04-30-2009, 12:10 PM | #1051 | |
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Based on what he said it sounds like he didn't read the posts in between, so you're trying to call him out on something he's not lying about? As has been said though lets get back on track. Work on Oratory seems fitting since I've been running my mouth all morning. |
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04-30-2009, 12:11 PM | #1052 | |
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Actually, not at all you PB. |
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04-30-2009, 12:12 PM | #1053 |
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04-30-2009, 12:13 PM | #1054 | |
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No. If we had four extra units on food, they would need two poeple to fake it. Yes, AS I SAID, they could fake on the other two jobs, but that would narrow our targets down to 1/2 in Organizing (since two were specialists and two not), or 1/2 in Patrol. These are the ACTUAL numbers, and the actual facts. You can throw around random estimated things all you want but the truth is, not knowing they could arrest, we could have: 1. Had a 1/2 chance of Ousting a Sympathizer. 2. Or forced the Sympathizers to fake twice in food, including two speicalists, or fake three times, one specialist and two others. Disagree about what the right call is all you want, but these are the actual numbers. |
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04-30-2009, 12:14 PM | #1055 |
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04-30-2009, 12:14 PM | #1056 |
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Thanks. I'll get in my order when that gets posted. As for voting, I don't know. I'm tempted to go with RendeR or Poli just by the likelihood that one of us is a wolf, but I don't think that's necessarily true. Danny's play has struck me a little oddly this game, I'm gonna go back and review what he's been saying. |
04-30-2009, 12:15 PM | #1057 | |
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Must have been me? Anyway, since it's been a while, here's my answer to Autumn's question (which no one else answered, except maybe RendeR): Quote:
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04-30-2009, 12:15 PM | #1058 |
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Good golly. I'm suddenly reminded of why I took a break from WW. This bickering over minor points is just maddening to read.
The funny part is, I was all set to drop a vote on Pass for his needless interrogation of Poli. That was until Mr. Poli pulled the "Im takin' my ball and goin' home" bit, which I really really can't stand. Blargh. One would hope that as reward for having to read that nonsense I'd at least get an easy voting choice. |
04-30-2009, 12:16 PM | #1059 | |
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Yes it was you. And while I know your general tactic is to interrogate someone over and over hoping to catch them in a lie (one you've attempted on me before in past games), I think this was a bit over-the-top there my man. |
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04-30-2009, 12:17 PM | #1060 |
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Gladhanding: dubbx3, clapx3, jeheinzx3 9/8
Oratory: Purduex3, Daddyx3, Autumn, Render 8/8 Treasury: Barkeepx3, EagleFan, USFL 5/8 Organization: ntndeaconx3, Poli 4/8 |
04-30-2009, 12:18 PM | #1061 |
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So, I think we have 7 more laborers to commit work still. If Schmidty shows up, that gives us three extra hours to put somewhere.
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04-30-2009, 12:18 PM | #1062 |
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I really think it's a big case of MMQB to go back and blame all the mission-goers after the fact. In hindsight, was their action ideal? Probably not.
But facts are we missed the camp because they arrested EF, not because we were short people. If we had missed the camp because of faked work, then honestly I wouldn't have been all that sad as we'd at least have a list of candidates to work from for today. Obviously, given the fact that the wolves likely deemed it more valuable to arrest EF and (possibly) forgo a night kill just to avoid having to fake said work, means we likely had it set up as ideally as possible. |
04-30-2009, 12:19 PM | #1063 |
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Hence
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04-30-2009, 12:19 PM | #1064 |
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I'll work on organization for now, but I can switch if Schmidty shows up and makes it different.
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04-30-2009, 12:21 PM | #1065 |
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Oh and as for the length of my break, this is my first game since sometime last fall.
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04-30-2009, 12:21 PM | #1066 | |
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I think I know the game you're talking about. Anyway, if it's any consolation, I used the same tactic with RendeR last night. I don't think either of these 'interrogations' were hoping to catch one of them in a lie, but it was to get a better handle on their motivations. I was pretty sure that neither of them would have actually switched if they had showed up before the mission deadline, so I was just trying to get a handle on why they said that. |
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04-30-2009, 12:23 PM | #1067 | |
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And I understand that...to an extent. It just seemed that in doing so you've taken a somewhat minor point in the giant scale of things and made it the talk-of-the-day. I'd debate that said point didn't deserve to be anywhere near the forefront. |
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04-30-2009, 12:23 PM | #1068 | |
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I agree. I guess this is the point I was trying to make with my 'interrogations' -- a point which I probably lost somewhere along the line. |
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04-30-2009, 12:24 PM | #1069 |
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Let me know if I missed a vote in my page scanning.
