WW XCV: Land of the Role Reveals GAME OVER - Page 25

Danny · 05-30-2009, 01:05 AM

So what time is tomorrow's night deadline?

dubb93 · 05-30-2009, 01:07 AM

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

From the guy who tried to break the tie and keep me from breaking it? Are you fucking serious?

100% serious, since you seem to be changing the rules on the duke right now. Of course, since you have the only role that could catch the cunning wolf even a scan would not absolutely clear you, but it would be enough to get me to stop barking up this tree all weekend.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

100% serious, since you seem to be changing the rules on the duke right now. Of course, since you have the only role that could catch the cunning wolf even a scan would not absolutely clear you, but it would be enough to get me to stop barking up this tree all weekend.

I'm not sure I like the idea of Dubb being scanned. If I choose to use my ability it would waste the scan and I'm not going to make the decision of my night kill or not based upon the possibility he is scanned.

Lathum · 05-30-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I'm not sure I like the idea of Dubb being scanned. If I choose to use my ability it would waste the scan and I'm not going to make the decision of my night kill or not based upon the possibility he is scanned.

so wait?

you are considering killing Dubb?

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 01:15 AM

Whatever works, but I think Day 4 is going to be messy if we don't have some sort of closure on him. Maniac, scan - I'm kind of indifferent since Dubb is only the believed seer and we can vote a new one in if needed.

We would lose a scan from N3, but if Dubb isn't scanned are we going to believe it anyway?

Telle · 05-30-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I'm not sure I like the idea of Dubb being scanned. If I choose to use my ability it would waste the scan and I'm not going to make the decision of my night kill or not based upon the possibility he is scanned.

But that could mean that you decide not to kill him and nobody scans him and we're left tomorrow not knowing what the hell to think. I think I'd like a scan on him and then you decide whether or not to make your kill tonight. You can always kill him tomorrow night if the scan is bad or if you want to roll the dice on him being the cunning.

Barkeep49 · 05-30-2009, 01:16 AM

Today is a long long day at the conference. There is some sort of internet malfunction messing up the conference organizers, making things run late, and generally inconveniencing everyone. In the end after much discussion it is yet another loyal V.I.L.L.A.G.E.R., lerriuqs, who the crowd feels, in some narrow sort of way, deserves to be sent home.

Meanwhile you decide that saldana is one wild and crazy guy and should be considered the conference maniac.

dubb93 · 05-30-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Whatever works, but I think Day 4 is going to be messy if we don't have some sort of closure on him. Maniac, scan - I'm kind of indifferent since Dubb is only the believed seer and we can vote a new one in if needed.

We would lose a scan from N3, but if Dubb isn't scanned are we going to believe it anyway?

Ok...so first you try to break the tie but are too late and now you are encouraging Danny to kill me? Are you serious? Saldana here is your nightkill tonight.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 01:17 AM

I think it's now or never for my kill. If he is bad, I'm not sure I live another two nights.

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 01:17 AM

Cunning or the cultist, if we had a block instead of a conversion on N2.

Lathum · 05-30-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I think it's now or never for my kill. If he is bad, I'm not sure I live another two nights.

How many BG's do we have?

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Ok...so first you try to break the tie but are too late and now you are encouraging Danny to kill me? Are you serious? Saldana here is your nightkill tonight.

No, Danny is the one who is considering killing you. I'm just saying that I don't want to play D4 trying to guess what you are and if he is calling off a seer scan that he should follow through rather than having you alive and unscanned.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 01:21 AM

Dubb is not the cultist I am sure.

Racer · 05-30-2009, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I think it's now or never for my kill. If he is bad, I'm not sure I live another two nights.

Yeah, I agree. If you screw up and he's actually the Duke, then hopefully it's in Barkeep's write-up that you killed him (meaning you're the maniac). That way you could replace him as seer tomorrow.

I think Saldana should also take out Hoops.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 01:21 AM

He would only have possibly known there was no duke in the game if he was a starting wolf.

Racer · 05-30-2009, 01:22 AM

Well I'm back to bed. Hopefully, we caught two wolves tonight (hoops and Dubb).

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 01:23 AM

I made a play today and I don't know if it was good or bad, but suspect it was neutral and that we had two villagers on the line.

