The 2013-2014 NFL Offseason/Coaching/Free Agency (non-draft) Thread

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

hey that's my beloved Cards great defense.

If the strategy was "make sure to cover everyone but LaFell, he can't catch shit", then it was executed to perfection

[CU Tiger]

I've heard the Panthers intend to draft "as many as 3 WRs"...

Sure this is a deep draft at WR but thats a recipe for disaster Id think.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I've heard the Panthers intend to draft "as many as 3 WRs"...

Sure this is a deep draft at WR but thats a recipe for disaster Id think.

Especially when they need to draft as many as 3 OL as well.

[bulletsponge]

why in the world are the Panthers in such a tough cap spot? its not like they had a bunch of good talent to sign, and Newton (whom im not convinced will be any better than a solid QB) is still on his rookie contract isnt he?

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Speaking of Emmanuel Sanders, time to get the popcorn out...

Emmanuel Sanders deal draws executives crying foul - NFL.com

Not sure I see the problem. Teams can pull the plug on a deal anytime prior to signing.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

why in the world are the Panthers in such a tough cap spot? its not like they had a bunch of good talent to sign, and Newton (whom im not convinced will be any better than a solid QB) is still on his rookie contract isnt he?

Their old GM was a maniac. Look at those Stewart and Williams contracts.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

why in the world are the Panthers in such a tough cap spot?

Marty Hurney was an unbelievably awful GM. Massive contracts given both to DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, equally huge deal for LB Jon Beason who spent 2 seasons injured, and paying Charles Johnson (a very good DE who I like a ton but certainly not a top 5 DE) as if he were the best defensive lineman in the NFL are the biggest offenses.


To make the cap issues worse, at the same time they were paying their RB's an incredible amount of money, they were bringing in Mike Tolbert (a great pickup), and giving Cam Newton ~28% of the team's carries, so... why mortage the future for Williams/Stewart and then cut their carries massively?

Also, you know how the Patriots and Eagles and a few other teams are constantly praised for trading 3rd round picks for future 2nd rounders, 2nd rounders for future first rounders and getting great value from teams? Yeah... Carolina under Hurney very frequently traded up in the 3rd round and gave away future 2nd's.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Radii

Marty Hurney was an unbelievably awful GM. Massive contracts given both to DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, equally huge deal for LB Jon Beason who spent 2 seasons injured, and paying Charles Johnson (a very good DE who I like a ton but certainly not a top 5 DE) as if he were the best defensive lineman in the NFL are the biggest offenses.


To make the cap issues worse, at the same time they were paying their RB's an incredible amount of money, they were bringing in Mike Tolbert (a great pickup), and giving Cam Newton ~28% of the team's carries, so... why mortage the future for Williams/Stewart and then cut their carries massively?

Also, you know how the Patriots and Eagles and a few other teams are constantly praised for trading 3rd round picks for future 2nd rounders, 2nd rounders for future first rounders and getting great value from teams? Yeah... Carolina under Hurney very frequently traded up in the 3rd round and gave away future 2nd's.

And then there was the infamous trade in the 2009 draft to get DE Everette Brown. They trade their first round pick for the 2010 draft to get him in the second round and Brown completely busted. Cut after two seasons he bounced around a few teams ending up in Dallas where he played in a few games...and was just cut in late Feb.

[CU Tiger]

Or trading two future 2s for a 3 to draft Armanti Edwards...a D2 QB most famous for QB'ing App St to the upset over Michigan.

The thing was they intended to convert him to a WR and according to at least 1 agent Carolina was the only team to speak to Edwards or his agent leading up to the draft.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Or trading two future 2s for a 3 to draft Armanti Edwards...a D2 QB most famous for QB'ing App St to the upset over Michigan.

The thing was they intended to convert him to a WR and according to at least 1 agent Carolina was the only team to speak to Edwards or his agent leading up to the draft.

This was absolutely the highlight of the Marty Hurney era, its not even close.

[cubboyroy1826]

So would you say that Rivera did a lot with a little last year? Sounds like they are as bad Jerry Angelo when it came to the draft.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Radii

This was absolutely the highlight of the Marty Hurney era, its not even close.

