Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, who did you view on Day 2?

Day 1: me
Day 2: ???
Day 3: Marathoner

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade6119, your thoughts on the candidates I posted for a search warrant? Or do you have alternatives (SnDvls?) that you would prefer?

I'm fine with anyone chiming in, but I have a sneaking suspicion that I'll enjoy two-way conversations with this man. And muttering to yourself is no way to go through life, let me tell you.

I have no idea on bsak, im sorry to say that.

DT/Swaggs - Id actually prob. rather you go after DT. He had direct confrontation with my role but seemed to ignore it when it mattered. Also, all day he pretty much refused to vote Cronin. He continually mentioned other suspects, and his last post, to you about searching him, seemed a wolf comment. If i had a pick, id take DT for the warrant.

You - I said i dont think your evil, as when the vote was shifting to me too many people tried to cast blame on you and not cronin. I also dont believe you would issue a warrant on yourself, and i dont believe it worthwhile. You have been hacked twice, and as misled as you were today i believe you for now to be with us. Your nowhere near my COT, but im not after your head

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls didn't put up a fight when you scoped his ring?

I approached him in the mob, and he tried to explain all the reasons to me why he is not a mafioso. We didnt really argue, and he didnt seem to resist too much.

BUT, i saw it while in conversation like i did with cronin, where as DTs had none of the flavor the last 2 have had. DT literally i just looked at his ring, determined it wasnt what i wanted, and left. These last two have had stories.

Also, cronin and i were arguing at the time of the argue story. Sndvls was trying to explain to me why he wasnt a wolf before i sent the message...i dont know if its all storytelling or not

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Swaggs, who did you view on Day 2?

Day 1: me
Day 2: ???
Day 3: Marathoner

Sorry, as I said, only every other day.

[Swaggs]

Would you like more information on what I found in yours?

For what it is worth, it seems fairly non-role defining.

[Swaggs]

Another consideration: Would you all consider Tyrith to be cleared if we recovered him AND, if so, would it be worthwhile to investigate his crime scene (if that is possible--don't know all the dynamics of what can and cannot be done).

And I would love to be searched. I think I would prefer being cleared by the judge/detectives now, rather than after my death.

[hoopsguy]

You make the call. If it is worth putting out there, go for it.

I've already ranted enough about having my personal security violated by hackers, what is one more person making themselves at home within my property?

For what it is worth, I think st.cronin had access to information on me from one of the hackers, based on some of his comments. But I don't think I can issue a warrant to get that information from him in his current state.

[Swaggs]

In your trash, I found a magazine detailing UFO encounters and some empty prescription bottles.

[Blade6119]

No, its your call..if people wanted me making the call they would have elected me. People were quite clear they didnt want that

[hoopsguy]

Here are some notes that I have scribbled down. After being entrusted with the judge position I'm trying to work on being more open and sharing with others. Not the easiest thing to do when people keep hacking me and sneaking into my house, but I'm trying ...

Roles Claimed:
Janitor - Swaggs
Jeweler (not listed) - Blade6119
Gambler - Chief Rum
Detective - Ntndeacon (deceased)
Mafia Boss - st.cronin (deceased)

Roles in game, per newspaper:
Pawnshop owner
Mafia heir
Banker
Detective
Doctor

Roles in game, per Tyrith:
Two detectives besides Ntndeacon (one referenced by newspaper as secondary account)

Crime Notes:
- I was hacked twice
- Anxiety reports being kidnapped, encouraged to join mob, had a bullet stolen
- Bsak reports being hacked
- Blade6119 reports being robbed of $400

[hoopsguy]

Blade6119, was talking to Swaggs about my garbage (it's your call).

In terms of warrants, I'm planning on going to bed shortly. Would you prefer if I issue now, hearing from fewer people but making sure I'm alive later to issue it, or wait until morning to allow more voices to contribute? Looking for feedback on this point quickly.

[Swaggs]

Don't forget Tyrith being kidnapped.

[Swaggs]

hoops, since Alan has said that his orders are based (roughly) on first received, first executed, I think the sooner the better.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

In your trash, I found a magazine detailing UFO encounters and some empty prescription bottles.

Lots of people read non-fiction.

But perhaps this gives a little insight into why I'm a tad edgy from time to time?

[path12]

Maybe wait until any detectives come up with some info? Can they PM you the request for a warrant or does it have to be in thread?

[Blade6119]

Id issue one now, so the detectives can follow through on it before evil can kill someone

[hoopsguy]

My instructions do not talk about how detectives communicate with me, but I'm working under the assumption that it is in the thread.

