Werewolf: The Rebirth (Game Over! Thank you for playing)

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Grover

I'm also wondering how wise it was for me to divulge that information, same as britrock saying he got an offer to do this or that.

As a new player: is something like that in the general spirit of the game?

The other item that is constantly on my mind is... at any given point anything can be a lie (other than what EF tells us of course). It's the story as a whole that has to add up. Intriguing game... very intriguing.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I don't think it is my best interest to share the specifics at this time. I have a reason for going on this mission and those are related to my skills, but that is all I am willing to say at this moment.

Curiouser and curiouser.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by timmae

The other item that is constantly on my mind is... at any given point anything can be a lie (other than what EF tells us of course). It's the story as a whole that has to add up. Intriguing game... very intriguing.

Yeah, I'm really having fun with this. Hopefully the WW renaissance continues after this game!

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by Grover

I'm also wondering how wise it was for me to divulge that information, same as britrock saying he got an offer to do this or that.

As a new player: is something like that in the general spirit of the game?

I'm not sure. I started out trying to play as if we were in the situation and not realizing that this was going to be a witch hunt. But from what I have seen we use OOC information constantly. Although I'm still not willing share my attributes as that feels wrong. My picture of dog the bounty hunter should be enough of a hint as to where my attributes sit.

[Autumn]

I want to emphasize that "supplies" doesn't mean "food". Hopefully there would be food there, but also other things. Schmidty's report mentioned that we had limited medical supplies. I am guessing that we have things like that and probably engineering and research supplies that we dropped. I think it's key to get those things.

[Autumn]

I would like a crystal clear answer from our Sheriff: as Sheriff have you been given any actions or abilities you can take that you didn't have previously? Have you been told that there is any way to gain actions, such as investigating or guarding or arresting?

[saldana]

gotta say, this is rather unique in terms of a game where we have a night kill already but no option for a day kill.

i would imagine that the biodome will start providing supplies as of tomorrow, so i dont think food will be an issue after that kicks in, however, we also dont know if the supplies that were dropped include more than just food...i think we need to get our hands on those...could be lots of usable things in there that could help us in different ways than just food

next project: fix communications
current activitiy: collect supply drop

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I would like a crystal clear answer from our Sheriff: as Sheriff have you been given any actions or abilities you can take that you didn't have previously? Have you been told that there is any way to gain actions, such as investigating or guarding or arresting?

This is the only reason why I feel like Thomkal has been pushing so heavily for us to institute the government.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Grover

This is the only reason why I feel like Thomkal has been pushing so heavily for us to institute the government.

But I feel like I haven't been able to nail down if he's just guessing that, or has been told something.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

I'm not sure. I started out trying to play as if we were in the situation and not realizing that this was going to be a witch hunt. But from what I have seen we use OOC information constantly. Although I'm still not willing share my attributes as that feels wrong. My picture of dog the bounty hunter should be enough of a hint as to where my attributes sit.

as someone who has been in more of these games than i can count, i would say it is perfectly fine to say that you have received some kind of offer...

reason being, it may or may not be true!

the number of flat out lies that have been told about the contents of PMs is pretty much infinite...thats one of the reasons you cannot quote your PM directly, and that all vanilla PMs are the same...games have been won and lost based on people discussing their PMs...what i would say is, as long as you arent quoting directly, and you havent been told you cant say something specific (like our skill numbers), you are OK talking about it.

[Grover]

Thanks sal! Exactly the answer I was looking for.

[EagleFan]

As of post 1161

Next Project
Government 7 - Shoveler (986), Narcizo (999), Suicane75 (1002), JAG (1009), Grover (1018), timmae (1046), The Jackal (1074)
Medical Center 4 - DanGarion (1001), Autumn (1022), Chief Rum (1043), britrock88 (1107)
Repair Communicator 2 - Sharkn20 (1025), saldana (1157)
No Vote 1 - CrimsonFox (985)

Action
Collect Supplies 8 - CrimsonFox (985), Narcizo (999), Suicane75 (1002), Grover (1018), Autumn (1022), timmae (1046), britrock88 (1107), saldana (1157)
Next Project 4 - Shoveler (986), JAG (1009), Chief Rum (1043), The Jackal (1074)
Explore 2 - DanGarion (1001), Sharkn25 (1025)


Scientific Research Staff
Pending fontisian's appointments


Yet to Vote
fontisian, ntndeeacon, Thomkal, GoldenEagle, Raven, Danny, Zinto

[Zinto]

I still think we can't completely dismiss the idea of fixing the communicators. What if we are missing some important information from back home? It can't be totally useless.

