OT: A Song of Ice and Fire Series (spoilers inside) - Page 24

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 10:29 AM

Apparently there is a game for ASOIAF

http://www.agot-genesis.com/

Honolulu_Blue · 10-05-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Apparently there is a game for ASOIAF

A Game Of Thrones - Genesis

Yeah. There have been various discussions about it here on some video game threads.

Bottom line is that many people (me included) were very concerned about the quality of the game since the company working on it, Cyanide, has pretty bad reputation. Sadly, it appears as many of those concerns were well founded. The game's barely been reviewed and the few reviews/impressions I've read have been pretty negative. The game might have a future through patches/mods, but it sounds like a bit of a dub at the moment. A waste.

GrantDawg · 10-05-2011, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Apparently there is a game for ASOIAF

A Game Of Thrones - Genesis

Got it, and it sucks. Sucks, sucks, sucks.

Lathum · 12-03-2011, 10:23 AM

Just finished the first one. I enjoyed it but not sure why.

PilotMan · 12-11-2011, 10:48 AM

My first post in this thread.

Started reading the series in August. On book 3 right now. Best book series I have ever read. Enjoying the entire story so far.

I cursed today as I passed page 700 of book 3 (paperback). I had to put the book down and just walk away.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-11-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

My first post in this thread.

Started reading the series in August. On book 3 right now. Best book series I have ever read. Enjoying the entire story so far.

Awesome!

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I cursed today as I passed page 700 of book 3 (paperback). I had to put the book down and just walk away.

Yes. You reaction was more than appropriate.

Chief Rum · 12-11-2011, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I cursed today as I passed page 700 of book 3 (paperback). I had to put the book down and just walk away.

That has happened more than once for me in this series.

ISiddiqui · 12-11-2011, 03:20 PM

The incident in Book 3 is like the rite of passage for all fans of Ice & Fire.

DaddyTorgo · 12-11-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

The incident in Book 3 is like the rite of passage for all fans of Ice & Fire.

Yeah - I really wish I could have seen my father's reaction when he read it. He claims that he saw it coming/wasn't that surprised...but I don't believe that.

spleen1015 · 12-11-2011, 03:39 PM

"Holy fuck!"

"What's the matter?"

That's the exchange between my wife and I when I read that. I remember where I was sitting when I read it. Awesome shit that was.

cougarfreak · 12-11-2011, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan

My first post in this thread.

Started reading the series in August. On book 3 right now. Best book series I have ever read. Enjoying the entire story so far.

I cursed today as I passed page 700 of book 3 (paperback). I had to put the book down and just walk away.

I threw the book across the room, at 2 a.m. Didn't pick it up for a day or so. Then I had to reread that part to make sure I hadn't been mistaken.

DaddyTorgo · 12-11-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cougarfreak

I threw the book across the room, at 2 a.m. Didn't pick it up for a day or so. Then I had to reread that part to make sure I hadn't been mistaken.

This was me too.

Landshark44 · 12-11-2011, 05:02 PM

is that the RW?

DaddyTorgo · 12-11-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Landshark44

is that the RW?

Yes

Groundhog · 12-11-2011, 05:09 PM

The second time you read through the chapters leading up to RW it's more chilling because there are a few things I didn't pick up on the first time through.

cougarfreak · 12-29-2011, 09:43 AM

GRRM - Wild Cards Sample

A new sample from the next book, I would guess due sometime in 2020.

RendeR · 12-29-2011, 09:46 AM

Oh you're being far too generous

2020 would probably be his FIRST deadline....

cougarfreak · 12-29-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Oh you're being far too generous

2020 would probably be his FIRST deadline....

Ok, maybe when our Bengals get an actual GM? You know, 2031?

ISiddiqui · 12-29-2011, 11:28 AM

Maybe we need to collect some weirwoods so Martin can dictate it if he dies before the "deadline"

cschex · 12-29-2011, 11:30 AM

Joking aside, that chapter is awesome. I hate that I'll be on my next life as a tree frog by the time it comes out

Simbo Klice · 12-29-2011, 11:48 AM

Nice new preview, I'm going to go against the grain and say that the next book will be on shelves no later than Winter 2013, with the logic being that Martin was kind of biding his time with Dance because he know sales would explode if the HBO series was successful. I'm betting he has a large part of this book (and maybe the rest of the series) at least mapped out in his head and will be looking to strike while the sales iron is hot.

