COVID-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (a non-political thread, see pg. 36 #1778)

[tarcone]

Illinois shutters all schools.

4 cases in Missouri now. 2 near St. Louis (East), 1 in Springfield (SW), 1 in Jefferson City (Central).

Only a matter of time.

I wonder how many cases Missouri has had that went undetected. Or the world for that matter.

[kingfc22]

I thought Trump guaranteed the US cases would be at zero by now.

[spleen1015]

I think this is worth a read.

COVID-19 Prep Update- March 14:

Last night I was on with state & local officials around the US well into the night. By March 23 many of our largest cities & hospitals are on course to be overrun with cases.

I am going to prepare a memo for them. I will share highlights here.1/

— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) March 14, 2020

[Edward64]

Yeah Fauci, you go. Doing a great straight talk at the news conference.

Person of the Year for me.


Ben Carson ... WTF? The surgeon general arguably and definitely you are redundant and waste of news conference time.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I think this is worth a read.

COVID-19 Prep Update- March 14:

Last night I was on with state & local officials around the US well into the night. By March 23 many of our largest cities & hospitals are on course to be overrun with cases.

I am going to prepare a memo for them. I will share highlights here.1/

— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) March 14, 2020

Interesting that he's publicly questioning whether to close schools in that thread Andy Slavitt on Twitter: "From every expert I have talked to, I am less convinced that schools should be closed. Either way, open or closed, there are about 8-10 items that need to be considered including meals, childcare (keep granny away), parent sanity�, etc. I recommend giving parents the option. 14/"

Oh well, meanwhile Boston Public Schools announced they're closed until April 27, I imagine the rest of that state won't be too far behind. Down here Charlotte just moved spring break from April to next week - I don't doubt they'll close longer, but I don't hate that move to buy some time instead of making a snap decision with all the uncertainty. In less comforting news the county of 10 million people has 3 test kits (and the state says when we use those 3 they can send 3 more!) https://www.charlotteobserver.com/ne...241163021.html (Obviously there's a lot of hospitals here that have a higher stockpile, but that kinda puts a hard data point on just how badly that was bungled.)

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

It was just a matter of time until it reached within the borders of our country. The virus is now about 60 miles away, an hour drive by car.

Hard to believe that post was just 14 days before the semi-lockdown from 2 days ago. In those 14 days it went from: "we have 1 case there, everybody in near contact will be tested" to 800+ positive tests, with roughly 20% of the positives being hospital employees. Today, testing strictly reserved for those with at least a fever. 12 fatalities have been reported on 959 positive tests, 136 of them have been hospitalized, all 12 said to be "already very sick, this virus destroyed their chances of survival." Surely we'll hit the 1k mark (on a population of 17M) by tomorrow. I'm fully expecting more restrictions to be announced in the upcoming week.

The higher standards for testing will be very misleading towards whether there's an increase or decrease of positive cases. Those restrictions appear to be happening all over the globe. Also, looking at some maps of infected places, seeing Iceland, Malta and Hawaii (to name a few) and recent days the Caribbean getting infected, global traveling has clearly helped this virus spread fast. (It surely has been the case within the boundaries of Northern America as well.)

[Edward64]

Good news conference overall considering the lack of info and the oblivious Trump show on Wed. A couple irrelevant speakers, some premature & exaggerated info (e.g. Google flub) but overall a good trajectory ... keep it up and get better on accuracy re: what you say others are doing.

Testing is the big one for me, when they start providing daily metrics and showing real progress there.

[cartman]

keep it up and get better on accuracy

Have you not paid attention at all to this administration?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by cartman

Have you not paid attention at all to this administration?

You don't see any progress from the Wed oblivious Trump show?

[thesloppy]

Mother Nature helping to push the apocalypse hype, as it's snowing pretty heavily in Portland, Oregon in the middle of March.

[BYU 14]

Salt Lake PD FTW
SLC Police Dept. on Twitter: "Due to the confirmed case of #COVIDー19 from community spread, SLCPD is asking all criminal activities/nefarious behavior to cease until further notice. We appreciate your anticipated cooperation in halting crime & thank criminals in advance. #SocialDistancingNow #behaveyourself… https://t.co/mvS7Iz8JvH"

[Brian Swartz]

I'm not even sure how much the increased testing helps, since I've heard multiple places that the test for it isn't very reliable and gives a lot of false negatives. I mean every person quarantined helps flatten the curve here, but it doesn't catch all of it.

[PilotMan]

Aviation is feeling fucked right now.



Our April bids were supposed to be completed this morning, but the company and Union agreed to resubmit the trip packets for April. The news about Delta cutting 40% of it's flights was big news, and I'm sure we are next to follow now with those same numbers. Far more than post 9/11.