PB 1 (EF 914) Poli 1 (Pass 991) Pass 1 (Poli 998) Autumn 1 (heinz 1063) |
04-30-2009, 12:25 PM | #1070 | |
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The reason I'm focusing on the mission people is not because we failed, but because it was in the wolves' best interest to have at least two people go on the mission. It's the only angle I've found so far to work on. I agree that it may mean nothing. They may have simply waited and taken advantage of the fact that some went on the mission. With the arrest they had some flexibility as they could arrest without the danger of faking. I've stated often that I'd like to hear other reasons to suspect someone. I haven't really heard anything. What reason do you have to vote for me? Simply because I'm talking a lot? |
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04-30-2009, 12:26 PM | #1071 |
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04-30-2009, 12:26 PM | #1072 |
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04-30-2009, 12:27 PM | #1073 | |
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I can understand that -- I'm in the thread more than most, so the stuff I say can get that feel, especially if someone is around to go back-and-forth with me on it. I think a lot of it has to do with who I was talking to in this case -- I asked RendeR the same questions last night, and was satisfied pretty quickly. So...what should be near the forefront? I don't think it's the camps, because everyone will just put their work in where needed, and we'll be done (unless there's something else you think we can arrange there?). Maybe your vote for Autumn? You said "Hence...vote Autumn" but I don't really see how that follows from what you said in the previous post. |
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04-30-2009, 12:30 PM | #1074 | |
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Can you give me a quick-and-dirty recap of why you think the bolded is the case? Because frankly, I could make a pretty plausible case that 0 wolves went on the mission yesterday, given the course of the day's events. My vote for you is because A) Yes, you're talking a lot. I've always been of the ilk that there is a vocal wolf in play early in games. B) You seem pretty intent on focusing the discussion to that set of 5 people while I could certainly see a case where that is a wolf looking to aim people towards a subset of villagers only to come back with the ol "look like we picked the wrong one!" after the fact. I mean PB goes on the mission, is told not to, obliges, and this is his fault? Ditto Henry. While I'll stop far short of saying they are for sure villagers of course, it seems to me they were pretty obliging in aiming to do what's best for the village regardless of their potentially erroneous initial read on the plan for the day. |
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04-30-2009, 12:32 PM | #1075 | |
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some Lathuming going on here. |
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04-30-2009, 12:32 PM | #1076 | |
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You can thank me for taking your spot under the Pass's bright light later Poli. Sure, I just posted why I voted for Autumn. It was down to him or you. I chose him over you b/c I'm more familiar with your gameplay and I've seen you do this stuff as a villager before too. Plus he actually posted that he's considering a list of 5 people based on a presumption that I don't necessarily agree with. |
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04-30-2009, 12:38 PM | #1077 | |
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Very quick and dirty: With two people on the mission, we were left vulnerable to one speicalist faking or being arrested in any one of the three fields. The more people on the mission, the easier it was for the wolves to sabotage, or not even have to if we sent too many. The only reason I'm focusing on the mission people is that several of them seemed reluctant to shift off despite our worries that we would not have the numbers (remember we were not sure if Schmidty was an organizer until very, very late). There was a good chance that we would not even be able to cover the basic jobs right up until mission deadline and yet at one point we had four people on the mission and either not wanting to shift off, or not available. Thst was a very bad situation. I included PurdueBrad just because someone brought him up this morning as a suspect. I would rank him last out of those five. I've just included everyone for benefit of analysis. I'm trying to offer something for the village to discuss. And of course as usual that makes me a target. I'll say again I'M VERY HAPPY TO DISCUSS OTHER SUSPECTS IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CONTRIBUTE SOME. If I was a wolf I wouldn't be bothering doing all this discussion, since there is very little other discussion going on anyway. You can vote for me if you want, but I'm going to keep trying to find someone to vote for. I haven't found a target myself. I'm just digging. |
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04-30-2009, 12:39 PM | #1078 |
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04-30-2009, 12:40 PM | #1079 | |
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I am still catching up but IMO this is the kind of statement a wolf would make to justify going on the mission. |
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04-30-2009, 12:42 PM | #1080 |
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Oh, also I forgot to say that it seems unlikely the wolves would want to pass up a chance to go get an item. They would presumably have done their best to get at least one wolf on the mission if they could without raising suspicion.
