Survivor: New Helsing Tribal Thread - Page 22

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 12:46 AM

dola, even though I suppose (havent asked so dont know) we can switch our votes if we want.

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 12:46 AM

I submitted my questiom

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I agree, just saying why I feel its needed to know the overall picture moreso than just focus on our tribe for this type of question I guess

Oh, I agree. I just want both. They are two different things. I'm not suggesting we reallocate and put two votes on our own tribe. Just focusing on who goes where.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

dola, even though I suppose (havent asked so dont know) we can switch our votes if we want.

That is pretty much my take too. So far every vote or submission we have made has been flexible up until the deadline.

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 12:51 AM

I'm fading guys. I'll probably be out in 10 minutes or so

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 12:55 AM

Yeah, I think I might hit the sack soon as well.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-09-2007, 02:07 AM

I'd ask what's left, but you all disappeared. I wish you'd updated the list.

I'll make sure I get a question in before I leave, and I'll let you know what I'm asking (though, if random, not which specific question).

Mr. Wednesday · 02-09-2007, 02:13 AM

Geez, the disagreements, and then NOT UPDATING THE FREAKING LIST, sure helps me out here.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-09-2007, 02:29 AM

OK, as near as I can tell, what's left is the random question. I like using random.org, so I'll take that.

I'll try to be back by 11 am tomorrow.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-09-2007, 02:32 AM

Just to be clear, out of the five proposed questions (number of wolves in each tribe, plus number of wolves total), I used random.org to select one. I will not reveal which one until later.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 07:08 AM

Sounds good mr.w, sorry for not updating the list.. was late

So we have:

Lupus - Alan
Howard - Gramm
Helsing - Pass
Oz - Lathum

Total wolves - Sndvls
Random - Mr.W

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 07:44 AM

Just make a pick Mr W on what you think will be the best course to validate. Not all options are equal.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 07:52 AM

Any update on whether Lathum can change his question? I'm aware of the problems with volunteering for Helsing, but I can take the heat!

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 07:53 AM

If I don't hear anything by the time I get to work in half an hour, I'll still ask about Helsing.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 07:53 AM

I asked with my PM last night, but have not gotten a response.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 07:56 AM

Sorry, Gram -- it's not looking very good for a switch. I'll be around at 9 AM, so we can wait until the last minute (I haven't even asked mine yet). Would it help, if I do end up taking Helsing, if I was the first to reveal?

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Any update on whether Lathum can change his question? I'm aware of the problems with volunteering for Helsing, but I can take the heat!

Maybe two of us should ask about helsing?

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Maybe two of us should ask about helsing?

I think all 4 and the total is a better check, then 2 on Helsing. If we could switch the random vote to Helsing, I'd be fine with that, but wouldn't want anyone else to switch.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 08:00 AM

Heading to work -- see you in half an hour.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 08:01 AM

Honestly, I don't know if it matter the order of reveal. Probably we should stick with our thought on all revealing at a specific time.

Does Noon still work for everyone?

I also think we should wait a while to throw information out in the general thread.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 08:17 AM

I don't see any harm in revealing my information when I get it since I'm just doing lupus.

I think Sndvls should wait to reveal until after the 4 tribes are revealed by us. Then Mr.W reveal after everyone else since we don't know which one he is doing.

I am ok with 12 if everyone is going to be here to talk about stuff then. Right now I am leaning to thinking that we should tell everyone else what we find unless something really strange happens.

Someone in our group (Dont remember who) pushed the angle that it made sense to let us win the challenge yesterday since we can find out the most about the wolves and ask the most questions. For us to hide that information would mean we are doing the same thing that we accused Lupus of. We'll just flat out tell them we could have used the questions to ask about stuff their tribes had been doing but instead chose to do what was in the best interest overall. So we would appreciate if they can be a bit more open about whats going on in their tribal councils too.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't see any harm in revealing my information when I get it since I'm just doing lupus.

I think Sndvls should wait to reveal until after the 4 tribes are revealed by us. Then Mr.W reveal after everyone else since we don't know which one he is doing.

I am ok with 12 if everyone is going to be here to talk about stuff then. Right now I am leaning to thinking that we should tell everyone else what we find unless something really strange happens.

Someone in our group (Dont remember who) pushed the angle that it made sense to let us win the challenge yesterday since we can find out the most about the wolves and ask the most questions. For us to hide that information would mean we are doing the same thing that we accused Lupus of. We'll just flat out tell them we could have used the questions to ask about stuff their tribes had been doing but instead chose to do what was in the best interest overall. So we would appreciate if they can be a bit more open about whats going on in their tribal councils too.

