Werewolf L Kate Beckinsale - day 7, deadline Thursday 10pm Eastern Time

[cartman]

Originally Posted by path12

Never mind oliegirl for now -- someone scan Gonzo tonight.

+1

[Antmeister]

Nice of me to quote the wrong post. Great, I am a dead villager. Good luck to you guys as you put this noose around my neck.

[st.cronin]

I have this as the final vote:

Vote count:

7 - Antmeister - Neon_Chaos (910), JHandley (973), KWhit (976), cartman (977), oliegirl (978), Gonzo (1004), path12 (1088)
5 - Gonzo - LoneStarGirl (951), Telle (971), RendeR (1030), Antmeister (1037), Barkeep49 (1062)
2 - tanglewood - Schmidty (1009), DaddyTorgo (1045)

no vote - tanglewood

[st.cronin]

The result of today's discussion is, Antmeister is lynched. Unfortunately, he turns out to be a human. But could he have been the mad scientist?

[Antmeister]

Gurgle....gurgle.....need air! The noose is too tight!

[Antmeister]

This villager is going to haunt your asses until you find those damn wolves!

[cartman]

Damn

[Schmidty]

I had a bad feeling about that lynch from the beginning.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The result of today's discussion is, Antmeister is lynched. Unfortunately, he turns out to be a human. But could he have been the mad scientist?

I presume that you just forgot to mention the fact the previously when humans died they could be mad scientists, and the noting of this possibility now is not significant?

[DaddyTorgo]

is that a hint that he was the mad scientist? that wouldn't be a bad kill, hmm?

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I had a bad feeling about that lynch from the beginning.

So why not vote for Gonzo then? Or suggest other candidates?

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm not disappointed with the result. Ant wasn't as vocal about his innocence as I would have expected him to have been, nor was he adamant about keeping himself alive.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I presume that you just forgot to mention the fact the previously when humans died they could be mad scientists, and the noting of this possibility now is not significant?

He's the only human we've lynched so far.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I presume that you just forgot to mention the fact the previously when humans died they could be mad scientists, and the noting of this possibility now is not significant?

Per the rules, the mad scientist will show as human when lynched. Ant was the first non-wolf lynched, it was just a reminder is all.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Telle

He's the only human we've lynched so far.

Yes, but the wolves could presumably have accidentaly hit the mad scientist. Assuming that they have no PM contact between each other.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

So why not vote for Gonzo then? Or suggest other candidates?

It's Schmidty. He hasn't done anything as far as I can remember.

[st.cronin]

pms sent

Barkeep49 has been killed!

day 5 has begun, deadline Tuesday 10pm Eastern Time

[path12]

OK, finished my recap of KWhit through post 976:

15 -- ordinary student here
16 -- meaningless
64 -- meaningless
65 -- notes unlisted roles may be in game
85 -- we do? (response to JE statement 2nd vote day 1 is wolf)
99 -- VOTE TELLE just to keep things close
108 -- assuming Mad Sci = conversion. asks for other takes.
113 -- further on subject notes 'working on army of lycanthropes' from rules
121 -- (response Render) need to lynch esp if conversions in game. day 1 might help down road.
123 -- notes VanH may ID wolf per rules
127 -- can see both lynch and no lynch sides. no idea which makes more sense.
129 -- questions BK's math
132 -- (re lynch ?) you can make that argument every night. better day 2? day 3?
134 -- clarify 132. Dont feel strongly abt lynch either way, but if not today day 2 just as random.
136 -- vote recap
140 -- no lynch gives wolves extra day to do their stuff
144 -- agrees day 1 on absent people best
147 -- questions LSG vote count
152 -- vote recap
156 -- possible Mad Sci is conversion re BK math. (very interested in Mad Sci/VH?)
159 -- likes to vote early d1, but often change it.
160 -- meaningless
168 -- (resp BK) game w/conversion favors lynch
169 -- no lynch benefits wolves
171 -- out for awhile. Unvote TELLE VOTE TANGLE (has vote on and absent)
174 -- vote recap
175 -- meaningless
205 -- argues lynch vs no lynch
213 -- doesn't look like lynch tonight. perfect place for wolf to hide vote.
221 -- meaningless
319 -- suggests alan may be on way to conversion? quotes Mad Sci role again, bolds lycanthrope part.
341 -- don't know whether to vote Alan. keep eye on him for sure. could be other possibilities to explain PM
344 -- in and out today. VOTE NEON. reason: absent.
345 -- agrees w/lathum about waiting day on alan.
534 -- (resp Alan) says there are valid reasons to vote for alan. 'lot of blame to go around but you're not immune' sucks about two no lynches in row.
558 -- don't know what to think about alan, inclined to think villager. makes sense to wait and see on him.
585 -- most suspic vote last night was from Render. VOTE RENDER. caps: everyone should vote early!!!! no ties!!
588 -- vote recap
600 -- correct BK vote count
601 -- might switch to neon, but only if others do to prevent tie
602 -- vote recap
608 -- vote recap
610 -- 'early enough to tie it up with this'. UNV RENDER, VOTE NEON. better lynch than alan.
614 -- vote recap
624 -- (resp path) alan brought too much heat on self to be wolf imo. could be hiding in plain sight but doubt it.
630 -- out
726 -- we should spare alan tonight. if wolf, he'll be left alive, if VH, wolves will go after. have to give benefit of doubt.
737 -- response to alan re bodyguard.
740 -- asks for vote count
742 -- another clusterfuck in making with wild vote switches.
769 -- UNVOTE NEON, VOTE CHIEF RUM
773 -- hopes vote got off the tie
781 -- asks DT for clarification of his vote count
826 -- good job!
838 -- resp to gonzo re celebration joke
889 -- resp to DT re misunderstanding
891 -- meaningless
916 -- thx Neon for CR analysis. Inclined to look at Ant, belive better choice than Render b/c CR was pushing R.
925 -- CR made mult posts about R & Tangle when had no heat. believes that helps R and Tangle. looking elsewhere today.
931 -- quotes CR view on Tangle. believes it's worth holding off on tangle for that reason
968 -- quotes Ants posts. unsure conclusion.
976 -- VOTE ANT. after thinking through, better play than gonzo or render. no strong feeling abt anyone else.

