Werewolf XX - Of Demons and Elementals (Humans Win!) - Page 23

SnDvls · 01-02-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, I was being a little flippant in the request, but I would love to see night actions move along fairly quickly if possible.

I only point this out as in most WW games the wolves lie low (we know not all on that list are wolves so nobody bend my words) by not posting or just viewing. With what just went on over this weekend it seems fair and safe to say that one of them could easily be a wolf.

Barkeep49 · 01-02-2006, 12:26 PM

Dola -- And I would look at path too. Three people having the same role is absurd.

Blade6119 · 01-02-2006, 12:28 PM

Well well...i think this might be exactly in plan with my thoughts...if cronin was a elemental, and sun the warlock he can say dont kill sun yada yada...then he handpicks the person he is protecting to accuse so that nothing is revealed...it actually makes perfect sense

SnDvls · 01-02-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Dola -- And I would look at path too. Three people having the same role is absurd.

I thought the same thing with you and I, but it could mean we started with more than the usual 3 demons to have some many villager roles stacked against them.

Like I said we'll see after the night actions provided you and I both survive.

Barkeep49 · 01-02-2006, 12:30 PM

And where does hoops fit in with all of that?

SnDvls · 01-02-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well well...i think this might be exactly in plan with my thoughts...if cronin was a elemental, and sun the warlock he can say dont kill sun yada yada...then he handpicks the person he is protecting to accuse so that nothing is revealed...it actually makes perfect sense

Blade - All I ask is you wait until the night actions are over you will see I'm not lying.

st.cronin · 01-02-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well well...i think this might be exactly in plan with my thoughts...if cronin was a elemental, and sun the warlock he can say dont kill sun yada yada...then he handpicks the person he is protecting to accuse so that nothing is revealed...it actually makes perfect sense

You are REALLY not thinking that thought all the way through. And you will win the game for the demons if you pursue that line of thought.

Blade6119 · 01-02-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

Blade - All I ask is you wait until the night actions are over you will see I'm not lying.

What i expect to happen is one person is brought back, prob. king, and both of you claim to have brought him back...by you saying you were random, you say it random selected king and barkeep is lying...he says he picked king and your lying...thats what i expect to happen, but ill wait and see

Grammaticus · 01-02-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Gram, why would the elementals be interested in protecting you? You seem to have known they would do this as well.

SnDvls, I was being a little flippant in the request, but I would love to see night actions move along fairly quickly if possible.

I'm not engaging in meaningful discussion until the night round is over, but I will talk about this and address St. Cronin's claims as well, assuming I make it throught the night.

path12 · 01-02-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Dola -- And I would look at path too. Three people having the same role is absurd.

Look all you want. I don't see where I could have been much clearer.

SnDvls · 01-02-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

What i expect to happen is one person is brought back, prob. king, and both of you claim to have brought him back...by you saying you were random, you say it random selected king and barkeep is lying...he says he picked king and your lying...thats what i expect to happen, but ill wait and see

and once we're both proven right then what happens? what if Barkeep is killed and I'm right? All this tells me with mutiple roles that overlap some is that there is a BIG CW swerve coming our way and it's gonna smack us all in the face when it happens.

hoopsguy · 01-02-2006, 12:36 PM

Gram, I can respect that. I'll look forward to continuing this conversation tomorrow if we are both around then.

Blade6119 · 01-02-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

and once we're both proven right then what happens? what if Barkeep is killed and I'm right? All this tells me with mutiple roles that overlap some is that there is a BIG CW swerve coming our way and it's gonna smack us all in the face when it happens.

The only big smack in the face im expecting soon is a big W in the demons column as soon as tonight possibly. Hopefully ill be proven wrong

Barkeep49 · 01-02-2006, 12:37 PM

Vote chart Day 3. If something is in italics and underlined that means it's an unvote. Items in bold were normal votes which were later unvoted. Regular type means the final vote of a person.