There is beginning to be a firm understanding that layoffs are coming. One estimate said that this could cost the industry as a whole over 100 billion dollars. Just to aviation.



It's not going to happen tomorrow, but the drawdown will have an accordion effect and you're going to see some of the weaker carriers possibly head into bankruptcy or disappear altogether.



This is quite a shock needless to say.

[Lathum]

Honest Government Ad | Coronavirus: Flatten The Curve - YouTube

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Edward64

You don't see any progress from the Wed oblivious Trump show?

Considering he sent a signed copy of Friday's stock market chart, no.

[cartman]

Just found out that the father of a friend of mine in Milan passed away from the coronavirus.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by cartman

Considering he sent a signed copy of Friday's stock market chart, no.

We are using 2 different criteria I guess on these news conferences. You judge based on Trump. I judge based on overall content.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

We are using 2 different criteria I guess on these news conferences. You judge based on Trump. I judge based on overall content.

He still lied multiple times, and took credit for things he didn't do. So, no.

[Edward64]

This is pretty cool. Not sure if it'll happen in Manhattan if there is a lockdown. Probably too busy tik tok, facetime etc.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/14/coro...balconies.html

Videos have been shared on social media of Italian citizens singing and dancing during a nationwide lockdown amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The videos, from various cities and towns, show people singing from balconies and windows in an attempt to boost morale, with all non-essential shops and services still closed in the country.

Italy is one of the worst affected countries in the world by COVID-19, with 17,660 confirmed cases and 1,266 deaths, according to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University. That’s the largest outbreak outside of China.

EDIT: tbf, Manhattan probably doesn't have as many balconies.

[stevew]

Just In Time* inventory is proving to be a colossal failure.

[Ben E Lou]

All NC Schools closed for two weeks by order of the governor.

[Young Drachma]

Portland schools out until the end of the month, but some private schools have announced 3 week breaks with "online learning" before the breaks themselves. No school sports until at least April, if at all. Have noticed a slow down of folks for sure in the streets, but restaurants are either slow or packed as normal depending on which ones.

Hard to judge here since it's a rare snow day, too. Will be interesting to see how it evolves.

[QuikSand]

I fear we are still not doing enough. Have friends out barhopping, our legislators are weighing finishing the last 3 weeks of their session, and so forth. Our obvious model is Italy (not South Korea) and in ten days much of the US could look like Italy does now and we’ll have a lot of people with profound regret over what they did up until they realized what was happening.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I fear we are still not doing enough. Have friends out barhopping, our legislators are weighing finishing the last 3 weeks of their session, and so forth. Our obvious model is Italy (not South Korea) and in ten days much of the US could look like Italy does now and we’ll have a lot of people with profound regret over what they did up until they realized what was happening.

If what the medical folks are saying regarding the speed of the spread, I agree with you 100%. A pretty big swath of the populace is heeding no warnings at all.

[IlliniCub]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Aviation is feeling fucked right now.



Our April bids were supposed to be completed this morning, but the company and Union agreed to resubmit the trip packets for April. The news about Delta cutting 40% of it's flights was big news, and I'm sure we are next to follow now with those same numbers. Far more than post 9/11.


There is beginning to be a firm understanding that layoffs are coming. One estimate said that this could cost the industry as a whole over 100 billion dollars. Just to aviation.



It's not going to happen tomorrow, but the drawdown will have an accordion effect and you're going to see some of the weaker carriers possibly head into bankruptcy or disappear altogether.



This is quite a shock needless to say.

I imagine a lot of industries are going to be in similar circumstances before it's all said and done, sadly. I hope things work out for you and by some miracle this crisis is shorter than we anticipate.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I fear we are still not doing enough. Have friends out barhopping, our legislators are weighing finishing the last 3 weeks of their session, and so forth. Our obvious model is Italy (not South Korea) and in ten days much of the US could look like Italy does now and we’ll have a lot of people with profound regret over what they did up until they realized what was happening.

This.

Normally my daughter dances at all sorts of St. Patrick's Day events. She's not going to dance, but so far all the indoor events are still going on.

[GrantDawg]

Georgia's primary had now been delayed until May. The governor is also calling up 2,000 National Guardsmen to support medical services.

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[JPhillips]

Almost 10K new cases globally today.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I fear we are still not doing enough. Have friends out barhopping, our legislators are weighing finishing the last 3 weeks of their session, and so forth. Our obvious model is Italy (not South Korea) and in ten days much of the US could look like Italy does now and we’ll have a lot of people with profound regret over what they did up until they realized what was happening.

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

If what the medical folks are saying regarding the speed of the spread, I agree with you 100%. A pretty big swath of the populace is heeding no warnings at all.