Being forced to tag Peppers at a 17m+ figure on a cap of approx 110m and then not being able to retain him was pretty damn astute management. As was, and my timeline might be off here, but the Peppers contract screwed them so bad they ended up having to pay Dellhommes a huge contract and then paid him 14m one season NOT to play for the team.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by stevew

pay Dellhommes a huge contract and then paid him 14m one season NOT to play for the team.

Well that's just money well spent (Anyone who read NFL threads knew I wanted Delhomme gone years before his 6 INT game against Arizona that broke him for good).

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Radii

This is basically what I think New England is getting.

He should fit right in.

[DaddyTorgo]

vomit

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Radii

Well that's just money well spent (Anyone who read NFL threads knew I wanted Delhomme gone years before his 6 INT game against Arizona that broke him for good).

No doubt...the fact that he looked like a competent NFL QB is my all time testament to Fox's coaching ability AND lack of talent evaluation

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Radii

Well that's just money well spent (Anyone who read NFL threads knew I wanted Delhomme gone years before his 6 INT game against Arizona that broke him for good).

I remember that game fondly

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Radii

This was absolutely the highlight of the Marty Hurney era, its not even close.

jeez, even Matt Millen never did bad deals like that

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Or trading two future 2s for a 3 to draft Armanti Edwards...a D2 QB most famous for QB'ing App St to the upset over Michigan.

The thing was they intended to convert him to a WR and according to at least 1 agent Carolina was the only team to speak to Edwards or his agent leading up to the draft.

Yeah that would be the worst trade he made-how someone didn't stop him and say let's rethink this I don't know.

[stevew]

I think it was only 1 #2 pick for edwards, but it was the first pick in the 2nd round.

Regardless he was garbage.

[Thomkal]

Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay arrested for DWI | Fox News

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay arrested for DWI | Fox News

Is anyone here really surprised?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Is anyone here really surprised?

Are we going to make the same complaints in this thread about an owner as a player? Dude, why are you driving yourself anywhere, get a driver. Too cheap to pay a taxi? People look up to man! Such a waste of a draft pick.

[Logan]

Twitter is chock full of those comments. Owners also fall under the personal conduct policy.

[albionmoonlight]

I'm shocked. Shocked that he hasn't tweeted about it yet.

[stevew]

Sounds like he mixed Xanax and some wine or something. The horrors of failing to use a turn signal!

[Matthean]

Such a hard nosed guy.

Jim Harbaugh Does Push-ups with a Walrus

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Is anyone here really surprised?

Kind of. They guy is a billionaire and couldnt bribe his way out of this. Must need some negotiation or social(drunk) interaction classes.

Oh ya, and like has been previously mentioned. Why he would be driving in the first place?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Oh ya, and like has been previously mentioned. Why he would be driving in the first place?

Just because you can afford to have someone drive you around doesn't mean you do. Some people might like to still drive. Driving with drugs involved? Arrogance.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Such a hard nosed guy.

Jim Harbaugh Does Push-ups with a Walrus

I actually think Jim is teh Harbaugh I would get along better with in real life

[cartman]

The Cowboys found the missing piece of their Super Bowl puzzle. Brandon Weeden signed a two year deal to back up Romo.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by cartman

The Cowboys found the missing piece of their Super Bowl puzzle. Brandon Weeden signed a two year deal to back up Romo.

I'll never understand why Jones won't get the hell out of the driver's seat? He's spent twenty years mired in mediocrity trying to prove it wasn't Jimmy Johnson who built the Super Bowl winners of the 90's.

[Thomkal]

I'm glad the Cowboys are securing the future after Romo.

[chadritt]

I went to wikipedia just to check this: Weeden is seriously only 3 years younger than Romo?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by chadritt

I went to wikipedia just to check this: Weeden is seriously only 3 years younger than Romo?

Are you suggesting he wasn't worth a 1st round pick?

[sabotai]

Giants sign Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to a 5 year, $35 million deal. They also signed Walter Thurmond recently, so they went and filled in some of the empty space I was worried about at CB.