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Originally Posted by Day 3

1 Ardent Enthusiast	st. cronin	No reason given	St. Cronin 1
Ardent	st. cronin	Believes st. cronin might have been setup	St. Cronin 0
5 Hoopsguy	Blade	Wants to give Blade the chance to use his power	Blade 1
Hoopsguy	Blade	Found out that blade can change lynch without being the lynchee	Blade 0
2 Blade6119	Sndvls	Has been quiet and posted meaningless posts	SnDvls 1
Ardent	Barkeep	Finds it suspicous when certain players remain in the game too long	Barkeep 1
6 SnDvls	Blade	Self preservation	Blade 1
9 St.Cronin	Grammaticus	Not prepared to reveal what he knows	Gram 1
7 Passacaglia	st. cronin	Doesn't trust st. cronin believing the game could be over in the next day	St. Cronin 1
15 Barkeep49	Grammaticus	Willing to gamble on cronin	Gram 2
Barkeep49	Grammaticus	No reason given	Gram 1
Ardent	Barkeep	No reason given	Barkeep 0
Ardent	Grammaticus	No reason given	Gram 2
Barkeep49	Taz	Doesn't believe Taz's role	Taz 1
13 WVUFAN	Grammaticus	No reason given	Gram 3
WVUFan	Grammaticus	Suspicous that no one has defended Gram	Gram 2
Pass	St. cronin	No longer believes he's guilty	St. Cronin 0
Pass	Barkeep	Requests for role reveals	Barkeep 1
8 Path12	Grammaticus	Going to believe him this 1 time	Gram 3
Hoopsguy	Ardent	Wants conversation on him	Ardent 1
16 dubb93	st. cronin	Not convinced about cronin	St. Cronin 1
11 TazFTW	Ardent	Intrigued by hoops; been pretty active without suspicion	Ardent 2
Hoopsguy	Ardent	No reason given	Ardent 1
Hoopsguy	Grammaticus	No reason given	Gram 4
Barkeep49	Taz	Trying to nudge Blade	Taz 0
Barkeep49	Grammaticus	Trying to nudge Blade	Gram 5
SnDvls	Blade	Trying to get blade to trust him	Blade 0
SnDvls	Grammaticus	No reason given	Gram 6
10 Grammaticus	Blade	Wants to see if Blade is full of crap	Blade 1

hoopsguy · 01-02-2006, 12:38 PM

Blade, in regards to your Cronin theory, this is a case where I look at play in previous games. If Cronin played it that way he has made a big step up in deviousness - is that a word?

Again, Cronin is not a demon. So it isn't a case where a team of demons is plotting in tandem with Cronin as the mouthpiece. That is definitely not the case.

Barkeep49 · 01-02-2006, 12:41 PM

Just to be clear. I sent in for king to be brought back.

Blade your failure to use your duke role on a day we learn nothing does not sit real well with me.

Blade6119 · 01-02-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, in regards to your Cronin theory, this is a case where I look at play in previous games. If Cronin played it that way he has made a big step up in deviousness - is that a word?

Again, Cronin is not a demon. So it isn't a case where a team of demons is plotting in tandem with Cronin as the mouthpiece. That is definitely not the case.

My theory assumes he is not a demon...i understand past games as well, but ive seen far different styles this game from Pass, Dubb, Sun, and possibly cronin if hes an elemental. So its possible

Im just thinking in what situations all this makes sense, and thats one of them...its a play i could see myself making if i was cronin with those victory conditions...there are other situations, but gramat being protected by the elementals after being accused as a demon seems convenient. We took the easy road, it backfired. Now we try to recover as best we can(while noting we still dont know gramat is good/bad)

Blade6119 · 01-02-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Just to be clear. I sent in for king to be brought back.

Blade your failure to use your duke role on a day we learn nothing does not sit real well with me.

