Werewolf CXXV - Vegas, Baby - VILLAGERS WIN - Page 22

Autumn · 02-15-2011, 08:37 PM

I'm not feeling well, so I'm out for the night. I should, hopefully, be on time in the morning, but if not I'm probably just running late. Don't fret! And don't lynch anybody while I'm gone.

mauchow · 02-15-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Pass, if you can protect me with the BG, I (presumably) can't get slutted by whoever won the escort service, assuming it was an unfriendly.

Huh? Did you mean to send this via PM to Pass? Pass won the BG?

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

lol Pass.

Hopefully a villager got the Escort Agency.

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Huh? Did you mean to send this via PM to Pass? Pass won the BG?

I don't think he did -- there's no reason he'd be able to send it to me via PM. And no, I didn't win the BG. And I'm not sure why he was laughing at me in the earlier post. What's the deal, JAG?

The Jackal · 02-15-2011, 09:39 PM

Lupino family getting hit hard! Nice one, guys.

Zinto · 02-15-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I'll take it. his phone probably doesn't do bold ;-)

Thanks I could not get my phone to bold anything.

Darth Vilus · 02-15-2011, 11:14 PM

Ah sweet Jesus two Mob members in a row? AWESOME, bout time we had some good luck

Chief Rum · 02-16-2011, 02:04 AM

How's this for nutty? Since both wolves we caught in Lathum's group were from the Lupino family, it's still likely that my logic from earlier holds, and we have at least one more wolf in the group, from the other family.

Some money is coming from somewhere. I swung and missed on most of my bids. Nice $5 bids there. Goes to show we all should be betting even a little amount on all of the services, just in case.

cougarfreak · 02-16-2011, 05:31 AM

No update yet, I'll can't check back in until after school.

mauchow · 02-16-2011, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Well, I'll lay it out. I won the night kill. Should I take a swing at an unknown?

And to confirm, the killer does indeed win the cash the victim has on them.

Are you asking us for help to deciide who to kill? On my short list... zinto and cougar because we know nothing about them... but that's just me.

JAG · 02-16-2011, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Are you asking us for help to deciide who to kill? On my short list... zinto and cougar because we know nothing about them... but that's just me.

Still contemplating. I'm actually thinking about not using it, since extending the game is in the village's favor by allowing us more time to get in scans.

tyketime · 02-16-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

How's this for nutty? Since both wolves we caught in Lathum's group were from the Lupino family, it's still likely that my logic from earlier holds, and we have at least one more wolf in the group, from the other family.

Some money is coming from somewhere. I swung and missed on most of my bids. Nice $5 bids there. Goes to show we all should be betting even a little amount on all of the services, just in case.

Well with two Lupinos gone, it is time to pull out the wooden stakes and do a little vampire hunting. They seem to be a bit more coordinated than the other family. That's what I'm going to be searching through today...

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 07:31 AM

Hey JAG, I'm here with 30 minutes to deadline. Want to talk?

Autumn · 02-16-2011, 08:07 AM

Morning breaks in Vegas, gray and warm. Everyone flips on the TV news automatically now. But seems there's nothing new. Tiger attack in the casino. Three rappers dead. But nothing to do with you, or the mob. Seems you had a quiet night.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:08 AM

Good choice, JAG. We really don't want villagers killing villagers.

JAG · 02-16-2011, 08:14 AM

Actually, here's the funny thing. I decided to send Knuckles vs. saldana and he came back to me he wouldn't do the kill because sal is a mobster and doesn't want to get involved in mob activity. So that makes today easy.

Vote Saldana
Vote nightfall

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Actually, here's the funny thing. I decided to send Knuckles vs. saldana and he came back to me he wouldn't do the kill because sal is a mobster and doesn't want to get involved in mob activity. So that makes today easy.

Vote Saldana
Vote nightfall

Why would you do that?

JAG · 02-16-2011, 08:16 AM

I think it's very likely he's the last of the Lupinos.

Autumn · 02-16-2011, 08:17 AM

The services you can bid on today are:

Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection
Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want
Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night
Speedeez Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedeez will get it there
Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town

Black Market Services -

"Crazy Legs" Louie - Maybe he's not as professional as Knuckles was, but he'll do any hit
Bill Werthers, crooked cop - Not every cop in Vegas wears a white hat. This one can get you out of trouble, or someone else in it.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

I think it's very likely he's the last of the Lupinos.

