The Trump Presidency 2.0

[flere-imsaho]

Hey guys, I just figured something out.

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Reports of Navajo people being detained in immigration sweeps sparks concern from tribal leaders

Originally Posted by Lathum

Where the hell would they be deports to?

Originally Posted by Atocep

The entire Greenland thing is dumb and a waste of time to even speculate about. It's not happening and they'd be stupid to do it.

He's going to send them to Greenland to mine for rare earth minerals.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Edward64

But it is an interesting thought exercise.

Should Denmark consider 2 x GDP for a territory that they'll lose anyways? Does the will of 60,000 Greenlanders > economic windfall of 6M Danes? I know the realities and the answer of today. Would the answer be different say ... pre-WW I maybe?

Edward's here making a case for a return to 19th century geopolitics. The thing about the old days, Edward...

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Edward's here making a case for a return to 19th century geopolitics. The thing about the old days, Edward...

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Not quite return to 19-20th century geopolitics in 2025.

More like what would happen if Trump was pre-WW1 President and wanted to make an offer for Greenland. Would Denmark think differently?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I like the idea of doing a comprehensive review (cost-benefit, pro-con, aligned with our strategic interest etc.) of all our foreign aid. But I wouldn't just stop the aid immediately. Better to set a timetable for each to be reviewed (e.g. 6 months?), some negotiations, and decision made.

It's cute you think anyone in this administration has a concept of a plan other than "tear it all down"

[flere-imsaho]

None of these guys, and I mean this in all seriousness, have the attention span to do a real comprehensive review of foreign aid, or even the federal budget generally.

And let's be clear, they have no intention of doing so anyway, despite what they might say.

[miami_fan]

MSN

I mean technically the Tuskegee Airmen and the WASPs were a part of the DEI programs of that time right? Can't celebrate or honor them. What if we celebrated the achievements of the all white squadrons? How would nonwhites feel about that?

Shameful!

[flere-imsaho]

If Trump's DEI EO on gender at conception means that technically everyone is a female, does this mean Trump is the United States' first female President?

[RainMaker]

Denmark basically lets us do what we want on Greenland anyway. The problem is that the land sucks. We tried to build a bunch of missile stuff back in the day, and it was just too expensive. It's almost all ice, and the land is rough. I know asking these people to read a history book is too much but I still can't get an explanation for what the benefit is there for us.

And incredibly funny to eliminate all foreign aid with the exception of anything Israel wants. I think the word right wingers use is cucked.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Yes. Denmark/Greenland is ready to give/allow US "more" but not Greenland as 51st state; we should take that as a win.

But it is an interesting thought exercise.

Should Denmark consider 2 x GDP for a territory that they'll lose anyways? Does the will of 60,000 Greenlanders > economic windfall of 6M Danes? I know the realities and the answer of today. Would the answer be different say ... pre-WW I maybe?

Insulting an ally by telling to either take the money or get ready to get invaded, that's by no means an "interesting thought exercise".

[GrantDawg]

"On Air Force One from Las Vegas to Miami, President Trump says Palestinians in Gaza should be relocated.

“I’d like Egypt to take people. I’d like Jordan to take people,” he tells reporters.”We just clean out that whole thing.”"

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[Edward64]

Sounds like Bibi put that bug in his ear.

I do wonder how many would leave Gaza for another country if (1) it's voluntary (2) with relocation services other than refugee tents and (3) country is welcoming with ability to build a real future e.g. eventual citizenship.

As a family of 4, I'm pretty sure I would. May have to learn a new language, but that beats this disaster.

[Edward64]

Welcome to the team, puppy-killer.

The Senate confirmed Kristi Noem as secretary of the Department of Homeland Security on Saturday

There are other ways to get rid of a 14 month, supposedly aggressive, untrainable puppy. Shooting it should have been very low on the list.

[Ksyrup]

The Governor of natural disaster-ravaged North Dakota is the perfect leader for the department that is going to get rid of FEMA. 10/10 nomination.

[miked]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Sounds like Bibi put that bug in his ear.

I do wonder how many would leave Gaza for another country if (1) it's voluntary (2) with relocation services other than refugee tents and (3) country is welcoming with ability to build a real future e.g. eventual citizenship.

As a family of 4, I'm pretty sure I would. May have to learn a new language, but that beats this disaster.

Firstly, Jordan and Egypt have refused to take Palestinians in the past, so probably a non-starter. Secondly, the people do not want that, they want Jews to leave and have a theocracy like Iran and similar countries.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

"On Air Force One from Las Vegas to Miami, President Trump says Palestinians in Gaza should be relocated.

