Werewolf LXXIX - The Labyrinth (Game Over - Commoners Win!)

[DaddyTorgo]

Guys...I met Abe in the labyrinth. He sure as hell seemed good to me - he gave up the names of the other 2 raptors to me before they came out publicly as raptors and they matched up. I think Tyrith is a much better vote tonight.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Guys...I met Abe in the labyrinth. He sure as hell seemed good to me - he gave up the names of the other 2 raptors to me before they came out publicly as raptors and they matched up. I think Tyrith is a much better vote tonight.

DT, I'll take a chance here because it's an odd play if you're a wolf. Is Tyrith a better vote than no lynch?

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes, Tyrith is absolutely a better vote than a no lynch.

I'd rather see a no-lynch than a lynch of Abe, but I'd rather see a lynch of Tyrith than a no-lynch

Look at it this way if you want - if we lynch Tyrith and he is NOT a wolf then Abe can tell us who the other person he met was and that person will be a wolf.

[PurdueBrad]

unvote no lynch

vote Tyrith

Let's get a lynch then. If you're wrong then will have an interesting conversation and a bad loss but we need some info too.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I've met three peopel this game so far, and none have killed me, so they go up my COT - DT, teh dead PF, and a unnamed third. That's why I was surpirsed to find out PF was a wolf, but he wasnt I just read the thing wrong.

I'm not caught up yet, but I want to note that the rules don't say that running into an Ancient = death. The Ancients choose one from among them to make a kill at night, then they get to choose from whoever is in that section. So "meeting" them in this manner doesn't mean much in terms of Ancientness.

[Barkeep49]

Unvote Abe
Vote Tyrith

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

IIf anyone has a suggestion for an alternate route, let me know. I don;t automatically disbelieve Tyrith, because he gave me the same title (Oracle) but none of the other details match up, so if that is something, then its something. Is it a smoking gun? Of course not. So he's got facts going in both directions for him, to my mind.

Wait, so he gave you the same title but different details? Even if you would make your two seers with different details, you'd also give them different names, right? Well, I could see it either way, really.

[DaddyTorgo]

Votes as of post 1057:

7- Tyrith - claphasma (820), Farrah (1012), Abe Sargent (1013), Telle (1014), DaddyTorgo (1029), PurdueBrad (1054), Barkeep (1056)
3- Abe Sargent - Lathum (845), mccollins (966), Tyrith (969)
1- No Lynch - Passacaglia (971)

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

hoopie doo!

I don't see Tyrith's reveal as very compelling - seems pretty convienent and early - particularly given the potential for lack of lyches that we've observed in this game.

Catching up but I disagree with you on this. I got a better vibe from Tyrith's reveal than Abe's.

Did you verify that you and Abe met?

[DaddyTorgo]

yes. Abe and I met. And he told me the names of the other 2 raptors and that they were raptors before they revealed in thread.

Plus, if the "other oracle" revealed to Abe on D1, that'd actually be before Tyrith did, so if Abe's voting Tyrith, that says something to me.

[path12]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Where are you off to Claph?

Just for the record
do you prefer Clap or Claph?
Enquiring minds wonder.

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Guys...I met Abe in the labyrinth. He sure as hell seemed good to me - he gave up the names of the other 2 raptors to me before they came out publicly as raptors and they matched up. I think Tyrith is a much better vote tonight.

OK, there's the verify.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Wait, so he gave you the same title but different details? Even if you would make your two seers with different details, you'd also give them different names, right? Well, I could see it either way, really.

I thought that exact same thing. I'm not sure how to take it, but there's something weird about it.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by path12

Just for the record
do you prefer Clap or Claph?
Enquiring minds wonder.

after years of jokes
i realize clap is me
cuz i make love burn!

