2015 MLB thread - Page 25

stevew · 07-23-2015, 10:13 PM

He's 60+ years old and still a better hitter than his offspring I'm guessing.

JeeberD · 07-23-2015, 10:52 PM

Walk off shot for Jose Altuve to cap a sweep of the BoSox.

And the Angels lost tonight...thanks, Twins!

Vince, Pt. II · 07-24-2015, 01:46 AM

Any Rays fans, or people who have watched a few Rays games around these parts? Was browsing baseball reference today, and noticed a kid named Kevin Kiermaier who plays outfield for the Rays. He's crushing the field in defensive WAR (3.0, 2nd place is 2.4 and no one else is over 2.0). I've never even heard of him. Does he have a cannon for an arm? Tons of outfield assists? What's his deal?

MizzouRah · 07-24-2015, 09:19 AM

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Hey! The Brewers helped out with that too coming out of the break!

Yes sir.. and THANK YOU too!

Chief Rum · 07-24-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Walk off shot for Jose Altuve to cap a sweep of the BoSox.

And the Angels lost tonight...thanks, Twins!

Ironically, the Angels were shut down by former longtime Angel and the least likely PED user ever in Ervin Santana.

Good day for the 'Stros yesterday. I have nothing against Houston, so I would love to see them get a wildcard spot, but would rather (of course) that the Angels stay on top of the division.

Recoil · 07-24-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Any Rays fans, or people who have watched a few Rays games around these parts? Was browsing baseball reference today, and noticed a kid named Kevin Kiermaier who plays outfield for the Rays. He's crushing the field in defensive WAR (3.0, 2nd place is 2.4 and no one else is over 2.0). I've never even heard of him. Does he have a cannon for an arm? Tons of outfield assists? What's his deal?

The arm is "only" above average. Most of his value comes from his range and speed. I can't recall seeing him make a bad read off the bat in a live game, but I'm not sure if it would even matter since he closes in on the ball so quickly. He could legitimately be the best defensive outfielder in the game right now.

Vince, Pt. II · 07-24-2015, 03:27 PM

Yeah, the 2.4 is Andrelton Simmons, who is as wizardly with the glove as I've seen since The Wizard himself. So the fact that this guy is well above and beyond Simmons in significant playing time is incredible to me.

rowech · 07-24-2015, 05:13 PM

Reds continue to bumble their salary dumps. Market value just keeps going down. Wish they would get the job done instead of twiddling their thumbs in the hopes of getting better offers. Market value is only going down at this point.

Recoil · 07-24-2015, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Reds continue to bumble their salary dumps. Market value just keeps going down. Wish they would get the job done instead of twiddling their thumbs in the hopes of getting better offers. Market value is only going down at this point.

Isn't the consensus that ownership has tied Jocketty's hands? I still think it's certain that Bruce and Cueto are moved, but less sure they deal Chapman for whatever reason.

Logan · 07-24-2015, 05:33 PM

What's the realistic desired return for Bruce?

JPhillips · 07-24-2015, 05:38 PM

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What's the realistic desired return for Bruce?

Who knows, but it should be worth a fair amount. He's reestablished himself as an .800ops guy with a good glove. He's also still got a couple years of control on a reasonable contract.

rowech · 07-24-2015, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

What's the realistic desired return for Bruce?

I don't know what teams are offering for anybody obviously but I don't like being stuck in baseball purgatory. Once it's clear that it's time to rebuild, you get rid of EVERYBODY who has value and get what you can get to get out of your contracts and as many solid prospects as you can get.

As for Bruce -- I'd say a clear major leaguer who is in AA or AAA sitting 1-2 years away.

Recoil · 07-24-2015, 06:27 PM

“@jonmorosi: #Braves will obtain RHPs Rob Whalen and John Gant from #Mets for J. Uribe and K. Johnson, source confirms @joelsherman1 report. @FOXSports”

Welp, this makes the Barves even more unwatchable this year. I like this trade for the Mets, but it's obviously not one that'll put them in definite contention. I'm guessing they'll have to part with some upside pitching if they want to grab an impact bat.

Atocep · 07-24-2015, 06:53 PM

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I like this trade for the Mets, but it's obviously not one that'll put them in definite contention. I'm guessing they'll have to part with some upside pitching if they want to grab an impact bat.

