Werewolf XX - Of Demons and Elementals (Humans Win!)

[hoopsguy]

Interesting, I've got a theory on this as well. But I'm just a little bit worried about not being here and having it die with me.

You guys interested in me posting it, with the knowledge that there could be some risk if I'm close to on the right track?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

You guys interested in me posting it, with the knowledge that there could be some risk if I'm close to on the right track?

Yes, b/c if you are on the right track with everything so far, I'd say there is a really good chance you are dead tonight.

[Poli]

Well, it depends on your comfort level. I'd like to know, but it's honestly up to you.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Yes, b/c if you are on the right track with everything so far, I'd say there is a really good chance you are dead tonight.

I am almost positive he is safe.

[st.cronin]

Guys, I am signing off soon, and I may not be back before morning. Best of luck.

[hoopsguy]

1. Cronin is elemental
2. What roles would elementals know? Well, probably the warlock and the druid
3. Cronin said that he knows two roles, Gram and SnDvls
4. He protected SnDvls at the expense of Gram
5. He said that Gram is a demon and SnDvls is a human

Theory - bad things happen if humans kill their druid. Or at least on this particular day, due to some oddities with the favors.

Cronin wants to protect both of them, but the loss of multiple humans would have moved demon victory conditions dangerously close. And the elementals don't win if demons win, they win if their undetermined goals are met. Perhaps they are tied to total number of sacrifices received, or number of correct sacrifices. Well, the sacrifices end if one side is wiped out.


This is all complete guesswork. But that is how my mind is trying to construct the limited information that I have.

[Poli]

Oooh. The correct number of sacrifices is an interesting thought.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

1. Cronin is elemental
2. What roles would elementals know? Well, probably the warlock and the druid
3. Cronin said that he knows two roles, Gram and SnDvls
4. He protected SnDvls at the expense of Gram
5. He said that Gram is a demon and SnDvls is a human

I agree with all of this, but I think my theory could apply here too. If Cronin is an elemental prehaps they rotate protecting the druid/warlock and it was pre-determined they were protecting Gram that day.

He saw that Sun was the lynch that day, and decided to try and steer it toward Gram, hoping we would think Gram was our warlock(I assume that is the humans sacrifice guy) for some reason. The way I see it now is that if this is true, both will probably be dead within a few days now. Otherwise it makes no sense for an elemental to out one of the guys that can sacrifice, at the expense of another one. That is where I'm lost at right now.

[Poli]

I'm tired of wondering if I'm dieing tonight.

[dubb93]

I got something I feel a little more comfortable discussing without possibly feeling the wrath of the elementals. I remember someone brought up an assassin type role earlier(days ago?). What was the basis for thinking we have an assassin on the human side? Why did people seem to think he had multiple kills? And if he did infact exist what direction, if any, do you expect him to go tonight?

I've missed out on this game for a while now, I need to get caught back up on all the past dicussion that went on.

[hoopsguy]

I'm hoping someone is able to help us put the pieces together pretty soon.

Tomorrow can't get here soon enough ... I'm worried that I'm going to be worthless at work tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Death by poison sounds like assassin to me.

Death by demon = mauling.
Death by elemental = fire and lightning.
Death by assassin = poison

Based on other games, I don't think it would be a multi-use power.

[Poli]

Agreed. I'd have to think it's an assassin.

[hoopsguy]

But if the assassin still had attempts left, then I would probably want him to work off of my no-trust list, factoring in the role reveals over the last day or so into their own thinking.

Ardent - ???
SnDvls - purported minstrel (random raise dead)
Pass - ???
Path - tie-breaker?
Gram - ???, protected by elementals today
Taz - tie-breaker? Declared first, says that Schmidty may have been as well
Barkeep - purported priest (select the raise dead option)

A druid and a warlock are in this group. I think there are two more demons in this list.

Trusted
Dubb - reasons not disclosed
Cronin - think I've been pretty clear on him
WVU - demonstrated tie-breaking power, "grizzled soldier", separate roll from Taz/Path tie-break?
Dac - elemental
Blade - pretty sure he is Duke, but not 100%
Me - known human (well, I know it)

[dubb93]

OK, Hoops without asking you to reveal your role, are you 100% sure through and through Cronin is on the up and up and an elemental, b/c I still have a fishy feeling about him.

