WW IL - Do Werewolves Dream of Electric Sheep? Game Over, page 36

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

sure you do...ever say you were human and really were a wolf?

women dont lie ntn.... we might fib a little, but no lying.

[RendeR]

In fact anyone below lathum in that list should be considered suspicious

[Telle]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Barkeep needs to step it up, usually he the post leader in every game

I was really pretty surprised that he was rather quiet through all the debate today.. figured he'd chime in with his opinion on things.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by RendeR

We need to consider NTN and Rum...talk about Under the radar....

Rum is ALWAYS like that though... when he comes home tonight around midnight he will spout off about 10 good posts though to catch up.

And ntn is usually under the radar, but i dont recall him being this much so

[RendeR]

Women are the essence of conspiracy....

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Telle

I was really pretty surprised that he was rather quiet through all the debate today.. figured he'd chime in with his opinion on things.

Probably means he is a werewolf.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am going to a AAA Baseball game now and I wont be home until late. Good luck fellas!

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Here's a more up to date one than cronin's:

Ardent – Barkeep(734), cronin(813), swags(814), telle(841), render(882), twothree(885)
Swaggs – AE(816)
Lathum – LSG(911)

Not voted: Alan T, Jonathan Ezarik, Chief Rum, Lathum, path12, ntndeacon

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

VOTE SWAGGS

Again, this is more of a vote in favor of AE, but there are some things about Swaggs that are rubbing me the wrong way.

1) He's been pushing hard for AE to get lynched for the past couple of days now. This is somewhat understandable since we all seem to think that one of the two is a replicant and he's doing his best to try to convince us that AE is the baddy. But in pushing for AE's exile, we won't learn if he really is a replicant or if he's a human. I've said this before, but why not let the Blade Runners do their job?

2) He wasn't surprised by KWhit's death and was real quick to tie it to AE. Like he expected it. And I don't buy for one second that KWhit was a Blade Runner.

3) Despite presenting the case against AE, he was the third vote for him today. If he's so sure of AE's guilt, why not vote for him right off the bat? Why wait for others to vote first and then follow?

Originally Posted by Alan T

Vote Swaggs

I'll go that direction as well. I still say if we lynch Swaggs, we should take out AE tommorrow (barring some reveal). I think Swaggs has talked a great game, but most of his thoughts or ideas about AE can just as easily be applied to him, and in most cases AE has done his reveals before Swaggs did. I'll be fine in getting rid of both Swaggs and AE, but just feel its better to start with Swaggs.

Originally Posted by Lathum

OK, sorry for the delay. I was catching up and eating.

I was scanned last night and learned the player who scanned me AND that the player was Holden as well.

Telle is lying unless it's possible for both Deckard and Holden to scan people and Deckard not to be found out.

I think it more likely she was either scanned last night by Deckard and not killed or Deckard attempted a kill on her.

2 scans a night seems high but considering the no role reveal there needs to be a balance somewhere and that may be it, as well as learning the scanners identity since that would make it easier to build a COT, even though it would have to be private.

I agree AE needs to go and probably swaggs but right now Telle should go first since she is lying and then we breach the AE/ Swaggs subject.

VOTE TELLE

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My cot has expanded significantly in the last few minutes.

unvote ardent enthusiast
vote Swaggs

Just going with my gut.

Lathum, do you think its plausible that Telle is human? Where do you place the odds that she is or is not human?

Originally Posted by RendeR

Wow, y'all post a lot in a short time. Lathum creates a connumdrum. Do I believe the two matching stories and resolve that Telle is a lying replicant?

Do I believe that lathum and St Cronin, two I will say INFAMOUS wolves, are again teamed up and are working together to cover themselves? Hrm, no, lets think about this. even if they DO create this cover story its easily debunked by the blade runner scanning someone completely out of the limelight and that person outing the results to compare.

Its only day 2, wolves don't make that mistake that early unless desperate. So I'm inclined to believe they are telling the truth here. I am also inclined to believe that Telle is also being truthful and was simply scanned by someone else(Deckard).

So if I eliminate all of them as trusted humans, I am brought back to AE and Swaggs as prime suspects. Path is flying under the radar this game, LSG is too busy to be a replicant =), and Alan T...well, he's been cooking up some interesting theories, but his logic doesn't hold as new info comes out, not sure where to go on him.

UNVOTE ARDENT

Too many Ifs right now. I may come back to that.

Originally Posted by path12

OK, I have a couple meetings coming up, so I need to get a provisional vote in.

I think our best bet right now is to have AE and Swaggs neck and neck and see what kind of moves happen around deadline. I don't buy either the Lathum or Telle vote at this time, and I'm not going to toss one out on someone with none at this point.

So by my count right now it's 4-4, so as far as I'm concerned it's a coin flip.
*flip*

VOTE ARDENT

You were heads. Back later.

