Trump Indictment/Trial thread-2023

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

What were the comments?

The bold is the parts Fox news edited out.

Q: Everyone's talking about I know you talkedearlier about I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist so if you were presidentwould you declassify you can answer yes or no to these. Would you declassify the 911 um files?
DJT: Yeah.
Q: Would you declassify JFK files?
DJT: Yeah.
Q: Would you---
DJT: I did I did a lot of it.
Q: Would you declassify theEpstein files?DJT: (Hesitating) Yeah. Yeah I would. (Hesitating) All right I guess I would I think that less so because you know you don't know you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there cuz there a lot of phony stuff with that whole world uh but I think I would or at least—
Q: Do you think that would restore trust help restore trust?
DJT: Yeah I I don't know about Epstein so much as I do the others certainly about the way he died it would be interesting to find out what happened there because that was a weird situation and the cameras didn't happen to be working etc. etc. but you I'd go a long way toward that one uh the other stuff. I would I would definitely do the January 6th because yeah oh beyond all of them because what happened…

[CrimsonFox]

It's actually somewhat easy to see how so many people are brainwashed into Trumpism. I'm in another show lately and rehearsals we are borrowing space frtom severeal churches. Now we've all seen basic setups...where there is a church and a rectory and a school. There's that. And those have classes and whatever too. But then there are ritzy churches that have all that plus lots of multipurpose rooms and space and chapel. Not just for mass but like those have adult classes and children's classes and bible study and discussion and whatever....things constantly happening....and then there are sprawling campuses... Remember the Branch Davidians in Waco? Yes those are everywhere too. So many buildings all jammed to the gills with rooms and auditoriuums and spaces and tvs and security and whatever. It's just a lifestyle at that point. They grow up in it. They live it. They volunteer at it. All these I've seen lately are vaguely Christian. I mean when everyone around you constantly says it, and this is what you believe you also have to say and believe RE: trump...you don't understand anything else.

[Flasch186]

If only they could see that trump is about as anti Christian tenet as they come


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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

If only they could see that trump is about as anti Christian tenet as they come


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They know he is but he hates the same people they do and was responsible for overturning Roe so they embrace him.

[Ghost Econ]

The central tenet of American Christianity has always been hate, it's not surprising it's always gravitated towards people like Trump.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Jon:

Out of everyone on this board, you would be the one with insight into this question:

When Trump finally exits the scene, is there an heir apparent? Is there someone who you think will likely be the leader of the post-Trump Sr. MAGA movement?

Every "MAGA without Trump" person who has tried (DeSantis, Ramaswamy, etc.) has failed. But Trump's still around, so of course they failed. They, IMO, came out too early. But I wonder if there is someone out there that isn't generally thought of yet as the next MAGA leader by the general public, but if you're on the MAGA message boards and you read between the lines, you have a sense that this guy's just patiently waiting to take over when the time is right. Anyone like that?

Or do you just see a massive game of thrones where who the hell knows what happens to the empire when the king dies?

I only saw this question today, sorry for the delayed reply. (I try to limit my presence in this thread to every 2-3 days at most, reduces my ban chances)

I think cuervo's comment about Don, Jr isn't the most unlikely thing. If he wants the mantle, there's a good chance he could get it.

My next most likely guesses would be the game of thrones scenario OR someone Trump specifically, personally, and fervently anointed.

On a side note -- and no, I don't consider it pejorative or anything so no sweat at all, I just feel like I should clarify --

I couldn't tell you the last time I got near a message board for Trump or hardly any candidate. I simply know, both quite well and in passing, a pretty high number of people that are involved on multiple levels of support. I know people who've done the caravans/bus tours last time around, I know people working in/with the campaign in DC, and in Georgia.

Some are well 'round the bend in their support, others are more ... grounded about it. And one or two haven't really spoken to me since I made my full support of DeSantis known.

[Atocep]

Bannon ordered to report to prison July 1st.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Bannon ordered to report to prison July 1st.

woot! no pardon for you Steve

[Lathum]

He should have been ordered to go there immediately. Now he gets 3 more weeks to spit vile rhetoric to his unhinged masses.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

He should have been ordered to go there immediately. Now he gets 3 more weeks to spit vile rhetoric to his unhinged masses.

Lol no one listens to Steve anymore

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

woot! no pardon for you Steve

Not yet at least.

The main guy I’m PO’d about is Guliani. How’s he still not even disbarred? I know it’s in the process but com’on …

[cartman]

Bannon's lawyer was the last person to see Jeffrey Epstein alive.

[Thomkal]

Yeah he's shown no remorse no admitting that he was wrong for any of it, seems like disbarrment is on the way soon for him.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by cartman

Bannon's lawyer was the last person to see Jeffrey Epstein alive.

It was one of the Godfather movies where the consiglerie (sp?) spoke to the rat in prison (do the right thing, we’ll take care of your family) and he off’d himself.

