WW CLVI - Clue: Master Detective - GAME OVER! MURDERERS WIN! (Post 1817)

[Danny]

Why not bring in one more candidate and we can go wolf, wolf wolf.

I think anyone even hoping we have wolf wolf is likely very very wrong

[DQ_BOY1000]

Originally Posted by Danny

Why not bring in one more candidate and we can go wolf, wolf wolf.

I think anyone even hoping we have wolf wolf is likely very very wrong

Are you saying neither are wolves?

[path12]

Chubby, you said you were a soothsayer. Have you not checked out any of britrock's statements?

[Danny]

No, I am saying I dont think any decent wolf team would let the village get them in a wolf-wolf situation. One could quite possibly be a wolf, but I dont see both being wolves

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by path12

Chubby, you said you were a soothsayer. Have you not checked out any of britrock's statements?

Hahaha, I never said that because i'm not a soothsayer. Please quote me.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Danny

No, I am saying I dont think any decent wolf team would let the village get them in a wolf-wolf situation. One could quite possibly be a wolf, but I dont see both being wolves

and yet last game we had wolf-wolf at the end and the wolves won.

[path12]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

This makes sense and makes me somewhat hopeful we might even be wolf-wolf tonight.

I love and hate werewolf.

We are looking at the same stuff and am afraid we are villager-villager.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chubby

and yet last game we had wolf-wolf at the end and the wolves won.

Well yes, but early game wolf wolf rarely happens

[Autumn]

Here's the thing. If Britrock is on the up and up, and is truly the seer and not a murderer, there's a very good chance he will be by tonight. He must have his list of suspects down to 3 or 4. By tomorrow night he's almost certain to have his Informer caught, with just a bit of luck.

Now the question is, do we wait until the Singing Telegram Girl dies, and then lynch Brit the next day? Or do we lynch him proactively (with the added bonus that he might already be bad)? I wonder what happens if he's already bad - does he still need to find the Telegram Girl, and will anything happen if he does?

[Chubby]

didn't brit even say this morning that he scanned someone but wasn't going to tell just yet?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Here's the thing. If Britrock is on the up and up, and is truly the seer and not a murderer, there's a very good chance he will be by tonight. He must have his list of suspects down to 3 or 4. By tomorrow night he's almost certain to have his Informer caught, with just a bit of luck.

Now the question is, do we wait until the Singing Telegram Girl dies, and then lynch Brit the next day? Or do we lynch him proactively (with the added bonus that he might already be bad)? I wonder what happens if he's already bad - does he still need to find the Telegram Girl, and will anything happen if he does?

The possible upside to waiting is him getting another scan in. I dont know though, I dont think Brit has been converted, so if he is a wolf, he was likely a starting wolf.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I've got another cleared player outside the Big Six. I'm thinking I won't reveal until I need to, though, given what happened to ntn.

ahh yes, so helpful

[Autumn]

To follow, if Brit really is a seer, waiting until he lynches the Telegram girl gives us a few valid scans before he dies. Killing him before he finds her saves us one unnecessary death (telegram girl) but costs us scans.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Hahaha, I never said that because i'm not a soothsayer. Please quote me.

My bad. I had down that you hinted at it and then you referenced a piece of information that made me think you were. You never said that.

[Autumn]

Now, if Brit is a starting wolf, and also can cause the death of the telegram girl, then we want to kill him now, as he may be helping with a night kill, plus working his way toward an extra kill.

On the other hand, if Fontisian was converted last night, she is a wolf, but not one that can cause an extra death, so Brit would be a higher priority than her.

[Autumn]

This is all to say I'm not sure where to vote.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by path12

My bad. I had down that you hinted at it and then you referenced a piece of information that made me think you were. You never said that.

I had down that you hinted at a Big 6 role.

/shrug

[Danny]

The golden rule no longer works because Hoops is dead

[path12]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Hahaha, I never said that because i'm not a soothsayer. Please quote me.

Originally Posted by Chubby

I had down that you hinted at a Big 6 role.

/shrug

I flat out said I wasn't an informant. That's all.

[path12]

Don't know how that other quote got in there.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by path12

Don't know how that other quote got in there.

mad skillz

like i said, hinted at

[KatyLied]

Finally caught up on posts and I'mthoroughly confused. But myohmy this spreadsheet is so pretty and color coded!

As much as I wanted to refrain from going after my real life homies until absolutely necessary, britrock's caterwauling from last night was très unnecessary. And DQ_BOY is right - brit is smart and, I'm starting to believe, an unrepentant wolf. But he's having a busy day IRL, and has zero chance to redeem himself. So I'll give him a chance. (You'd better make it good, Mister.)

[fontisian]

I do still have my kill. Can anyone think of a way for me to prove it? All I can think of is going after a person the town chooses, but I could do that if I were scum without an extra kill.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by fontisian

I do still have my kill. Can anyone think of a way for me to prove it? All I can think of is going after a person the town chooses, but I could do that if I were scum without an extra kill.

sure, you can prove it when you are lynched

[fontisian]

Wow, I never thought of that Chubby.

