WW LXVII - Heroes (GAME OVER! HEROES WIN!) - Page 23

jeheinz72 · 03-06-2008, 11:39 AM

Just a reminder, no vote = no night action.

hoopsguy · 03-06-2008, 11:40 AM

Well, I can put a vote on Cronin to put him up three votes - he was the other person I was weighing between when casting my earlier vote. Or I can go after another person with votes who is further back, but I'm not inclined to vote for Grey at this point.

I'll go with MrW, as I think he had one of the worst votes yesterday. I don't have a particularly strong feeling on him, but it is a smidge stronger than my Barkeep sentiment right now.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

nfg22 · 03-06-2008, 11:40 AM

Since I dont want to be killed by GRF and it seems you guys dont think my evidence is enough.

Vote St. Cronin

hoopsguy · 03-06-2008, 11:41 AM

I'm going to try and stick around for the deadline today - conference call is over.

The Jackal · 03-06-2008, 11:41 AM

FYI, I'm just catching up now.. lots of pages.

mauchow · 03-06-2008, 11:44 AM

Okay, I've spent about an hour or so now catching up on stuff. I was four pages behind, thanks to being called into work to make a quick $100.

Anyways, my vote is:

vote mr wednsday

Neon_Chaos · 03-06-2008, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Okay, I've spent about an hour or so now catching up on stuff. I was four pages behind, thanks to being called into work to make a quick $100.

Anyways, my vote is:

vote mr wednsday

What the heck do you do?

Neon_Chaos · 03-06-2008, 11:46 AM

jeheinz, vote count?

SnDvls · 03-06-2008, 11:46 AM

UNVOTE BARKEEP
VOTE ST. CRONIN

I'm not thrilled with this vote, but I'm not going to let the company try to make it a one vote race either.

SnDvls · 03-06-2008, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

What the heck do you do?

lady of the street?

jeheinz72 · 03-06-2008, 11:46 AM

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), Cronin (1109)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

Neon_Chaos · 03-06-2008, 11:47 AM

I have it at

Cronin - 7
GRF - 4
Mr.W - 4
Bk - 3

and the lone Schmidty vote.

is this correct?

Alan T · 03-06-2008, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), Cronin (1109)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

For posterity sakes, vote 1109 on Cronin is from Sndvls

DaddyTorgo · 03-06-2008, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), Cronin (1109)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

sndvls voted cronin in 1109, not cronin voting cronin

SnDvls · 03-06-2008, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I have it at

Cronin - 7
GRF - 4
Mr.W - 4
Bk - 3

and the lone Schmidty vote.

is this correct?

it was just before I moved yes

mauchow · 03-06-2008, 11:48 AM

I was hoping it would be a worthy vote but it seems Cronin is already the run-away. My suspicions of Mr. W are the same as hoops. He made the vote a +2 yesterday before all the votes were in so he could blend in... and he definitely blended in.

Beyond that, I don't have much to go off. I don't believe anybody should be voting for Greyroofoo based on the Ollie stuff. And Thomkal should not have revealed himself. I wish I could've been in this thread earlier to basically harp on the fact that he's a good guy. I believed him to be good somewhere on page 20 I believe. .maybe it was 21, all the pages seems to go together when you read it straight through.

I'll try to make more sense if I've got some extra time today by going back and putting together my reasonings.

Anyways, my vote was for Mr W as stated in my previous post.

Neon_Chaos · 03-06-2008, 11:48 AM

I suddenly have that horrible feeling that St.Cronin is a good guy.

jeheinz72 · 03-06-2008, 11:48 AM

Good eye gents

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), SnDvls (1109)
Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064)
Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106)
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

Barkeep49 · 03-06-2008, 11:49 AM

JH: SnDvls voted for cronin in 1109 not cronin.

Can someone recap the case against cronin? I've understood the cases against me, Grey, MR. W and thomkal far more (even schmidty I've understood more).

Greyroofoo · 03-06-2008, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I suddenly have that horrible feeling that St.Cronin is a good guy.

ditto

mauchow · 03-06-2008, 11:49 AM

I don't mind the Cronin vote at all, I almost did vote for him.

Barkeep49 · 03-06-2008, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I suddenly have that horrible feeling that St.Cronin is a good guy.