“I’d like Egypt to take people. I’d like Jordan to take people,” he tells reporters.”We just clean out that whole thing.”"

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I'd like this quoted on a billboard in Dearborn for the entertainment value.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bronconick

I'd like this quoted on a billboard in Dearborn for the entertainment value.

Whats the expression, FAFO?

[RainMaker]

Being forcibly relocated is horrible but is better than the alternative under Biden/Harris of just being killed. At the very least Trump got them a ceasefire and put a pause on Biden's genocide.

And it didn't take long for you folks to start caring about this stuff again. Along with taking pleasure in innocent people having their lives destroyed. Very normal stuff guys.

[GrantDawg]

Edit: Dammit! Stop feeding the trolls.

[Edward64]

First salvo in Trump's use of tariffs.

Trump strikes back with retaliatory measures against Colombia for rejecting deportation flights | Fox News

President Donald Trump pushed back on Colombian President Gustavo Petro on Sunday after Petro's regime refused to allow U.S. deportation flights to land in his country.
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Trump's says he has ordered a 25% tariff on all goods coming into the U.S. from Colombia, a tariff that will rise to 50% after one week. He also ordered a travel ban and Visa revocations for all Colombian government officials, including their "allies and supporters."

He also ordered enhanced Customs and Border Protection (CBP) inspections of "all Colombian nationals and cargo."

Imports are below. Better stock up on the coffee ...

Agricultural products
Coffee, tea, mate, and spices: A major import in 2023
Agricultural goods: A top commodity sector in 2021

Minerals
Oils and minerals: A top commodity sector in 2021
Mineral fuels, oils, and distillation products: A major import in 2023

Live plants
Live trees, plants, bulbs, roots, and cut flowers: A major import in 2023

Other goods
Lime and cement: A top commodity sector in 2021
Stone, glass, metals, and pearls: A top commodity sector in 2021
Precious stones, metals, coins: A major import in 2023

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Forced recollection is considered genocide, but you only care about genocide when it is convenient for your hatred of Drmocrats.

Of course it is and most people in those areas didn't vote for Trump. But which do you think people prefer? The one where they're forced to move or the one where their kids are burnt alive? Those were the two options available. We know which one you prefer.

I don't get it. You all supported the genocide but are mad that Trump is doing this? Shouldn't you be happy or is there not enough death in this plan?

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Being forcibly relocated is horrible but is better than the alternative under Biden/Harris of just being killed. At the very least Trump got them a ceasefire and put a pause on Biden's genocide.

And it didn't take long for you folks to start caring about this stuff again. Along with taking pleasure in innocent people having their lives destroyed. Very normal stuff guys.

Strawmen strapped to moving goal posts and set on fire. Bravo, RainMaker!

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Strawmen strapped to moving goal posts and set on fire. Bravo, RainMaker!

Didn't vote for Trump. He still ended up being better for Palestinians so far than Biden. Sorry they had to stop killing kids.

[Mota]

When Trump talks "moving" people from Gaza, I'm pretty sure he doesn't care where they go, including into the ground. I'm not sure how you could think of this as the better alternative.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Didn't vote for Trump. He still ended up being better for Palestinians so far than Biden. Sorry they had to stop killing kids.

Took a while, but we all knew this was coming. Next step, full MAGA.

[Ksyrup]

"And they have, essentially, a very large faucet, and you turn the faucet, and it takes one day to turn, and it’s massive ... and you turn that, and all of that water goes aimlessly into the Pacific." POTUS 47
byu/MemorableKidsMoments infacepalm

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Mota

When Trump talks "moving" people from Gaza, I'm pretty sure he doesn't care where they go, including into the ground. I'm not sure how you could think of this as the better alternative.

The alternative is death.

[JPhillips]

Trump Tax starts with a 25% tariff on imports from Colombia.

[RainMaker]

Like you should have waited a few months before pretending to care about Palestinians. Same with the immigration stuff. Kind of looks obvious when you do a full 180 days into his Presidency.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Of course it is and most people in those areas didn't vote for Trump. But which do you think people prefer? The one where they're forced to move or the one where their kids are burnt alive? Those were the two options available. We know which one you prefer.

I don't get it. You all supported the genocide but are mad that Trump is doing this? Shouldn't you be happy or is there not enough death in this plan?

So just to be clear. You are ok with DEGREES of genocide. So it really wasn't about Palestinians (which will die in mass in any forced removal), it has always been about hating Democrats. Got it. Mask off (as if it hasn't long been off).

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump Tax starts with a 25% tariff on imports from Colombia.