Ardent – Barkeep(734), swaggs(814), telle(841), twothree(885)
Swaggs – AE(816), JE, Alan T, cronin
Lathum – LSG(911)
Telle - Lathum

Not voted: Chief Rum, ntndeacon, render


There ya go...complete with quotes/links to the posts.

[Poli]

Sigh, guess I'm missing out on a LSG switch. Dang. No LSG, No BK. I'm sucking.

[Poli]

Ardent – Barkeep(734), swaggs(814), telle(841), twothree(885), path
Swaggs – AE(816), JE, Alan T, cronin
Lathum – LSG(911)
Telle - Lathum

Not voted: Chief Rum, ntndeacon, render

Forgot about path's vote for me. I need someone to love me.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by path12

Useful at times. I'm right about where I always am count-wise. You want to look at UTR by post count, look at ntn.

and you can do that just about every game too

[ntndeacon]

I will go along with the change in momentum. haven't really been convinced on AE's guilt. so...
Vote Swaggs

[Poli]

woohoo!

[Poli]

Ardent – Barkeep(734), swaggs(814), telle(841), twothree(885), path
Swaggs – AE(816), JE, Alan T, cronin, ntn (1062)
Lathum – LSG(911)
Telle - Lathum

Not voted: Chief Rum, render

[RendeR]

Did Rum say he would be out tonight or has he just not been in to vote yet?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Some thoughts on Tyrell/Sebastien and Swaggs and AE.

The similar memories seems to indicate at least one of these two is a replicant, likely Leon. I find it hard to believe in a Blade Runner game that two such players could share a memory, and not have at least one replicant there. I don't believe they're both replicants. because the rules suggest there are three, and I don't believe Priss or Roy would have matching memories with a human and allow that fact to get out. Leon I could see as a potential convert who doesn't realize he is a replicant, but not the other two.

Since I think one of either AE or Swaggs is a replicant, I don't think either are Tyrell or Sebastien. I don't think you would have a standout "shared dream" involving a major role, as that would be a lightning bolt for attention. It would be a possible death threat to Tyrell or Sebastien, especially considering their demise is tied into the wolves' "quick victory".

So for that reason, I recommend we do not protect AE or Swaggs but instead other potential Sebastiens or Tyrells, assuming we haven't lost the BG yet. I do recommend that Deckard consider scanning (if he already hasn't) and taking out one of the two, but take care--if the replicant among the two is indeed Leon, he could kill Deckard in the attempt, according to the rules.

I will be around again in the late afternoon, as I was today, although I am hoping to be home much sooner.

His last post...early this morning...like 1 am.

[Poli]

I'd like to petition to delete two of those posts. That was definitely unintentional.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'd like to petition to delete two of those posts. That was definitely unintentional.

Sorry, you have to leave them up. If only because othrewise your post, and now this one, won't make sense.

[RendeR]

LOL

[Poli]

Duly noted. Sometimes I hate this board. That happens to me more than I'd like. I'm typing and voila, I either get kicked back to the previous page or it goes ahead and posts what I'm typing.

I wonder if there's some sort of hot key I'm not aware of.

[Passacaglia]

Just make sure that when you're checking post counts, that you don't mind if someone thinks you're viewing the thread.

[Poli]

Yeah, pass, I'll never play a game like that again.

[twothree]

RendeR's argument earlier in the day had convinced me to vote AE, but I see he took his vote back. Hmmm.. And, st. cronin switched his vote from AE to Swaggs.

Did any new facts come to light? Guess I'll go back and reread the last few pages.

[Alan T]

no, no new facts. Just he said, she said between swaggs and AE. Both pretty much the same in my eyes, but due to circumstantial evidence, I would rather lynch Swaggs first then AE. But i think we are foolish to only lynch one of them short of some very convincing evidence.

[Poli]

23, not really. At least not that I can tell. My only arguments are
1. I know I'm not a replicant.
2. If finding replicants were as easy as let's get rid of everyone who had the same dream, this would be an all too easy game.
3. Based on the concept of #2, why should anyone believe swaggs over me? Because I voted for kwhit?

[Poli]

I'm about out for the hour for some BB watching (on hold till wife comes in the room). Looks like it will take me through the deadline. I'll pop in and out, but I don't want to be glared at by my wife...so I probably won't post much after she comes into the living room.

[Poli]

My last pitch before the deadline:

I'm just your ordinary human. Shipping me off would be a mistake...not a huge mistake obviously, or I would have role revealed...but I'd hate to know that I got sent out on the weak argument of "AE must be bad because he voted for kwhit". I know swaggs did some sort of spinning to come up with some concept that kwhit must have realized right off the bat I was bad...it's hogwash, but when you don't have material, you start looking for anything you can find.

I'm not sold swaggs is bad, either...but he's pushing me. If it saves me, I'm okay with letting him go. After all, I know I'm good, I don't know if he is.

