Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Vince

Man, I'm not real happy with the way things are looking right now. The arguments for bulletsponge are pretty flimsy (though the vote for path is sort of indefensible), but there really isn't anyone else who is standing out either. I have to go soon, too.

Well with the current vote count I see 4 options:

1) Saldana - For starting the cronin vote yesterday
2) Bek - For like being mr.ghost in this game
3) bullet - for his inconsistancies and path vote
4) Someone else - likely throw away vote.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Woudl this be a bad time to announce that if all goes according to plan the next WW game will be Spawn 2?

Just kidding. That was actually my favorite game to date, inadequate henchmen or not

[Vince]

Hrm, well I don't like it, and it seems like it's not entirely his fault (didn't he say he's having computer problems?), but someone who hasn't been able to contribute well into day three needs to go. I'll probably be around for a little while longer, but then it's off to the airport.

Vote Bek.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well with the current vote count I see 4 options:

1) Saldana - For starting the cronin vote yesterday
2) Bek - For like being mr.ghost in this game
3) bullet - for his inconsistancies and path vote
4) Someone else - likely throw away vote.

Of the 4 that you listed, I'll be a hypocrite and vote #2.

Vote Bek

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Out until after lynch.

Anyone else see this and wonder why Tyrith is taking a such a late lunch?


Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Anyone else see this and wonder why Tyrith is taking a such a late lunch?


Anxiety

I didn't do it with that one but definitely did it earlier in the day

[saldana]

and now i am in the unenviable position of being a pile on vote, a throwaway vote, or a no vote, either way...i dig my own hole a little deeper.

vote chubby

i agree with lathum that he seems to have moments of rookie inexperienced mixed in with flashes of brilliance, which either means he is either better than we expected (he has been on the board for a long time, and easily could have read every WW game in history), or has met up with a vet necro and is getting some help.

[saldana]

dola, anyone got a count?

[tanglewood]

If it seems that I am just sitting in the thread, reading everything and not saying much then that's because it's pretty much exactly what I am doing. I really have no clue at this point beyond a few gut feelings, but seeing as I don't have anything substantive to really back them up, just a vibe I am getting from one or two players, I can't really move on them this early.

I realise that I am one who rather frequently admits to not having a good picture of things, but in this particular game it is even more accurate a statement than usual.

[Poli]

/me waves...it's what 6pm or so there?

[Vince]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

/me waves...it's what 6pm or so there?

An Ardent sighting! We miss you buddy!

It's about 4:45 here on the west coast.

And I'm officially out. Have a good one guys -- good luck.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Vince

Hrm, well I don't like it, and it seems like it's not entirely his fault (didn't he say he's having computer problems?), but someone who hasn't been able to contribute well into day three needs to go. I'll probably be around for a little while longer, but then it's off to the airport.

Vote Bek.

He has been sick...food poisoning if im not mistaken.

[Abe Sargent]

7:37 pm EST


-Anxiety

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by saldana

dola, anyone got a count?

Barkeep 1 - Pass (1053)
Tanglewood 1 - Blade (1066)
Saldana 3 - King (1070), Coffee (1112)
Blade 1 - Dubb (1098)
Chubby 2 - Lathum (1101), Saldana (1208)
Bek 4 - Chubby (1106), Anxiety (1116), Vince (1203), Schmidty (1204)
Bulletsponge 4 - Path (1133), Tyrith (1141), SnDvls (1147), Alan T (1181)

"easily read every WW in history"?

Regardless of tonight's outcome I've noticed two things; 1. you seem to have a history of voting for an egyptian and 2. people aren't forgetting how you started the run on Cronin.

I trust two people right now tho not fully since I have no way to be sure: Barkeep and Coffee Warlord.

[Chubby]

eh that should say "2" next to Saldana but I think everything else is correct...

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by saldana

and now i am in the unenviable position of being a pile on vote, a throwaway vote, or a no vote, either way...i dig my own hole a little deeper.

vote chubby

i agree with lathum that he seems to have moments of rookie inexperienced mixed in with flashes of brilliance, which either means he is either better than we expected (he has been on the board for a long time, and easily could have read every WW game in history), or has met up with a vet necro and is getting some help.

I read five or six WWs as well as tons of rl playing experience. So I did the same. Flashes mixed with stupidity.

-Anxiety

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Barkeep 1 - Pass (1053)
Tanglewood 1 - Blade (1066)
Saldana 2 - King (1070), Coffee (1112)
Blade 1 - Dubb (1098)
Chubby 2 - Lathum (1101), Saldana (1208)
Bek 4 - Chubby (1106), Anxiety (1116), Vince (1203), Schmidty (1204)
Bulletsponge 4 - Path (1133), Tyrith (1141), SnDvls (1147), Alan T (1181)

"easily read every WW in history"?