I can respect that...i am happy i didnt though as i would have duked it to gramat, and nothing would be learned other then im good...id rather it be used to far more help some other time. I apologize, but you seemed like the minority in wishing me to use it, besides sun and gramat who i didnt really care to count as votes

st.cronin · 01-02-2006, 01:11 PM

Blade, your analysis is somewhat off because you're ignoring a key part of what I was going for.

- I knew Gram was a demon, and thought he would be revealed as such upon lynch.
- I knew Sun was human, but more than protecting a human I was adamant that he not be lynched on that particular day.

If you think I'm fishy and want to lynch him tomorrow, go right ahead. I am human, though, and my agenda is with the humans. I don't know who the demons go after tonight; I would assume they would go for either me or hoopsguy, since one of us knows too much. Or they may go for you, assuming you are human (I honestly don't have a read on that), or another human, one playing a more quiet game.

I promise if I am still alive I will have more information tomorrow.

Grammaticus · 01-02-2006, 01:15 PM

I'm out for a bit, gotta paint some shutters. I'll check back tonight and see how the night actions happen.

Poli · 01-02-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

...assuming I make it throught the night.

I think that's the safest assumption anyone's made.

Poli · 01-02-2006, 02:22 PM

I need to reread these posts, but bogarting the computer at work is a danger to my life.

AHA! Printable version!

Poli · 01-02-2006, 02:30 PM

GAH! I'd have to print out 10 pages to get caught up!

Passacaglia · 01-02-2006, 02:31 PM

I'm still skeptcial of cronin. He seemed so adamant about Gramaticus, and he was protected -- I think cronin must have known that.

Barkeep49 · 01-02-2006, 02:31 PM

That's what happens when I sit at a computer all day grading and blade and hoops are around nearly constantly as well

hoopsguy · 01-02-2006, 02:33 PM

Yep, holiday weekend = rising post counts.

st.cronin · 01-02-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm still skeptcial of cronin. He seemed so adamant about Gramaticus, and he was protected -- I think cronin must have known that.

Tread lightly. I can't protect you from the demons, or the elementals for that matter.

Poli · 01-02-2006, 02:41 PM

Gah, work sucks. I've had six students calling me about flight cancellations. GGGGGGAH.

Passacaglia · 01-02-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Tread lightly. I can't protect you from the demons, or the elementals for that matter.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. If you can't protect me from the demons, what do I need to worry about?

Barkeep49 · 01-02-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Tread lightly. I can't protect you from the demons, or the elementals for that matter.

And why would calling you out put him at risk for killing?

st.cronin · 01-02-2006, 02:47 PM

I apologize for being mysterious. I will reveal more after night. I am just trying to keep roles secret ... I can guess at a few, and have in mind what the demon hit list might look like, but I have NO protective ability.

Coffee Warlord · 01-02-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Yep, holiday weekend = rising post counts.

You should see my PM box. :P

Passacaglia · 01-02-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I apologize for being mysterious. I will reveal more after night. I am just trying to keep roles secret ... I can guess at a few, and have in mind what the demon hit list might look like, but I have NO protective ability.

Why don't you enlighten us? We've already done your bidding -- a little reciprocation about the hit list would be welcome.

Poli · 01-02-2006, 02:51 PM

I am going to kill my friggin roommate, he's giving away secrets to the students. I'll brb.

Barkeep49 · 01-02-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Why don't you enlighten us? We've already done your bidding -- a little reciprocation about the hit list would be welcome.

Pass he said he would do as much as soon as night is over, which is perfectly sensible.

hoopsguy · 01-02-2006, 02:56 PM

Coffee, what is the night deadline btw?

And how many PMs did Blade send you on his action? Not expecting an answer, just a chuckle.

Passacaglia · 01-02-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Pass he said he would do as much as soon as night is over, which is perfectly sensible.

I guess I'm asking for a little prediction here. I mean, we've already been screwed over by him. Maybe his reveal in the next day will be something, but I find myself less inclined to believe it.

Passacaglia · 01-02-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Coffee, what is the night deadline btw?