[hoopsguy]

Search order submitted for Swaggs.
- validating his reveal helps strengthen a trust list
- invalidating his reveal puts us in position to remove a bad guy from the game
- either way, helps understand his motives with Marathoner, which should help with lynch decision today

[Blade6119]

Pending the result of the Swaggs search ill do this

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Blade6119]

and im off to bed, cheers yall

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Search order submitted for Swaggs.
- validating his reveal helps strengthen a trust list
- invalidating his reveal puts us in position to remove a bad guy from the game
- either way, helps understand his motives with Marathoner, which should help with lynch decision today

Works for me.

[Swaggs]

Want to add this while I am thinking about it.

If Tyrith returns, we will have to consider that he may have been converted, since they apparently attempted to convert Anxiety when they tried to kidnap him.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Want to add this while I am thinking about it.

If Tyrith returns, we will have to consider that he may have been converted, since they apparently attempted to convert Anxiety when they tried to kidnap him.

Were also not sure they didnt succeed

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Were also not sure they didnt succeed

Fair enough, although we have to recognize that the Anxiety did not disappear for an extended period of time, while Tyrith has.

[Abe Sargent]

Plus I self reported, and itd have been stupid of me to do so if I had been converted - or at least to have mentioned the conversion when I did self report.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Fair enough, although we have to recognize that the Anxiety did not disappear for an extended period of time, while Tyrith has.

Weird as this may seem, i would tend to make that a negative for anxiety. If they succeeded in converting someone, they wouldnt keep him out of the game. If they failed, they would likely kill them. Anxiety still being here might not be a good thing...just saying

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Weird as this may seem, i would tend to make that a negative for anxiety. If they succeeded in converting someone, they wouldnt keep him out of the game. If they failed, they would likely kill them. Anxiety still being here might not be a good thing...just saying

Of course, you don;t know my role....

[Narcizo]

Hurray for Blade and boo for hoopsguy and his crazy theories!

I still don't really understand what happened with the lynch - does it come down to longest held vote? I'll have to check but I presume that would be Blade's vote for St Cronin.

I think investigating Swaggs is a good idea. I have reason to believe that he's telling the truth but he has put in two late votes, one that seems crucial and one that almost was crucial.

I don't think that hoopsguy is bad either, despite what can be construed as a save attempt for St Cronin. To my mind by that stage the bad guys had to really cut their losses - they were going to lose St Cronin today or tomorrow (when it was, presumably, revealed that Blade was good after the lynch).

I think St Cronin's voting actions are interesting - the switching back and forth between JE and path, before Blade emerged as the most likely save for him. I'm wondering if JE was initially being set up as the mob's lynch choice to begin with before events overtook them. From what I understand of hoopsguy's comments none of the people who voted for JE were around at the end to change their vote.

[Blade6119]

Note how DT constantly tried to blace the coming blame from my death on hoops, and not cronin.

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

makes more sense than my slight reason for voting Swaggs

UNVOTE SWAGGS
VOTE BLADE6119

this one is on you hoops

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

well the proof will be in the pudding blade. And if we're wrong, hoops will have some serious looks his way.

He was quite adamant that the blame must go to hoops, not cronin...that seems to indicate to me DT is evil

[Narcizo]

That actually makes a lot of sense. (and means that my own theory isn't so good, which has been known to happen). It would be especially useful for the bad guys to cast suspicion on the judge elect, save them having to kill off the judge.

[Blade6119]

If you follow that path, bsak also swapped over and bsak also blammed it on hoops. Interestingly, bsak was 2nd in the day one lynch...let me go pull up those votes

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

That actually makes a lot of sense. (and means that my own theory isn't so good, which has been known to happen). It would be especially useful for the bad guys to cast suspicion on the judge elect, save them having to kill off the judge.

Your theory is actually pretty sound...im just tossing out other theories. I like your line of thought quite a bit.

I do believe we had evil on me and 1 or more not on me. I highly doubt they all voted me, but maybe

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

If you follow that path, bsak also swapped over and bsak also blammed it on hoops. Interestingly, bsak was 2nd in the day one lynch...let me go pull up those votes

Chief put a meta-vote on bsak and said he couldn't change it. I voted for bsak because I couldn't change my vote either and thought it would be more useful at a later date in working out who was bad. Then the voting on him took off as a balance vote for the NTD votes.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm reading back through the day, haven't come up with much. I'm actually somewhat suspicious of path for his post-lynch posts.

Looking back I just found this, for what it's worth. It seems to be laying the groundwork for a later attack on path.