Then place your vote elsewhere.

Barkeep49 · 03-06-2008, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

ditto

Then come join us on Mr. W.

mauchow · 03-06-2008, 11:50 AM

If you've got a feeling he's good. Why not switch? Doesn't make sense. I have a bigger feeling on Mr W but I wasn't going to votee Cronin because it seemed like everyone was.

SnDvls · 03-06-2008, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Then place your vote elsewhere.

my elsewhere is you

but honestly I think we'll get some good analysis if he's good IMO

back to your broken eggs theory BK

mauchow · 03-06-2008, 11:52 AM

Getting a vote on Mr W from roofoo and Neon would still get a lynched Cronin. But it makes things a lot more interesting.

Barkeep49 · 03-06-2008, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

my elsewhere is you

but honestly I think we'll get some good analysis if he's good IMO

back to your broken eggs theory BK

Can you recap why you think he's bad?

And what do you think we learn from his death?

hoopsguy · 03-06-2008, 11:52 AM

The case on Cronin is that he was putting the early vote on Ardent but wasn't able to get his vote off of him late without attracting attention. He had a couple of posts down the stretch that could be construed as trying to influence people to vote for someone besides the person he was voting for in the thread.

It is an argument that you would make against an experienced player, not a new player.

Mr. Wednesday · 03-06-2008, 11:53 AM

Since there's even a mention of a move onto me, I'm making a defensive vote.
UNVOTE Greyroofoo
VOTE st.cronin

Greyroofoo · 03-06-2008, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Then come join us on Mr. W.

fine, though its probably a mistake by me
lynching me probably wouldn't be all that bad since it'd keep my power out of sylar's hands. I'm not gonna try to kill anyone tonight.

unvote cronin
vote Mr. W

I gotta get back to work now

mauchow · 03-06-2008, 11:53 AM

I'm hungry, dang it. But I don't want to miss the last seven minutes.

Neon_Chaos · 03-06-2008, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Getting a vote on Mr W from roofoo and Neon would still get a lynched Cronin. But it makes things a lot more interesting.

Barkeep49 · 03-06-2008, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

my elsewhere is you

but honestly I think we'll get some good analysis if he's good IMO

back to your broken eggs theory BK

Also why not place you vote on me? Go down on the record saying you think I'm bad. That way if I were to turn up bad later you'd have evidence of being right again. Of course when I turn up good later you'll look foolish, but establish the record, with your vote, of what you thought at the time.

Alan T · 03-06-2008, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The case on Cronin is that he was putting the early vote on Ardent but wasn't able to get his vote off of him late without attracting attention. He had a couple of posts down the stretch that could be construed as trying to influence people to vote for someone besides the person he was voting for in the thread.

It is an argument that you would make against an experienced player, not a new player.

In addition, the reason I pushed Ardent the day before was his interaction with Cronin.. Cronin kept tossing out the whats up with Pass/Alan thing, which Ardent didn't comment on but then voted on without any reason despite the fact that Cronin had voted for Ardent both days.

its just the type of interplay I would expect if Ardent and Cronin are wolves. So if Cronin and Ardent are wolves, I'm really smart. if cronin isn't a wolf, then I just got lucky yesterday.

mauchow · 03-06-2008, 11:54 AM

Figured W would switch so no this seals the deal on Cronin unless Neon votes W and one more switches.

Barkeep49 · 03-06-2008, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The case on Cronin is that he was putting the early vote on Ardent but wasn't able to get his vote off of him late without attracting attention. He had a couple of posts down the stretch that could be construed as trying to influence people to vote for someone besides the person he was voting for in the thread.

It is an argument that you would make against an experienced player, not a new player.

Seems weak, but I understand it. Too bad cronin wasn't around to defend himself today cause I think we'd be lynching elsewhere (perhaps even me) if he had been.

jeheinz72 · 03-06-2008, 11:55 AM

St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), SnDvls (1109), Mr. W (1129)
Mr. Wednesday (5) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106), Greyroofoo (1130)
Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010),
Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047)
Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819)

Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

Alan T · 03-06-2008, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Seems weak, but I understand it. Too bad cronin wasn't around to defend himself today cause I think we'd be lynching elsewhere (perhaps even me) if he had been.

