart enough not to vote for Obama.

Chubby · 11-11-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

At least the majority of Georgians were smart enough not to vote for Obama.

They like their country ass backwards, this should be obvious to all.

molson · 11-11-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

That is unbelievable.

And this is a Congressman who said those things?

Sigh.

Bush was quite often compared to Hitler.

(Yes, including by at least one Congressman: FOXNews.com - In Meeting With Atheists, Rep. Ellison Compares President Bush to Hitler - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum)

I think that's just our political climate now.

With Obama it's bigger news though, and I'm sure, more "unbelievable".

Buccaneer · 11-11-2008, 10:55 AM

molson, no fair bringing up something that happened before 2008. You do realize that history does not exist?

lungs · 11-11-2008, 11:50 AM

For the record, I brought up Broun's comments because I find them pretty darn amusing. Not unbelievable at all. Also not much different than what the other side has done to Bush.

I think it's actually good to have people like that in congress, so people like Jon can have representation

(And I wasn't surprised at all to learn that this guy is Jon's congressman... he represents the district well I assume)

lungs · 11-11-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

Bush was quite often compared to Hitler.

(Yes, including by at least one Congressman: FOXNews.com - In Meeting With Atheists, Rep. Ellison Compares President Bush to Hitler - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum)

I think that's just our political climate now.

With Obama it's bigger news though, and I'm sure, more "unbelievable".

Didn't bother clicking the link, but I assume that was Keith Ellison? What is he doing meeting with Atheists? Isn't he busy trying to institute Sharia Law as the only Muslim congressman?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 11-12-2008, 07:51 AM

So, Lindsey Lohan mentioned how excited she was to 'have the first colored president'? That's fabulous on so many levels for all the wrong reasons.

lighthousekeeper · 11-12-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

So, Lindsey Lohan mentioned how excited she was to 'have the first colored president'? That's fabulous on so many levels for all the wrong reasons.

don't get it

ISiddiqui · 11-12-2008, 08:33 AM

"colored" is not the preferred nominclature.

Honolulu_Blue · 11-12-2008, 08:56 AM

I didn't know Obama was a comic book fan. That's pretty sweet. He's one of us!
Obama Collects Comics? 50 Things You Might Not Know About The President-Elect

• He collects Spider-Man and Conan the Barbarian comics
• He was known as "O'Bomber" at high school for his skill at basketball
• His name means "one who is blessed" in Swahili
• His favourite meal is wife Michelle's shrimp linguini
• He won a Grammy in 2006 for the audio version of his memoir, Dreams From My Father
• He is left-handed -- the sixth post-war president to be left-handed
• He has read every Harry Potter book
• He owns a set of red boxing gloves autographed by Muhammad Ali
• He worked in a Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop as a teenager and now can't stand ice cream

Honolulu_Blue · 11-12-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Although I'm pretty sure you'd realize it if you thought about the district, for the benefit of those unfamiliar with the layout of our congressional districts here in Georgia ... that's not just any Congressman, that happens to be my Congressman.

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

At least the majority of Georgians were smart enough not to vote for Obama.

Paging Major General Sherman.

Paging Major General William Tecumseh Sherman to the Information Desk, please.

ISiddiqui · 11-12-2008, 05:28 PM

Why is it when Bush is about to leave office that he becomes a gracious and classy person to his Democratic rivals? All that I've read seems to indicate that Bush has been more than open and welcoming to Obama; informing his advisers about the national security threats very early in the process, months prior to the election and now a mere week after the election has him to the WH. I just read that he invited Obama to a G-20 summit, which Obama declined (but sent a team) because he said there should only be one President at it.

So, what's with this bipartisanship?! It can't just be because of legacy (in that case, he'd be friendly to the other side 2 years ago).

JonInMiddleGA · 11-12-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So, what's with this bipartisanship?! It can't just be because of legacy (in that case, he'd be friendly to the other side 2 years ago).

I imagine he's tired & ready to go home. Easier to hand over anything & everything than to worry about it any more.

ISiddiqui · 11-12-2008, 05:32 PM

With all his vacations you'd assume he was well rested

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Tigercat · 11-12-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Why is it when Bush is about to leave office that he becomes a gracious and classy person to his Democratic rivals? All that I've read seems to indicate that Bush has been more than open and welcoming to Obama; informing his advisers about the national security threats very early in the process, months prior to the election and now a mere week after the election has him to the WH. I just read that he invited Obama to a G-20 summit, which Obama declined (but sent a team) because he said there should only be one President at it.

So, what's with this bipartisanship?! It can't just be because of legacy (in that case, he'd be friendly to the other side 2 years ago).

I think HW and W Bush are/were good guys at heart that were capable of more bipartisanship than they ever showed, they were both surrounded(HW going back to Nixon cronies and W with Rove ect) by Republicans that were all about unilaterral thinking and bloody politics.

ISiddiqui · 11-12-2008, 05:36 PM

I can see that (I always thought of W as a decent person, but a crap President), but in the end, they chose to surround themselves with those people and W picked to follow Cheney/Rumsfeld rather than Powell/Rice.