With that, I'll cross my fingers and hope 23 or render help me out here.

[Poli]

I'll expound more on this kwhit thing while I have a brief minute.

It's a headache to believe that I'd vote for, then have killed, a person voting for me if I were a replicant. Clearly I was going to be in the limelight today. Clearly. Killing kwhit would have put even more of a focus on me.

All right, I'm out. Wife's here.

[twothree]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

23, not really. At least not that I can tell. My only arguments are
1. I know I'm not a replicant.
2. If finding replicants were as easy as let's get rid of everyone who had the same dream, this would be an all too easy game.
3. Based on the concept of #2, why should anyone believe swaggs over me? Because I voted for kwhit?

1. I still think it's either you or Swaggs
2. But no one had to reveal their dreams, and no one did at first until you mentioned yours. However, the only other WW game I have played in was the previous game that tanglewood hosted, and in it the descriptions were pretty accurate. My thinking now is either you or Swaggs is Leon. And either Telle or st. cronin is Priss, since both had sex dreams. I still don't know who Roy might be.
3. I voted for kwhit both nights. And, the wolves killed kwhit, an innocent human. So, no one should believe anything I have to say.

[Swaggs]

I just that, if you vote for me today, you get AE tomorrow.

If he is Leon, it is better to lynch him than let a Blade Runner try to kill him.

I have yet to hear a convincing argument why, if I was a wolf, I would tie myself to AE on day 1 and go through all of this, but folks like Alan and st.cronin seem to think it is feasible.

[Telle]

What do people think about the Bladerunners killing tonight instead of scanning?

[RendeR]

The problem is, if we lynch one and shoot the other tonight, we run the risk of leon (if thats who it is) taking our bladerunner with him.

ponderances.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Telle

What do people think about the Bladerunners killing tonight instead of scanning?

They can kill ME tonight, this game is rediculously frustrating

[Chief Rum]

Okay, someone give me an update on the days events, please.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by RendeR

They can kill ME tonight, this game is rediculously frustrating

Yeah I think I've turned cynical.. my feelings right now are along the lines of "kill 'em all and let god (Tangle) sort 'em out"

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I just that, if you vote for me today, you get AE tomorrow.

If he is Leon, it is better to lynch him than let a Blade Runner try to kill him.

I have yet to hear a convincing argument why, if I was a wolf, I would tie myself to AE on day 1 and go through all of this, but folks like Alan and st.cronin seem to think it is feasible.

I guess its a testament to your defense skills that I was not convinced Right now I'm perfectly fine with lynching both of you.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Okay, someone give me an update on the days events, please.

Swaggs: AE is evil, I'm good, kill him!
Ardent: You all are crazy, Swaggs is evil, I'm good, kill him!
Cronin: Holden scanned me, I know it and who it is
Telle: Cronin lies, I was told who scanned me but not which character when I was scanned, he must be bad!
Lathum: I got the same message cronin got, Kill Telle!!
Ntndeacon: *whispers*

[Alan T]

My apologies to everyone else who played a smaller role in the casting of this movie. Your parts were left on the cutting room floor.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

My apologies to everyone else who played a smaller role in the casting of this movie. Your parts were left on the cutting room floor.

Well played sir, well played.

[path12]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Forgot about path's vote for me. I need someone to love me.

You know I love ya big fella.

[RendeR]

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST


Sorry AE, but i trust more of the people voting for you than I do the ones voting for Swaggs. But don't worry, we'll shoot him later

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Its funny that hoops has almost as many posts as ntndeacon

I'll outpost Bullet by the end of this game

[path12]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

and you can do that just about every game too

Yeah, I know. Just making the point about my supposed utr.....

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Yeah, I know. Just making the point about my supposed utr.....

[Poli]

Originally Posted by RendeR

...don't worry, we'll shoot him later

I hope you're right.

[path12]

Originally Posted by twothree

And either Telle or st. cronin is Priss, since both had sex dreams.

That's an interesting take which hadn't crossed my mind at all. I tend to believe that the dream content is random, but that's still something to think about.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, it's Ardent versus Swaggs. After all this, still that, huh? The three people who have revealed being scanned (according to Alan) are all on different players, including one on one of the others.

I haven't read the past five pages yet, so kinda shooting in the dark. But if I have it right, AE is one up on Swaggs, meaning I can tie it up or kill off AE.

Did we ever find out what the tie mechanism is? I am leaning to tying this one up and seeing what happens (called the "throw sh-- at the wall and see what sticks" theory).

So that's what I am doing. Reserving right to change in next ten minutes should something definitive change my mind.

VOTE SWAGGS

[path12]

We don't know the exact tie mechanism. At least I haven't seen anything about it.

[path12]

Dinner. Back soon.

[RendeR]

Last night it was the person getting the lead in votes first that got shipped off. So if that holds true AE is done anyway. If not, who knows...