2012 Presidential Campaign

[DaddyTorgo]

Who's to say that the mother forced the kid to say anything? Do you know the context of the gathering? Maybe she made a public reference there that day? Maybe the kid saw something on TV earlier that day or the day before and it made him angry and stuck with him?

Kudos to the kid.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Are we sure they aren't polling Obama supporters?

They might as well. With only the Republican primaries in contention, there are going to be a lot of Dems voting GOP in the primaries.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Who's to say that the mother forced the kid to say anything? Do you know the context of the gathering? Maybe she made a public reference there that day? Maybe the kid saw something on TV earlier that day or the day before and it made him angry and stuck with him?

Kudos to the kid.

This. My son and daughter would have done something like that when they were that age (well, my son is that exact age). Of course, they both would have said it way too loudly.

BTW, not that exact statement, unless my wife hasn't told me something I need to know.

[Swaggs]

Finally, a candidate that will stand up to Obama's war on religion:


I'm having trouble telling if this is a real ad or a Saturday Night Live sketch, but I'm pretty sure that this guy is the governor of Texas.

[bigdawg2003]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Found this to be somewhat cowardly. I don't agree with any anti-gay stances by candidates personally, but if you're going to confront a candidate, have the 'balls' to do it yourself rather than grab a camcorder and force your kid to make the statement. I thought Bachmann handled this pretty well given the scenario. Politely say good bye and move on.

Michele Bachmann vs. the 8-Year-Old | The Upshot - Yahoo! News

I thought it was hilarious and enjoyed Bachmann getting told to her face her views on gay marriage are crazy and seeing her unable to react (at least right away).

That being said, I had this exact same thought as MBBF as well. If you feel strongly about something, say it yourself, don't get somebody else to that you know will make for a better YouTube/HuffPo video, especially your nervous child. Would love to see an interview with the mother and get some clarification on how this video came to be.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Agreed. Felt to me like the kid was nervous and hesitant, which led me to believe that he was put up to it.

[JediKooter]

Or maybe she's just a kid that knew the spot light was on her and was just nervous?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Maybe he was. All I have is my interpretation of it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Agreed. Felt to me like the kid was nervous and hesitant, which led me to believe that he was put up to it.

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Or maybe she's just a kid that knew the spot light was on her and was just nervous?

Unintended humor, but I found it amusing that a kid on a video who was saying that their 'moms' didn't need fixing was called 'he' by one poster and 'she' by another. Maybe the whole 'mom and mom' thing does cause some confusion.

[JediKooter]

Ah, my confusion may be from just a quick byline on yahoo. I didn't read the article, but, for some reason 'girl' was stuck in my head.

[larrymcg421]

"I am for people, individuals–exactly like automobile insurance–individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance. And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure that everyone as individuals have health insurance." - Newt Gingrich, 1993

[panerd]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

"I am for people, individuals–exactly like automobile insurance–individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance. And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure that everyone as individuals have health insurance." - Newt Gingrich, 1993

Yep he is a conservative populist. He says what ever it takes to get elected. Sadly it is also often the winning strategy and he is aware of it and using it to his gain. Does anyone really think he has any intent on cutting back government at all? (Even the Democratic "pet" programs)

[JPhillips]

Geez. Jon Huntsman just jumped out from behind a tree and garrotted Romney.



He won't win, but he's been doing a pretty good job of taking Romney down with him.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Finally, a candidate that will stand up to Obama's war on religion:


I'm having trouble telling if this is a real ad or a Saturday Night Live sketch, but I'm pretty sure that this guy is the governor of Texas.

Nothing says EPIC FAIL like: 540 likes, TWENTY THOUSAND DISLIKES.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

"I am for people, individuals–exactly like automobile insurance–individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance. And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure that everyone as individuals have health insurance." - Newt Gingrich, 1993

It's been a Republican position up until the Democrat supported it.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Geez. Jon Huntsman just jumped out from behind a tree and garrotted Romney.

Romney's campaign is bizarre. Almost like running a prevent defense the entire time. Never take a position and just sort of hope the other guys screw up.

Been seeing more of Huntsman on TV lately and wondering if maybe some in the party are trying to turn him into the next flavor of the month. He's the only conservative who has a shot at Obama.

[lungs]

Am I the only one that has noticed a lot (most) of the Huntsman love coming from Democrats/Liberals? I mean, the fact that I find Huntsman to be fairly agreeable should tell us how much of a chance he has to win the Republican nomination.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by lungs

Am I the only one that has noticed a lot (most) of the Huntsman love coming from Democrats/Liberals? I mean, the fact that I find Huntsman to be fairly agreeable should tell us how much of a chance he has to win the Republican nomination.