Now, if history holds up, Amukamara, DRC and Thurmond will all be injured, with at least one on season ending IR, but Week 1.

[sabotai]

I was never really big on DRC and felt he was overrated (but still good enough to be a #2 CB on most teams, #1 on the others - but I can't say I've seen him play all that much, outside of his stay with the Eagles). This comes from the Blue Screen blog and does not make me feel good about the signing...

That's quite a drop from the six-year, $54 million offer that Rodgers-Cromartie had gotten from the Broncos before free agency began. But it's still a lot more than it appeared the Giants would be able to spend. According to a source, the two sides were far apart when negotiations began when he arrived for his visit on Sunday.


The gap, however, was closed after he took his physical on Monday morning.

Well then....

[Pyser]

there were articles saying 6/54 was never real. it was built to be a 3/24m deal. id assume this giants deal also lets the team out after 3 or so if need be...

[molson]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Just because you can afford to have someone drive you around doesn't mean you do. Some people might like to still drive. Driving with drugs involved? Arrogance.

And substance abuse impairs judgment. And you can't spend your way out of addiction.

It looks like he's facing felony charges on top of the misdemeanor DUI.

Jim Irsay, Indianapolis Colts owner, arrested on suspected DWI - ESPN

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by molson

And substance abuse impairs judgment. And you can't spend your way out of addiction.

It looks like he's facing felony charges on top of the misdemeanor DUI.

Jim Irsay, Indianapolis Colts owner, arrested on suspected DWI - ESPN

I had another response written until I went and got all of the recent details but was going to add as you did that judgement tends to go out the window as more drugs are involved.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Giants sign Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to a 5 year, $35 million deal. They also signed Walter Thurmond recently, so they went and filled in some of the empty space I was worried about at CB.

Now, if history holds up, Amukamara, DRC and Thurmond will all be injured, with at least one on season ending IR, but Week 1.

From his times as a Cardinal, there were games when he had great instincts, read the QB well...and there were games when he didn't, and he looked pretty bad out there. So wasn't unhappy when the Cards traded him to Philly in the infamous Kevin Kolb trade.

[SteveMax58]

Jim Irsay is a thug with terrible fashion sense.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Giants sign Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to a 5 year, $35 million deal. They also signed Walter Thurmond recently, so they went and filled in some of the empty space I was worried about at CB.

Now, if history holds up, Amukamara, DRC and Thurmond will all be injured, with at least one on season ending IR, but Week 1.

Think they will last that long together? I wasthink by the Jets preseason game at least 1 of them will be out for 8 weeks plus a secondary player to be named later (I'm going Rolle this season).

Well, my reaction to the DRC signing is pretty much "man I hope Prince is the real deal and can stay healthy". I've seen DRC get burned but I guess he manages to make some plays here & there so IDK what to think about him. I like that we went after a CB but just worry we got a #2 CB at a #1 price.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by cartman

The Cowboys found the missing piece of their Super Bowl puzzle. Brandon Weeden signed a two year deal to back up Romo.

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/0...-embarrassing/

I love the flick pick vs the Lions

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by stevew

Brandon Weeden Tribute Video Made by Browns Fan is Too Funny

I love the flick pick vs the Lions

You know you are bad when the Lions are on the good side of the play.

[stevew]

The other picks that stood out were the ones where he hits a defensive guy in the gut and that guy just takes off sprinting. Such bad decisions.

[Radii]

So... Cam Newton having ankle surgery, out 4 months. He should be back in time for training camp. If he's not though, it'll be Derek Anderson out there throwing to Marvin McNutt!

[stevew]

The Panthers are ripe for trading their #1 this year, a #3 this year and next years #1 to move up for a WR this year. I can visual it being announced during the draft.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Radii

So... Cam Newton having ankle surgery, out 4 months. He should be back in time for training camp. If he's not though, it'll be Derek Anderson out there throwing to Marvin McNutt!

Man its just going from bad to worse for Carolina.

[cartman]

Cowboys pick up Henry Melton on a one year deal for just under $1 million. If he bounces back from the rebuilt knee, that might end up being a pretty decent signing.