Werewolf XXVI: The Thing - GAME OVER! THINGS WIN!!!

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Post #1018

That doesnt fly, you said in 374 why your reasoning for day 1 wasnt enough for a day 2 vote, and how you know were far more certain he was not a thing then day 1...thats a conversion move if ive ever seen 1.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Wow am I thrilled that unzipping my fly is going to prove to be totally useless now.

Guess what? Unless there IS a bodyguard out there, if I'm voted today, the odds of me getting converted go from high to damn near 100%. The Things can't afford to do otherwise.

Can say all you want about how only a Thing doesn't want to be tested, but voting me is going to fuck us.

I hadn't even thought about this night's possible conversion, but that just makes it absolutely impossible for CW to be a Thing. Test him tomorrow, fine. But testing him today seems like a waste.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

This is what I mean about you not reading.

Directed towards Blade. Too many damn posts at once.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I hadn't even thought about this night's possible conversion, but that just makes it absolutely impossible for CW to be a Thing. Test him tomorrow, fine. But testing him today seems like a waste.

And tomorrow, just like today, someone will make an excuse why he shouldn't be tested that day, either. No, he needs to be tested, and tested tonight, otherwise he never will be.

[Coffee Warlord]

Since apparently there's noone else moving to Dubb.

Unvote Dubb

Vote Blade

Even though I'm pretty damn certain Blade is fine and Dubb is our Thing.

[mckerney]

unvote blade

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I already responded to this.

I had asked for it but you never answered it to my satisifaction. I really think we've fucked up today.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

That doesnt fly, you said in 374 why your reasoning for day 1 wasnt enough for a day 2 vote, and how you know were far more certain he was not a thing then day 1...thats a conversion move if ive ever seen 1.

You do realize that you're arguing that I wanted saldana (a known Thing) dead right?

Anyhow, Post #374 talked about day 1. Post #375 talked about day 2. A lot happened inbetween those times. To be clear, there wasn't a real candidate on day 2 other than Barkeep (who claimed the kill). Again, I voted for saldana since the information was the same and his reaction was somewhat curious.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

And tomorrow, just like today, someone will make an excuse why he shouldn't be tested that day, either. No, he needs to be tested, and tested tonight, otherwise he never will be.

You're oversimplifying. Assume he's the seer, unconverted: The Things HAVE to convert him tonight, otherwise he gets another view. So on Day 4 he'll definitely have my vote. I think we can clean things up before day 4, though.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I had asked for it but you never answered it to my satisifaction. I really think we've fucked up today.

Well, if I didn't answer to your satisfaction, why didn't you say so?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Actually, since we've all voted, I beileve that our esteemed GM can call time at any moment.


-Anxiety

I'm guessing we still have some time, disregarding the recent vote changes, as Schmidty has been late coming around.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Since apparently there's noone else moving to Dubb.

Unvote Dubb

Vote Blade

Even though I'm pretty damn certain Blade is fine and Dubb is our Thing.

I sooo called he would swap and not let himself be tested...and hes setting it up for dubb to get tested tomorrow...the pieces are starting to fall just like i expected:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

So its basically a tie as i doubt Coffee will keep his vote on dubb and let himself be tested currently. Maybe im mistaken though, which would be a bad thing with what i could imply

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I had asked for it but you never answered it to my satisifaction. I really think we've fucked up today.

These are really two seperate statements and thoughts.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Well, if I didn't answer to your satisfaction, why didn't you say so?

I did but I pulled a Blade and buried it in a longer post. I can go back and find it if you'd like.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

And tomorrow, just like today, someone will make an excuse why he shouldn't be tested that day, either. No, he needs to be tested, and tested tonight, otherwise he never will be.

Hi! This is Mr. Logic! Let's play my game!

Let's pretend for a minute that every word I have said is the truth.

Situation: I am voted tonight, and cleared.

Result:
Either converted, which is the obvious play.
Or not converted, because either way, my credibility is shot. I almost certainly have to be tested tomorrow as well.

How is this useful to the scientific community?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

You do realize that you're arguing that I wanted saldana (a known Thing) dead right?