This is the same "defense" that you and Cronin both used for Ardent yesterday...

Just saying

mauchow · 03-06-2008, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Seems weak, but I understand it. Too bad cronin wasn't around to defend himself today cause I think we'd be lynching elsewhere (perhaps even me) if he had been.

ditto.

jeheinz72 · 03-06-2008, 11:56 AM

4 minute warning.

Alan T · 03-06-2008, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

4 minute warning.

Time to get the no huddle offense going.

Barkeep49 · 03-06-2008, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

This is the same "defense" that you and Cronin both used for Ardent yesterday...

Just saying

You better believe I'm not a fan of this continually lynching players who aren't around to defend themselves, and have stated as much. I think it gives rise to people lying about their availabilities.

Neon_Chaos · 03-06-2008, 11:57 AM

Nail in the coffin vote, I guess.

I did hope we'd have a close vote tonight between two candidates, but the late landslide on Cronin was too much to overcome.

Vote St.Cronin

mauchow · 03-06-2008, 11:58 AM

Yep, it makes it easy for wolves to go after such player.

The Jackal · 03-06-2008, 11:58 AM

Well, it seems like this is cronin's day. No real point in changing my vote.. I'll keep an eye on you GRF (is that right?

) but I'm content with seeing what cronin's all about.

The Jackal · 03-06-2008, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You better believe I'm not a fan of this continually lynching players who aren't around to defend themselves, and have stated as much. I think it gives rise to people lying about their availabilities.

I hate it when people lie about things like that, it should be illegal as a werewolf play.. but that'd be pretty hard to enforce. There's too many friendships to not give people the benefit of the doubt in those situations, and that screws with WW games.

The Jackal · 03-06-2008, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Time to get the no huddle offense going.

triple reverse, do it

Barkeep49 · 03-06-2008, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I hate it when people lie about things like that, it should be illegal as a werewolf play.. but that'd be pretty hard to enforce. There's too many friendships to not give people the benefit of the doubt in those situations, and that screws with WW games.

Oh I agree that it's unethical behavior. I just think we create an incentive to lie when we repeatedly lynch people who say that they're going to be away. Your damned if you don't state that you're away cause then you're ignoring questions, and you're damned if you do since then you become easy pickings.

jeheinz72 · 03-06-2008, 12:01 PM

Deadline.

Alan T · 03-06-2008, 12:01 PM

Jeheinz, you need to tell your family that they will just have to wait for a bit. you have important "work" to do for about 20 minutes.

03-06-2008, 11:46 AM	#1108
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	jeheinz, vote count? __________________ Come and see.

03-06-2008, 11:47 AM	#1112
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I have it at Cronin - 7 GRF - 4 Mr.W - 4 Bk - 3 and the lone Schmidty vote. is this correct? __________________ Come and see.

03-06-2008, 11:48 AM	#1117
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I suddenly have that horrible feeling that St.Cronin is a good guy. __________________ Come and see.

03-06-2008, 11:53 AM	#1129
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Since there's even a mention of a move onto me, I'm making a defensive vote. UNVOTE Greyroofoo VOTE st.cronin __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

03-06-2008, 11:56 AM	#1140
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	4 minute warning. Last edited by jeheinz72 : 03-06-2008 at 11:57 AM.

03-06-2008, 11:39 AM	#1101
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Just a reminder, no vote = no night action.

03-06-2008, 11:40 AM	#1102
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Well, I can put a vote on Cronin to put him up three votes - he was the other person I was weighing between when casting my earlier vote. Or I can go after another person with votes who is further back, but I'm not inclined to vote for Grey at this point. I'll go with MrW, as I think he had one of the worst votes yesterday. I don't have a particularly strong feeling on him, but it is a smidge stronger than my Barkeep sentiment right now. VOTE Mr. Wednesday

03-06-2008, 11:40 AM	#1103
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Since I dont want to be killed by GRF and it seems you guys dont think my evidence is enough. Vote St. Cronin

03-06-2008, 11:41 AM	#1104
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm going to try and stick around for the deadline today - conference call is over.

03-06-2008, 11:41 AM	#1105
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	FYI, I'm just catching up now.. lots of pages.