[path12]

OK. On Tyrith's side, his reveal sounded good to me. The thought of the same role name (Oracle) with different abilities does not come off as true for me just thinking as a GM. Besides, if I've got a game split in sectors (ie locations matter), I've either got to have a seer type in each sector (if the seer has to be in the same area as the target) which is hell on game balance; or I allow my seer to be able to scan anyone in the maze (much simpler). So strictly thinking from a GM standpoint, I think I'd have went towards fewer seers that could scan anywhere.

On Abe's side (and this is big), DT pretty much vouches for him. DT's story also just sounds like Abe would say about his fellow velociraptors.

So, we've got three possibilities (more or less):
Tyrith is lynched
Abe is lynched
Nobody is lynched

We lynch Tyrith we find out about Tyrith. We don't learn much from Abe because if you go back and look at his post, he was very careful in his language not to definitively say Tyrith was lying. If Tyrith isn't lying we lose a seer.

We lynch Abe we find out about Abe. We also get a much better read on Tyrith PLUS get some sort of read on DaddyTorgo. Plus, if Abe is telling the truth we have lost one of a group of three, but no real powers for smoking out the bad guys.

Nobody lynched, well I just don't agree with that today for a number of reasons.

[DaddyTorgo]

But if we lynch Tyrith and he's NOT a wolf we also have Abe to tell us who the wolf is. We lynch Abe and we lose our read on who the wolf is if it's not Tyrith (which I strongly believe it is).

[RendeR]

Hrm, my problem with lynching abe is that if he's lying, then so is eveyrone else involved with the whole "scan upon meeting" dinosaur group.

IF I'm a wolf, would I create a scenario where we're ALL being public about such things? I think thats a bit too much to believe.

Its far simpler to believe tyrith is lying at this point. if he's NOT, then we have a whole group to frag one right after another because they all corroborated one another's stories.

[DaddyTorgo]

*nods at RendeR's wisdom*

Tyrith's a lying wolf

[DaddyTorgo]

one could also assume strictly by the numbers that with more people voting for tyrith right now that the real seer has likely voted for tyrith versus voting for abe or for no lynch (stricly on a % basis), right? It's not like it's a fairly even split at this point...Tyrith has what...7 votes on him despite his attempted reveal - that to me is pretty telling. And no one has really tried to push the vote in another direction.

[claphamsa]

i have voted ty
i belive abe good, maybe
we dont know nothing


all we can do is
trust in what we have been told
lets re think friday!

[path12]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

after years of jokes
i realize clap is me
cuz i make love burn!

You're disco inferno, baby.

[claphamsa]

Dt is pining
but it would be bad for abe
so lets hold for now

[The Jackal]

here's the deal - I got hit in the mouth with a table.. That hurts - someone needs to do a vote count for 10 so I don't spend a half hour navigating posts on my phone.. But soon after 10 ill have some fun posts for you

[claphamsa]

pining is pinging
RendeR makes me spell bad
buffalo sucks balls

[DaddyTorgo]

pining?

[DaddyTorgo]

jackel - OUCH

i'm keeping the vote count current

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

And no one has really tried to push the vote in another direction.

Actually, I just did.

That's fine, I wanted to get my concerns out there. I do believe he's likely to be innocent, but you've gotta break some eggs, as Barkeep likes to say.

VOTE TYRITH

[path12]

Dola, I think it's Barkeep.

[claphamsa]

jackyl loves tables
tries to tablelingous them
they get offended

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

here's the deal - I got hit in the mouth with a table.. That hurts - someone needs to do a vote count for 10 so I don't spend a half hour navigating posts on my phone.. But soon after 10 ill have some fun posts for you

Holy Christ, I hope your mouth is okay and I would love to hear THAT story!

[RendeR]

Claphamsa was a man of much verse.
most were , for lack of a word, worse.

He dissed where I live,
Thinking good laughs he'd give,
Till Telle put his ass in a hearse...