Anyhow, Post #374 talked about day 1. Post #375 talked about day 2. A lot happened inbetween those times. To be clear, there wasn't a real candidate on day 2 other than Barkeep (who claimed the kill). Again, I voted for saldana since the information was the same and his reaction was somewhat curious.

No, you wanted it to appear like you did...when you voted him it put him into a 4-way tie...and barkeep looked the likely canidate to be tested. Your move was innocuous, and if saldana ever did die you could trumpet your voting record(which you already have)...its all soo simple

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Hi! This is Mr. Logic! Let's play my game!

Let's pretend for a minute that every word I have said is the truth.

Situation: I am voted tonight, and cleared.

Result:
Either converted, which is the obvious play.
Or not converted, because either way, my credibility is shot. I almost certainly have to be tested tomorrow as well.

How is this useful to the scientific community?

one word: bodyguard

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I did but I pulled a Blade and buried it in a longer post. I can go back and find it if you'd like.

Nevermind then. doh! I guess I didn't read as closely as I should.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Is there anyone out there who wishes to abstain from the big 4? If so I would like to try and consolidate our votes as much as possible so maybe we could bring somebody over.

Got anyone in mind? This very well could be one huge clusterfuck.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I did but I pulled a Blade and buried it in a longer post. I can go back and find it if you'd like.

Did I answer it so it makes sense? I don't think there's anything else I can remember from that. It was like on Monday and today's Thursday.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

one word: bodyguard

One response: The ONLY way for that to work is if the bodyguard protects me, AND comes out tomorrow saying it. At which point, the Seer's most useful Other Role is immediately targeted for conversion.

That's also assuming: He's not already a convert AND there is one.

[Raiders Army]

I could move my vote from Blade. I think he's just being obtuse right now. I don't think CW is a Thing. I'm not sure about dubb. Beyond that though, I have no idea.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You're oversimplifying. Assume he's the seer, unconverted: The Things HAVE to convert him tonight, otherwise he gets another view. So on Day 4 he'll definitely have my vote. I think we can clean things up before day 4, though.

You're assuming he's unconverted. I'm assuming he's already converted. However, if he is untested, the Things will conver someone else, I believe.

All that is conjecture, though, since I believe him to already be a Thing. As the time grows closer, his posts are getting more and more panicy, another giveaway of his Thingness.

[Coffee Warlord]

Dola: Barring the public bodyguard tomorrow, do you honestly think anyone is going to believe I haven't been converted tomorrow?

[Raiders Army]

Gonna take a shower and get ready for Survivor. I'll check back in one last time before 8 EST. In a way, the vote needs to go to one of the Big 4. If not, we go through this again tomorrow.

[st.cronin]

I'm out for the night. Good luck fellow scientists.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

One response: The ONLY way for that to work is if the bodyguard protects me, AND comes out tomorrow saying it. At which point, the Seer's most useful Other Role is immediately targeted for conversion.

That's also assuming: He's not already a convert AND there is one.

No, id openly assume that if you come up clean it would be no question your protected. As a thing, i wouldnt even bother trying. Its 2 days from now id worry. He doesnt need to come out, nothing...if you come up clean as the seer, it goes without saying the bodyguard has your back...i dont see this as he has to reveal or something..

Not all roles have to reveal themselves to be effective

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

You're assuming he's unconverted. I'm assuming he's already converted. However, if he is untested, the Things will conver someone else, I believe.

All that is conjecture, though, since I believe him to already be a Thing. As the time grows closer, his posts are getting more and more panicy, another giveaway of his Thingness.

Wrong, he's getting pissed at the fact that THE SAME GOD DAMN THING that happened to me in X-Com is happening again.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by path12

Got anyone in mind? This very well could be one huge clusterfuck.

Well my votes on Swaggs but I'm not deadset on him, and he's posted a good post since my vote, and haven't had a chance to pull posts. My list of 5 and a half I'd gladly try and build a case against, in no particular order:
Swaggs
WVU
Tangle
Cronin
with Jeeber being the half.