Other than that interesting obsession about Van Helsing for awhile, I don't think there's much to hold against him there.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

So why not vote for Gonzo then? Or suggest other candidates?

I came in after having missed the whole day. I didn't think Ant was bad, as I said numerous times, although it was a gut feeling. I voted for you because of the whole cartman thing, although it wasn't really a rock-solid vote. I honestly have no idea what to think now.

Give me a reason to vote for Gonzo, and I will. Yes, he's a bit.......crusty (?), but I don't know if he's bad. Maybe he is.

I really suck at this game.

[Telle]

Well.. guess my suspicions of Barkeep were unfounded then.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Telle

Well.. guess my suspicions of Barkeep were unfounded then.

Yeah. But I'm guessing Ant might still think I'm guilty

[Telle]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Yes, but the wolves could presumably have accidentaly hit the mad scientist. Assuming that they have no PM contact between each other.

Has there ever been a WW game where not all of the bad guys knew who each other were? Although I guess technically in WW anything goes.. so even if something's unprecedented it doesn't mean it's impossible.

[DaddyTorgo]

dammit! bye barkeep...we'll soldier on.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Telle

Has there ever been a WW game where not all of the bad guys knew who each other were? Although I guess technically in WW anything goes.. so even if something's unprecedented it doesn't mean it's impossible.

I've seen that before, but not here. Based on cronin's love of simple games, I doubt that's the case with this game. If I was running such a game, that would be a point I'd make clear at the beginning.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

It's Schmidty. He hasn't done anything as far as I can remember.

Not that I have any opinion about Schmidty's guilt or innocence (he's actually one of my suspects right now), you should know that he is famous for being one of the quieter players around. And don't be fooled by his protestations of ineptitude.

[tanglewood]

A lot of green on the board now, which isn't all that helpful. I think it is clear that on Day 1 the wolves didn't have to force anything, all the candidates were good guys and with the No Lynch thing going on too they probably just sat back and let everything happen.

Day 2 looks intersting now, with an innocent Barkeep being run up on to 'save' Neon Chaos.