I'd expect to see Meisner, Fulmer, and Nimmo dangled to see what they can bring in.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-24-2015, 09:01 PM

Braves still haven't figured out that you really don't gain much in baseball by tanking.

Honestly, I don't see me ever getting past this season with the franchise. The utter & complete mismanagement, the attempt (which has failed only due to the ineptitude of a few other franchises) to set up another worst-to-first kind of thing.

I get not trying with little to no chanced I guess but but intentionally & mindlessly TRYING to get worse? Fuck them & their new stadium, damned thing ought to sit empty.

claphamsa · 07-24-2015, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Braves still haven't figured out that you really don't gain much in baseball by tanking.

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disagree with this 100%. there is out there statistical evidence showing the likelihood of a player making the majors based on the draft position....and tanking is the way to go. you cant be stupid, but it helps.

look at the nationals, we were pissed for years that they wouldn't even try to be mediocre...and we got harper and strasburg out of it.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-24-2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

disagree with this 100%. there is out there statistical evidence showing the likelihood of a player making the majors based on the draft position....and tanking is the way to go. you cant be stupid, but it helps.

look at the nationals, we were pissed for years that they wouldn't even try to be mediocre...and we got harper and strasburg out of it.

Not when the roster is the size of baseball. One player does not a championship make.

And, well, you ain't won shit with Harper & Fragileboy yet. And if there's any justice they never will (the chickenshit handling of Strasburg should have angered the baseball gods for at least a century)

EagleFan · 07-24-2015, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

disagree with this 100%. there is out there statistical evidence showing the likelihood of a player making the majors based on the draft position....and tanking is the way to go. you cant be stupid, but it helps.

look at the nationals, we were pissed for years that they wouldn't even try to be mediocre...and we got harper and strasburg out of it.

I disagree with this 200%. Baseball draft position means less than any other sport. One player does not make a team and draft placement is far from a guarantee for baseball.

Logan · 07-25-2015, 12:09 AM

That's the type of trade the Mets should have made in spring training. They'd still be a couple bats away from real contention, but having some decent depth would have this team with a few more wins at this point.

Atocep · 07-25-2015, 01:39 AM

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BillJasper · 07-25-2015, 06:48 AM

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They aren't going to buy much in today's baseball market with $3 million.

mauchow · 07-25-2015, 07:03 AM

Cubs just keep blowing games they should have won.... just need a dominant closer and one more TOR type SP and a better hitter then they'd be playoff threats.. but right now, they're still just on the edge of being potentially pretty darn good.

SackAttack · 07-25-2015, 07:24 AM

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Braves still haven't figured out that you really don't gain much in baseball by tanking.

On the other hand, if you're moving from Atlanta to Cobb County because the whit--er, I mean, the REAL Braves fans can't be bothered to show up to the games in the current stadium, and it's going to be a couple years before the move actually happens, why would you spend money on the team unless you think this is your window to win in any event?

Look, I don't get the Markakis signing either. The point is, if they don't think they're ready to compete with the Nationals and they don't think additional spending is going to increase marginal attendance, they might as well lose.

It'll give them larger bonus pools for the draft and international free agent markets. That's no guarantee of future success, of course, but it gives them flexibility they wouldn't have at 81-81.

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

disagree with this 100%. there is out there statistical evidence showing the likelihood of a player making the majors based on the draft position....and tanking is the way to go. you cant be stupid, but it helps.

look at the nationals, we were pissed for years that they wouldn't even try to be mediocre...and we got harper and strasburg out of it.

The higher a player is drafted the more likely they are to make the majors. That's true.

A woman naked in your bed is also more likely to get boned. That has nothing (necessarily) to do with her innate boneability and everything to do with 'well I went to all the trouble of getting her here, might as well.'

And that's the thing with draftees. The more you have invested in them the more likely they are to see the majors. Spent $5 million on that top 10 pick? You're not going to let him languish. Mistakes like that, as a GM, get you fired.

Doesn't mean that player will be a franchise changer, but he's more likely to get the call than the 20th round kid on whom nothing is riding.

JonInMiddleGA · 07-25-2015, 12:24 PM

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On the other hand, if you're moving from Atlanta to Cobb County because the whit--er, I mean, the REAL Braves fans can't be bothered to show up to the games in the current stadium, and it's going to be a couple years before the move actually happens, why would you spend money on the team unless you think this is your window to win in any event?