[path12]

BTW Barkeep, as a delayed dola to my last post -- I've got about 30 minutes before I'm gone until after lynch, so if there is a logical argument for someone else I'm willing to listen to it, but my time is limited and I've gotta go finish off an analysis which is gonna take 10-15 minutes....

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Wrong, he's getting pissed at the fact that THE SAME GOD DAMN THING that happened to me in X-Com is happening again.

I wasn't in the X-Com game, so I don't know what you're referencing.

[Coffee Warlord]

And whilst I calm down, I must also HAPPILY note, I have friday and monday off work. WHOO! I have company coming over soon, so I doubt I'll be around much longer. If we can get enough people to move away from Blade, I'll swap. Preferably Dubb or WVU.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

You're assuming he's unconverted. I'm assuming he's already converted. However, if he is untested, the Things will conver someone else, I believe.

All that is conjecture, though, since I believe him to already be a Thing. As the time grows closer, his posts are getting more and more panicy, another giveaway of his Thingness.

Well, if you assume he's converted, he needs to be tested today, duh.

So assume he's unconverted, since we're not talking about testing him today: I've said my piece on that already, and won't rehash it here.

If he's unconverted, the Things HAVE TO CONVERT HIM TONIGHT - if they don't, he gets another view. They HAVE TO - doing otherwise would be like pitching to Albert Pujols with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs in the ninth inning with a pitcher on deck and no pinch hitters available.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

I wasn't in the X-Com game, so I don't know what you're referencing.

Real simple. Came out with my role, had TWO aliens fingered. The aliens, led by hoops, played some AMAZING misdirection, discredited me, and got my ass killed. Same thing happening here.

Honesty kills me in these games every god damned time.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

And whilst I calm down, I must also HAPPILY note, I have friday and monday off work. WHOO! I have company coming over soon, so I doubt I'll be around much longer. If we can get enough people to move away from Blade, I'll swap. Preferably Dubb or WVU.

Id do dubb over WVU, and id be willing, but not happy, to go there. I dont have any dead set info on anyone, and really wish we tested CW...but im tired of leading this argument when RA keeps debating utterly pointless topics and CW isnt even willing to debate

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, if you assume he's converted, he needs to be tested today, duh.

So assume he's unconverted, since we're not talking about testing him today: I've said my piece on that already, and won't rehash it here.

If he's unconverted, the Things HAVE TO CONVERT HIM TONIGHT - if they don't, he gets another view. They HAVE TO - doing otherwise would be like pitching to Albert Pujols with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs in the ninth inning with a pitcher on deck and no pinch hitters available.

And if your the bodyguard dont you HAVE TO PROTECT him tonight?? Checks and balances are in place if hes clean cronin

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Id do dubb over WVU, and id be willing, but not happy, to go there. I dont have any dead set info on anyone, and really wish we tested CW...but im tired of leading this argument when RA keeps debating utterly pointless topics and CW isnt even willing to debate

What exactly can I debate? I'm either lying or I'm not. Every word I have said since my reveal has been true, I've held absolutely nothing back, even stuff that may be to my detriment. There ain't a whole helluva lot else I can say.

[Coffee Warlord]

Company's here soon. Fuck it.

Unvote Blade

Vote Dubb

You wanna follow me, fine.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

What exactly can I debate? I'm either lying or I'm not. Every word I have said since my reveal has been true, I've held absolutely nothing back, even stuff that may be to my detriment. There ain't a whole helluva lot else I can say.

And neither can i, ive said all i can, yet RA continues to attack my posts, cronin continues to attack my logic, and you flat out avoid my arguments...like the bodyguard comment. If you come up clean, why would the bodyguard not protect you tonight?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Company's here soon. Fuck it.

Unvote Blade

Vote Dubb

You wanna follow me, fine.

you're my boy blue

unvote blade

vote dubb

I think he's the second Thing. Read his posts today: They're obviously manipulative.

Also, I am off to class, for real this time. Good luck boys.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

And neither can i, ive said all i can, yet RA continues to attack my posts, cronin continues to attack my logic, and you flat out avoid my arguments...like the bodyguard comment. If you come up clean, why would the bodyguard not protect you tonight?