Player	Day 1	Day 2	Day 3	Day 4
Jhandley	Antmeister	Neon Chaos	Tanglewood	Antmeister
Path12	No Lynch	Render	Chief Rum	Antmeister
LoneStarGirl	Tanglewood	Barkeep	Tanglewood	Gonzo
Antmeister	No Lynch	Barkeep	Neon Chaos	Gonzo
Lathum	Jonathan Ezarik	Barkeep
Telle	No Lynch	Barkeep	Barkeep	Gonzo
DaddyTorgo	No Lynch	Barkeep	Chief Rum	Tanglewood
RendeR	Jonathan Ezarik	Barkeep	Chief Rum	Gonzo
Barkeep49	No Lynch	Neon Chaos	Chief Rum	Gonzo
Cartman	Jonathan Ezarik	Neon Chaos	Chief Rum	Antmeister
Schmidty	Path12	Neon Chaos	Tanglewood	Tanglewood
Alan T	Chief Rum	Neon Chaos	Chief Rum
Jonathan Ezarik	No Lynch
Chief Rum	Jonathan Ezarik	Antmeister	Tanglewood
Kwhit	Tanglewood	Neon Chaos	Chief Rum	Antmeister
Gonzo	No Lynch	Alan T	Alan T	Antmeister
Neon Chaos	X	DaddyTorgo	Chief Rum	Antmeister
Tanglewood	Jonathan Ezarik	Alan T	Chief Rum	X
DC / OG	Jonathan Ezarik	Lathum	Barkeep	Antmeister

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by JHandley

Thank ya.

I'm not willing to move my vote and create another no lynch. I liked my reasons for Antmeister.

I checked with Cronin about it, and he told me that the information gained out of the "incident" can be used to form opinions. At some point we're going to have to deal with Oliegirl/DC. She clearly has a role, she clearly believed herself to be a wolf and she clearly believed Tangle, Gonzo and Neon to be wolves.

We know Chief was a wolf, so obviously her information was sketchy at best, but what role could she possibly have that doesn't make her a wolf?

I've been thinking about this and from reading st.cronin's post about the incident, the only real conclusion I can come to is that she is a wolf. I don't know how much or little we should be using that info, but it really seems to me to be the most logical explanation.

DC thinks she's a wolf becasue she is a wolf, and then when she sees a mass PM from st.cronin, she replies to all of them thinking st.c was sending a note out to all the wolves.

I hate the situation, but I don't think we can ignore it at this point in time.

[path12]

Tangle, I know that you say you're good, but that chart becomes more helpful if you leave your name blank since we don't know one way or the other.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting supposition kwhit. It's as good as anything else we have going right now...

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I've been thinking about this and from reading st.cronin's post about the incident, the only real conclusion I can come to is that she is a wolf. I don't know how much or little we should be using that info, but it really seems to me to be the most logical explanation.

DC thinks she's a wolf becasue she is a wolf, and then when she sees a mass PM from st.cronin, she replies to all of them thinking st.c was sending a note out to all the wolves.

I hate the situation, but I don't think we can ignore it at this point in time.

I agree.

Logically, Dodgerchick wouldn't have been so upset if she wasn't a wolf.

[tanglewood]

For reference again, here was the day two voting:

282	Path12	Render	Ren 1
318	Neon Chaos	DaddyTorgo	Ren 1 / DT 1
320	Barkeep	Neon Chaos	Ren 1 / DT 1 / NC 1
326	Dodgerchick	Lathum	Ren 1 / DT 1 / NC 1 / Lath 1
328	Barkeep	Alan T	Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / AT 1
344	Kwhit	Neon Chaos	Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / AT 1 / NC 1
348	Render	Neon Chaos	NC 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / AT 1
349	Lathum	Barkeep	NC 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / AT 1 / BK 1
356	Gonzo	Alan T	NC 2 / AT 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / BK 1
388	Jhandley	Neon Chaos	NC 3 / AT 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / BK 1
393	Schmidty	Neon Chaos	NC 4 / AT 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / BK 1
395	Chief Rum	Antmeister	NC 4 / AT 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / BK 1 / Ant 1
397	Antmeister	Barkeep	NC 4 / AT 2 / BK 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / Ant 1
402	Cartman	Neon Chaos	NC 5 / AT 2 / BK 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / Ant 1
405	DaddyTorgo	Barkeep	NC 5 / BK 3 / AT 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / Ant 1
417	Telle	Barkeep	NC 5 / BK 4 / AT 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / Ant 1
419	Barkeep	Neon Chaos	NC 6 / BK 4 / AT 1 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / Ant 1
421	Render	Barkeep	NC 5 / BK 5 / AT 1 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / Ant 1
423	LoneStarGirl	Barkeep	BK 6 / NC 5 / AT 1 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / Ant 1
424	Alan T	Neon Chaos	NC 6 / BK 6 / AT 1 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / Ant 1
426	Tanglewood	Alan T	NC 6 / BK 6 / AT 2 / Ren 1 / DT 1 / Lath 1 / Ant 1

[path12]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I've been thinking about this and from reading st.cronin's post about the incident, the only real conclusion I can come to is that she is a wolf. I don't know how much or little we should be using that info, but it really seems to me to be the most logical explanation.