Then again, the HBO series got me into the books and I haven't had to suffer long waits like most of you guys, so I haven't had any hopes shattered by blown deadlines yet.

bronconick · 12-29-2011, 12:03 PM

Martin has not even fired up his old computer to begin writing Winds aside from what got pushed from Dance. Took the rest of the year off aside from book signings, and even I can't honestly blame him for that. Given his love of football, I'd expect mid-February to be the absolute earliest he'll get started. For a winter 2013 release, he'd have to write the book in 18-20 months. Not happening. If things go well, late 2014 would be when I'd expect it on shelves. If they don't go well, he may just throw his hands up and let HBO finish it for him if they don't cancel after 3-4 seasons.

DaddyTorgo · 01-28-2012, 11:20 AM

Interesting theory I just read re: Jon Snow

The greenseer training Bran is actually Bryndan Rivers (AKA Bloodraven), one of Aegon IV's "great bastards" who later became Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. He was the last bearer of "Dark Sister" which was one of the two Valyrian greatswords belonging to the Targaryn's (It was borne by Viseryan - one of Aegon the Conqueror's sister-wives). If Jon meets up with Bran as a warg/resumes human form then this sword could end up in Jon's hands as a Targ-heir, and young Aegon may be weilding Blackfyre (the other Targaryn Valyrian blade, the one that Aegon the Conqueror wielded).

I take no credit for this - just read it on a facebook comment thread as I was eating my breakfast. But yikes.

Also - maybe Jon's body gets tossed onto the fire by Mel (to give them king's blood that they need for the sacrifice), and his dragon-blood leads to his rebirth?

MrBug708 · 01-28-2012, 11:37 AM

Knowing Martin, Jon is probably dead for good...lol

ISiddiqui · 01-28-2012, 11:45 AM

This is one death I actually think is not permanent due to 2 reasons: Melissandre (remember the story of Thoros and Beric Dondarion and Stonheart - that'd be fun for Catelyn and Jon Snow to come back the same way) & the warg chapter in the beginning of the book.

terpkristin · 02-27-2012, 06:55 PM

I posted this on FB, but also posting here. I'm talking with someone about the series but they've only read through ASoS. In which book does Tyrion sit in a toilet? I think it's the end of Storm of Swords but I don't want to discuss it with this person if it's in AFFC...

/tk

terpkristin · 02-27-2012, 06:56 PM

Dola,

Yes, I think I will pre-order the game, even if it sucks... Game of Thrones pre-order includes hardbound art book, hard winter | Joystiq

/tk

JAG · 02-27-2012, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terpkristin

I posted this on FB, but also posting here. I'm talking with someone about the series but they've only read through ASoS. In which book does Tyrion sit in a toilet? I think it's the end of Storm of Swords but I don't want to discuss it with this person if it's in AFFC...

/tk

If you mean Tywin, it's in ASoS.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-27-2012, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terpkristin

I posted this on FB, but also posting here. I'm talking with someone about the series but they've only read through ASoS. In which book does Tyrion sit in a toilet? I think it's the end of Storm of Swords but I don't want to discuss it with this person if it's in AFFC...

/tk

Tyrion isn't in AFFC at all, so it's definitely ASos. And it's definitely AsoS if it's the scene I'm thinking of.

Spoiler

terpkristin · 02-27-2012, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

If you mean Tywin, it's in ASoS.

I mean Tyrion, but I'm sure that was what I was referring to. I guess I was more remembering his crawling up the passage, but I guess he wasn't IN the toilet.

/tk

terpkristin · 02-27-2012, 07:31 PM

Dola,
Thank you.

/tk

DaddyTorgo · 02-27-2012, 08:25 PM

Thanks for the linky on the game TK.

terpkristin · 02-27-2012, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Tyrion isn't in AFFC at all, so it's definitely ASos. And it's definitely AsoS if it's the scene I'm thinking of.