I agree -- I just think we should take a moment to process the info, before revealing it.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 08:32 AM

Oh, and 12 is good with me.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 08:34 AM

Out of curiosity, whats the harm in the 4 people who scanned the tribes last night just revealing as they get the info and come on? We aren't doublechecking on each other and I know I'm pretty excited to hear the results.

As long as Sndvls can reveal by 12 and mr.W before folks have to leave today we can then process it all entirely and figure out what/when/how to reveal to everyone else.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Out of curiosity, whats the harm in the 4 people who scanned the tribes last night just revealing as they get the info and come on? We aren't doublechecking on each other and I know I'm pretty excited to hear the results.

As long as Sndvls can reveal by 12 and mr.W before folks have to leave today we can then process it all entirely and figure out what/when/how to reveal to everyone else.

I'm actually game for revealing early -- I'm excited, too. The simultaneous role reveal would be a bigger deal if we didn't have some checks built in. That's also why I suggested Wednesday for the random question -- he shows up last anyway.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 08:41 AM

Okay, I've asked my question about Helsing.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 08:42 AM

And, unfortunately, as excited as I am to reveal, I most likely won't be able to until 10. My company is bringing in a bunch of intern candidates today, and I have to go to a meet-and-greet breakfast. Free food, at least.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:07 AM

I got my answer back.. Sndvls, gramm, pass what do you all think? I have no problems going ahead and giving my answer. It shouldn't really impact anyone else I don't think.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 09:15 AM

Personally, I think we should reveal together. Everyone, even Mr. W. Pass, I don't see our check and balance as all that strong. It is definately something, but I like floating our info at the same time.

Alan, Absolutely I agree since all of our questions are about wolves, we HAVE to eventually get it all out in the main thread.

Alan, do you recall who suggested we win to get more info?

SnDvls · 02-09-2007, 09:16 AM

I can answer when ever I got mine too
I think I should wait though for each individural tribe question is answered

I don't have a problem with sharing info with everyone in the game, but 1) I want something from them out of it and 2) by sharing this info with everyone we need to realize we are sharing this info with "everyone", wolves included and it could tip them off that we know where they are and they will be more careful in what they do in the common thread and with their tribe.

My thinking in keeping it to our tribe at first is to try and get some info on the other players before we do merge. we have a strong team and I'd like to keep it together for as long as possible.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I can answer when ever I got mine too
I think I should wait though for each individural tribe question is answered

I don't have a problem with sharing info with everyone in the game, but 1) I want something from them out of it and 2) by sharing this info with everyone we need to realize we are sharing this info with "everyone", wolves included and it could tip them off that we know where they are and they will be more careful in what they do in the common thread and with their tribe.

My thinking in keeping it to our tribe at first is to try and get some info on the other players before we do merge. we have a strong team and I'd like to keep it together for as long as possible.

I am pretty sure if we have a wolf in our group (likely as we are the largest group), then the wolves already know. So sharing the information with everyone else is sharing new news to other villagers, as the wolves learn nothing new.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Personally, I think we should reveal together. Everyone, even Mr. W. Pass, I don't see our check and balance as all that strong. It is definately something, but I like floating our info at the same time.

Alan, Absolutely I agree since all of our questions are about wolves, we HAVE to eventually get it all out in the main thread.

Alan, do you recall who suggested we win to get more info?

I will look up the quote, it was in dealing back and forth with blade yesterday.

oh and Sndvls, I still think you shouldnt reveal until after the 4 tribes reveal personally.

One of the main reasons I would like to go earlier than all at once is I am guessing we have 1 wolf. If we have 2 wolves though, waiting would give them time to work up a story is all. I know the checks and balances we have aren't iron clad, but its probably the best we could without knowing more about our tribe.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 09:19 AM

Didn't Howard and Lupus have to vote someone off last night? Or was it Lupus and Oz?

Do we know if our answer from BK is after or before the vote off results?

SnDvls · 02-09-2007, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

oh and Sndvls, I still think you shouldnt reveal until after the 4 tribes reveal personally.

I agree...at least I'm pretty sure that's what I said earlier

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I am pretty sure if we have a wolf in our group (likely as we are the largest group), then the wolves already know. So sharing the information with everyone else is sharing new news to other villagers, as the wolves learn nothing new.

I would think the wolves already know this too. I gues it is possible they don't know who each other are??

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:23 AM

I guess it was brought up twice yesterday actually in the public thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

And incidentally, notwithstanding wolf count, we have the most to gain information-wise by winning the challenge today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Well if Oz wants us to let them win so badly, they'll really have to tell us their bids!

Anyway, the team with more members should be allowed to win -- more questions!

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Didn't Howard and Lupus have to vote someone off last night? Or was it Lupus and Oz?

Do we know if our answer from BK is after or before the vote off results?

Lupus and Oz last night voted someone off.. So thats Blade + someone we dont know from Oz.