03-06-2008, 11:44 AM	#1106
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Okay, I've spent about an hour or so now catching up on stuff. I was four pages behind, thanks to being called into work to make a quick $100. Anyways, my vote is: vote mr wednsday

03-06-2008, 11:46 AM	#1109
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	UNVOTE BARKEEP VOTE ST. CRONIN I'm not thrilled with this vote, but I'm not going to let the company try to make it a one vote race either.

03-06-2008, 11:46 AM	#1111
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), Cronin (1109) Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064) Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106) Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047) Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819) Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

03-06-2008, 11:48 AM	#1116
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I was hoping it would be a worthy vote but it seems Cronin is already the run-away. My suspicions of Mr. W are the same as hoops. He made the vote a +2 yesterday before all the votes were in so he could blend in... and he definitely blended in. Beyond that, I don't have much to go off. I don't believe anybody should be voting for Greyroofoo based on the Ollie stuff. And Thomkal should not have revealed himself. I wish I could've been in this thread earlier to basically harp on the fact that he's a good guy. I believed him to be good somewhere on page 20 I believe. .maybe it was 21, all the pages seems to go together when you read it straight through. I'll try to make more sense if I've got some extra time today by going back and putting together my reasonings. Anyways, my vote was for Mr W as stated in my previous post.

03-06-2008, 11:48 AM	#1118
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Good eye gents St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), Greyroofoo (1072), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), SnDvls (1109) Greyfooroo (4): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Mr. Wednesday (1064) Mr. Wednesday (4) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106) Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047) Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819) Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

03-06-2008, 11:49 AM	#1119
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	JH: SnDvls voted for cronin in 1109 not cronin. Can someone recap the case against cronin? I've understood the cases against me, Grey, MR. W and thomkal far more (even schmidty I've understood more).

03-06-2008, 11:49 AM	#1121
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I don't mind the Cronin vote at all, I almost did vote for him.

03-06-2008, 11:50 AM	#1124
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	If you've got a feeling he's good. Why not switch? Doesn't make sense. I have a bigger feeling on Mr W but I wasn't going to votee Cronin because it seemed like everyone was.

03-06-2008, 11:52 AM	#1126
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Getting a vote on Mr W from roofoo and Neon would still get a lynched Cronin. But it makes things a lot more interesting.

03-06-2008, 11:52 AM	#1128
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	The case on Cronin is that he was putting the early vote on Ardent but wasn't able to get his vote off of him late without attracting attention. He had a couple of posts down the stretch that could be construed as trying to influence people to vote for someone besides the person he was voting for in the thread. It is an argument that you would make against an experienced player, not a new player.

03-06-2008, 11:53 AM	#1131
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I'm hungry, dang it. But I don't want to miss the last seven minutes.

03-06-2008, 11:54 AM	#1135
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Figured W would switch so no this seals the deal on Cronin unless Neon votes W and one more switches.

03-06-2008, 11:55 AM	#1137
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	St. Cronin (8): Alan T (756), Schmidty (893), Narcizo (1016), Thomkal (1057), claphamsa (1087), nfg22 (1103), SnDvls (1109), Mr. W (1129) Mr. Wednesday (5) : Barkeep49 (942), DaddyTorgo (977), hoopsguy (1102), mauboy1 (1106), Greyroofoo (1130) Greyfooroo (3): Jackal (882), Chief Rum (911), RendeR (1010), Barkeep49 (2): path12 (859), Lathum (1047) Schmidty (1): St. Cronin (819) Not voting (1): Neon (1098)

03-06-2008, 11:57 AM	#1143
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Nail in the coffin vote, I guess. I did hope we'd have a close vote tonight between two candidates, but the late landslide on Cronin was too much to overcome. Vote St.Cronin __________________ Come and see.

03-06-2008, 11:58 AM	#1144
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Yep, it makes it easy for wolves to go after such player.

03-06-2008, 11:58 AM	#1145
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Well, it seems like this is cronin's day. No real point in changing my vote.. I'll keep an eye on you GRF (is that right? ) but I'm content with seeing what cronin's all about.

03-06-2008, 12:01 PM	#1149
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Deadline.

03-06-2008, 12:01 PM	#1150
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Jeheinz, you need to tell your family that they will just have to wait for a bit. you have important "work" to do for about 20 minutes.

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