Regardless of tonight's outcome I've noticed two things; 1. you seem to have a history of voting for an egyptian and 2. people aren't forgetting how you started the run on Cronin.

I trust two people right now tho not fully since I have no way to be sure: Barkeep and Coffee Warlord.

a) thanks for the count
b) you're two points are absolutely correct, and i knew yesterday when i started the push that if i was wrong there would be heat for it....that logic of itself should be evidence that i'm an egyptian myself....not saying it should clear me, but it would be pretty dumb for a necro to draw that much attention to himself on day 2....all i can say to these points is the same thing i have said all day....it would be a mistake to lynch me if you are an Egyptian.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by saldana

a) thanks for the count
b) you're two points are absolutely correct, and i knew yesterday when i started the push that if i was wrong there would be heat for it....that logic of itself should be evidence that i'm an egyptian myself....not saying it should clear me, but it would be pretty dumb for a necro to draw that much attention to himself on day 2....all i can say to these points is the same thing i have said all day....it would be a mistake to lynch me if you are an Egyptian.

No problem on the count, I was waiting for someone to do one so we'd know the status anyways.

I don't really buy your "I pushed to have an Egyptian lynched therefore I must be an egyptian" logic tho. I'm not trying to lynch you... right now... maybe I have too high of a threshold for evidence I don't know. I'm fine with my bek vote and the only person I would consider switching it to is bullet for obvious reasons.

I will be taking a harder look at you tomorrow as I won't be forgetting day 2. Having the explorer around could have been a good asset down the road (tho I don't know if that is a sure thing as someone else mentioned).

[path12]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Granted, bullet, who now has 3 votes on him, had the best chance to die anyway, since path's tie-breaking vote was on him.

By the way, my tiebreak doesn't have to be my vote.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

WHy is he invincible at night? My fear is not that path is evil but that whoever would become pharoah after path was killed would be evil.

I don't have any reason to believe that I am invincible at night. I would like to think my benevolent rule would keep the bodyguards close.

[tanglewood]

Just to throw something out there, seeing as most of the players here seem to think path is not a bad guy (at least not at the moment) would it be useful to deliberatley set up a tie and have path choose between two guys?

[SnDvls]

unvote bullet
vote bek

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see path was the pharaoh for today.

chubby you're getting on my untrusted side with only 2 people in your "slight" trusted list...makes me wonder who's side you're on.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Why are we shooting blanks. Im under the impression so far path hasnt issued a single order. Its not he has to, its a choice. So far, ive assumed the EG has decided everything on his own. Where did path say he has ordered the EG around?

I ordered the EG on the first night. Last night I didn't. I will not say where I ordered him.

Blade, exactly what have I failed to get across to you thus far in the game to warrant your line of reasoning? I do not believe I'm immortal. I have no information of any alternate victory conditions for myself.

I think there are more productive roads to explore.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Just to throw something out there, seeing as most of the players here seem to think path is not a bad guy (at least not at the moment) would it be useful to deliberatley set up a tie and have path choose between two guys?

No, that would be bad I think. I believe he loses his ability to tiebreak if he chooses a good guy. (or maybe thats his duke role.. or maybe thats the same thing).

Plus we know he has this ability as the pharoah it was said. What we are debating is the possibility that he is bad or not. not what his abilities are.

[Qwikshot]

Vote Bulletsponge

I doubt path is evil; he got the artifacts so we can assume he is the pharoah.

Eager rook or not, it's just a bad play.

I apologize for my lack of involvement, with the migraine yesterday and crap at work today, it's been less than pleasing (try sleeping from 4:30 pm to 4:30 am and still feel crappy)...and I hate my job...anyone connected to the pharmaceutical industry?

On the game, still no real outcomes, it was fortuitous that Pass didn't get killed, and in the end getting a ceremonial dagger, I'm betting that hampers further attacks from that assassin.

Since it wasn't successful we know that the baddies are still not a cohesive unit so that's good.

I'm not all for those who are silent as bad anymore than those who a vocal as bad, but I recall many a prior game in which those who were vocal (squeaky wheel gets the grease) could manuveur the outcomes. That being said, those who are quiet lead themselves to suspicion because no one can get a read on them. I'm entitled to give tangle some latitude due to the time zone and the same goes for Blade and Bek (food poisoning sucks man) but at some point, all is fair in ww (except passing PMs and showing PMs by the starter of the game and talking while dead (guilty)).

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by path12

I ordered the EG on the first night. Last night I didn't. I will not say where I ordered him.

Blade, exactly what have I failed to get across to you thus far in the game to warrant your line of reasoning? I do not believe I'm immortal. I have no information of any alternate victory conditions for myself.

I think there are more productive roads to explore.

I think it's blade just trying to offer up a different view and get people talking per his usual actions in WW games.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Just to throw something out there, seeing as most of the players here seem to think path is not a bad guy (at least not at the moment) would it be useful to deliberatley set up a tie and have path choose between two guys?