That's the one.

Thanks!!!

Also, you can pre-order the game at Amazon for PS3 or 360 now. I pre-ordered for 360, so I should be getting the art book pre-order bonus.

/tk

GrantDawg · 02-27-2012, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terpkristin

Dola,

Yes, I think I will pre-order the game, even if it sucks... Game of Thrones pre-order includes hardbound art book, hard winter | Joystiq

/tk

I hate to be this way, but....that is the company that made GOT:Genesis, the worst piece of crap I've ever played. I wouldn't pre-order if Dany came to my house to deliver it.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-27-2012, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I hate to be this way, but....that is the company that made GOT:Genesis, the worst piece of crap I've ever played. I wouldn't pre-order if Dany came to my house to deliver it.

What if she were wearing only her dragons?

Honolulu_Blue · 02-28-2012, 03:09 PM

I have been listening to "Clash Of Kings" to prepare for the second season of the HBO show.

This is the frist time I have read/listened to Clash since having finsihed Dance. I noticed a couple of things that were foreshadowed. First, Ramsay Snow hunting women for sport. That's mentioned or, at the very least, referred to in Clash.

Second, and a bit more surprising to me, is there scene where Jon first sort of develops his "warg" talents with Ghost. He is having a dream and it is Bran - via a weirwood - that talks to Jon and opens his "third eye" if you will and allows him to become linked with Ghost. So, the path we saw Bran take in book 5 was something Martin had planned out as early as book 2.

MrBug708 · 04-11-2012, 12:46 AM

Was reading some more stuff on the series and had a few thoughts

Spoiler

DaddyTorgo · 04-11-2012, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I hate to be this way, but....that is the company that made GOT:Genesis, the worst piece of crap I've ever played. I wouldn't pre-order if Dany came to my house to deliver it.

/tk said that she read an interview with Cyanide where they said they know Genesis sucked, and it sucked b/c they were spending most of their time on the RPG. While inexcusable, I'm hoping that's the case.

Like I said - worst case scenario I'll at least be able to journey around and look at stuff I hope. I'll find SOMETHING worth playing in the game if it's not any good.

DaddyTorgo · 04-11-2012, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Was reading some more stuff on the series and had a few thoughts

Spoiler

1. That's pretty much the working understanding on the Internet. No word yet if Martin will change that to throw us all for a loop, but all signs sure have pointed to it from the beginning.

2. Same as 1.

3. I hadn't heard that idea.

4. People like to hope so, but there's really next to no evidence (aside from a common cultural phrase that both use) to support it.

MrBug708 · 04-11-2012, 01:19 AM

#3 would explain why he hasnt made an appearance yet

Vince, Pt. II · 04-11-2012, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Was reading some more stuff on the series and had a few thoughts

Spoiler

Re #2:

Spoiler

DaddyTorgo · 04-11-2012, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Re #2:

Spoiler

IIRC his face was hooded.

ISiddiqui · 04-11-2012, 09:19 AM

It was, but you'd think even then it'd be easy enough to figure out. Though signs seem to point to it.

As to point 1, there have been soooo many signs pointing to it (you can find it over the internet) that if that does NOT turn out to be the case, everyone will be shocked.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-11-2012, 09:45 AM

1. I think it's pretty safe to assume this. So many signs pointing to it. If it turns out not to be the case it will be a huge surprise.

2. I think that was the general thought, but after book 5 I am not sure anymore.

3. I would be very surprised if this were the case. Everything we've learned about the Crannogman makes me believe that they are much more like those in the North in that they believe in the old guys, children of the forest, heart trees and all of that stuff and not the Seven. While we have never met the character, everything we have heard about him makes this notion a pretty wild one.

4. I don't think so. People want to believe because Syrio was so cool, but I think they are very different people.

DaddyTorgo · 04-11-2012, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

1. I think it's pretty safe to assume this. So many signs pointing to it. If it turns out not to be the case it will be a huge surprise.