You (Dubb) made a play earlier with the Duke role in some way/shape/form by not being clear on how it worked. And that is the most generous conclusion that we can draw. Which was definitely bad if you are a villager because you have gone from trusted to distrusted.

Danny is considering making a play here tonight, just like you and I have up until now. I don't know how it will turn out, but can you really suggest that he would be out of line to make it?

dubb93 · 05-30-2009, 01:23 AM

Barkeep tell them that the tie break isn't my vote but my PM.

dubb93 · 05-30-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Danny is considering making a play here tonight, just like you and I have up until now. I don't know how it will turn out, but can you really suggest that he would be out of line to make it?

Anyone who believes anything you are saying right now and are planning to act on what you are saying is completely out of line.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 01:24 AM

If I kill Dubb instead of scanning him we don't actually lose any scans. The starting seer gets in a scan that makes up for the one lost from Dubb. Then as Racer said, I would certainly hope it would say I was the one that killed him and I could replace him.

dubb93 · 05-30-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

If I kill Dubb instead of scanning him we don't actually lose any scans. The starting seer gets in a scan that makes up for the one lost from Dubb. Then as Racer said, I would certainly hope it would say I was the one that killed him and I could replace him.

Of course then we are going under the assumption that the starting seer is actually PB. I think both players who think they are the seer should scan me tonight that way even if PB shows me villager the other is able to reveal if he shows me wolf.

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 01:31 AM

Saldana, I would ask that you do not kill either Dubb or PB tonight so we can avoid any potential confusion on where Danny might go with his play if he pulls the trigger tonight.

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Anyone who believes anything you are saying right now and are planning to act on what you are saying is completely out of line.

I said to scan you, right up until Danny said he was giving hard thought to snuffing you. I just want to make sure that you aren't alive on D4 and unproven.

But why don't you put in a scan for me tonight in the event that you are going to be alive on D4 so we can potentially put this bickering behind us? If you are alive and PB vouches for you then I'll won't say "boo" about you the rest of this game. And we'll have a pretty mammoth COT to work with over the weekend.

Because if you are alive and don't scan me, then I'm probably getting lynched on Monday and we are hurting if Saldana doesn't land us a wolf with his NK.

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 01:47 AM

Well, if the conversation is done for the evening I need to get some sleep. Talk to you guys tomorrow, assuming that Saldana doesn't come gunning for me. I'm pretty confident that the wolves aren't gunning for me tonight after the deadline fiasco.

dubb93 · 05-30-2009, 01:49 AM

I don't think you have anything to worry about from the wolves Hoops. Saldana on the other hand is a completely different story.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 01:59 AM

I'm off to bed in a few, don't think I'll be on before deadline in the morning. Hoping for the best, If I turn out to be wrong I apologize.

EagleFan · 05-30-2009, 02:23 AM

(eerie voice frmo beyond the grave)
Go village!?!
(/eerie voice from beyond the grave)

Barkeep49 · 05-30-2009, 11:02 AM

Just woke up to realize my PM box was full. Plenty of room now.

PurdueBrad · 05-30-2009, 11:07 AM

So BK, what happened to your internet?

I envision it something like what happens here from time to time. We have a relative (wife's, of course) that comes over and screws with things because he's sure he can set it up more efficiently, quicker, etc. and he'll leave and nothing will work. Then I get to spend a day trying to undo everything he did on the computer. He's taken down the wireless twice. He is no longer invited to anything here anymore.

Lathum · 05-30-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

So BK, what happened to your internet?

I envision it something like what happens here from time to time. We have a relative (wife's, of course) that comes over and screws with things because he's sure he can set it up more efficiently, quicker, etc. and he'll leave and nothing will work. Then I get to spend a day trying to undo everything he did on the computer. He's taken down the wireless twice. He is no longer invited to anything here anymore.

Jesus.

If any of my relatives came into my house and started fucking with shit it would be on like donkey kong.

Barkeep49 · 05-30-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

So BK, what happened to your internet?

I envision it something like what happens here from time to time. We have a relative (wife's, of course) that comes over and screws with things because he's sure he can set it up more efficiently, quicker, etc. and he'll leave and nothing will work. Then I get to spend a day trying to undo everything he did on the computer. He's taken down the wireless twice. He is no longer invited to anything here anymore.