Yeah notice the guys (Rainmaker, JPhillips) who keep talking Huntsman up. Now I am a Ron Paul guy so I am not huge on the polls but this guy is at like 1% and these guys talk about how he is the next thing. Sure...

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Been seeing more of Huntsman on TV lately and wondering if maybe some in the party are trying to turn him into the next flavor of the month. He's the only conservative who has a shot at Obama.

I am sure you are watching networks that a lot of potential Republican voters watch.

[SirFozzie]

Huntsman is a conservative I can vote for. *shrugs* I know I'm in the minority, that the more right of the right wing you are the better off you are in the R race.. even Huntsman is moving to the right on Climate Change..

[SirFozzie]

Dola: Perry's up to 40,000 dislikes already.. honestly, I'm going to be interested to see if it comes close to one of the holy grails of most hated video on youtube (Rebecca Black's Friday) has 250,000.

[lcjjdnh]

Huntsman will become far less appealing to liberals once some of his views come out. For instance, he wants to completely repeal the capital gains tax (which may or may not be a good idea, but certainly not one that's going to gain favor with many on the left). Sadly, the mere fact a Republican candidate believes in science and doesn't completely pander to the right-wing is enough to gain some traction with liberals now, though.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by panerd

Yeah notice the guys (Rainmaker, JPhillips) who keep talking Huntsman up. Now I am a Ron Paul guy so I am not huge on the polls but this guy is at like 1% and these guys talk about how he is the next thing. Sure...

I am sure you are watching networks that a lot of potential Republican voters watch.

Is this the part where I'm a super far-left liberal because I don't agree with Ron Paul's retarded, out-of-touch policies? I hate to break it to you, but most people with a basic understanding of the government don't either. I don't consider them hardcore liberals either.

It's a shitty debate tactic that forces you to never have to actually defend a position. Just portray anyone who doesn't agree with you as being "on the other side" and you don't have to show any substance. Sorry that some of us don't treat Alex Jones like the Associated Press, but it doesn't make us tree-hugging hippies.

[lungs]

Originally Posted by panerd

Yeah notice the guys (Rainmaker, JPhillips) who keep talking Huntsman up. Now I am a Ron Paul guy so I am not huge on the polls but this guy is at like 1% and these guys talk about how he is the next thing. Sure...

Clarification, I wasn't necessarily talking about FOFC. Moreso on other boards/places where people talk about politics, it's the liberals talking up Huntsman. Must be because there is no Democratic race so they need to tout the RINO.

I'm hoping Michele Bachmann has a comeback in her yet personally. The other guys are just worthless politicians, whereas the batshit crazy Bachmann would be much more entertaining and give the far-right an accurate assessment that their views are, well, batshit crazy compared to the rest of the populace.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by lcjjdnh

Huntsman will become far less appealing to liberals once some of his views come out. For instance, he wants to completely repeal the capital gains tax (which may or may not be a good idea, but certainly not one that's going to gain favor with many on the left). Sadly, the mere fact a Republican candidate believes in science and doesn't completely pander to the right-wing is enough to gain some traction with liberals now, though.

I don't think liberals do like him. He's a pretty hardcore conservative. Issues don't seem to matter much to conservatives these days (these are the people who call Reagan a beacon of conservatism). Huntsman actually does the shit he stands for and doesn't just pander to bullshit culture wars and nationalism that means squat once elected.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by lungs

Clarification, I wasn't necessarily talking about FOFC. Moreso on other boards/places where people talk about politics, it's the liberals talking up Huntsman. Must be because there is no Democratic race so they need to tout the RINO.

I'm hoping Michele Bachmann has a comeback in her yet personally. The other guys are just worthless politicians, whereas the batshit crazy Bachmann would be much more entertaining and give the far-right an accurate assessment that their views are, well, batshit crazy compared to the rest of the populace.

There have been a ton of editorials of late by influential people on the right touting Huntsman's conservatism. It just seemed to me that there was some kind of push from within the party to get his name out there more. These things typically come down from orders from the top.

The case for Jon Huntsman’s conservatism « The Enterprise Blog
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/1...cember-1-2011/
The GOP’s front-runners: Bad and worse - The Washington Post
The Huntsman Handicap - NYTimes.com

[lungs]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

There have been a ton of editorials of late by influential people on the right touting Huntsman's conservatism. It just seemed to me that there was some kind of push from within the party to get his name out there more. These things typically come down from orders from the top.