2. I think that was the general thought, but after book 5 I am not sure anymore.

3. I would be very surprised if this were the case. Everything we've learned about the Crannogman makes me believe that they are much more like those in the North in that they believe in the old guys, children of the forest, heart trees and all of that stuff and not the Seven. While we have never met the character, everything we have heard about him makes this notion a pretty wild one.

4. I don't think so. People want to believe because Syrio was so cool, but I think they are very different people.

Very good point about #3 HB.

BrianD · 04-11-2012, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

1. I think it's pretty safe to assume this. So many signs pointing to it. If it turns out not to be the case it will be a huge surprise.

Is there a compilation of these signs anywhere? I totally missed them.

spleen1015 · 04-11-2012, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianD

Is there a compilation of these signs anywhere? I totally missed them.

This helped my understanding of the situation quite a bit.

Jon Snow/Theories - A Wiki of Ice and Fire

Chief Rum · 04-11-2012, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianD

Is there a compilation of these signs anywhere? I totally missed them.

Yeah, I think I have seen this referenced and maybe even remember one or two, but a comprehensive list would be nice to see.

Chief Rum · 04-11-2012, 11:14 AM

And there we go.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-11-2012, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianD

Is there a compilation of these signs anywhere? I totally missed them.

The Citadel: FAQ - 6.2.1. Who are Jon Snow’s parents?

12-11-2011, 10:48 AM	#1155
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	My first post in this thread. Started reading the series in August. On book 3 right now. Best book series I have ever read. Enjoying the entire story so far. I cursed today as I passed page 700 of book 3 (paperback). I had to put the book down and just walk away. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

12-11-2011, 03:20 PM	#1158
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	The incident in Book 3 is like the rite of passage for all fans of Ice & Fire. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-11-2011, 05:09 PM	#1165
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	The second time you read through the chapters leading up to RW it's more chilling because there are a few things I didn't pick up on the first time through. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

12-29-2011, 09:43 AM	#1166
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	GRRM - Wild Cards Sample A new sample from the next book, I would guess due sometime in 2020. __________________ “I don’t like the Cubs,” Joey Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back."

12-29-2011, 09:46 AM	#1167
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Oh you're being far too generous 2020 would probably be his FIRST deadline.... __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-05-2011, 10:29 AM	#1151
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Apparently there is a game for ASOIAF http://www.agot-genesis.com/

12-03-2011, 10:23 AM	#1154
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Just finished the first one. I enjoyed it but not sure why.

12-11-2011, 03:39 PM	#1160
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	"Holy fuck!" "What's the matter?" That's the exchange between my wife and I when I read that. I remember where I was sitting when I read it. Awesome shit that was.

12-11-2011, 05:02 PM	#1163
Landshark44 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Atlantic City, NJ	is that the RW?

12-29-2011, 11:28 AM	#1169
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Maybe we need to collect some weirwoods so Martin can dictate it if he dies before the "deadline" __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-29-2011, 11:30 AM	#1170
cschex High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX	Joking aside, that chapter is awesome. I hate that I'll be on my next life as a tree frog by the time it comes out

12-29-2011, 11:48 AM	#1171
Simbo Klice High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2009	Nice new preview, I'm going to go against the grain and say that the next book will be on shelves no later than Winter 2013, with the logic being that Martin was kind of biding his time with Dance because he know sales would explode if the HBO series was successful. I'm betting he has a large part of this book (and maybe the rest of the series) at least mapped out in his head and will be looking to strike while the sales iron is hot. Then again, the HBO series got me into the books and I haven't had to suffer long waits like most of you guys, so I haven't had any hopes shattered by blown deadlines yet.

12-29-2011, 12:03 PM	#1172
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Martin has not even fired up his old computer to begin writing Winds aside from what got pushed from Dance. Took the rest of the year off aside from book signings, and even I can't honestly blame him for that. Given his love of football, I'd expect mid-February to be the absolute earliest he'll get started. For a winter 2013 release, he'd have to write the book in 18-20 months. Not happening. If things go well, late 2014 would be when I'd expect it on shelves. If they don't go well, he may just throw his hands up and let HBO finish it for him if they don't cancel after 3-4 seasons.