Is it too much of a stretch that Sun and Cronin are both demons, Sun is the druid and told them he didn't recieve favor today. So Cronin, figuring he has some trust, throws suspecion on Gram figuring he is an easy target. Gram was randomly protected, and it infact bought them an extra day. In this theory when we go to lynch Gram, we'll learn he was our warlock.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

But if the assassin still had attempts left, then I would probably want him to work off of my no-trust list, factoring in the role reveals over the last day or so into their own thinking.

Ardent - ???
SnDvls - purported minstrel (random raise dead)
Pass - ???
Path - tie-breaker?
Gram - ???, protected by elementals today
Taz - tie-breaker? Declared first, says that Schmidty may have been as well
Barkeep - purported priest (select the raise dead option)

A druid and a warlock are in this group. I think there are two more demons in this list.

Trusted
Dubb - reasons not disclosed
Cronin - think I've been pretty clear on him
WVU - demonstrated tie-breaking power, "grizzled soldier", separate roll from Taz/Path tie-break?
Dac - elemental
Blade - pretty sure he is Duke, but not 100%
Me - known human (well, I know it)

Let's see if I can do this:
Trusted:
Cronin
WVU Villager
Taz
Dac - elemental
Blade Villager
me Villager
Hoops

Little trust:
Sndvls
Barkeep

Not so trusted:
Dubb
Pass
Path


Not trusted the most
Gramm

[Poli]

Explaining the bottom groups...if Sndvls and barkeep perform their roles I'll believe them more. I'm tempted to move dubb into that group based on hoops, who I believe to be good as well.

Pass, Path...I don't know much on...and haven't caught up on.

Gramm...no trust at all. I mean, he really hasn't given reason to be trusted.

[Barkeep49]

Why does Taz make the cut, but not path? Path is more credible since he's the onel claiming to currently be able to break ties.

[hoopsguy]

My role has identified Cronin. This is not any kind of guesswork on my part.

[hoopsguy]

But I don't know his motivations. In general, I'm not inclined to think that he is doing a razzle-dazzle on us because it is inconsistent with his play in previous games.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Why does Taz make the cut, but not path? Path is more credible since he's the onel claiming to currently be able to break ties.

My list is very general and far from flawless. Taz is cleared on my list as a human or elemental because IMO he's been helpful. On the ball and seems to have our best interests in mind.

Path, again, I'm relying on my lack of knowledge. I didn't know he claimed he can break ties.

My fear is that I've got at least one person in the wrong group.

I've been wrong so far. I thought Saldana might be bad (based on his story, it seemed a little inconclusive), I had a little notion that king may have been playing the quiet game as well.

I was after St.cronin as well, because of Saldana, but now I feel extremely secure with him.

Take my 2 cents for what it's worth.

[Coffee Warlord]

FYI - I'm not processing night actions till the actual deadline this time around.

[TazFTW]

Boooo

[Poli]

Warlord, i'm driving to your house and slicing the bear's throat. You have been warned.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well shit. Lemme see here.

[Poli]

I can't believe you'd think you can get away with that.

[hoopsguy]

Ardent, Barkeep - we still meeting up on Wednesday for pizza? It will be a bear not to talk about this game, but the national championship game should help divert our attention.

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh. Where you guys going for pizza?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Ardent, Barkeep - we still meeting up on Wednesday for pizza? It will be a bear not to talk about this game, but the national championship game should help divert our attention.

Mmmm. My work schedule has changed to the afternoon/night...but I ttttthink I can talk my way into eating.

Warlord, it's at the Silo in Lake Bluff.

www.silopizza.com

[hoopsguy]

Going to be a lull in conversation leading up to the kill if we are all out.

Or Coffee could join us and push the deadline back that day ...

[dubb93]

I'm now completely convinced in Cronin, but his motivations scare me. It makes no sense to for an elemental with no interest in the humans or demons other than the warlord/druid, to push the vote away from the warlord onto the druid just b/c he was protected by them. Something seems fishy with the Sun/Gram situation. Gram was too easy a target, while I don't know why an elemental would want to save Sun, unless they had a vested interest in there being no kill during the day today for reason and needed the person they were protecting to be the target(warlord/druid or not). And I tend to believe Gramm is neither the warlord or druid, b/c like I said, all outting him would do for Cronin is lock in the fact his sacrifices will be coming to an end.

B/C one way or the other, I don't see Gramm getting past the demons if he is a human, or us if he is a demon, the rest of the game.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Going to be a lull in conversation leading up to the kill if we are all out.