[CrimsonFox]

can ALL of trump's lawyers be disbarred?

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I only saw this question today, sorry for the delayed reply. (I try to limit my presence in this thread to every 2-3 days at most, reduces my ban chances)

I think cuervo's comment about Don, Jr isn't the most unlikely thing. If he wants the mantle, there's a good chance he could get it.

My next most likely guesses would be the game of thrones scenario OR someone Trump specifically, personally, and fervently anointed.

On a side note -- and no, I don't consider it pejorative or anything so no sweat at all, I just feel like I should clarify --

I couldn't tell you the last time I got near a message board for Trump or hardly any candidate. I simply know, both quite well and in passing, a pretty high number of people that are involved on multiple levels of support. I know people who've done the caravans/bus tours last time around, I know people working in/with the campaign in DC, and in Georgia.

Some are well 'round the bend in their support, others are more ... grounded about it. And one or two haven't really spoken to me since I made my full support of DeSantis known.

Thanks for the insight. If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say it ends up being Don Jr. with Ivanka pulling strings behind the scenes. But it'll be kind of crazy getting there. One thing history has shown is that when you have a large group of people looking for a leader, there are no shortage of volunteers willing to step up and fight to be that leader.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Thanks for the insight. If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say it ends up being Don Jr. with Ivanka pulling strings behind the scenes. But it'll be kind of crazy getting there. One thing history has shown is that when you have a large group of people looking for a leader, there are no shortage of volunteers willing to stp up and fight to be that leader.

I'd honestly be surprised if Ivanka gets anywhere near politics once her dad is gone. I think Don Jr and Eric both try to take the throne. Eric is a moron, though, and Don Jr is coked out of his mind most the time so I'm not sure it really goes anywhere. Neither have the charisma and survival instincts their dad has.

I don't think MAGA works without Trump. He's created a kingdom where he's the unquestioned king and he won't allow anyone else to have enough air to carve out a name for themselves. I see a splinter group prevailing once he's gone, led by someone like Tom Cotton.

[Lathum]

No political figure has inspired the kind of reverence Trump has. For literally tens of millions he is as much a religious symbol as he is a politician. The only other one who has ever come close is Hitler.

There is no denying he has inspired millions to vote who otherwise wouldn't have. Granted it is the worst kind of people, but their votes still count. I don't think there is anyone who could take his place. He is truly one of a kind.

This is why I think the GOP is in real trouble. Once Trump is gone, either dead or god forbid serves a second term, the party is going to see a real fracture between the pre Trump version and the MAGA version that will tried to be held together, likely by Don Jr., Vivek, or some other Trump "light" candidate but they won't have the same cache and the movement likely dies but takes anough votes with them that the pre Trump group, likely lead by people like Haley, Suunuu, Larry Hogan, won't get enough support.

[RainMaker]

No one can replace him. They've tried for years but can't capture his charisma. Hate him all you want, but he's far more entertaining and personable than any of his imitators.

While he's done some dumb stuff, he's got better political instincts than those trying to emulate him. He understands when something is "off" to people. Copycats go overboard and come across as weird. DeSantis wanting to inspect your kids genitals. Noem bragging about killing the family dog. He knew precisely when to bow out of the anti-woke stuff before it got creepy.


And I think a big part of that is Trump doesn't care about the issues like those other people. He just wants to win and be the center of attention. He talked a big game on the campaign trail but mostly governed like any other establishment Republican. He'll do a complete 180 on an issue like banning TikTok if he sees it as a path to winning (which was a smart decision).

So when he is gone, I think that era kind of ends. Maybe there's an entertainer or businessman who has charisma and experience working the public. But I jdon't see any current politician or family member of his matching the weird, chaotic energy he has.

[JPhillips]

Today Trump argued against electric boats because when they sink he might have to decide between being electrocuted by the battery or being eaten by a shark.

[Ksyrup]

Deep thoughts, by Don Grandy.

[Lathum]

Make Shark Attacks Great Again

[Lathum]

MTG compared Trump to Jesus yesterday. Totally normal.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Today Trump argued against electric boats because when they sink he might have to decide between being electrocuted by the battery or being eaten by a shark.

The best part of it (and I do recommend watching it b/c whether you love Trump or not, it is pretty funny) is when he is explaining how he asked this MIT scientist about having to choose between being electrocuted by the sinking boat or being eaten by the shark, and the scientist said that no one had ever asked that question before.

*That* I beleive.

[Ksyrup]

Didn't we learn in Jaws Pt 24 that sharks can also be electrocuted?

Or maybe Sharknado? Surely Mark Paul Gosselaar has some thoughts on this issue.

[PilotMan]

You have got to be fucking kidding, right?

Seriously?

What the actual...

https://wapo.st/3Y3xB0B

[kingfc22]

Just crown him a monarch already and be done with it

[Atocep]

This is crazy. Special counsels have repeatedly been found constitutional.