With his vote for DT? If anything, he'd have to be on the other team.

And I'll admit it -- I'm having trouble believing this.

saldana · 02-16-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Actually, here's the funny thing. I decided to send Knuckles vs. saldana and he came back to me he wouldn't do the kill because sal is a mobster and doesn't want to get involved in mob activity. So that makes today easy.

Vote Saldana
Vote nightfall

wow...so in addition to their being a seer, you are saying that the nightkill mechanic is also a seer! thats an awful lot of power in the hands of a single role!

I call shenanigans!

i had my suspicions about you to begin with and this pretty much locks it up for me.

vote JAG

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:23 AM

Also JAG, if you voted nightfall and are indeed okay with the day being over, you should place your bids now.

Zinto · 02-16-2011, 08:24 AM

I doubt Jag would put himself on the line like this to get rid of Saldana if Saldana is proved a villager.

Vote Saldana

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

wow...so in addition to their being a seer, you are saying that the nightkill mechanic is also a seer! thats an awful lot of power in the hands of a single role!

I call shenanigans!

i had my suspicions about you to begin with and this pretty much locks it up for me.

vote JAG

Actually, my issue with the mechanic is that it's *less* power than it should have. So this thing can only kill villagers, and if it hits a mobster, we don't even get the success, and instead it needs to be taken to the court of public opinion? It's probably designed so that mobsters don't attack other mobsters, but if it's villager attacking mobster, it's pretty weak. Granted, if I had won it, I wouldn't have done something this stupid (no offense JAG

).

JAG · 02-16-2011, 08:27 AM

It looks like every time a wolf dies, they get access to a new Black Market category. Cool balancing mechanism.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:30 AM

Not if they don't bid on it!

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

wow...so in addition to their being a seer, you are saying that the nightkill mechanic is also a seer! thats an awful lot of power in the hands of a single role!

I call shenanigans!

i had my suspicions about you to begin with and this pretty much locks it up for me.

vote JAG

sal, did you post those suspicions anywhere?

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:36 AM

Also, for the record, another 6,516 was spent last night, bringing the grand total to 25,995 over the four nights.

JAG · 02-16-2011, 08:37 AM

To the person who will know what I'm talking about. There is no service I am aware of that does it. I'll fill you in after the game.

saldana · 02-16-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

sal, did you post those suspicions anywhere?

no, i didnt...there was nothing concrete, just a gut feeling, so i didnt post on it (if you recall, i am not a big fan of trust lists)

JAG · 02-16-2011, 08:40 AM

Assuming a villager won Lefty last night, I would be verycurious to know the outcome.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

no, i didnt...there was nothing concrete, just a gut feeling, so i didnt post on it (if you recall, i am not a big fan of trust lists)

That may be, but you have told us about a lot of your suspicions. Not that I'm saying you should have -- I just wanted to know if it was worth the effort for me to go back and find anything you posted about him.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

Assuming a villager won Lefty last night, I would be verycurious to know the outcome.

Why would you assume that?

saldana · 02-16-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Not if they don't bid on it!

they likely dont have much money left, especially the Lupinos (assuming there were 3 to start)...unless they hit a bet somewhere, do you have the total amount spent for Knuckles....might be worth looking at the people that have won bets to see if the total for Knuckles is more than 3 people would have started with.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:43 AM

But since we're talking money, sal, I've got no record of you spending money on anything. Do you think this might be a good time to reveal some of that info?

saldana · 02-16-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That may be, but you have told us about a lot of your suspicions. Not that I'm saying you should have -- I just wanted to know if it was worth the effort for me to go back and find anything you posted about him.

no...most of it was based on the way he kept trying to ride me yesterday, well into the evening, and well after he should have moved his vote to one of the relevant candidates.

he only went to DT when he absolutely had to or risk being considered a throw away or pile on.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

they likely dont have much money left, especially the Lupinos (assuming there were 3 to start)...unless they hit a bet somewhere, do you have the total amount spent for Knuckles....might be worth looking at the people that have won bets to see if the total for Knuckles is more than 3 people would have started with.