I am floored at how little people care about this. We are so selfish as a nation. Will it kill you to stay in on a Saturday night.

[Lathum]

Times reporting Trump tested negative for the virus

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Times reporting Trump tested negative for the virus

Let's wait a couple days to see if MSM digs anything up and Admin has to clarify.

[tarcone]

I have swung way around to this all hype. Is it deadly? Yes. But it is killing the old that are weks. Is that insensitive? Yes.

But at what point do we go back to living our lives? When does the hype stop?

Think of the hysteria if we gave this much time to the flu?

Call me callous. Call me an asshole. I own it.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Times reporting Trump tested negative for the virus

Damn

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Times reporting Trump tested negative for the virus

Improbable but on brand for the new normal here in the USSA.

Also likely he’s been vaccinated against basically anything but they could never confirm that. Would also likely apply to Biden as well

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am floored at how little people care about this. We are so selfish as humanity. Will it kill you to stay in on a Saturday night.

Fixed that for ya. This isn't just a thing in the USA, it's humanity at it's best or worst.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Times reporting Trump tested negative for the virus

This should surprise nobody. as we will be hearing soon he has the strongest, best immune system ever!!

[tarcone]

JOE BIDEN HAS IT

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by tarcone

JOE BIDEN HAS IT

link?

[Thomkal]

RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel is quarantining at home awaiting test results after showing flu-like symptoms

[molson]

My girlfriend works at Whole Foods. Basically the front lines right behind the medical providers. That makes us both very vulnerable. On the bright side, her job is certainly safe. I feel bad for the people in restaurants, especially those relying on tips. The RAM brewery restaurant in town is taking 50% off everything.

Neither of us has ever had the regular flu. So the whole, "don't touch anything, flee when people cough, keep distances" is all pretty new to us, I've never been close to a germaphobe, and I've never had an experience in life where I got sick from some clearly distinct source, like from someone else I knew to be sick. But I'm taking every easy precaution so I don't feel like a dumbass if I get it.

Grocery stores are holding up OK aside from toilet paper. Much better than the photos I'm seeing from back home in Massachusetts.

Home Depot was packed with people buying regular Home Depot stuff. I think people are looking to knock out some home improvement projects they've been putting off.

Edit: I keep reading people saying we're not doing enough, but, I'm still stunned that we're doing so much. Nobody predicted all this just a few days ago. We are not merely reacting to illness and its impact in the United States, we are preparing based on what health professionals are telling us can happen and what has happened in other countries (which, if you dig below some of the worst stories and read about what regular people are doing - is not quite as catastrophic as you might think). I'm honestly kind of impressed. And I know it's easy to be cynical about corporations but the airlines, travel companies, stubhub, shit like that, have all been remarkably easy to deal with for all the plans I had to cancel in the last few days. I know Amazon has offered extra paid leave to any Whole Foods employee who gets sick or has a sickness in their household. And I'm seeing and hearing about so much kindness around town. People on my neighborhood facebook group offering to do shopping for people who feel too vulnerable to leave the house, people giving up toilet paper to others who were too late in getting it, people patronizing local stores who need some help getting through this. I think we're doing pretty good, all things considered.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by tarcone

I have swung way around to this all hype. Is it deadly? Yes. But it is killing the old that are weks. Is that insensitive? Yes.

But at what point do we go back to living our lives? When does the hype stop?

Think of the hysteria if we gave this much time to the flu?

Call me callous. Call me an asshole. I own it.

Over half the ICU cases in France are under 60. I hope you and your loved ones stay safe.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by molson

My girlfriend works at Whole Foods. Basically the front lines right behind the medical providers. That makes us both very vulnerable. On the bright side, her job is certainly safe. I feel bad for the people in restaurants, especially those relying on tips. The RAM brewery restaurant in town is taking 50% off everything.

Neither of us has ever had the regular flu. So the whole, "don't touch anything, flee when people cough, keep distances" is all pretty new to us, I've never been close to a germaphobe, and I've never had an experience in life where I got sick from some clearly distinct source, like from someone else I knew to be sick. But I'm taking every easy precaution so I don't feel like a dumbass if I get it.

Grocery stores are holding up OK aside from toilet paper. Much better than the photos I'm seeing from back home in Massachusetts.

Home Depot was packed with people buying regular Home Depot stuff. I think people are looking to knock out some home improvement projects they've been putting off.

We're on round 2 of the grocery store apocalypse. We had the initial craze a couple of weeks ago and then with schools getting canceled for 6 weeks we're going through it all over again. Toilet paper, water, cleaning products, and soups are sold out at Safeway again. The toilet paper and water thing still blows my mind. I have no idea why people are buying these like there's going to be a shortage.