Because you have a responsibility to at least attempt to field a winning team. This isn't the NBA.

I'm not saying go crazy when there's little reasonable hope but this deal? C'mon. They even sent cash along with the deal to offset a portion of the remaining $3.5 million that was due on contracts that would expire at the end of the year anyway.

This comes in the same week that Chris Johnson asked for a trade since he was unhappy because Uribe had pretty much knocked him out of even a platoon job. So now, what, a disgruntled Johnson is back in the lineup to replace a good clubhouse guy (everything said about Uribe had been strongly positive) . Or maybe they think Pedro Ciriaco is on the verge of a huge breakout?

Johnson was 2nd in homers on this shitty team, Uribe was 4th despite having only been there two months? There's only 8 position players on the roster with a positive OWAR, you just gave away two of them and paid for the privilege of doing so. And let's not even get started on the dumpster fire of a pitching staff. This is not a plan, this is insulting insanity.

Young Drachma · 07-25-2015, 04:06 PM

Makes no sense to tank in baseball. It's not like the NBA or football. Sure draft picks are nice, but there are always guys who end up being more than you bargained for in baseball that end up having trade value. That Houston team is evidence that you can't really tell until the guys on the field start playing.

Tanking or treading water just isn't a great strategy when you have to fill 81 home dates.

Tanking isn't the same as "rebuilding"

frnk55 · 07-25-2015, 05:37 PM

Here we go, 9th inning Cole Hamels has got a no hitter going against the cubs!

JPhillips · 07-25-2015, 05:42 PM

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Here we go, 9th inning Cole Hamels has got a no hitter going against the cubs!

Only no-hitter thrown on 7/25?

Old Hoss Rayburn.

MizzouRah · 07-25-2015, 05:45 PM

His trade value just went sky high.

frnk55 · 07-25-2015, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

His trade value just went sky high.

And soon he will be a Dodger.

MizzouRah · 07-25-2015, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by frnk55

And soon he will be a Dodger.

Watch out for Houston!

stevew · 07-25-2015, 05:54 PM

Hamels to the Yankees makes the most sense. They have high ceiling guys in AAA

EagleFan · 07-25-2015, 06:58 PM

If Amaro is calling the shots for the trade they will be lucky to get a career minor leaguer out of the deal.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 07-25-2015, 10:11 PM

Big comeback win for the Royals. Finally got a win against the Astros and pushed the lead back to 6 1/2 in the division. Found a way to squeak out a win in a pitcher's duel.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 07-26-2015, 08:23 AM

Looks like the Royals are currently the primary suitor for Cueto. Initial trade was cancelled due to physical concerns on a player, but teams are still talking to rework the deal. Was literally so close that the Reds had already warmed up a pitcher just in case to start in place of Cueto.

Reds, Royals scuttle Johnny Cueto trade - MLB Daily Dish

Mizzou B-ball fan · 07-26-2015, 09:31 AM

dola

Awesome stuff yesterday at the K. The PA went out for an hour, leaving no sound for the national anthem. So the sold out crowd just went ahead and did it all themselves.

Royals fans unite to sing national anthem A Capella - KCTV5

JPhillips · 07-26-2015, 11:08 AM

Rosenthal is saying Cueto to Royals is a go.

No word yet on who is going to the Reds.

Scoobz0202 · 07-26-2015, 11:09 AM

Had to be done. Sure was a pleasure being able to watch him pitch over the years. One hell of a pitcher.

lighthousekeeper · 07-26-2015, 11:34 AM

adding cueto should be interesting for the royals. cueto's historically been a better 1st half pitcher. but regardless - it must be fun being a royals fan these days.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 07-26-2015, 11:46 AM

So excited to see Cueto pitch in the K. It'll be a big boost to the team to get him on the roster.

JPhillips · 07-26-2015, 11:53 AM

Hoping for a KC/StL World Series where Cueto gets the last win and kicks a Cardinal for old times sake.

BillJasper · 07-26-2015, 12:47 PM

Wish the Reds would've given Cueto the big deal last year instead of Homer Bailey.

claphamsa · 07-26-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Wish the Reds would've given Cueto the big deal last year instead of Homer Bailey.

bailey got 100M, Cueto has publicly said he wants 200M, and he has health issues, which bailey did not (didnt seem to matter)...