[Autumn]

I imagine the communication will be very useful, as it will most likely allow us access to information which can help us find the stowaway.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

The folks that keep pushing us away from government for the past two days should make the short (probably long) list of potential suspects. Especially those that have been using previous game reasons for other facilities first.

Our suspect probably wants us to delay on giving our Sheriff additional abilities. Delaying this selection longer is just enabling further catastrophe.

For once I agree with you on something Makes sense our suspect(s) want nothing to do with developing ways of finding them.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Thomkal you need an assistant? I'll hold youd your bag and say things like "What's that, Doctor?" and "Great scott! That's remarkable Holmes!"

Sorry that's what I have Britrock for

[EagleFan]

More rudimentary...

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by saldana

as someone who has been in more of these games than i can count, i would say it is perfectly fine to say that you have received some kind of offer...

reason being, it may or may not be true!

the number of flat out lies that have been told about the contents of PMs is pretty much infinite...thats one of the reasons you cannot quote your PM directly, and that all vanilla PMs are the same...games have been won and lost based on people discussing their PMs...what i would say is, as long as you arent quoting directly, and you havent been told you cant say something specific (like our skill numbers), you are OK talking about it.

this +1

also for new players who might not know the lingo, "vanilla" in WW means a standard "villager" (in the villager vs wolf sense) role with no powers, which isn't really applicable when there are backstories and skill points

[EagleFan]

What Was That?!?!

You can't believe your eyes. You see something falling down from the sky and it appears to land somewhere over the mountain ridge. It looks like it may have landed somewhere near the site that you saw as you were landing.

You hear no explosions, so it must not have crashed. It was a streak but it looked like a craft of some sort. It definitely began to slow just before you lost it over the ridge.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

What Was That?!?!

You can't believe your eyes. You see something falling down from the sky and it appears to land somewhere over the mountain ridge. It looks like it may have landed somewhere near the site that you saw as you were landing.

You hear no explosions, so it must not have crashed. It was a streak but it looked like a craft of some sort. It definitely began to slow just before you lost it over the ridge.

Oh crap oh crap oh crap oh crap.

[The Jackal]

Moose and squirrel?

[The Jackal]

So.. does that make us want to explore more or less?

[Narcizo]

It's the Ruskies.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Autumn

But I feel like I haven't been able to nail down if he's just guessing that, or has been told something.

You remember earlier when I mentioned the possibility of needing to build a "security facility"? things like a jail? I asked EF if this was an available building to build, and was told that I would need to get the government created first before those options were possible. Much like what the scientists are no doubt finding out with the research labs now I imagine.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Using Zinto's logic about the DanGarion leadership vote:

1. DanGarion sabotaged his own vote to protect his identity.
or...
2. One of our other members is not who they say they are:

a. Scientist: Narcizo, Sharkn20
b. Engineer: Grover, CrimsonFox
c. Doctor: Chief Rum
d. Sheriff: Shoveler

Aptitude testing time.

Or, once again, any number of other possible explanations that we can't possibly judge because we don't have enough information.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by timmae

Change to recommended group... timmae, Raven, GoldenEagle

At least until I obtain some feedback on Shark and Narc.

What feedback are you expecting? I'm at least as good as good a scientist as you are. If I am suspicious for some reason then you're better off keeping me where you can keep an eye on me and judge my scientific ability. If I'm sciencing it up then there's no chance I'm converting or killing someone. Not fantastically bothered but it seems a waste to not have the best scientist in the group not working on sciency things.

[EagleFan]

Will be out to dinner with the family from around 5:30 to 7:30 so I will be away from the thread at that time.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Vote: next project Medical center

post 989

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Vote work on next project

post 1103

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

What feedback are you expecting? I'm at least as good as good a scientist as you are. If I am suspicious for some reason then you're better off keeping me where you can keep an eye on me and judge my scientific ability. If I'm sciencing it up then there's no chance I'm converting or killing someone. Not fantastically bothered but it seems a waste to not have the best scientist in the group not working on sciency things.

Font's call... probably with feedback from sherriff.