The case for Jon Huntsman’s conservatism « The Enterprise Blog
The Horserace for December 1, 2011 | RedState
The GOP’s front-runners: Bad and worse - The Washington Post
The Huntsman Handicap - NYTimes.com

I guess I also frequent some boards (agricultural related, very conservative) and the reaction when Huntsman is brought up was a much more hostile version of what JIMGA wrote above. Whether he is conservative or not, he has been branded by conservatives as not being conservative so he is dead in the water.

Interestingly the argument now is whether they will support the Republican candidate just to get Obama out or some other action that does not involve voting for the Republican (sit it out, third party, etc...)

[RainMaker]

I don't think most people who call themselves conservative want an actual conservative. See all the polls with Newt Gingrich leading the way.

[JPhillips]

I don't think Huntsman has a chance of winning the nomination, but if he did he'd win the general going away. The problem with the GOP base is they'd rather get zero percent of what they want than fifty percent.

[larrymcg421]

Huntsman isnt trying to appeal to conservatives. He's clearly not hiding stuff that would bother them. I think it's clear he's running for 2016. And that's why he's now targeting Romney.

If Romney gets the nomination, it's bad for Huntsman no matter what. Either he wins the general and has to wait 8 years or he loses the general and the GOP will blame it on Romney not being conservative enough and Huntsman has no shot

However, if one of the nutcases gets the nomination and loses, then he's got a great argument to make in 2016

[molson]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

There have been a ton of editorials of late by influential people on the right touting Huntsman's conservatism. It just seemed to me that there was some kind of push from within the party to get his name out there more. These things typically come down from orders from the top.

The case for Jon Huntsman’s conservatism « The Enterprise Blog
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/1...cember-1-2011/
The GOP’s front-runners: Bad and worse - The Washington Post
The Huntsman Handicap - NYTimes.com

He was on Saturday Night Live a few weeks ago, which is certainly odd for a seemingly fringe candidate. But I wonder how many Republican primary voters watch Saturday Night Live.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Is this the part where I'm a super far-left liberal because I don't agree with Ron Paul's retarded, out-of-touch policies? I hate to break it to you, but most people with a basic understanding of the government don't either. I don't consider them hardcore liberals either.

It's a shitty debate tactic that forces you to never have to actually defend a position. Just portray anyone who doesn't agree with you as being "on the other side" and you don't have to show any substance. Sorry that some of us don't treat Alex Jones like the Associated Press, but it doesn't make us tree-hugging hippies.

Yawn. You preach how "center" you are all the time. Get one board member besides yourself to say you are anything but a liberal who claims to be moderate. Don't know where you got this Alex Jones stuff from (or your implication that I am a fan of his) either but speaking of shitty debate tactics throwing that shit around every time you respond to me is pretty lame as well.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Dola: Perry's up to 40,000 dislikes already.. honestly, I'm going to be interested to see if it comes close to one of the holy grails of most hated video on youtube (Rebecca Black's Friday) has 250,000.

Closing in on 100,000 right now. Wonder if it gets taken down soon.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by panerd

Yawn. You preach how "center" you are all the time. Get one board member besides yourself to say you are anything but a liberal who claims to be moderate. Don't know where you got this Alex Jones stuff from (or your implication that I am a fan of his) either but speaking of shitty debate tactics throwing that shit around every time you respond to me is pretty lame as well.

I don't preach anything really. I have varying views that you want to define.

And Alex Jones is into that nutty gold standard and illuminati/NWO stuff you insinuate. Figured you got it from there considering that's where a lot of Paul fans come from.

[lungs]

Originally Posted by panerd

Yawn. You preach how "center" you are all the time. Get one board member besides yourself to say you are anything but a liberal who claims to be moderate.

*raises hand*

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Closing in on 100,000 right now. Wonder if it gets taken down soon.

153,809 dislikes at 10 am

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

153,809 dislikes at 10 am

{yawn} Paulbots can generate that much steam w/out much help.

[albionmoonlight]

On the issues, Huntsman passes the conservative test. But he really, really fails the temperament test. Right now, a lot of the base is motivated by anti-Obama sentiment. I just can't see them voting for a guy who used to work for him.

(Which is why I think the President put Huntsman into the position in the first place. 4 years ago, he saw Hunstman as the biggest threat to his re-election and made sure to make him toxic to the base.)