And how many PMs did Blade send you on his action? Not expecting an answer, just a chuckle.

Yeah, kinda funny that he sent all those then ended up not using it!

st.cronin · 01-02-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I guess I'm asking for a little prediction here. I mean, we've already been screwed over by him. Maybe his reveal in the next day will be something, but I find myself less inclined to believe it.

I'll just predict that there will be ONE kill tonight. You will remember on Night 1 I predicted (although didn't out and out say - just hinted) that there would be NO kills.

Passacaglia · 01-02-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'll just predict that there will be ONE kill tonight. You will remember on Night 1 I predicted (although didn't out and out say - just hinted) that there would be NO kills.

I don't remember that, but I do remember you predicting FOUR kills earlier. Why the change?

Barkeep49 · 01-02-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Coffee, what is the night deadline btw?

And how many PMs did Blade send you on his action? Not expecting an answer, just a chuckle.

9 o'clock tomorrow. Not sure if it's central or eastern.

st.cronin · 01-02-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't remember that, but I do remember you predicting FOUR kills earlier. Why the change?

That was if Sun was lynched during day cycle. That danger is no longer imminent.

SnDvls · 01-02-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

That was if Sun was lynched during day cycle. That danger is no longer imminent.

glad I was a savior for at least a day

althought I think I'm always a savior and should not be lynched anyhow or eaten at night either.

Poli · 01-02-2006, 03:17 PM

FWIW, st.cronin, I believe you.

hoopsguy · 01-02-2006, 03:26 PM

Ardent, who don't you trust at this point? If you want to sit on it until after night actions that is fine too, but I'm curious where you are at in viewing this mess.

Poli · 01-02-2006, 03:30 PM

Hmm. Without reading everything yet...it's just really hard to say.

I trust...you, blade, taz, st.cronin...and if barkeep's on the level...him.

I don't trust at one level or another pass and gramm. Gramm because he seemed, well, to taunt us about not being lynched. Who does that? My guess? A wolf.

The rest, well, seriously I need to read everything over. The past two nights/day in real life have been really taxing for me.

Passacaglia · 01-02-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Hmm. Without reading everything yet...it's just really hard to say.

I trust...you, blade, taz, st.cronin...and if barkeep's on the level...him.

I don't trust at one level or another pass and gramm. Gramm because he seemed, well, to taunt us about not being lynched. Who does that? My guess? A wolf.

The rest, well, seriously I need to read everything over. The past two nights/day in real life have been really taxing for me.

And me because..?

Blade6119 · 01-02-2006, 03:32 PM

pass, i will say this...you and i seem to be having many of the same ideas and views...i dont know what you are, but for that alone you are prob. my most trusted non-cleared villager(meaning outside of WVU and dacman)

Poli · 01-02-2006, 03:32 PM

Well, without reading a whole lot, yours is well, just a general feeling. I seem to remember you defending gramm...well, I think.

When I read over the past...gah...300 friggin posts or so...I may have a better understanding of what's going on.

Poli · 01-02-2006, 03:34 PM

I didn't think about WVU. I trust him. I don't trust dacman, well, because he certainly won't share info.

At least I know he's not out to get me.

01-02-2006, 12:28 PM	#1103
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	Well well...i think this might be exactly in plan with my thoughts...if cronin was a elemental, and sun the warlock he can say dont kill sun yada yada...then he handpicks the person he is protecting to accuse so that nothing is revealed...it actually makes perfect sense __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

01-02-2006, 01:11 PM	#1119
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Blade, your analysis is somewhat off because you're ignoring a key part of what I was going for. - I knew Gram was a demon, and thought he would be revealed as such upon lynch. - I knew Sun was human, but more than protecting a human I was adamant that he not be lynched on that particular day. If you think I'm fishy and want to lynch him tomorrow, go right ahead. I am human, though, and my agenda is with the humans. I don't know who the demons go after tonight; I would assume they would go for either me or hoopsguy, since one of us knows too much. Or they may go for you, assuming you are human (I honestly don't have a read on that), or another human, one playing a more quiet game. I promise if I am still alive I will have more information tomorrow. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