I responded briefly to this up above.

You're assuming: There still is, or ever was a bodyguard. I'm hoping like hell there is.

Further, if there is, and he, as he should, protect me tonight, he HAS to reveal himself tomorrow, or I retain zero credibility. At which point, HE is the biggest target for conversion. We get one night's use out of him.

[WVUFAN]

If I were a Thing, I'd convert someone other than Coffee, as I would be under the assumption that the bodyguard would be protecting him. You don't try to convert someone EVERYONE thinks you're gonna, otherwise it's a wasted turn.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Did I answer it so it makes sense? I don't think there's anything else I can remember from that. It was like on Monday and today's Thursday.

Here's what you answered

Originally Posted by RA

Unfortunately, when you're looking at so many posts sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. Post 374 was why I voted for him on Day 1. Post 375 was my vote for him on Day 2. I can't remember what happened in those ten minutes. Boss came into my office? What I read in that is that I explained why I voted for him on Day 1 in the first post which was totally separate from the next post where I voted for him on Day 2. Obviously a lot happened between Day 1 and Day 2.

Here are the orignal posts which we calling into question:

Originally Posted by 374

LOL. That was great!

Anyhow, again my suspicion of you was not much at all. Enough for a day 1 vote, but I'm not sure about a Day 2 vote based upon the whole "Regular" thing. Looking back, I worded my posts incorrectly; I was far less certain of you being a Thing than you thought I thought. Your reaction was a little strange, but whatever...

Followed only 10 minutes later by

Originally Posted by 375

VOTE SALDANA

Sorry man. I just don't follow your logic (but maybe that's because I'm illogical). I welcome any votes against me so I know I'm cleared; however, if I am cleared tonight, then it will waste a day of voting. I don't agree with voting for Barkeep, since he does seem to be on the level. You're on his list of six, so I'm going for you.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I responded briefly to this up above.

You're assuming: There still is, or ever was a bodyguard. I'm hoping like hell there is.

Further, if there is, and he, as he should, protect me tonight, he HAS to reveal himself tomorrow, or I retain zero credibility. At which point, HE is the biggest target for conversion. We get one night's use out of him.

Name a game that didnt have a bodyguard..i cant...its all just you reasoning why not to get tested...which is your perogative of course

To be honest i feel like this dubb swap is another attempt to not get tested. You felt you would get tested over me, and so now you want a late rush on dubb...if you get away with it, ill be quite sad

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

If I were a Thing, I'd convert someone other than Coffee, as I would be under the assumption that the bodyguard would be protecting him. You don't try to convert someone EVERYONE thinks you're gonna, otherwise it's a wasted turn.

Thank you, im glad someone else is thinking clearly

[Coffee Warlord]

Company's here. I'm out.

[Blade6119]

Then thats my que to head out for the night as well...ill be back in like 2 and a half hours, or as i like to call it just late enough to not stop the things from getting free

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Name a game that didnt have a bodyguard..i cant...its all just you reasoning why not to get tested...which is your perogative of course

To be honest i feel like this dubb swap is another attempt to not get tested. You felt you would get tested over me, and so now you want a late rush on dubb...if you get away with it, ill be quite sad

Blade and other cocksuckers:

I really don't think he's getting away with shit. I think we've been looking in the entirely fucking wrong places. There are likely two shiteaters out there and all we've been doing is ramming each other's assholes all day in the hopes that something will pentrate. Well guess what boys: you haven't shot yet. So I woul dlove for somebody to help me, as my job has been far busier then expected, use these last 90 minutes to look at somebody besides the four fuckers we've been talking about all day long.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Then thats my que to head out for the night as well...ill be back in like 2 and a half hours, or as i like to call it just late enough to not stop the things from getting free

Where have I seen this before? Oh that's right when you claimed three fucking times last night to be going to bed. See ya in 30 minutes.

[Barkeep49]

Oh and there's no such fucking word as que. There is cue, which is what you meant, and queue which is the british fuckers word for line, dumb shits, but as much as my scrabble loving self would love for there to be a word que there just isn't.