Night 1: 1150
Night 2: 1501
Night 3: 1000
Night 4: 1800 (presumably JAG, I don't expect a counter-reveal here)
Total: 5,451

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 08:51 AM

FYI, the other people who I have absolutely no idea what they spent money on:

tyketime
mckerney
cougarfreak

JAG · 02-16-2011, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Why would you assume that?

Well, if a wolf won it, I don't expect they would reveal it. But I received some information that could potentially clear a villager and the data from it would be helpful in doing so.

Unvote nightfall

Just so I don't have to get a bid in early.

saldana · 02-16-2011, 09:06 AM

you cant unvote nightfall (if autumn is even accepting nightfall votes)

as far as my money goes, i havent spent any of it. I lost bids the first two nights i think, and then was robbed for most of my money one night, and then robbed again for the rest of it last night. i have no money, and won no bids.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 09:08 AM

Also, even though we have an obviously big issue to discuss already, we still have the Private Investigator and the Betting Parlor reveals. I don't think this is a reason to hold off on those, since we should get as much info out here as possible.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

you cant unvote nightfall (if autumn is even accepting nightfall votes)

as far as my money goes, i havent spent any of it. I lost bids the first two nights i think, and then was robbed for most of my money one night, and then robbed again for the rest of it last night. i have no money, and won no bids.

Do you mind saying how much it was the first time?

The Jackal · 02-16-2011, 09:10 AM

I'm thinking JAG is probably on the up and up about this, would make sense to me that the guy everyone can bid on doesn't want to kill mobsters. But would that have happened if the mobsters sent him after each other? That's where I don't know if I follow it, though it would reveal to one family the identity of one of the members of the other family.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm thinking JAG is probably on the up and up about this, would make sense to me that the guy everyone can bid on doesn't want to kill mobsters. But would that have happened if the mobsters sent him after each other? That's where I don't know if I follow it, though it would reveal to one family the identity of one of the members of the other family.

Right, we definitely can't discount the idea that they could still both be wolves.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

To the person who will know what I'm talking about. There is no service I am aware of that does it. I'll fill you in after the game.

I just noticed this post...WTF?

The Jackal · 02-16-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I just noticed this post...WTF?

I assume that's a response to someone who PM'ed him, which is probably CR since he said he was able to PM one person by the end of yesterday.

tyketime · 02-16-2011, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Actually, here's the funny thing. I decided to send Knuckles vs. saldana and he came back to me he wouldn't do the kill because sal is a mobster and doesn't want to get involved in mob activity. So that makes today easy.

Vote Saldana
Vote nightfall

I gotta say... this is an interesting twist. Especially in light of the new hit guy - Crazy Legs. His description is that he is not as "professional", and he will do "any hit". Putting those two pieces together, I'm also inclined to believe JAG. And if we're being played, then I vote this the top post of the thread.

Zinto · 02-16-2011, 09:24 AM

The only thing that I would be concerned about the reveal is if one mafia group takes out the other do they automatically win. So if Sal is the last member of the Lupino family Jag could be taking a calculated risk to win the game.

Zinto · 02-16-2011, 09:25 AM

And as I looked at the rules again I am not seeing anything about hidden victory conditions so I doubt they are in there.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 09:26 AM

From post 2:

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VICTORY CONDITIONS

The village wins when all mafia members are out of the game. Each mafia family wins a major victory if their family reaches a 1:1 ratio with the rest of the players (whether those are villagers or members of the other family). They earn a minor victory if the other mafia family is removed from play.

So I think we're okay.

Passacaglia · 02-16-2011, 09:28 AM

There is this, though:

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There may be some hidden roles or hidden victory conditions in the game, however.

But that might have been hoops and CR. Anyway, you have to get rid of one family before the other -- we can't eliminate them both at exactly the same time -- so I think we'll have to cede a minor victory to one of them.

02-15-2011, 11:14 PM	#1056
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Ah sweet Jesus two Mob members in a row? AWESOME, bout time we had some good luck __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

02-16-2011, 02:04 AM	#1057
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	How's this for nutty? Since both wolves we caught in Lathum's group were from the Lupino family, it's still likely that my logic from earlier holds, and we have at least one more wolf in the group, from the other family. Some money is coming from somewhere. I swung and missed on most of my bids. Nice $5 bids there. Goes to show we all should be betting even a little amount on all of the services, just in case. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

02-16-2011, 05:31 AM	#1058
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	No update yet, I'll can't check back in until after school. __________________ “I don’t like the Cubs,” Joey Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back."