Or Coffee could join us and push the deadline back that day ...

Actually barkeep and I had a great time when we ate last. We talked about the "last" game...where I was the bloody captain.

[Barkeep49]

I'm still good for wednesday. Been thinking about how all three of us are still in it.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm still good for wednesday. Been thinking about how all three of us are still in it.

I think we also talked about "general" strategy, but not concerning any particular game.

[hoopsguy]

Argh - ye walked the plank, matey!

[dubb93]

Any chance of getting the night actions tonight Coffee? , I have a feeling we're going to have alot to talk about after todays voting no kill situation.

[Barkeep49]

It's going to be a Wednesday morning day deadline and then a Wednesday night night deadline. No problem with our meeting. Course, pass and CW would still be welcome to join us.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Argh - ye walked the plank, matey!

And even though "we" won I felt I lost because I bit it.


Garrrrrrr! Me swabbies sank me bones to Davy Jones. Be angry still to dis day.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

It's going to be a Wednesday morning day deadline and then a Wednesday night night deadline. No problem with our meeting. Course, pass and CW would still be welcome to join us.

Yep, it could be a big group.

[hoopsguy]

Chicago - the cradle of FOFC werewolf?

[dubb93]

OH SHIT! Night actions are going through and from the PM I just got, you guys are going to love me, although I may need protection from Cronin

[dubb93]

how about that to put you guys on the edge of your seats

[Coffee Warlord]

What a night. Let's start from the top, shall we?

At around 10pm, you are all awoken by a scream. A very naked, but very much ALIVE Kingfc has come staggering out of the graveyard. He is confused, he is woozy, but he is alive. The gods have granted him life!

Not an hour later, it happens again. What in the holy hells is going on? The gods have seen fit to return not one, but two people frmo the dead! Saldana has returned from the grave! Praise be to the gods!

A few hours later, it becomes quite obvious no one is getting any sleep tonight. A god-awful cry of pain courses through the courtyard, and you see a cloaked figure withdrawing from SnDvls his throat cut and the life leaving him. But while life may be leaving him, his soul is going elsewhere. In his last moments, a dark demonic force materializes and wrenches SnDvls's black soul from his body, fulfilling the unholy pact which he had obviously made. His killer however, has slipped away into the shadows.

The sun rises about the same time as you smell something...bad. Yep. You thought the trout smelled bad, that's nothing compared to the damn Squid that has been sacrificed today. And let me tell you, that sucker is colossal.

Not to be outdone, the sacrifice of the squid is met with Yet Another Yak (tm). This one is just as diseased, just as mountable, and just as dead. Good thing too. Noone is really sure what would happen if there was a live Squid and a live Yak running around.

You all start the day with an immediate trip to the tavern.


DAY 4 DEADLINE - 9pm Tuesday


Active List
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1 Ardent Enthusiast
2 Blade6119
3 Schmidty, Human, Lynched Day 1
4 Dacman (Elemental)
5 Hoopsguy
6 SnDvls, Demon, Throat Slit Night 3
7 Passacaglia
8 Path12
9 St.Cronin
10 Grammaticus
11 TazFTW
12 Saldana, Human, Murdered Night 2, Resurrected
13 WVUFAN
14 Kingfc22, Human, Poisoned in his Sleep Night 2, Resurrected
15 Barkeep49
16 dubb93

[Poli]

Spill it, dubb, please!

[dubb93]

, i see no reason to keep my role under wraps anymore. I am the thief. I notice everything that happens to me at night b/c I don't sleep(that is how I felt the presence of the seer earlier in the game). I also have a 1 time chance to kill someone, that is now done. Last night I killed SNDVLS b/c Cronin's story did not make sense. I actually found him not in his room, but standing watch for someone doing a sacrifice, that is where I slit his throat.

[Poli]

Sweet! Sndvls was bad!!! Glad he wasn't in the trusted group. It makes me feel a little better.

[Barkeep49]

SWEET! SnDvls was a Demon! That rocks!

I hope everyone can agree that I am human now.

[kingfc22]

I'm baaaaaacckkkkkkkkkkk!

[Passacaglia]

Wow...rock on!!!

And I'm up for pizza -- I've got Wednesday off! What time?

[Poli]

Well, someone wasted a scan. I hope you're happy. Now someone else knows my fairly useless role. I would have much rather have you scan...say, Grammaticus, since I don't trust him.

Regardless, I just moved way up on someone's trust list. Such a waste, though.