My fear was with having the stowaway over in the research center picking us off one by one with no knowledge by the rest of the colonists because we have no government or they are out picking apples or scouting mountain ranges for the next door neighbors who may or not be fire breathing dragons and then ending up with minimal science ability.

[saldana]

so what appears to be a landing craft touching down has me torn on my decisions.

part of me wants to get to our supply drop before anyone else that may be here can steal it, as i still think there will be more than just food there

part of me now wants the government established more quickly in case there are security benefits from some kind of organization/law enforcement arm

and part of me wants to stick to the communications so we can either find out from earth if there is someone here with us, or even better, directly communicate with whomever may have just joined us.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

It's the Ruskies.

"You think you're tough for eating beans every day? There's half a million scarecrows in Denver who'd give anything for one mouthful of what you got. They've been under siege for about three months. They live on rats and sawdust bread and sometimes... on each other. At night, the pyres for the dead light up the sky. It's medieval." Colonel from Red Dawn...

[Thomkal]

EF,

I did vote shortly after you opened it last night (at least one other person did too), but I would have had to have change it today since I got confused over what I was voting for. So consider this my official vote:

unvote all
vote government
vote next project

my vote for the next project after govt would be for the medical center-can't put that off any longer

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

You remember earlier when I mentioned the possibility of needing to build a "security facility"? things like a jail? I asked EF if this was an available building to build, and was told that I would need to get the government created first before those options were possible. Much like what the scientists are no doubt finding out with the research labs now I imagine.

Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for, but hadn't seen it spelled out yet. Yes, then I can see government as important.

I think I would still vote we collect supplies first though, I think we may be hamstrung without those.

[Thomkal]

We clearly need to send people to investigate what's going on with the other side of that mountain ridge, but right now that just seems too dangerous. I'd rather wait to see what options are available to us after we get our government established. That's up to Font to decide though not myself.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for, but hadn't seen it spelled out yet. Yes, then I can see government as important.

I think I would still vote we collect supplies first though, I think we may be hamstrung without those.

I go back and forth on how important gathering supplies might be. I still think it was worth the health/hunger risk last turn, but now though it might be time even with the bio-dome going online tomorrow.

[Thomkal]

Speaking of the research labs, is there anything they scientists want to reveal about them yet?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

We clearly need to send people to investigate what's going on with the other side of that mountain ridge, but right now that just seems too dangerous. I'd rather wait to see what options are available to us after we get our government established. That's up to Font to decide though not myself.

this is a mistake...we should not send anyone anywhere until we are prepared to defend ourselves against whatever comes back

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Speaking of the research labs, is there anything they scientists want to reveal about them yet?

No knowledge yet... we should have them tomorrow but I am waiting for feedback from Font as to who will be going over there. EF states in post #982:

"Day Two Options

fontisian as leader may decide:
- who works on Schmidty
- who works in the science research center (these resources will be pulled away from the colony resources and can begin their own projects on day three)"

The projects will start on Day 3 if we staff the center tomorrow (decide who is going today). If we don't decide then the projects are delayed for another day, I assume. I recommend sending 3 or 4 scientists depending on whether Font feels we need additional bodies to do other stuff. I assume we will find out what projects we can have at our disposal once we get to the center. I have no clue as to what is involved other than what I see above.

[Raven]

I see my name being tossed around to work in the Science Center, but I'd request to be put to work in the BioDome instead, once that is complete. If we're growing food in the BioDome, I think that's the most logical place to put the farmer.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by timmae

No knowledge yet... we should have them tomorrow but I am waiting for feedback from Font as to who will be going over there. EF states in post #982:

"Day Two Options

fontisian as leader may decide:
- who works on Schmidty
- who works in the science research center (these resources will be pulled away from the colony resources and can begin their own projects on day three)"

The projects will start on Day 3 if we staff the center tomorrow (decide who is going today). If we don't decide then the projects are delayed for another day, I assume. I recommend sending 3 or 4 scientists depending on whether Font feels we need additional bodies to do other stuff. I assume we will find out what projects we can have at our disposal once we get to the center. I have no clue as to what is involved other than what I see above.

I suppose just in case Font does not show up today, we should all make sure we vote for your recommendations then.

vote for font's choice to staff lab then timmae's if no font

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Raven

I see my name being tossed around to work in the Science Center, but I'd request to be put to work in the BioDome instead, once that is complete. If we're growing food in the BioDome, I think that's the most logical place to put the farmer.