[DaddyTorgo]

Votes as of post 1079:

8- Tyrith - claphasma (820), Farrah (1012), Abe Sargent (1013), Telle (1014), DaddyTorgo (1029), PurdueBrad (1054), Barkeep (1056), path12 (1077)
3- Abe Sargent - Lathum (845), mccollins (966), Tyrith (969)
1- No Lynch - Passacaglia (971)

[Passacaglia]

I guess thinking back, I did have two different types of Rook in my Chess game -- one that could guard against chess pieces, and one that could guard against wolves.

But it's hard for me not to be worried about Tyrith, given how much he's been pushing for a lynch -- but that's more of a personal bias.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Hrm, my problem with lynching abe is that if he's lying, then so is eveyrone else involved with the whole "scan upon meeting" dinosaur group.

IF I'm a wolf, would I create a scenario where we're ALL being public about such things? I think thats a bit too much to believe.

Its far simpler to believe tyrith is lying at this point. if he's NOT, then we have a whole group to frag one right after another because they all corroborated one another's stories.

The problem with this analysis is that it's possible that everyone is telling the truth.

[claphamsa]

over agressive
never a way for wolves to play
as a seer, sez me!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The problem with this analysis is that it's possible that everyone is telling the truth.

Occam's razor REALLY applies here. How many people are we looking at in that whole scenario? and they're ALL being honest? No, Ty's the lynch-pin, to coin a phrase.

I smell a rat.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Tyrith

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Occam's razor REALLY applies here. How many people are we looking at in that whole scenario? and they're ALL being honest? No, Ty's the lynch-pin, to coin a phrase.

I smell a rat.

Even Abe himself said he wasn't sure who was lying between the one he PMed with and Tyrith, right?

[DaddyTorgo]

Votes as of post 1087:

9- Tyrith - claphasma (820), Farrah (1012), Abe Sargent (1013), Telle (1014), DaddyTorgo (1029), PurdueBrad (1054), Barkeep (1056), path12 (1077), ntndeacon (1087)
3- Abe Sargent - Lathum (845), mccollins (966), Tyrith (969)
1- No Lynch - Passacaglia (971)

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

over agressive
never a way for wolves to play
as a seer, sez me!

Wait, you're a seer now?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Even Abe himself said he wasn't sure who was lying between the one he PMed with and Tyrith, right?

but he voted for Tyrith - which ought to give us some indication of how he's leaning I presume?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Occam's razor REALLY applies here. How many people are we looking at in that whole scenario? and they're ALL being honest? No, Ty's the lynch-pin, to coin a phrase.

I smell a rat.

a rat? wolves! RendeR
we hunt wolves if rat you smell
maybe you should bathe!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

but he voted for Tyrith - which ought to give us some indication of how he's leaning I presume?

I'm not disputing which way he's leaning. I'm just saying that it's not a "one of them is right" situation. If we lynch Tyrith and he comes up good, I don't think that means Abe or anyone else was lying.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Wait, you're a seer now?

i r not a seer
i r expert on getting
when you should not!

[Tyrith]

I never claimed to be able to scan everyone - there's really no upside to me telling the wolves, hey, I can only scan people that come near you. Then they can leave me alone until I run into one of them and then off me. Or worse, wait until I run into an innocent, then off me and make it look like I was covering up one of them. You don't exactly want to go around advertising to wolves that you don't have a good way to catch them, no?

[RendeR]

"Y'see, madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little...push."

[claphamsa]

RendeR is scarry
he is shakespear and puff
and WTF lolz!!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I never claimed to be able to scan everyone - there's really no upside to me telling the wolves, hey, I can only scan people that come near you. Then they can leave me alone until I run into one of them and then off me. Or worse, wait until I run into an innocent, then off me and make it look like I was covering up one of them. You don't exactly want to go around advertising to wolves that you don't have a good way to catch them, no?

too late to backtrack now wolf

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

too late to backtrack now wolf

I was gone for RL reasons for two hours, and that's a pretty poor thing to hold against someone, whether or not I'm a wolf. If you're gonna do that go ahead and lynch Abe, path, and Lathum right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

whoa whoa whoa - I wasn't saying anything about how long you were gone. Was not trying to make it personal or anything.