[Blade6119]

Doing some day one re-reading and noting comments i have

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The way I read that description indicates that he was investigating the crime I reported. Path12 asked earlier if I could ID the detective and the answer is no, or else I would have definitely have tried to save him in the last hour. I would expect Blade6119 to have a similar experience if/when someone investigates his crime, if he did report it.

I had a very similar experience, and as well could not ID him.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I prefer Anxiety or Blade to DT. Something about DT and Blade's interaction doesn't feel right to me. But I'll go with the majority.

Wolves often like to oppose their own on day one, and this would certainly fit the bill. Especially when you consider this:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wow, Blade got THREE votes?

Which indicates he cant believe people would vote for me, but for some reason would vote for me over DT.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

For what it is worth, I think st.cronin had access to information on me from one of the hackers, based on some of his comments. But I don't think I can issue a warrant to get that information from him in his current state.

Oh, i whole heartedly agree...look at all the work he did on day one to convince you it was the side of good hacking you:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I bet I know what happened to you, and I'm about 75% sure that it was done by a villager.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

My guess is that you were sort of seer-scanned. Alan likes to have semi-seers in his games, and that's my guess as to what happened to you.

I don't know anything, though. I suppose it could have been malicious.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

And hoops, I understand your position. I'm just taking a guess, that's all. What happened to you doesn't seem like a "mafia" type crime. But I suppose there may be other citizens, not aligned with the mafia, who we don't want loose.

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Hoopsguy, is there anything that somebody could learn from your computer?

We have an evil hacker, im pretty sure of that. So the good hacker needs to be very careful going forward with trusting the other

[Blade6119]

Alright, my final note for now...cronin has been public about distrust for LSG and Barkeep, subtle disrtrust for DT and path, and trust for me(until the final 10 minutes lol)

DT also distrusted Barkeep, at the same time cronin did, but was more subtle about it. DT also also trusted me, then in the final 10 minutes distrusted me. I dont see many comments by DT about path and LSG, so i dont know there

But those 2 comparisons still caught my eye since i know im good, and barkeep is my most trusted person

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin - Blade (97)
Blade - LSG (105)
Barkeep - Hoops (424), Marathoner (476)
Bsak - Chief (362), Narcizo (390), NTN (560), Daddy (562), Path (577)
Lathum - bsak (395)
NTN - SnDvls (413), Barkeep (452), Tyrith (456), Anxiety (478), Crew (558), Swaggs (559)
LSG - Cronin (465)
Jon - Lathum (474)
Crew - Jon (570)

DT's actions here are interesting. He voted for NTN with the vote at 4 to NTN, 2 to the nearest person. With the standing at 5 -2 he then pulled it and voted for Marathoner. St Cronin calls him up for making a throwaway vote. Crew and Swaggs piled onto the NTN vote while NTN voted for Bsak. DT voted for Bsak with the standing at 6-3, so it wouldn't "look like a throwaway vote". He posted a minute after NTN put his vote on BSak so he might not have known that he had voted that way.

This can be played two ways. DT pulled his vote from someone who turned out to be good and put it on the next candidate which indicates he's good to someone looking at the vote records. However putting your vote on someone with the standings at 6-3 (or possibly 6-2 for all he knows when he made the vote) with 15 minutes left might be an effort to not be associated with the vote for NTN.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

This can be played two ways. DT pulled his vote from someone who turned out to be good and put it on the next candidate which indicates he's good to someone looking at the vote records.

To me that indicates the exact obvious...evil knows who is good, and who is evil. They also dont want to be in the spotlight unless its necessary(like to save their mafia boss). What your saying, if i follow, is he swapped off a guy who turned out to be good(did that person get lynched?) to someone we have yet to kill. To me that means he knew the person would come up good and didnt want to have to answer why he voted him

[Narcizo]

That's the way I was leaning but I kind of got cut off before I could really expand on it. Thanks for doing the typing for me. I have a strong feeling about this, to such an extent that I'm going to

Vote DaddyTorgo

Subject to change with the Swaggs situation and anything else that might crop up.

[Chief Rum]

NOVA WINS ONE FOR THE BETTORS!!!

Few people noticed with all the Big City politicking and the death of the mafia mob boss, but some of us made it pretty good today when Nova edged out UConn--and a bunch of others quite simply lost out on a huge opportunity when they chose not to bet.

It seems to me the prices at the pawnshops and elsewhere are rather exorbitant, but money seems somewhat sparse. I don't see too many other options in town to really up your cash flow as quickly as my business. It's still only 10% commission for today's bets.

And today's game is the best one offered yet...