Makes sense. Anyone know how many others are needed for the biodome to function at its peak?

Anyone know staffing for tomorrow?

Biodome - Raven, ???
Research Center - Timmae, Narcizo, SharkN20, GoldenEagle
Supply Gathering - Jag, Britrock, Suicane???
rest to build?

Trying to wrap my arms around the daily tasks of all.

[timmae]

A quick reminder...

Fontisian (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor
DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (AWFUL) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic
Zinto - CEO
Suicane - PHYSICAL (GOOD), retired politician with history of public service
Crimsonfox – SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD?) , SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE) , automechanic,
timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type"
Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background.
Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility
SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills
GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD?) computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes
Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general
Chief Rum (PRIMARY DOCTOR) – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (AWFUL) worked in ER
ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor
bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes.
thomkal (SHERRIFF) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE)retired Army general. primary concerns safety
shoveler - Private investigator
JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training
Jackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) MIT Prof of Engineering
Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE) 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
saldana – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), pHYSICAL (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD) city planner
Danny ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), SOCIAL (BAD)
Schmidty

[EagleFan]

As of post 1192

Next Project
Government 8 - Shoveler (986), Narcizo (999), Suicane75 (1002), JAG (1009), Grover (1018), timmae (1046), The Jackal (1074), Thomkal (1183)
Medical Center 5 - ntndeacon, (989), DanGarion (1001), Autumn (1022), Chief Rum (1043), britrock88 (1107)
Repair Communicator 2 - Sharkn20 (1025), saldana (1157)
No Vote 1 - CrimsonFox (985)

Action
Collect Supplies 8 - CrimsonFox (985), Narcizo (999), Suicane75 (1002), Grover (1018), Autumn (1022), timmae (1046), britrock88 (1107), saldana (1157)
Next Project 6 - Shoveler (986), JAG (1009), Chief Rum (1043), The Jackal (1074), ntndacon (1103), Thomkal (1183)
Explore 2 - DanGarion (1001), Sharkn25 (1025)


Scientific Research Staff
Pending fontisian's appointments


Yet to Vote
fontisian, GoldenEagle, Raven, Danny, Zinto

[Zinto]

vote government
vote next project

[GoldenEagle]

vote repair communicator
vote collect supplies

[Thomkal]

off for a bit

[Raven]

I'd like to collect supplies, but I think that it's black and white - the supplies are either safe or there is danger involved with that mission.

If the supplies are safe
- waiting one more day won't hurt much.
- we'll be a little hungrier, but the BioDome will be completed tonight and we can quickly recover from hunger.
- but by waiting we can then have a Govt Center or Medical Center up and running. We'll also have the Science Center and BioDome. Giving us 3 buildings towards our research trees.

If the supplies are not safe
- There is almost certainly some danger involved with that mission.
- Without a medical center, we could lose someone either through death or serious injury (taking them out of commission for a few days).

I understand the desire to get the Govt center up and running, but I feel like if we do, then it would be foolish to ignore the Medical Center and begin sending people out to gather supplies.

I say we get the Medical Center up tonight and expedite it's completion.
Tomorrow we focus on the Govt Building and Supply Gathering.

vote
Next Project - Medical Center
Action - Next Project

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Using Zinto's logic about the DanGarion leadership vote:

1. DanGarion sabotaged his own vote to protect his identity.
or...
2. One of our other members is not who they say they are:

a. Scientist: Narcizo, Sharkn20
b. Engineer: Grover, CrimsonFox
c. Doctor: Chief Rum
d. Sheriff: Shoveler

Aptitude testing time.

Cross referencing this list with those who currently have voted against Government as the next build presents one name in common. He happens to have been overseeing schmidty as well.

Chief Rum.

Thom, can you interrogate him?

Chief, I mean no harm... just looking at evidence.

[JAG]

font, in case you wanted my opinion, here is the order I would staff the science building:

Narc for sure, sharkN20 (if a second is desired), Danny (if a third is desired).

Probably the first two would be my pick. Danny has skills in engineering too which could be useful elsewhere. I wouldn't pick anyone else because the research building says it adds the average of the staff working there and that way you're using the top science people to generate that score...assuming they have been forthright with their ability scores.