GrantDawg · 11-12-2008, 05:41 PM

Also, every out-going President does this. There is no reason to bitter at the new guy. It just creates bad press, and maybe slows down your Library donations (which is what most out-going Presidents are obsessed about).

ISiddiqui · 11-12-2008, 05:44 PM

Well, when a President has acted so bitter towards the opposition during his term, this seems rare.

And it isn't just what every outgoing President does. Bush has seemingly gone above and beyond the call of duty by trying to do it as early as possible to make the transition as smooth as it could possibly be.

Subby · 11-12-2008, 05:55 PM

President Bush mentioned that President Clinton was very welcoming and gracious during the transition in '99-'00. I think it made an impression.

GrantDawg · 11-12-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

President Bush mentioned that President Clinton was very welcoming and gracious during the transition in '99-'00. I think it made an impression.

What he said. Bush Sr was actually very nice to Clinton, Jimmy Carter had a reception for Reagan, etc, etc. It really isn't unusual at all.

ISiddiqui · 11-12-2008, 06:05 PM

Opening the gates this early, OTOH, is. Also inviting the President-elect to international summits. Not even mentioning inviting Obama's team in prior to the election to brief them just in case Obama won.

molson · 11-12-2008, 06:10 PM

It'd be pretty hilarious and insane if an out-going president wasn't gracious.

ISiddiqui · 11-12-2008, 06:28 PM

And more info that seems to indicate that the "Palin doesn't know Africa was a continent" crap is likely to be a complete hoax:

A Fake Expert and a Phony Think Tank Fool Bloggers and the Mainstream News Media - NYTimes.com

JonInMiddleGA · 11-12-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

And more info that seems to indicate that the "Palin doesn't know Africa was a continent" crap is likely to be a complete hoax:

A Fake Expert and a Phony Think Tank Fool Bloggers and the Mainstream News Media - NYTimes.com

Interesting snippet from the NYT piece "But the truth was out for all to see long before the big-name take-downs. For months sourcewatch.org has identified Martin Eisenstadt as a hoax. "

Bet "sourcewatch" feels real useful right about now.

adubroff · 11-12-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Opening the gates this early, OTOH, is. Also inviting the President-elect to international summits. Not even mentioning inviting Obama's team in prior to the election to brief them just in case Obama won.

Bush is as excited as anyone to have somebody competent in the job.

DaddyTorgo · 11-12-2008, 07:53 PM

re: bush being classy - I also think it's a result of the "fraternity of the presidency" if you want to call it that. namely that it's a very select group and it's got to be a huge emotional burden and there's only a few people alive at the time who know what a demanding position it is, so once somebody else has been chosen by the people to join the fraternity it's almost viewed as the last + most important duty to prepare your successor

ISiddiqui · 11-12-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Bet "sourcewatch" feels real useful right about now.

LOL, but a lot of hits for this now... especially from MSNBC and TNR... and maybe Carl Cameron

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JPhillips · 11-12-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Why is it when Bush is about to leave office that he becomes a gracious and classy person to his Democratic rivals? All that I've read seems to indicate that Bush has been more than open and welcoming to Obama; informing his advisers about the national security threats very early in the process, months prior to the election and now a mere week after the election has him to the WH. I just read that he invited Obama to a G-20 summit, which Obama declined (but sent a team) because he said there should only be one President at it.

So, what's with this bipartisanship?! It can't just be because of legacy (in that case, he'd be friendly to the other side 2 years ago).

I think it's a lot easier to be gracious after your second term. Losing and then being gracious ala Bush1 or Carter seems much more difficult.

Tigercat · 11-12-2008, 08:53 PM

And it should be said that while Presidents may appear and act gracious to their successors, often staffs don't act the same way. There have been stories about the way the Ford staff and the Clinton staff acted in their final days that were not so flattering.

Mac Howard · 11-13-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I imagine he's tired & ready to go home. Easier to hand over anything & everything than to worry about it any more.

One of the CNN programs had a picture of Bush and Obama and asked for contibutions as to what Bush was saying. I liked:

"When can you start?"

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11-10-2008, 07:57 PM	#10852
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	wont happen, red herring. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

11-10-2008, 08:06 PM	#10854
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	lots of shit is talked about in the halls of congress and in meetings and id say less than 20% ever comes to fruition...this would get hardly enough support to be even talked about in a substantial way. wont happen.. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

11-10-2008, 08:14 PM	#10855
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Lets at least wait until there's a bill before freaking out. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

11-10-2008, 08:15 PM	#10856
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	We've already taken significant steps toward nationalizing the mortgage and banking industries...under a Republican administration, no less...what's so far-fetched about the Democrats, who now control everything, making a grab at one of the last great bastions of untapped cash? Especially considering we now have about 3 trillion in new debt. Last edited by SFL Cat : 11-10-2008 at 08:16 PM.