CHARLOTTE AT PORTLAND (NBA)

The Bobcats are one of the worst teams in the worst basketball conference. They are playing on the road in the middle of a nasty West Coast swing and have lost three in a row. They are also playing without Okafor. Portland's no great shakes either, but they're almost .500 at home, and they have to have some stung pride after embarrassing themselves against Seattle on Monday. Also, they beat Charlotte on the road and Randolph absolutely dominated.

This is definitely the best bet so far. Big City could make a killing here (pun intended).

The deadline is back to 1 P.M. PDT/4 P.M. EDT, as I only work my night job on Thursday. So get your bets in. Send the money via a transfer through Alan, then post who you want to bet on here. I will handle the rest.

Good luck, everyone!

[hoopsguy]

In regards to betting, I feel better about talking about it with the mob boss out of the game. Hopefully the tide has begun to shift towards more good guys needing cash than bad guys.

I haven't put money down either time - Chief Rum can confirm this if he is interested in doing so - but will strongly consider it if/when it swings back to college basketball. When that happens, Ken Pomeroy's site is a must-read for me when considering basketball teams.

His rankings for OSU/KSU were very close prior to their game, with home court clearly tilting that matchup towards OSU. And there was an 80 team gap (Nova 21, UConn 100 - how the mighty have fallen) for that matchup, which was large enough to mitigate homecourt advantage for betting purposes.

Obviously every game won't comply with his rankings, but given the matchups with small lines, why not take a look at the stuff compiled by a guy who is a leading sabermetrics guy on college hoops?

NBA - I don't follow it nearly as closely, so I'm not as helpful with this game. In general, I would much rather bet on a game between two good teams than two bad teams, as is the case with this game. I feel like I have a better idea of the effort level I'll see in those matchups. So probably no bet again for me today.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

Maybe wait until any detectives come up with some info? Can they PM you the request for a warrant or does it have to be in thread?

The detectives file any warrant requests with me and they are filed with the city judge.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 12

Judge steps in as busy body

The fall out from the reported death of the Big City Mob Boss has been the top story of the day so far. Law enforcement officials have been analyzing all clues to try to determine who else was in his ring of crime. Official sources state that the new Big City Judge has already signed off on his first search warrant to search the home of Swaggs. Not much has been known so far about this Swaggs guy other than he claims to be a simple janitor, and likes long romantic walks on the beach.

Pawn Shop Specials

Today's prices for the pawn shop is in. It appears that business has been booming for the new store, and their selection of merchandise has rapidly been improving. Today's price list from the pawnshop is:

Firewall software: $400.00
Bulletproof Armor $750.00
Fingerprintless gloves $1000.00
Knife $150.00

Villanova wins!

In the Big City Arena last night, the fans were treated with yet another excellent game. The Villanova wildcats pulled out the victory over the Uconn Huskies. Talking to a few fans after the game we got one comment about the teams, "I don't know much about either of them.. but I definitly made some money tonight... Woooooooooo!"

[SnDvls]

I can confirm Blade did approach me just after the lynch. he started to point at me and accuse me, we argued, he looked me over, then let me walk away.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not evil. That much I know. Blade you've even looked at me and confirmed that my ring was nothing special. For all I know, it's a gold wedding band (I never knew that I had one). Sorry that I have an affinity for crazy-theories and last-minute intrigue. If that has to get me lynched, then so be it.

FWIW...I was suspicious of Barkeep on Day 1 (as were a lot of people) because of that whole money-situation. But that has passed...he seems fine to me. LSG...I find her post's...interesting. I don't think she's evil. She clearly has a role to play although I can't say I know what it is, as she claimed she could be cleared on Day 1. Path...I feel neutral about. And I'm leaning towards thinking that both hoops and you are on the side of good with me at this point and what we had there was the typical villager-on-villager chaos.

There are several players other than myself who ought to be raising eyebrows at this point, I'm surprised that you've latched onto me and are clinging for dear life, even though we have had interaction and you stated that you had a moderately high degree of trust in me.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Barkeep made a comment about mafiosos being notorius for wearing jewelry...when cronin came up evil, barkeep immediately entered my COT(which ironically included just him then).

Who does your COT include now Blade?

[hoopsguy]

LoneStarGirl, have you added a third trusted member to your group yet? Yesterday it was Blade6119 and Barkeep49 if memory serves correctly ...

[Lathum]

I may have missed it but it seems like there wasn't much pressure put on Marathoner...

[Swaggs]

Hoops, have you thought of a manner of revealing the findings of your warrants without outing the detectives?

Is it safe to assume an arrest warrant means I looked bad, but no arrest warrant means I came up clean?