I assume the answers come after someone was voted off since that was 10pm and the answers were 9am.. but Barkeep can you verify?

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 09:24 AM

Why are so many people clicking on wrong threads by accident?

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:25 AM

The only time I clicked on a wrong thread by accident yesterday it was because I was doing something else (dont remember if i was at work or at home) and got distracted and just mis-aimed my mouse click

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:26 AM

Barkeep responded saying the numbers do not count anyone who was voted off in tribal council last night.

SnDvls · 02-09-2007, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Why are so many people clicking on wrong threads by accident?

I don't know

I could see Howard and Helsing as they both start w/ a H

but really I look for the check mark box thing and then read the title before I click so not really sure.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 09:27 AM

The only problem with Mr. W and Pass being the ones who brought up us winning as an information multiplier, is they are on our team. Obviously that is not a bad thing, but it does not go too far in clearing anyone either. I was hoping someone from another team made the suggestion. That would give them stature in my good column, as it would mean they were willing to SAC something.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

The only problem with Mr. W and Pass being the ones who brought up us winning as an information multiplier, is they are on our team. Obviously that is not a bad thing, but it does not go too far in clearing anyone either. I was hoping someone from another team made the suggestion. That would give them stature in my good column, as it would mean they were willing to SAC something.

Well to be fair, you only saw my quotes entirely out of context. It was during the course of discussion that people had on why other teams should just roll over and let them win.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 09:29 AM

SnDvls, what do you think we can get for revealing our info in the main thread?

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:31 AM

I think we should ask for info on what happened during their tribal council voting. so the rest of us know who voted for whom and can start putting together who the wolves are.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 09:31 AM

I think we could challenge everyone to reveal their tribal council votes and we reveal the wolf information. Basically, everyon helps each other.

SnDvls · 02-09-2007, 09:33 AM

Gram - what Alan said

Grammaticus · 02-09-2007, 09:33 AM

I think when we ultimately do reveal results in the general section, each person should reveal their results with a verifiable statement. Not one email from Helsing with compiled results.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 09:34 AM

Lets table the night info discussion for a little bit and talk about today's challenge. Do we want to act fast and get one of the early picks in? I know Pass said he would be back at 10, and maybe Lathum might be around.. we could get a choice in fast?

FOF
OOTP
Text Sims
MF
Fast Break Basketball/Fast Break College Basketball (Page needs to be started)

SnDvls · 02-09-2007, 09:35 AM

I"ve only played FOF and OOTP

so I'd have to do research on any others to help

02-09-2007, 02:07 AM	#1057
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I'd ask what's left, but you all disappeared. I wish you'd updated the list. I'll make sure I get a question in before I leave, and I'll let you know what I'm asking (though, if random, not which specific question). __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-09-2007, 02:13 AM	#1058
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Geez, the disagreements, and then NOT UPDATING THE FREAKING LIST, sure helps me out here. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-09-2007, 02:29 AM	#1059
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	OK, as near as I can tell, what's left is the random question. I like using random.org, so I'll take that. I'll try to be back by 11 am tomorrow. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-09-2007, 02:32 AM	#1060
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Just to be clear, out of the five proposed questions (number of wolves in each tribe, plus number of wolves total), I used random.org to select one. I will not reveal which one until later. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-09-2007, 12:46 AM	#1051
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	dola, even though I suppose (havent asked so dont know) we can switch our votes if we want.

02-09-2007, 12:46 AM	#1052
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I submitted my questiom

02-09-2007, 12:51 AM	#1055
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I'm fading guys. I'll probably be out in 10 minutes or so

02-09-2007, 12:55 AM	#1056
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Yeah, I think I might hit the sack soon as well.

02-09-2007, 07:08 AM	#1061
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Sounds good mr.w, sorry for not updating the list.. was late So we have: Lupus - Alan Howard - Gramm Helsing - Pass Oz - Lathum Total wolves - Sndvls Random - Mr.W

02-09-2007, 07:44 AM	#1062
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Just make a pick Mr W on what you think will be the best course to validate. Not all options are equal.

02-09-2007, 07:52 AM	#1063
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Any update on whether Lathum can change his question? I'm aware of the problems with volunteering for Helsing, but I can take the heat!

02-09-2007, 07:53 AM	#1064
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	If I don't hear anything by the time I get to work in half an hour, I'll still ask about Helsing.

02-09-2007, 07:53 AM	#1065
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	I asked with my PM last night, but have not gotten a response.

02-09-2007, 07:56 AM	#1066
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Sorry, Gram -- it's not looking very good for a switch. I'll be around at 9 AM, so we can wait until the last minute (I haven't even asked mine yet). Would it help, if I do end up taking Helsing, if I was the first to reveal?