The hosting provider was changed, without my knowledge, and the installation guys changed the settings so my router wouldn't work, but I didn't get new settings so I could still connect. All has been made good now however.

PurdueBrad · 05-30-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Jesus.

If any of my relatives came into my house and started fucking with shit it would be on like donkey kong.

Yeah, needless to say it was good times at Easter when we invited everyone BUT this person. I took a lot of shit but, seriously, come on. After the first time, I told him not to touch shit. The second time, I ran out to pick up a bunch of steaks we had ordered and came back to find that nothing worked and he was the wonderful cause. GRRRR, I would like to vote him in RL.

Barkeep49 · 05-30-2009, 11:55 AM

In the morning it is discovered that TWO people have left the convention. One, Chief Rum was clearly intimidated by the W.O.L.V.E.S. while the other ntndeacon seems to have been cursed out by someone else.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 11:58 AM

What was NTN?

Tyrith · 05-30-2009, 11:59 AM

Both villagers?

Danny · 05-30-2009, 12:00 PM

Saldana, I'm assuming you took out NTN?

Danny · 05-30-2009, 12:02 PM

I hope NTN wasn't Dubb's scan.

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 12:03 PM

Please tell me that someone scanned Dubb.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 12:06 PM

I'd still like to know if NTN was a wolf or villager.

PurdueBrad · 05-30-2009, 12:08 PM

Okay, we now have 11 players left. Best case, assuming nobody above was a wolf, is that we're 7-4, worst case 6-5. We MUST get a wolf today, so if you have any information or anything to go on, now is the time to spill it.

I scanned Danny...villager. I'm hoping dubb had better luck.

Right now, the COT I have going (and I know everyone's will vary some): Tyrith, Danny, Saldana, dubb and me.

Those scans all came after the no kill night as well so none of them have been converted. That being said, we're left with:

Schmidty, Hoops, Telle, Lathum, Racer, USFL

WORST CASE:
There are four or five wolves (even if dubb is one and saldana is another, say a fake scan via dubb), we have two or three left among those six players.

BEST CASE:
We have 4 or 5 wolves in those 6.

I will NOT be believing anyone for a role today unless it absolutely makes 100% sense in my mind.

My vote will definitely go on to one of those six, most likely one of three of them.

hoopsguy · 05-30-2009, 12:09 PM

I'd like to know both that and if Chief had a role - post #1 doesn't really help with answering either question.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 12:09 PM

I never planned to use my ability on Dubb last night. I'm hoping the fact that I am still alive means the wolves were content to let me take out Dubb. Hopefully if he is good (which I still believe is likely) it means he got another scan in.

PurdueBrad · 05-30-2009, 12:09 PM

So under my worst case scenario, we have a 33% shot of getting a wolf in those six up to a best case of 83% chance.

I will definitely roll with those odds before I take a shot at dubb.

PurdueBrad · 05-30-2009, 12:10 PM

WAIT, Danny, you can take out a believed player, right?

PurdueBrad · 05-30-2009, 12:10 PM

What if we pick one of those six as a vanilla wolf and have danny knock them out.

We then vote out another one of those.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 12:10 PM

PB, you've now scanned CR who looks to be good and scanned me who turned out good. I feel decent about Tyrith as well, so I think it's likely you are the real seer.

saldana · 05-30-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Saldana, I'm assuming you took out NTN?

i did, and here is why...i have played with NTN before and had him pull what is arguably the best UTR wolf game i have ever seen...in this game, i actually had almost forgotten he is playing, so i checked his post numbers...he had 24 posts in the entire thread...USFL has less, but i dont know enough about him to PK him, but NTN was really nagging at me so I played my hunch

what about you? you dont appear to have done anything.

Danny · 05-30-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

What if we pick one of those six as a vanilla wolf and have danny knock them out.

We then vote out another one of those.

That could definitely work actually

PurdueBrad · 05-30-2009, 12:11 PM

So let us see who is NOT willing to step up and say that they are a vanilla wolf because my vote will DEFINITELY go on them.

05-30-2009, 01:05 AM	#1201
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	So what time is tomorrow's night deadline?