I'm waiting for mandatory testing at work. It will be interesting to see if I pop a positive after likely getting it 2-3 weeks ago.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It will be interesting to see if I pop a positive after likely getting it 2-3 weeks ago.

You may have posted about it here, but how long were you sick for?

I think there's a good chance it went through my office at about the same time (I'm one state over from you). About 50% of my supervisors and the support staff were out at some point over a period of a week or so, with a fever and coughing. They're all back, and the office is at fuller capacity now than it was then.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by molson

You may have posted about it here, but how long were you sick for?

I think there's a good chance it went through my office at about the same time (I'm one state over from you). About 50% of my supervisors and the support staff were out at some point over a period of a week or so, with a fever and coughing. They're all back, and the office is at fuller capacity now than it was then.

So I started feeling some slight shortness of breath around the 26th of Feb, the 29th I developed a cough, the 1st I had a fever and the cough was getting worse, and then the headache hit. The headache was what really stuck out to me (it was awful) and after reading about other people's experience with it that's what made me nearly certain I had it. I missed work the 2nd and that's the day the fever finally broke. The 3rd was the first day since the 29th that I actually got up and started moving around.

I did go back to work on the 4th, but I work IT and it's easy for me to isolate myself and not have contact with others where I work. When I got back I found out that someone I work with started showing the same symptoms a couple of days before me and had been out as well.

My son ended up showing symptoms on the 3rd, but it was a much milder version. His cough cleared up after a couple of days and although he had a higher fever (102.5) it lasted less than 24 hours. The fact that his was more mild than mine further convinced me that it's what I had. Typically whenever we pass something between us I end up with the milder symptoms.

I'd say 2 weeks is roughly how long I was sick. My son for about a week. I started feeling light symptoms on the 26th and they ramped up from there. Last weekend was when actually started to feel myself again.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am floored at how little people care about this. We are so selfish as a nation. Will it kill you to stay in on a Saturday night.

This one takes the cake. The co-owner of a local private daycare facility posted pics this evening from a bar crawl. She was in close proximity to dozens of people tonight. Just checked her daycare’s web site and FB page, and as of right now, they’re still planning to open on Monday. So she and her hubby will go home, interact with their kids, and then on Monday, she and her kids will be in close proximity to dozens of other kids.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am floored at how little people care about this. We are so selfish as a nation. Will it kill you to stay in on a Saturday night.

Yeah it really pisses me.off too. Especially people sharing on social media that they are out doing things and having a good time. Fuck you I dont want you to die but how about you get really fucking sick? It's so seffish.

[panerd]

A friend of mine is with her kids at like an amusement center with bounce houses. And she will be the first one all over facebook if her kids get sick or they give it to grandma. Just so irresponsible but they also go out to parties at friends and drink excessively normally. Just dont understand humanity sometimes.

[Edward64]

Dropped by Kroger just to get some additional meals/food (son & roommate coming back).

• Potatoes, tomatoes, some fruits are gone. Still quite a lot of fresh vegetables
• Meats are noticeably low (but we did 2 racks of ribs). Lots of frozen shrimp, fish
• Lots of canned food but many of my favorites are gone e.g. Chunky Steak & Potatoes
• Pasta was very low but still decent amount of pasta sauce
• Toilet paper gone, paper towels still available
• Eggs gone, milk still around, bread available but low
• Lots of cereal, flour, sugar, cooking oil
• Frozen pizza noticeably low supply
• Lots of water, soda, beer, wine
• Lots of Ice cream, frozen vegetables, low frozen breakfast biscuits

I think toilet paper is herd mentality but I don't blame anyone. The problem is lack of communication from the businesses to reassure people that more is on the way, can meet the demand etc. (same with hand sanitizers etc.)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by panerd

Yeah it really pisses me.off too. Especially people sharing on social media that they are out doing things and having a good time. Fuck you I dont want you to die but how about you get really fucking sick? It's so seffish.

My wife was supposed to do a girls night tonight organized by one of our good friends. Our friend cancelled it for obvious reasons, ans one of the other girls apparently got all bent out of shape. Said she was going to live her life, overreaction, even if she gets sick she isn't an at risk group, etc...

The kicker, her 70 year old mother with emphysema lives with her. Our friend tried to explain and she just didn't care.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

That seems likely, yes.

It's dawning on the political class less "well known" as well... I work in public policy, and the likelihood of multiple people I know professionally dying from this seems very real.

The NY state legislature now has two confirmed cases. They're shutting down the state capitol building.

Meanwhile, here in MD, ours are still working long days and have no plan how to finish up. Of our 47 Senators, 13 are 68 or over. This is not some sort of fucking joke. In your effort to finish up some goddamned dog licensing bill, you're going to get somebody fucking killed out here.