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04-30-2009, 12:42 PM | #1081 |
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Since I've been away this reference is lost on me. |
04-30-2009, 12:42 PM | #1082 | |
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That's an interesting quote, Lathum -- I don't remember that at all. Since when did the mission guarantee victory in the camps? I thought that it was all the work we put in. |
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04-30-2009, 12:44 PM | #1083 | |
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I don't need any justification beyond the fact that I was a searcher by skill which meant I would have better success than others. Which I stated right from the get go. Trying to throw more suspicion my way? Why? |
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04-30-2009, 12:46 PM | #1084 | |
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From one of Abe's posts after the day 1 mission, the success in the camp had been guarenteed based on the success of the mission earlier in the day. Perhaps I'm misquoting it but thats the gist I got from it. |
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04-30-2009, 12:47 PM | #1085 |
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And I wasn't saying it was a given that it would happen again, I simply said if it could happen once it COULD happen again, hence we could NOT ignore the mission.
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04-30-2009, 12:47 PM | #1086 |
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Yeah, not sure what I was thinkin there. |
04-30-2009, 12:51 PM | #1087 | |
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Fair enough. I'm not changing, but may later if I get a better idea. I'd contend though that the wolf-thought-process you've put forth is accurate, we'll win the game. That would seem like a pretty bad plan on their part frankly. |
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04-30-2009, 12:56 PM | #1088 | |
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Ah, here's the post I think RendeR was talking about. I think when I read this, I was all fist-pumping about how I was right that Peter Urban would become an ally, and I thought that's what Abe was talking about -- "success" in making him an ally. I'm not sure what it changes about how I look at the day yesterday, but I'll have to think on it. Hmm, though -- is that part of why people have been on me as being too aggressively camp-focused? |
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04-30-2009, 12:57 PM | #1089 | |
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I like this reasoning!
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04-30-2009, 12:58 PM | #1090 |
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Heinz, can you help me out? I have this temptation to ask RendeR why he said he would have switched off the mission, if he felt that "part of my belief in the missions is the fact that this can happen again"
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04-30-2009, 12:58 PM | #1091 |
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I'm not saying you were aggessive because of your focus on the camp (I'm all-in on knocking out camps as well) but moreso on the Poli exchange
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04-30-2009, 12:59 PM | #1092 | |
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How do I help in this case? You want me to ask him so you don't look interrogative again? |
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04-30-2009, 01:00 PM | #1093 |
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04-30-2009, 01:01 PM | #1094 |
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04-30-2009, 01:04 PM | #1095 | |
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Here's something to bring to the forefront. This is a post by Danny early yesterday morning. I was hoping to hear from him first, but it's getting late in my work day, so we might as well start discussing it now. If we had taken his advice back then, we'd be in a lot better shape than we are now. Thoughts? |
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04-30-2009, 01:09 PM | #1096 | |
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I don't know if anyone was really on board with the idea that we should completely ignore the camp. We don't know how many if any wolves went on the searching mission, if anything having everyone go might've increased the chance for the wolves to get something, plus completely wrecked the camp. With the storylines and things that Abe is including, especially characters like Urban, I don't think abandoning camps is a good idea. It's kind of why I was suspicious of Danny, but I think he was just floating a plan. |
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04-30-2009, 01:09 PM | #1097 | |
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Please realize Pass, 90% of everything I said was based on hindsight. If I knew for a fact that prior to the mission we would need every single person to make the camp succeed I would then have forgone the mission in lieu of the camp. However as things happened I did not know that or believe it at the time, and in hindsight we have seen that even HAD we all worked on the camp we most likely would have failed anyway. SO I stand by my decision to search yesterday as it turned up something useful so the day wasn't a complete and total write off. |
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04-30-2009, 01:09 PM | #1098 |
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dola, i find it very hard to believe everyone would have gotten an item
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04-30-2009, 01:11 PM | #1099 | |
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My thought is, advocating his idea sounds great now that we failed the camp. Had we won the camp, some people probably would be voting for Danny for such a silly idea as to forgo trying for it at all. I'm not knocking his idea, but really, it looks a lot better now given yesterday's events which were caused by something we had no idea was even possible. |
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04-30-2009, 01:12 PM | #1100 | |
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I have to agree with this line of thought. |
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