For what purpose? I don't see any benefit, only potential harm to the Egyptian side.

SnDvls - I have no way of knowing for sure who is good and who is bad besides myself. I can make logical assumptions but I think it's been clear that I don't fully trust you or dubb, while i may trust dubb more there still isn't enough shown for me to trust him more. I fully stand behind the 2 I do trust. I'm not willing to say I trust someone, or thrown someone under a bus until I've seen enough from them. Coming from the person who wouldn't vouch for the person that saved him yesterday, I'd think you would understand that.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

I ordered the EG on the first night. Last night I didn't. I will not say where I ordered him.

Blade, exactly what have I failed to get across to you thus far in the game to warrant your line of reasoning? I do not believe I'm immortal. I have no information of any alternate victory conditions for myself.

I think there are more productive roads to explore.

Im not voting you, so i agree with the other routes. But Tyrith stated you cant be bad, which is not true to me. I think you have as much chance as anyone. I just dont like it when people are trusted on a basis i dont agree with, so i defend my side. It doesnt mean your my top suspect, it just means i dont agree with what tyrith was saying.

[Abe Sargent]

tangle - doesn't he lose tie breaking if he hits an Egyptian? That's no somethign we want to force.

-Anxiety

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I think it's blade just trying to offer up a different view and get people talking per his usual actions in WW games.

He said it better then i did, just trying to keep people from becoming content

[Abe Sargent]

Fouts, ya gotta come join us. Next game?

-Anxiety

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Im not voting you, so i agree with the other routes. But Tyrith stated you cant be bad, which is not true to me. I think you have as much chance as anyone. I just dont like it when people are trusted on a basis i dont agree with, so i defend my side. It doesnt mean your my top suspect, it just means i dont agree with what tyrith was saying.

I figured that but just wanted to make sure.

[SnDvls]

chubby - care to explain why the 2 you have in your "trusted" list are there?

[path12]

Dola, the bullet vote is just gut feel. Nobody should think that I have any special insight on him. I'm not a fan of voting Bek again because of his being sick, and I don't believe Saldana is bad for once.

[Blade6119]

good luck with the lynch everyone! i hope bek is a bad guy

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Fouts, ya gotta come join us. Next game?

-Anxiety

Thinking about it. These games seem to be getting more interesting now.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

tangle - doesn't he lose tie breaking if he hits an Egyptian? That's no somethign we want to force.

-Anxiety

That's true didn't consider that. I just thought it might have been a way of getting someone we all relatively trusted to make the call, rather than endlessly speculate about necros moving the votes around etc. that inevitibley happens in WW games. Of course they could have just manuvered to get two guys they wanted gone up, but anyway it's not worth it.

[bulletsponge]

Vote Saldana

this guy better not be the pharoahs nephew or ill be pissed

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

That's true didn't consider that. I just thought it might have been a way of getting someone we all relatively trusted to make the call, rather than endlessly speculate about necros moving the votes around etc. that inevitibley happens in WW games. Of course they could have just manuvered to get two guys they wanted gone up, but anyway it's not worth it.

Just because he is more trusted for me than most people does not mean that I feel he has any more knowledge to who is bad than any of the rest of us. I have not seen any hints from him saying that to be the case. A power like that is better used with knowledge behind it than random stabs in the dark like it would be right now.

[Vince]

Stupid flights being late.

I believe he doesn't lose tiebreaking ability unless he uses his Duke role and gets an Egyptian. Don't quote me on that though, that's just what I remember from the discussion earlier on the topic.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Vince

Stupid flights being late.

I believe he doesn't lose tiebreaking ability unless he uses his Duke role and gets an Egyptian. Don't quote me on that though, that's just what I remember from the discussion earlier on the topic.

Right, and he would have to use that role if we forced a tie.

-Anxiety

[Vince]

Ok, looking things over...I don't think a tiebreaker vote is the same as using his Duke power. I also don't think that the Pharaoh can lose his tiebreaker vote unless he is dead. The rules say that the tiebreaker starts with the pharaoh initially, but there is no mention of him losing his tiebreaker vote.

[Vince]

And now I'm really out of here. Later all.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

chubby - care to explain why the 2 you have in your "trusted" list are there?

To me, they've been the most consistent and made the most sense.

[Barkeep49]

Yeah to making sense! Yeah to conistency! Yeah to Chubby for being a smart player !

[bulletsponge]

is it me or is my neck feeling tight

[dubb93]

OK, I'm back let me catch up a little.

[Barkeep49]

So I keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting for Bek to come around. But as that is looking increasingly less likely

Vote Bek

[Chubby]

SnDvls - Now to you, feel free to let us know who you trust and why.

[Barkeep49]

One good thing just popped into mind: Normally at this time in a game we would be down 4 humans. We're only down 2. This is, a good thing, I feel.