WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN

[The Jackal]

Sorry sal

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Danny

Frankly, the minister is not that important if he's revealed

That's why I would think the real minister would counter if lathum was lying

[Grammaticus]

You waited too long. Im on a smart phone. Didn't even see your reveal until I posted. Would take two minutes to unvite in bold.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

That's why I would think the real minister would counter if lathum was lying

In the three minutes Lathum gave him?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

That's why I would think the real minister would counter if lathum was lying

I would think so too, but we still don't know for sure if every role is in the game. I would think the minister is only in the game if the vampire is. A wolf may know there is know vampire and then reveal as the minister.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Autumn

In the three minutes Lathum gave him?

Nah, I mean in the next day before the next deadline.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Autumn

In the three minutes Lathum gave him?

And this

[Danny]

no vampire*

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Danny

I would think so too, but we still don't know for sure if every role is in the game. I would think the minister is only in the game if the vampire is. A wolf may know there is know vampire and then reveal as the minister.

That's a good point, and I think Lathum will be looked at hard no matter what.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Yeah, I think that was too late for a reveal, Lathum. If it's legit you got some 'splainin' to do.

why? I was two votes down until 5 minutes before the deadline. I would rather hope to ride it out than reveal but thanks to Hoops and Zinto my hand was forced.

The better question is why did they cast their votes so late? Would it be to try and prevent me from revealing?

If I was a wolf I would have revealed way sooner, if for no other reason than to sow confusion and doubt.

[The Jackal]

It was certainly a very late reveal, point of discussion #1.

I'm going to watch a little tv and get some sleep, check back in with you tomorrow. I'll tone down the crazy meter and shoot for some real analysis.

[CrimsonFox]

apparently I did, Jackal. *SNAP*

[dzilla77]

Well I'm off to bed. Lots to think about tomorrow.

[Grammaticus]

The time for a different minister reveal would be tomorrow am.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

That's why I would think the real minister would counter if lathum was lying

If someone wants to counter today they are welcome to. I know my role isn't that great once revealed, which is why I kept it quiet until the end

[Zinto]

Honestly if I was Lathum and I didn't have to reveal tonight I wouldn't have. He was pushed into it by Hoops and me. I am not saying that it is 100% legit but I believe it.

[Danny]

Despite the myriad of role reveals, at least they have not been one of our three most important roles

[hoopsguy]

Well, got quiet here. Suppose I'll check back in tomorrow morning since a bunch of folks seem to be on lockdown leading up to the night deadline.

[Danny]

Yeah, I guess there's just not much to say until we see the night results.

[CrimsonFox]

Jackal, why...why....WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

[Danny]

Villagers and wolves alike should keep Crimson alive if for no other reason to ensure this games reached the top five in total posts. Oh and I would help read that too

[Danny]

Unless you want to be rid of typos, then I would be a good person to kill

[Lathum]

I'm willing to chat

[Danny]

The more I think about it, I actually think Lathum is telling the truth. His role is far more valuable unrevealed, and I can see why he waited. I also still think there's a very good chance all roles are in the game with such a high player count and the fact that most roles can still be converted or corrupted.

[Danny]

EF said something about being real busy in real life right?

[hoopsguy]

EF did, Danny.

Lathum, my vote wasn't motivated by a desire to "box you in" - I just didn't think any of the three choices were particularly likely and decided you probably had the greatest likelihood of being converted by attentive Servants. I knew it was a high-pressure vote coming late in a close race, but it wasn't something trying to dictate your behavior. It was a vote to try and get a Servant, given what I thought were a bad collection of choices.

[CrimsonFox]

EF is running a baseball draft tonight which I missed because I am here and forgot to get ready for it. I hope you appreciate the sacrifices i make for my fellow lightbringers.

[CrimsonFox]

I never thought Lathum was a wolf for 1 second.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

EF did, Danny.