DC thinks she's a wolf becasue she is a wolf, and then when she sees a mass PM from st.cronin, she replies to all of them thinking st.c was sending a note out to all the wolves.

I hate the situation, but I don't think we can ignore it at this point in time.

Here's the thing with that, and it may just be ignorance on my part -- but I don't think there is a 'reply to all' option on PM's. When I have had to send a PM to multiple people, I've had to enter them all individually (which is kind of a pain in the ass at times).

So if she was a wolf, she had to respond individually right? Or am I just stupid about how to reply to all?

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by path12

Tangle, I know that you say you're good, but that chart becomes more helpful if you leave your name blank since we don't know one way or the other.

Ok from now on I'll leave myself blank in charts and things.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by path12

Here's the thing with that, and it may just be ignorance on my part -- but I don't think there is a 'reply to all' option on PM's. When I have had to send a PM to multiple people, I've had to enter them all individually (which is kind of a pain in the ass at times).

So if she was a wolf, she had to respond individually right? Or am I just stupid about how to reply to all?

You may be right, but that was the whole story of the incident, right? That she sent the PM to people she shouldn't have. The fact that she may have had to type them all in doesn't really matter, I don't think. Either way, it seems to me that she is likely a wolf.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by path12

Here's the thing with that, and it may just be ignorance on my part -- but I don't think there is a 'reply to all' option on PM's. When I have had to send a PM to multiple people, I've had to enter them all individually (which is kind of a pain in the ass at times).

So if she was a wolf, she had to respond individually right? Or am I just stupid about how to reply to all?

Just tried it out and yes, you would have to enter each name in manually.

I don't really think that DC/Olliegirl is a wolf. IMHO, after making such a mistake DC wouldn't have left the game if she was a wolf and still had an important role to play.

I hate that we are meta-gaming on this, but well...

[path12]

Originally Posted by KWhit

You may be right, but that was the whole story of the incident, right? That she sent the PM to people she shouldn't have. The fact that she may have had to type them all in doesn't really matter, I don't think. Either way, it seems to me that she is likely a wolf.

But if you were a wolf, you've likely already talked to your fellow wolves at least once, right? So you'd know that the names you typed weren't the people you talked to before, I would think.

[JHandley]

Isn't a very clear rule that the wolves can converse but the villagers aren't allowed to at all? Tell me you guys haven't all been talking, though, that might explain why I'm still very much in the dark here

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I don't really think that DC/Olliegirl is a wolf. IMHO, after making such a mistake DC wouldn't have left the game if she was a wolf and still had an important role to play.

But then again, why would she be so upset if she was a villager? Surely it'd be more of a deal if you were a wolf and PM'ed random people saying you're a wolf.

[JHandley]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I hate that we are meta-gaming on this, but well...

I don't like it either, which is why I brought it up to Cronin. I'm not a person that can put the toothpaste back in the tube. The information is out there, I can't pretend I don't know it.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE OLIEGIRL

[oliegirl]

DC wasn't a wolf, and neither am I...scan me tonight if it's not too late - I promise you I'm not a wolf.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by JHandley

Isn't a very clear rule that the wolves can converse but the villagers aren't allowed to at all? Tell me you guys haven't all been talking, though, that might explain why I'm still very much in the dark here

Hmm... That's a good point. Makes her look even more wolfish.

Maybe she just cut and pasted the names in and replied.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

VOTE OLIEGIRL

I'm going to have to as well.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by JHandley

I don't like it either, which is why I brought it up to Cronin. I'm not a person that can put the toothpaste back in the tube. The information is out there, I can't pretend I don't know it.

My feelings too. I don't like it, but can't help it. It would be silly to think she's a wolf and then make yourself vote elsewhere.

[path12]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

DC wasn't a wolf, and neither am I...scan me tonight if it's not too late - I promise you I'm not a wolf.

Cronin said all pm's had been sent, so if you were going to be scanned you already were.

[KWhit]

We have a TON of time until lynch, but for the reasons I laid out above:

VOTE OLIEGIRL

[path12]

Gonna wait and see if one of our seers found anything before I do anything. Out for now.

[JHandley]

Really can't think of a reason to wait, I can still switch if something comes out.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

[Schmidty]

The Oliegirl vote seems really bandwagony so far....kind of like the Ant vote.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

The Oliegirl vote seems really bandwagony so far....kind of like the Ant vote.

Strong evidence against her, though.