I'm guessing she was emboldened by Clarence Thomas' ruling on the immunity case where he openly questioned the legality of the special counsel. This will be appealed and there's strong precedent back it up, but this is also a court that gives zero bucks about precedent and is more concerned with conservative agendas. It's weird that creating an uncountable executive branch is the conservative agenda. All of this anger stems.from a black man winning the presidency.

[PilotMan]

So this can be appealed? What's the process look like?

[Atocep]

What we'll see next is an appeal to the 11th circuit along with a motion to remove Cannon from the case. The 11th circuit will rule in Jack Smith's favor on both. Then it ends up with SCOTUS where Trump probably has 3 guaranteed votes to start with.

[PilotMan]

Which won't happen until after the election at the earliest, where if he's elected, the case will be dropped and the court will never have to decide. Right?

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Atocep

What we'll see next is an appeal to the 11th circuit along with a motion to remove Cannon from the case. The 11th circuit will rule in Jack Smith's favor on both. Then it ends up with SCOTUS where Trump probably has 3 guaranteed votes to start with.

By the time it gets there, Cannon will probably be on the SC.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Which won't happen until after the election at the earliest, where if he's elected, the case will be dropped and the court will never have to decide. Right?

Correct

Trump is firing Jack Smith on day 1. The strongest case against him is dead because it landed with a MAGA judge.

And Cannon will be on the short list for next SCOTUS selection.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

By the time it gets there, Cannon will probably be on the SC.

And Trump will be eating a pudding and soft food diet and confusing everyone for Ivanka.

[Ksyrup]

I have not dug deep into the opinion and likely won't - I like to get paid for any legal reading I do - but it seems to me that the worst part of all this is that a special prosecutor was used as a way to ensure for the public (as best the AG could) that this was not a political hit job, and that's the reason it was thrown out. If they had just done to Trump what they did with Hunter Biden - use a regular DA - then... well Cannon would have had to find a different theory and likely would have, but the reasoning she used here wouldn't have worked.

I don't know how many more examples of being punished for doing the right/moral/sane thing we need, but at some point, the dam is gonna break and people NOT just limited to Trump and his sycophants are going to start wanting the same brand of justice Trump and his people are securing for themselves.

[PilotMan]

I want it right now and I haven't even done anything worthwhile! No point is trying to be a good citizen when you can make your own rules and skate by.

Up next: Sovereign Citizenship for everyone!

[GrantDawg]

Back to the Young Thug trial, Judge Glanville was just recused without a hearing by Judge Krause. Unfortunately for the defendants, she didn't dismiss the case, so they have to stay in jail awaiting new trial dates.

[Thomkal]

Yet another found guilty for election related crimes-this time in Colorado when a jury for an elections official found guilty of 7 out of 10 charges;


'To prove Trump’s Big Lie': Colorado's Peters found guilty in elections security case - Raw Story

[albionmoonlight]

Trump will never go to jail.
The people close to Trump will never go to jail.
But Trump's deluded foot soldiers will go to jail.

[Lathum]

The GOP has spent 4 years grooming "poll workers" It is going to be so much worse this time around. especially if Trump loses, they will make 2000 look smooth

[Thomkal]

Special Counsel jack Smith has now appealed Judge Cannon's dismissal of the classified documents case to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals but has not yet asked for her recusal from the trial. Hopefully the Circuit Court takes the initiative here and removes her from this given her history.

[albionmoonlight]

Recusal is an incredibly high standard, at least in federal court.

Maybe it is the defense lawyer in me, but I don't want a system where "the judge is taking the defendant's arguments seriously, even when she might be wrong" becomes the standard.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Recusal is an incredibly high standard, at least in federal court.

Maybe it is the defense lawyer in me, but I don't want a system where "the judge is taking the defendant's arguments seriously, even when she might be wrong" becomes the standard.

But isn't this becoming a pattern with her?-this District Court has already intervened once with her rulings

[GrantDawg]

BREAKING: A superseding indictment has been returned in Trump's federal election interference case in Washington, DC. pic.twitter.com/ywyTdpO1YW

— Anna Bower (@AnnaBower) August 27, 2024

[Lathum]

Ok lawyers. Please explain to us peasants.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Ok lawyers. Please explain to us peasants.

Not a lawyer, but this is basically a replacement indictment for the January 6th attack that attempts to remove what the Supreme Court said was a part of Presidential immunity.

[Ksyrup]

And apparently was heard by a different GJ. Wasn't that an issue as well with the original? I've only partially paid attention to the details of these cases.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Ok lawyers. Please explain to us peasants.

Superseding indictment returned against Donald Trump - Raw Story


Looks like he's responding to the Supreme Court Presidential Immunity Decision and tightening his arguments

[Lathum]

Trump sentencing postponed until after the election. Honestly probably a good thing for Harris. Every time he appears in court his popularity goes up.

[NobodyHere]

Rudy Giuliani allegedly sent a text begging Michigan to overturn 2020 election. But he got the wrong number