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Huntsman isnt trying to appeal to conservatives. He's clearly not hiding stuff that would bother them. I think it's clear he's running for 2016. And that's why he's now targeting Romney.

If Romney gets the nomination, it's bad for Huntsman no matter what. Either he wins the general and has to wait 8 years or he loses the general and the GOP will blame it on Romney not being conservative enough and Huntsman has no shot

However, if one of the nutcases gets the nomination and loses, then he's got a great argument to make in 2016

I like this idea.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

{yawn} Paulbots can generate that much steam w/out much help.

Yeah, the disparity between likes and dislikes illustrates the general lack of excitement about Perry coupled with the overzealous liberals hoping to make any and all GOP candidates look bad. Someone needs to tell the liberals that the GOP isn't terribly interested in Perry and his candidacy so they can focus their efforts on someone who actually may be a presidential candidate.

[SirFozzie]

BWAhahahaa.. Seriously MBBF.. overzealous liberals are trying to make any and all GOP candidates look bad?

They don't need any help, they do plenty fine on their own!

This was a desperate attempt by Perry to appeal to the base to restart a campaign that's not (quite) dead yet... and it's getting the exact response it deserves.. because there is a good percentage of the right of the right wing that actually THINKS THIS CRAP IS TRUE.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

BWAhahahaa.. Seriously MBBF.. overzealous liberals are trying to make any and all GOP candidates look bad?

They don't need any help, they do plenty fine on their own!

This was a desperate attempt by Perry to appeal to the base to restart a campaign that's not (quite) dead yet... and it's getting the exact response it deserves.. because there is a good percentage of the right of the right wing that actually THINKS THIS CRAP IS TRUE.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying here. Liberals don't get that most conservatives find him equally appalling. They're trying to stir a pot that already stinks.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

BWAhahahaa.. Seriously MBBF.. overzealous liberals are trying to make any and all GOP candidates look bad?

They don't need any help, they do plenty fine on their own!

This was a desperate attempt by Perry to appeal to the base to restart a campaign that's not (quite) dead yet... and it's getting the exact response it deserves.. because there is a good percentage of the right of the right wing that actually THINKS THIS CRAP IS TRUE.

Wait a second where are all the dislikes coming from?

Not the liberals... "Seriously MBBF.. overzealous liberals are trying to make any and all GOP candidates look bad?"

Not the conservatives... "there is a good percentage of the right of the right wing that actually THINKS THIS CRAP IS TRUE"

Not sure I follow your response?

[SirFozzie]

I'm saying that even moderates and as MBBF says above, "rational conservatives" find this a blatant pander to the social conservatives and find it pretty ridiculous. I agree, a lot fo the dislikes are the people left and center (and center) pointing and laughing at Perry.. but this is a message not well received other then the right of the right wing.. we may not be the intended audience.

As for the first part, there's a reason that neutral sites are writing with "GOP Nomination fight turning into a circus?". When Donald freaking Trump is being considered a kingmaker, you just need a ringmaster and some elephants to have a three ring circus, you already have the clowns.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

When Donald freaking Trump is being considered a kingmaker

I'm not sure whether anyone - Trump or otherwise - is going to be able to wring much better than a court jester out of the front runners at this point.

[albionmoonlight]

So we keep hearing about how the "GOP Establishment" wants to make sure that a moderate with a better chance of winning gets the nomination. Why is that?

I will grant you that there are some members of the GOP Establishment who are policy focused and who want conservative policies enacted. They, of course, want to win the election.

But, working on the assumption that most members of a political party's establishment got there because they care about their own ambition, how does an Obama presidency hurt them? I would think that for a lot of GOP governors, etc., it might actually help them to be able to run their campaigns in part as anti-Obama campaigns. Don't all of the talking heads get better ratings when the other party is in charge?

If the GOP ends up winning with a play-it-safe choice like Romney, might it actually make it harder for GOP politicians in the next few years because suddenly all of the country's problems are now the GOP's fault.

It just seems that if I am Republican Senator XXX or Governor YYY and I know that anti-Obama sentiment will keep getting my base to the polls, do I really want him to go away? Or do I want to keep raising money and winning elections by opposing him?

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by panerd

Wait a second where are all the dislikes coming from?

Texans.

[larrymcg421]

[Autumn]

over 238,000 dislikes now ... lol

[mckerney]

At least it isn't the worst political ad to come out of Texas.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Autumn

over 238,000 dislikes now ... lol

So close to "Friday"..

Just watch, Rick Perry will get within a couple hundred dislikes of Rebecca Black and pull the ad