JPhillips · 07-26-2015, 03:56 PM

Yeah, Cueto was going to cost a lot more than Bailey. Leake or Bailey was probably the real choice. (Latos is a apparently a dick that nobody wanted to extend)

It isn't an overwhelming haul, but they basically got three guys that they could have gotten with the sandwich pick, so all in all Walt did pretty well.

Jas_lov · 07-26-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Hamels to the Yankees makes the most sense. They have high ceiling guys in AAA

Doesn't look like they're willing to give up Judge/Severino. The Phillies are probably asking for both and Greg Bird. It'll take a king's ransom to get him.

Danny · 07-26-2015, 06:50 PM

This Mike Trout guy isn't bad. 4 seasons, 4 top 2 MVP finishes with 2 wins (he will win this year as long as he is healthy).

stevew · 07-26-2015, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Doesn't look like they're willing to give up Judge/Severino. The Phillies are probably asking for both and Greg Bird. It'll take a king's ransom to get him.

I'd go both but there's no way I'd trade Bird. His approach at the plate is almost ideal. Judge is a monster of a man(seen them both this year twice)

Butter · 07-27-2015, 06:45 AM

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Had to be done. Sure was a pleasure being able to watch him pitch over the years. One hell of a pitcher.

I remember when they first brought him up, and he looked terrible. Seemed like they brought him up way too soon.

End at today, and here we are.

If only he hadn't pulled something early against the Giants in Game 1 in 2012, I think he shuts them down in Game 4 or 5 and we move onto the NLCS against the Cards, and who knows what from there.

JeeberD · 07-27-2015, 10:06 AM

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Watch out for Houston!

I don't think we'll give up the farm for him, and it sounds like the Phillies asking price is sky high.

BillJasper · 07-27-2015, 10:31 AM

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I don't think we'll give up the farm for him, and it sounds like the Phillies asking price is sky high.

Phillies hold all the cards in any trade. Having him under contract for three more years means they can sit on him until they find an offer that is exactly what they want.

Though I think they won't trade him until MacPhail comes in and hires a new GM during the off-season. Unless they are just blown away by an offer.

MizzouRah · 07-27-2015, 10:53 AM

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I don't think we'll give up the farm for him, and it sounds like the Phillies asking price is sky high.

Someone will give in...

07-23-2015, 10:52 PM	#1202
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Walk off shot for Jose Altuve to cap a sweep of the BoSox. And the Angels lost tonight...thanks, Twins! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

07-24-2015, 09:01 PM	#1215
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Braves still haven't figured out that you really don't gain much in baseball by tanking. Honestly, I don't see me ever getting past this season with the franchise. The utter & complete mismanagement, the attempt (which has failed only due to the ineptitude of a few other franchises) to set up another worst-to-first kind of thing. I get not trying with little to no chanced I guess but but intentionally & mindlessly TRYING to get worse? Fuck them & their new stadium, damned thing ought to sit empty. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

07-25-2015, 04:06 PM	#1225
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Makes no sense to tank in baseball. It's not like the NBA or football. Sure draft picks are nice, but there are always guys who end up being more than you bargained for in baseball that end up having trade value. That Houston team is evidence that you can't really tell until the guys on the field start playing. Tanking or treading water just isn't a great strategy when you have to fill 81 home dates. Tanking isn't the same as "rebuilding" Last edited by Young Drachma : 07-25-2015 at 04:06 PM.

07-25-2015, 06:58 PM	#1232
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	If Amaro is calling the shots for the trade they will be lucky to get a career minor leaguer out of the deal. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

07-26-2015, 11:08 AM	#1236
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Rosenthal is saying Cueto to Royals is a go. No word yet on who is going to the Reds. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

07-23-2015, 10:13 PM	#1201
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	He's 60+ years old and still a better hitter than his offspring I'm guessing.

07-24-2015, 01:46 AM	#1203
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Any Rays fans, or people who have watched a few Rays games around these parts? Was browsing baseball reference today, and noticed a kid named Kevin Kiermaier who plays outfield for the Rays. He's crushing the field in defensive WAR (3.0, 2nd place is 2.4 and no one else is over 2.0). I've never even heard of him. Does he have a cannon for an arm? Tons of outfield assists? What's his deal?