Lathum, my vote wasn't motivated by a desire to "box you in" - I just didn't think any of the three choices were particularly likely and decided you probably had the greatest likelihood of being converted by attentive Servants. I knew it was a high-pressure vote coming late in a close race, but it wasn't something trying to dictate your behavior. It was a vote to try and get a Servant, given what I thought were a bad collection of choices.

yeah, but you had to know your vote would create confusion, not to mention a potential tie. It's not a very villager friendly vote and you attempting to hide behind the "I went with who I thought was the most likely candidate" logic doesn't sit well.

[hoopsguy]

Did you think either Saldana or Jackal were as well? Obviously we both have complete info on Saldana at this point, but Jackal is still up for grabs.

[hoopsguy]

Note that I'm not condemning you for making a role reveal - it just was a tough spot to be in trying to evaluate it with so little time.

I'm not sure what criteria I'm supposed to use if not "most likely wolf" ... I had an earlier vote in for an alternate candidate I considered more likely, but it didn't get much support. Which, in and of itself, was kind of weird for me. I'm used to seeing the candidates I float get tons of support, and then I worry about their popularity. But I digress ... Anyway, after seeing the candidate I wanted to pursue go by the wayside, I settled on the last three and ended up on you. For better or worse, depending on how authentic the reveal was, I suppose.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Did you think either Saldana or Jackal were as well? Obviously we both have complete info on Saldana at this point, but Jackal is still up for grabs.

That doesn't matter. My point is you can't call me out for making a late reveal when you are the one who put me in that spot by making a very late vote.

[dubb93]

Lathum, if you are a wolf, please for the love of god act like you scan me tonight. We owe Abe some fireworks if your reveal was fake.

[Lathum]

Hate to disappoint but I wasn't fake revealing. And I don't see anything about wolves being able to scan in the rules.

[Danny]

Dubb, that's not the role he claimed

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Danny

Dubb, that's not the role he claimed

Ah, well I haven't been paying any attention really. I thought he claimed seer.

[CrimsonFox]

WTF a scanning wolf?

[Lathum]

I'm a wolf and scanned myself and found out I wasn't a wolf. Just a confused hairy dude.

[CrimsonFox]

Dear Tinker Claus,
How R U? How's Mrs. Tinker Claus? I have been extremely good this year. I didn't push anyone into the sacred flame who wasn't supposed to go. Please leave something special in my stocking tonight. I will leave a shortbread cookie for you and some milk and some oil for your robotic reindeer.

Yours truly,

Crimson Fox

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm a wolf and scanned myself and found out I wasn't a wolf. Just a confused hairy dude.

this is the greatest truth you have ever told in a werewolf game

[dubb93]

You guys are completely ridiculous. I thought he claimed seer. I thought he might really be a wolf thus you could expect a fake scan result tomorrow. Can't leave you guys alone for 30 minutes.

[CrimsonFox]

is it possible to have multiple items in a game? and use both?

[CrimsonFox]

let me try that again. Is it possible to have multiple items in your possession and keep them and actually use all the ones you have? Since items are passed i would assume yes.

[CrimsonFox]

and this game has already passed up total posts for many complete games and it's only day 2. awesome.

[EagleFan]

Jeez, I have this many posts to read through?

Anyone have a summary?


Sorry, was tied up all evening with the first 10 rounds of the ELB draft (thanks to the other WW players who are involved as well). Have more league stuff to do before getting to bed tonight.

I really should have opted out with my schedule tied up with the league and work (keep your fingers crossed, I had put in for what I believe to be a more stable job in a different division of our company a while back and never heard anything back so I assumed it was dead. today I received a request from the person that I interviewed with to meet tomorrow. with the threats of layoffs in our division this could be great timing.).

[Danny]

If active players stay alive and this turns out to be a lengthy game, I see no reason it won't reach the top 10 at a minimum.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by dubb93

You guys are completely ridiculous. I thought he claimed seer. I thought he might really be a wolf thus you could expect a fake scan result tomorrow. Can't leave you guys alone for 30 minutes.

Eh, I understood you

[Abe Sargent]

Your abe is processing stuff now

[Abe Sargent]

Once again, if you get pms early, don;t post, yadda yadda.

[CrimsonFox]

yadayadayada