05-30-2009, 01:15 AM	#1206
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Whatever works, but I think Day 4 is going to be messy if we don't have some sort of closure on him. Maniac, scan - I'm kind of indifferent since Dubb is only the believed seer and we can vote a new one in if needed. We would lose a scan from N3, but if Dubb isn't scanned are we going to believe it anyway?

05-30-2009, 01:16 AM	#1208
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Today is a long long day at the conference. There is some sort of internet malfunction messing up the conference organizers, making things run late, and generally inconveniencing everyone. In the end after much discussion it is yet another loyal V.I.L.L.A.G.E.R., lerriuqs, who the crowd feels, in some narrow sort of way, deserves to be sent home. Meanwhile you decide that saldana is one wild and crazy guy and should be considered the conference maniac.

05-30-2009, 01:17 AM	#1210
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I think it's now or never for my kill. If he is bad, I'm not sure I live another two nights.

05-30-2009, 01:17 AM	#1211
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cunning or the cultist, if we had a block instead of a conversion on N2.

05-30-2009, 01:21 AM	#1214
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Dubb is not the cultist I am sure.

05-30-2009, 01:21 AM	#1216
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	He would only have possibly known there was no duke in the game if he was a starting wolf.

05-30-2009, 01:22 AM	#1217
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Well I'm back to bed. Hopefully, we caught two wolves tonight (hoops and Dubb).

05-30-2009, 01:23 AM	#1218
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I made a play today and I don't know if it was good or bad, but suspect it was neutral and that we had two villagers on the line. You (Dubb) made a play earlier with the Duke role in some way/shape/form by not being clear on how it worked. And that is the most generous conclusion that we can draw. Which was definitely bad if you are a villager because you have gone from trusted to distrusted. Danny is considering making a play here tonight, just like you and I have up until now. I don't know how it will turn out, but can you really suggest that he would be out of line to make it?

05-30-2009, 01:24 AM	#1221
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	If I kill Dubb instead of scanning him we don't actually lose any scans. The starting seer gets in a scan that makes up for the one lost from Dubb. Then as Racer said, I would certainly hope it would say I was the one that killed him and I could replace him.

05-30-2009, 01:31 AM	#1223
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Saldana, I would ask that you do not kill either Dubb or PB tonight so we can avoid any potential confusion on where Danny might go with his play if he pulls the trigger tonight.

05-30-2009, 01:47 AM	#1225
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Well, if the conversation is done for the evening I need to get some sleep. Talk to you guys tomorrow, assuming that Saldana doesn't come gunning for me. I'm pretty confident that the wolves aren't gunning for me tonight after the deadline fiasco.

05-30-2009, 01:59 AM	#1227
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm off to bed in a few, don't think I'll be on before deadline in the morning. Hoping for the best, If I turn out to be wrong I apologize.

05-30-2009, 02:23 AM	#1228
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	(eerie voice frmo beyond the grave) Go village!?! (/eerie voice from beyond the grave)

05-30-2009, 11:02 AM	#1229
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Just woke up to realize my PM box was full. Plenty of room now.

05-30-2009, 11:55 AM	#1234
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	In the morning it is discovered that TWO people have left the convention. One, Chief Rum was clearly intimidated by the W.O.L.V.E.S. while the other ntndeacon seems to have been cursed out by someone else.

05-30-2009, 11:58 AM	#1235
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	What was NTN?

05-30-2009, 11:59 AM	#1236
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Both villagers?

05-30-2009, 12:00 PM	#1237
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Saldana, I'm assuming you took out NTN?

05-30-2009, 12:02 PM	#1238
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I hope NTN wasn't Dubb's scan.

05-30-2009, 12:03 PM	#1239
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Please tell me that someone scanned Dubb.

05-30-2009, 12:06 PM	#1240
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'd still like to know if NTN was a wolf or villager.

05-30-2009, 12:09 PM	#1242
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'd like to know both that and if Chief had a role - post #1 doesn't really help with answering either question.

05-30-2009, 12:09 PM	#1243
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I never planned to use my ability on Dubb last night. I'm hoping the fact that I am still alive means the wolves were content to let me take out Dubb. Hopefully if he is good (which I still believe is likely) it means he got another scan in.

05-30-2009, 12:10 PM	#1247
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	PB, you've now scanned CR who looks to be good and scanned me who turned out good. I feel decent about Tyrith as well, so I think it's likely you are the real seer.

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