02-09-2007, 08:00 AM	#1069
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Heading to work -- see you in half an hour.

02-09-2007, 08:01 AM	#1070
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Honestly, I don't know if it matter the order of reveal. Probably we should stick with our thought on all revealing at a specific time. Does Noon still work for everyone? I also think we should wait a while to throw information out in the general thread.

02-09-2007, 08:17 AM	#1071
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I don't see any harm in revealing my information when I get it since I'm just doing lupus. I think Sndvls should wait to reveal until after the 4 tribes are revealed by us. Then Mr.W reveal after everyone else since we don't know which one he is doing. I am ok with 12 if everyone is going to be here to talk about stuff then. Right now I am leaning to thinking that we should tell everyone else what we find unless something really strange happens. Someone in our group (Dont remember who) pushed the angle that it made sense to let us win the challenge yesterday since we can find out the most about the wolves and ask the most questions. For us to hide that information would mean we are doing the same thing that we accused Lupus of. We'll just flat out tell them we could have used the questions to ask about stuff their tribes had been doing but instead chose to do what was in the best interest overall. So we would appreciate if they can be a bit more open about whats going on in their tribal councils too.

02-09-2007, 08:32 AM	#1073
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Oh, and 12 is good with me.

02-09-2007, 08:34 AM	#1074
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Out of curiosity, whats the harm in the 4 people who scanned the tribes last night just revealing as they get the info and come on? We aren't doublechecking on each other and I know I'm pretty excited to hear the results. As long as Sndvls can reveal by 12 and mr.W before folks have to leave today we can then process it all entirely and figure out what/when/how to reveal to everyone else.

02-09-2007, 08:41 AM	#1076
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Okay, I've asked my question about Helsing.

02-09-2007, 08:42 AM	#1077
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	And, unfortunately, as excited as I am to reveal, I most likely won't be able to until 10. My company is bringing in a bunch of intern candidates today, and I have to go to a meet-and-greet breakfast. Free food, at least.

02-09-2007, 09:07 AM	#1078
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I got my answer back.. Sndvls, gramm, pass what do you all think? I have no problems going ahead and giving my answer. It shouldn't really impact anyone else I don't think.

02-09-2007, 09:15 AM	#1079
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Personally, I think we should reveal together. Everyone, even Mr. W. Pass, I don't see our check and balance as all that strong. It is definately something, but I like floating our info at the same time. Alan, Absolutely I agree since all of our questions are about wolves, we HAVE to eventually get it all out in the main thread. Alan, do you recall who suggested we win to get more info?

02-09-2007, 09:16 AM	#1080
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I can answer when ever I got mine too I think I should wait though for each individural tribe question is answered I don't have a problem with sharing info with everyone in the game, but 1) I want something from them out of it and 2) by sharing this info with everyone we need to realize we are sharing this info with "everyone", wolves included and it could tip them off that we know where they are and they will be more careful in what they do in the common thread and with their tribe. My thinking in keeping it to our tribe at first is to try and get some info on the other players before we do merge. we have a strong team and I'd like to keep it together for as long as possible.

02-09-2007, 09:19 AM	#1083
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Didn't Howard and Lupus have to vote someone off last night? Or was it Lupus and Oz? Do we know if our answer from BK is after or before the vote off results?

02-09-2007, 09:24 AM	#1088
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Why are so many people clicking on wrong threads by accident?

02-09-2007, 09:25 AM	#1089
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	The only time I clicked on a wrong thread by accident yesterday it was because I was doing something else (dont remember if i was at work or at home) and got distracted and just mis-aimed my mouse click

02-09-2007, 09:26 AM	#1090
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Barkeep responded saying the numbers do not count anyone who was voted off in tribal council last night.

02-09-2007, 09:27 AM	#1092
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	The only problem with Mr. W and Pass being the ones who brought up us winning as an information multiplier, is they are on our team. Obviously that is not a bad thing, but it does not go too far in clearing anyone either. I was hoping someone from another team made the suggestion. That would give them stature in my good column, as it would mean they were willing to SAC something.

02-09-2007, 09:29 AM	#1094
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	SnDvls, what do you think we can get for revealing our info in the main thread?

02-09-2007, 09:31 AM	#1095
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I think we should ask for info on what happened during their tribal council voting. so the rest of us know who voted for whom and can start putting together who the wolves are.

02-09-2007, 09:31 AM	#1096
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	I think we could challenge everyone to reveal their tribal council votes and we reveal the wolf information. Basically, everyon helps each other.

02-09-2007, 09:33 AM	#1097
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	Gram - what Alan said

02-09-2007, 09:33 AM	#1098
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	I think when we ultimately do reveal results in the general section, each person should reveal their results with a verifiable statement. Not one email from Helsing with compiled results.