[Chubby]

I'm here to help.

[Coffee Warlord]

5 - Font (Chubby 1042, PackerFanatic 1049, JAG 1053, mauchow 1113, Zinto 1173)
4 - Britrock (DQ 1082, Saldana 1106, Lathum 1128, bhlloy 1133)

[path12]

VOTE FONTESIAN

Reasonings and hesitations are already on record. Be back before deadline in case anything comes up.

[britrock88]

Okay, in the thread. Be ready for some posts.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Autumn

The drawback is, that if someone else killed NTN, then Font is now a safe Big 6 to have around, so it would be a shame to kill her. It also is a wasted day if everyone just piles on her for this reason. If we had a seer we could trust, that would be one thing--we could just scan her. But the fact that Britrock is still alive isn't particularly encouraging.

I'm thinking more and more that the wolves are willing to keep me around because none of you (save maybe Zinto and path) seem to trust me, anyway.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Kinda makes me wonder why Brit hasn't scanne font yet. Seems like she would be an obvious choice given her reveal.

Would you like me to? By gut reaction, I was more inclined to believe her reveal than yours...

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

vote britrock

If we lynch a seer we will obviously look pretty stupid. But I can't help feeling that font is being set up and we are all falling for it. I'll reconsider this in more detail close to deadline

You will look pretty stupid. And I don't think font is the way to go.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Zinto

The double murder looks bad for Font but to be fair there may be another way for roles to get kills other then just the big six. I think Brit needs to reveal his scan because it helps us get at least a semi-circle of trust.

My scan? Zinto is clean.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Would you like me to? By gut reaction, I was more inclined to believe her reveal than yours...

who cares who you scan if you don't reveal it

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Brit still being alive and being the seer is not totally crazy to me for three reasons:
1. Just based on thread discussion it is clear that at some point we are going to lynch our seer, sooner rather then later. The murderers could be playing in to that and just waiting it out an extra day where they can wait it out and night kill him tonight if it does not work out.

2. They could be waiting for him to scan his informant thus converting him and taking out what I presume to be a villager.

Danke.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by britrock88

You will look pretty stupid. And I don't think font is the way to go.

why?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I don't think either of these is are remotely the case. You don't leave a seer alive longer than you have to as a wolf in case he gets lucky. No wolf who has any idea what they are doing does that.

If he was the seer and we have a traditional NK he would be dead. Or the wolves have no idea what they are doing

Unless the confusion caused by the near-total lack of belief in my reveal is doing more for the wolves' cause than is my revealing clean scans.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by britrock88

My scan? Zinto is clean.

and night 2?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Chubby

here's my quandry with brit, what good is a suspicious seer who doesn't clear people?

What good is an obstinate WW player who won't believe in an uncontroverted and pressure-induced seer reveal?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I am not sure he has been on since everyone has been pushing for him to reveal his scan but he should reveal who it was. I also don't think it is going to matter who he scanned he is going to get votes no matter what.

Right. Sigh...

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Chubby

its not that he hasn't found anyone, it's that he hasn't said who he was scanned at all in 2 nights.

also, please point out where he specifically spelled out that he can search for murderers. He may have said it but I can't find it. I read his "reveal" as simply the same as the other revealed Big 6ers abilities in that they are searching for their counterpart.

If you would like it spelled out again, I AM THE SEER. I SCAN FOR MURDERERS. THE "WEIRD" PART OF MY ROLE IS THAT IF I HAPPEN TO SCAN THE SINGING TELEGRAM GIRL, I MURDER HER AND CONVERT.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by path12

There are certainly roles in this game that are regular WW roles. There may be a twist or two, but the basic archetypes are in this game.

*ding ding ding*

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by path12

I take the "one scan" comment to refer to the fact that he thinks he is gonna get whacked. YMMV.

Yup.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by path12

I love and hate werewolf.

We are looking at the same stuff and am afraid we are villager-villager.

I think you're right.

[britrock88]

Vote Chubby

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Vote Chubby

lolololol

why not font? who was day 2 scan?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Chubby

why?

Because the village will vote out its seer.

Originally Posted by Chubby

and night 2?

Scanned ntn as clean on N1 (fancy why he was NKed last night).
Scanned Zinto as clean on N2.

[Chubby]

also, why not scan me? i've been on the block every day. i'm glad to see my streak is unbroken

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Because the village will vote out its seer.



Scanned ntn as clean on N1 (fancy why he was NKed last night).
Scanned Zinto as clean on N2.

so you are scanning for the telegram girl. got it

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Chubby

lolololol

why not font? who was day 2 scan?

Font has also revealed and has not been contradicted. And it seems to be her (stated?) intention to stay on the side of the village, so I don't think she went looking for her informant.