01-02-2006, 02:22 PM	#1122
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I need to reread these posts, but bogarting the computer at work is a danger to my life. AHA! Printable version! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-02-2006, 02:30 PM	#1123
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	GAH! I'd have to print out 10 pages to get caught up! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-02-2006, 02:41 PM	#1128
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Gah, work sucks. I've had six students calling me about flight cancellations. GGGGGGAH. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-02-2006, 12:26 PM	#1102
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Dola -- And I would look at path too. Three people having the same role is absurd.

01-02-2006, 12:30 PM	#1105
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	And where does hoops fit in with all of that?

01-02-2006, 12:36 PM	#1112
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Gram, I can respect that. I'll look forward to continuing this conversation tomorrow if we are both around then.

01-02-2006, 12:38 PM	#1115
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Blade, in regards to your Cronin theory, this is a case where I look at play in previous games. If Cronin played it that way he has made a big step up in deviousness - is that a word? Again, Cronin is not a demon. So it isn't a case where a team of demons is plotting in tandem with Cronin as the mouthpiece. That is definitely not the case.

01-02-2006, 12:41 PM	#1116
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Just to be clear. I sent in for king to be brought back. Blade your failure to use your duke role on a day we learn nothing does not sit real well with me.

01-02-2006, 01:15 PM	#1120
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	I'm out for a bit, gotta paint some shutters. I'll check back tonight and see how the night actions happen.

01-02-2006, 02:31 PM	#1124
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I'm still skeptcial of cronin. He seemed so adamant about Gramaticus, and he was protected -- I think cronin must have known that.

01-02-2006, 02:31 PM	#1125
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	That's what happens when I sit at a computer all day grading and blade and hoops are around nearly constantly as well

01-02-2006, 02:33 PM	#1126
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Yep, holiday weekend = rising post counts.

01-02-2006, 02:47 PM	#1131
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I apologize for being mysterious. I will reveal more after night. I am just trying to keep roles secret ... I can guess at a few, and have in mind what the demon hit list might look like, but I have NO protective ability. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

01-02-2006, 02:51 PM	#1134
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I am going to kill my friggin roommate, he's giving away secrets to the students. I'll brb. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-02-2006, 02:56 PM	#1136
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Coffee, what is the night deadline btw? And how many PMs did Blade send you on his action? Not expecting an answer, just a chuckle.

01-02-2006, 03:17 PM	#1144
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	FWIW, st.cronin, I believe you. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-02-2006, 03:26 PM	#1145
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Ardent, who don't you trust at this point? If you want to sit on it until after night actions that is fine too, but I'm curious where you are at in viewing this mess.

01-02-2006, 03:30 PM	#1146
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Hmm. Without reading everything yet...it's just really hard to say. I trust...you, blade, taz, st.cronin...and if barkeep's on the level...him. I don't trust at one level or another pass and gramm. Gramm because he seemed, well, to taunt us about not being lynched. Who does that? My guess? A wolf. The rest, well, seriously I need to read everything over. The past two nights/day in real life have been really taxing for me. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-02-2006, 03:32 PM	#1148
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	pass, i will say this...you and i seem to be having many of the same ideas and views...i dont know what you are, but for that alone you are prob. my most trusted non-cleared villager(meaning outside of WVU and dacman) __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

01-02-2006, 03:32 PM	#1149
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Well, without reading a whole lot, yours is well, just a general feeling. I seem to remember you defending gramm...well, I think. When I read over the past...gah...300 friggin posts or so...I may have a better understanding of what's going on. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-02-2006, 03:34 PM	#1150
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I didn't think about WVU. I trust him. I don't trust dacman, well, because he certainly won't share info. At least I know he's not out to get me. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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