11-10-2008, 08:01 PM	#10853
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	In the words of Dubyah "Read My Lips" Senior, never say never. hxxp://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php

11-10-2008, 08:17 PM	#10857
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	or a gop congress running up a deficit in stark contrast to their platform....I see where youre going that anything is possible. ok. We should still wait until we're actually talking about anything other than vapor, right? __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

11-10-2008, 08:26 PM	#10859
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	you guys should really stop feeding the troll (SFL Cat)

11-10-2008, 08:29 PM	#10860
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	It won't matter anyway once Obama sets up his dictatorship..... http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...BlHOwD94CCDU00

11-10-2008, 08:47 PM	#10863
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I find it troubling that Obama is getting a puppy. Isn't that exactly what Napoleon did to terrify all the other farm animals? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

11-11-2008, 09:04 AM	#10870
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Maybe he'll be a candidate for Purdue's vacancy. You already mentioned the congressman who called the Obama's uppity and then gave an embarrassing interview on the Colbert Report. Then again, most Georgians probably can't even spell Colbert Report. Just say the blacks and libs are gonna change yer flag and you get in. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

11-11-2008, 10:55 AM	#10874
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	molson, no fair bringing up something that happened before 2008. You do realize that history does not exist?

11-11-2008, 11:50 AM	#10875
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	For the record, I brought up Broun's comments because I find them pretty darn amusing. Not unbelievable at all. Also not much different than what the other side has done to Bush. I think it's actually good to have people like that in congress, so people like Jon can have representation (And I wasn't surprised at all to learn that this guy is Jon's congressman... he represents the district well I assume)

11-12-2008, 07:51 AM	#10877
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	So, Lindsey Lohan mentioned how excited she was to 'have the first colored president'? That's fabulous on so many levels for all the wrong reasons.

11-12-2008, 08:33 AM	#10879
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	"colored" is not the preferred nominclature. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-12-2008, 08:56 AM	#10880
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	I didn't know Obama was a comic book fan. That's pretty sweet. He's one of us! Obama Collects Comics? 50 Things You Might Not Know About The President-Elect • He collects Spider-Man and Conan the Barbarian comics • He was known as "O'Bomber" at high school for his skill at basketball • His name means "one who is blessed" in Swahili • His favourite meal is wife Michelle's shrimp linguini • He won a Grammy in 2006 for the audio version of his memoir, Dreams From My Father • He is left-handed -- the sixth post-war president to be left-handed • He has read every Harry Potter book • He owns a set of red boxing gloves autographed by Muhammad Ali • He worked in a Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop as a teenager and now can't stand ice cream __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

11-12-2008, 05:28 PM	#10882
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Why is it when Bush is about to leave office that he becomes a gracious and classy person to his Democratic rivals? All that I've read seems to indicate that Bush has been more than open and welcoming to Obama; informing his advisers about the national security threats very early in the process, months prior to the election and now a mere week after the election has him to the WH. I just read that he invited Obama to a G-20 summit, which Obama declined (but sent a team) because he said there should only be one President at it. So, what's with this bipartisanship?! It can't just be because of legacy (in that case, he'd be friendly to the other side 2 years ago). __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-12-2008, 05:32 PM	#10884
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	With all his vacations you'd assume he was well rested . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-12-2008, 05:36 PM	#10886
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I can see that (I always thought of W as a decent person, but a crap President), but in the end, they chose to surround themselves with those people and W picked to follow Cheney/Rumsfeld rather than Powell/Rice. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-12-2008, 05:41 PM	#10887
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Also, every out-going President does this. There is no reason to bitter at the new guy. It just creates bad press, and maybe slows down your Library donations (which is what most out-going Presidents are obsessed about).

11-12-2008, 05:44 PM	#10888
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Well, when a President has acted so bitter towards the opposition during his term, this seems rare. And it isn't just what every outgoing President does. Bush has seemingly gone above and beyond the call of duty by trying to do it as early as possible to make the transition as smooth as it could possibly be. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

11-12-2008, 05:55 PM	#10889
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	President Bush mentioned that President Clinton was very welcoming and gracious during the transition in '99-'00. I think it made an impression. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

11-12-2008, 06:05 PM	#10891
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Opening the gates this early, OTOH, is. Also inviting the President-elect to international summits. Not even mentioning inviting Obama's team in prior to the election to brief them just in case Obama won. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams Last edited by ISiddiqui : 11-12-2008 at 06:05 PM.

11-12-2008, 06:10 PM	#10892
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It'd be pretty hilarious and insane if an out-going president wasn't gracious.

11-12-2008, 06:28 PM	#10893
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	And more info that seems to indicate that the "Palin doesn't know Africa was a continent" crap is likely to be a complete hoax: A Fake Expert and a Phony Think Tank Fool Bloggers and the Mainstream News Media - NYTimes.com __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams Last edited by ISiddiqui : 11-12-2008 at 07:19 PM.

11-12-2008, 07:53 PM	#10896
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	re: bush being classy - I also think it's a result of the "fraternity of the presidency" if you want to call it that. namely that it's a very select group and it's got to be a huge emotional burden and there's only a few people alive at the time who know what a demanding position it is, so once somebody else has been chosen by the people to join the fraternity it's almost viewed as the last + most important duty to prepare your successor

11-12-2008, 08:53 PM	#10899
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	And it should be said that while Presidents may appear and act gracious to their successors, often staffs don't act the same way. There have been stories about the way the Ford staff and the Clinton staff acted in their final days that were not so flattering.

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