02-15-2011, 08:37 PM	#1051
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I'm not feeling well, so I'm out for the night. I should, hopefully, be on time in the morning, but if not I'm probably just running late. Don't fret! And don't lynch anybody while I'm gone.

02-15-2011, 09:39 PM	#1054
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Lupino family getting hit hard! Nice one, guys.

02-16-2011, 07:31 AM	#1062
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Hey JAG, I'm here with 30 minutes to deadline. Want to talk?

02-16-2011, 08:07 AM	#1063
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Morning breaks in Vegas, gray and warm. Everyone flips on the TV news automatically now. But seems there's nothing new. Tiger attack in the casino. Three rappers dead. But nothing to do with you, or the mob. Seems you had a quiet night.

02-16-2011, 08:08 AM	#1064
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Good choice, JAG. We really don't want villagers killing villagers.

02-16-2011, 08:14 AM	#1065
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Actually, here's the funny thing. I decided to send Knuckles vs. saldana and he came back to me he wouldn't do the kill because sal is a mobster and doesn't want to get involved in mob activity. So that makes today easy. Vote Saldana Vote nightfall

02-16-2011, 08:16 AM	#1067
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I think it's very likely he's the last of the Lupinos.

02-16-2011, 08:17 AM	#1068
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	The services you can bid on today are: Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night Speedeez Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedeez will get it there Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town Black Market Services - "Crazy Legs" Louie - Maybe he's not as professional as Knuckles was, but he'll do any hit Bill Werthers, crooked cop - Not every cop in Vegas wears a white hat. This one can get you out of trouble, or someone else in it.

02-16-2011, 08:23 AM	#1071
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Also JAG, if you voted nightfall and are indeed okay with the day being over, you should place your bids now.

02-16-2011, 08:24 AM	#1072
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I doubt Jag would put himself on the line like this to get rid of Saldana if Saldana is proved a villager. Vote Saldana

02-16-2011, 08:27 AM	#1074
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	It looks like every time a wolf dies, they get access to a new Black Market category. Cool balancing mechanism.

02-16-2011, 08:30 AM	#1075
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Not if they don't bid on it!

02-16-2011, 08:36 AM	#1077
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Also, for the record, another 6,516 was spent last night, bringing the grand total to 25,995 over the four nights.

02-16-2011, 08:37 AM	#1078
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	To the person who will know what I'm talking about. There is no service I am aware of that does it. I'll fill you in after the game.

02-16-2011, 08:40 AM	#1080
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Assuming a villager won Lefty last night, I would be verycurious to know the outcome.

02-16-2011, 08:43 AM	#1084
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	But since we're talking money, sal, I've got no record of you spending money on anything. Do you think this might be a good time to reveal some of that info?

02-16-2011, 08:51 AM	#1087
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	FYI, the other people who I have absolutely no idea what they spent money on: tyketime mckerney cougarfreak

02-16-2011, 09:06 AM	#1089
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	you cant unvote nightfall (if autumn is even accepting nightfall votes) as far as my money goes, i havent spent any of it. I lost bids the first two nights i think, and then was robbed for most of my money one night, and then robbed again for the rest of it last night. i have no money, and won no bids.

02-16-2011, 09:08 AM	#1090
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Also, even though we have an obviously big issue to discuss already, we still have the Private Investigator and the Betting Parlor reveals. I don't think this is a reason to hold off on those, since we should get as much info out here as possible.

02-16-2011, 09:10 AM	#1092
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'm thinking JAG is probably on the up and up about this, would make sense to me that the guy everyone can bid on doesn't want to kill mobsters. But would that have happened if the mobsters sent him after each other? That's where I don't know if I follow it, though it would reveal to one family the identity of one of the members of the other family.

02-16-2011, 09:24 AM	#1097
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	The only thing that I would be concerned about the reveal is if one mafia group takes out the other do they automatically win. So if Sal is the last member of the Lupino family Jag could be taking a calculated risk to win the game.

02-16-2011, 09:25 AM	#1098
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	And as I looked at the rules again I am not seeing anything about hidden victory conditions so I doubt they are in there.

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