01-28-2012, 11:20 AM	#1173
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Interesting theory I just read re: Jon Snow The greenseer training Bran is actually Bryndan Rivers (AKA Bloodraven), one of Aegon IV's "great bastards" who later became Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. He was the last bearer of "Dark Sister" which was one of the two Valyrian greatswords belonging to the Targaryn's (It was borne by Viseryan - one of Aegon the Conqueror's sister-wives). If Jon meets up with Bran as a warg/resumes human form then this sword could end up in Jon's hands as a Targ-heir, and young Aegon may be weilding Blackfyre (the other Targaryn Valyrian blade, the one that Aegon the Conqueror wielded). I take no credit for this - just read it on a facebook comment thread as I was eating my breakfast. But yikes. Also - maybe Jon's body gets tossed onto the fire by Mel (to give them king's blood that they need for the sacrifice), and his dragon-blood leads to his rebirth? Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 01-28-2012 at 11:21 AM.

01-28-2012, 11:37 AM	#1174
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Knowing Martin, Jon is probably dead for good...lol

01-28-2012, 11:45 AM	#1175
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	This is one death I actually think is not permanent due to 2 reasons: Melissandre (remember the story of Thoros and Beric Dondarion and Stonheart - that'd be fun for Catelyn and Jon Snow to come back the same way) & the warg chapter in the beginning of the book. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

02-27-2012, 06:55 PM	#1176
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	I posted this on FB, but also posting here. I'm talking with someone about the series but they've only read through ASoS. In which book does Tyrion sit in a toilet? I think it's the end of Storm of Swords but I don't want to discuss it with this person if it's in AFFC... /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

02-27-2012, 06:56 PM	#1177
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Dola, Yes, I think I will pre-order the game, even if it sucks... Game of Thrones pre-order includes hardbound art book, hard winter \| Joystiq /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

02-27-2012, 07:31 PM	#1181
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Dola, Thank you. /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

02-27-2012, 08:25 PM	#1182
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Thanks for the linky on the game TK.

02-28-2012, 03:09 PM	#1186
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	I have been listening to "Clash Of Kings" to prepare for the second season of the HBO show. This is the frist time I have read/listened to Clash since having finsihed Dance. I noticed a couple of things that were foreshadowed. First, Ramsay Snow hunting women for sport. That's mentioned or, at the very least, referred to in Clash. Second, and a bit more surprising to me, is there scene where Jon first sort of develops his "warg" talents with Ghost. He is having a dream and it is Bran - via a weirwood - that talks to Jon and opens his "third eye" if you will and allows him to become linked with Ghost. So, the path we saw Bran take in book 5 was something Martin had planned out as early as book 2. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

04-11-2012, 12:46 AM	#1187
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Was reading some more stuff on the series and had a few thoughts Spoiler Is it mostly accepted that Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen? Benjen is Coldhands, right? Any chance that Howland Reed is the high sparrow? Syrio Forel isn't Jaqen H'ghar?, is he? Seems like a big stretch, even for Martin? Last edited by MrBug708 : 04-11-2012 at 12:47 AM.

04-11-2012, 01:19 AM	#1190
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	#3 would explain why he hasnt made an appearance yet

04-11-2012, 09:19 AM	#1193
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	It was, but you'd think even then it'd be easy enough to figure out. Though signs seem to point to it. As to point 1, there have been soooo many signs pointing to it (you can find it over the internet) that if that does NOT turn out to be the case, everyone will be shocked. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-11-2012, 09:45 AM	#1194
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	1. I think it's pretty safe to assume this. So many signs pointing to it. If it turns out not to be the case it will be a huge surprise. 2. I think that was the general thought, but after book 5 I am not sure anymore. 3. I would be very surprised if this were the case. Everything we've learned about the Crannogman makes me believe that they are much more like those in the North in that they believe in the old guys, children of the forest, heart trees and all of that stuff and not the Seven. While we have never met the character, everything we have heard about him makes this notion a pretty wild one. 4. I don't think so. People want to believe because Syrio was so cool, but I think they are very different people. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

04-11-2012, 11:14 AM	#1199
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	And there we go. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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