07-24-2015, 03:27 PM	#1207
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Yeah, the 2.4 is Andrelton Simmons, who is as wizardly with the glove as I've seen since The Wizard himself. So the fact that this guy is well above and beyond Simmons in significant playing time is incredible to me.

07-24-2015, 05:13 PM	#1208
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	Reds continue to bumble their salary dumps. Market value just keeps going down. Wish they would get the job done instead of twiddling their thumbs in the hopes of getting better offers. Market value is only going down at this point.

07-24-2015, 05:33 PM	#1210
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	What's the realistic desired return for Bruce?

07-24-2015, 06:27 PM	#1213
Recoil High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GA	“@jonmorosi: #Braves will obtain RHPs Rob Whalen and John Gant from #Mets for J. Uribe and K. Johnson, source confirms @joelsherman1 report. @FOXSports” Welp, this makes the Barves even more unwatchable this year. I like this trade for the Mets, but it's obviously not one that'll put them in definite contention. I'm guessing they'll have to part with some upside pitching if they want to grab an impact bat.

07-25-2015, 12:09 AM	#1219
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	That's the type of trade the Mets should have made in spring training. They'd still be a couple bats away from real contention, but having some decent depth would have this team with a few more wins at this point.

07-25-2015, 01:39 AM	#1220
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	403 Forbidden

07-25-2015, 07:03 AM	#1222
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Cubs just keep blowing games they should have won.... just need a dominant closer and one more TOR type SP and a better hitter then they'd be playoff threats.. but right now, they're still just on the edge of being potentially pretty darn good.

07-25-2015, 05:37 PM	#1226
frnk55 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2006	Here we go, 9th inning Cole Hamels has got a no hitter going against the cubs!

07-25-2015, 05:45 PM	#1228
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	His trade value just went sky high.

07-25-2015, 05:54 PM	#1231
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Hamels to the Yankees makes the most sense. They have high ceiling guys in AAA

07-25-2015, 10:11 PM	#1233
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Big comeback win for the Royals. Finally got a win against the Astros and pushed the lead back to 6 1/2 in the division. Found a way to squeak out a win in a pitcher's duel.

07-26-2015, 08:23 AM	#1234
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Looks like the Royals are currently the primary suitor for Cueto. Initial trade was cancelled due to physical concerns on a player, but teams are still talking to rework the deal. Was literally so close that the Reds had already warmed up a pitcher just in case to start in place of Cueto. Reds, Royals scuttle Johnny Cueto trade - MLB Daily Dish

07-26-2015, 09:31 AM	#1235
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	dola Awesome stuff yesterday at the K. The PA went out for an hour, leaving no sound for the national anthem. So the sold out crowd just went ahead and did it all themselves. Royals fans unite to sing national anthem A Capella - KCTV5

07-26-2015, 11:09 AM	#1237
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Had to be done. Sure was a pleasure being able to watch him pitch over the years. One hell of a pitcher.

07-26-2015, 11:34 AM	#1238
lighthousekeeper College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	adding cueto should be interesting for the royals. cueto's historically been a better 1st half pitcher. but regardless - it must be fun being a royals fan these days. __________________ ...

07-26-2015, 11:46 AM	#1239
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	So excited to see Cueto pitch in the K. It'll be a big boost to the team to get him on the roster.

07-26-2015, 11:53 AM	#1240
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Hoping for a KC/StL World Series where Cueto gets the last win and kicks a Cardinal for old times sake. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

07-26-2015, 12:47 PM	#1241
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	Wish the Reds would've given Cueto the big deal last year instead of Homer Bailey. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

07-26-2015, 03:56 PM	#1243
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Yeah, Cueto was going to cost a lot more than Bailey. Leake or Bailey was probably the real choice. (Latos is a apparently a dick that nobody wanted to extend) It isn't an overwhelming haul, but they basically got three guys that they could have gotten with the sandwich pick, so all in all Walt did pretty well. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

07-26-2015, 06:50 PM	#1245
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	This Mike Trout guy isn't bad. 4 seasons, 4 top 2 MVP finishes with 2 wins (he will win this year as long as he is healthy).

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