Cant speak on the cost of eggs but bananas and coffee about to go up.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The alternative is death.

Mass removal= death. Read a fucking book!

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Like you should have waited a few months before pretending to care about Palestinians. Same with the immigration stuff. Kind of looks obvious when you do a full 180 days into his Presidency.

I have always cared about Palestinians, and do to this day. My position have not changed, whereas you have suddenly become pro-Palestinian removal.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

So just to be clear. You are ok with DEGREES of genocide. So it really wasn't about Palestinians (which will die in mass in any forced removal), it has always been about hating Democrats. Got it. Mask off (as if it hasn't long been off).

I don't support either and didn't vote for either. I do believe forcibly moved is still better than burned alive. Not sure anyone here would choose the latter. Both are terrible and a disgrace to this country.

Trump will be terrible for Palestinians too. He is already grenlighting terrorist attacks in the West Bank and removed sanctions on terrorists. He will ethnically cleanse Gaza so his doofus son in law cam build condos. That is somehow the lesser of two evils which tells you how depraved the position of the Democrats has been.

If you can find any bright side in this whole thing it's that now there will be some actual resistance to our policy in the Middle East. Even if it only lasts till the Democrats take back the White House.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Imports are below. Better stock up on the coffee ...

Nvm, Reddit is reporting Colombia has caved. Don’t have to worry about your fancy Starbucks coffee.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I don't support either and didn't vote for either. I do believe forcibly moved is still better than burned alive. Not sure anyone here would choose the latter. Both are terrible and a disgrace to this country.

Trump will be terrible for Palestinians too. He is already grenlighting terrorist attacks in the West Bank and removed sanctions on terrorists. He will ethnically cleanse Gaza so his doofus son in law cam build condos. That is somehow the lesser of two evils which tells you how depraved the position of the Democrats has been.

If you can find any bright side in this whole thing it's that now there will be some actual resistance to our policy in the Middle East. Even if it only lasts till the Democrats take back the White House.

Palestinians will tell you they would rather die on their own land than die in a camp in a foreign land. That you are so delusional with your hate of Democrats that you can't understands that is really pathetic and quite sad.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Mass removal= death. Read a fucking book!

Literally the position of the Democrats. What are you mad about?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Palestinians will tell you they would rather die on their own land than die in a camp in a foreign land.

An option I wholeheartedly and enthusiastically support them sticking with.

FAFO has consequences.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

An option I wholeheartedly and enthusiastically support them sticking with.

FAFO has consequences.

No amount of tough guy psychopath talk will make you feel better about who you really are. We all know what you're compensating for here. Worst kept secret.

[JPhillips]

The Colombian President sure doesn't sound like he's caving.

Trump, I don't really like travelling to the US, it's a bit boring, but I confess that there are some commendable things. I like going to the black neighbourhoods of Washington, where I saw an entire fight in the US capital between blacks and Latinos with barricades, which seemed like nonsense to me, because they should join together.

I confess that I like Walt Whitman and Paul Simon and Noam Chomsky and Miller

I confess that Sacco and Vanzetti, who have my blood, are memorable in the history of the USA and I follow them. They were murdered by labor leaders with the electric chair, the fascists who are within the USA as well as within my country

I don't like your oil, Trump, you're going to wipe out the human species because of greed. Maybe one day, over a glass of whiskey, which I accept, despite my gastritis, we can talk frankly about this, but it's difficult because you consider me an inferior race and I'm not, nor is any Colombian.

So if you know someone who is stubborn, that's me, period. You can try to carry out a coup with your economic strength and your arrogance, like they did with Allende. But I will die in my law, I resisted torture and I resist you. I don't want slavers next to Colombia, we already had many and we freed ourselves. What I want next to Colombia are lovers of freedom. If you can't accompany me, I'll go elsewhere. Colombia is the heart of the world and you didn't understand that, this is the land of the yellow butterflies, of the beauty of Remedios, but also of the colonels Aureliano Buendía, of which I am one, perhaps the last.

You will kill me, but I will survive in my people, which is before yours, in the Americas. We are peoples of the winds, the mountains, the Caribbean Sea and of freedom.

You don't like our freedom, okay. I don't shake hands with white slavers. I shake hands with the white libertarian heirs of Lincoln and the black and white farm boys of the USA, at whose graves I cried and prayed on a battlefield, which I reached after walking the mountains of Italian Tuscany and after being saved from Covid.

They are the United States and before them I kneel, before no one else.

Overthrow me, President, and the Americas and humanity will respond.

Colombia now stops looking north, looks at the world, our blood comes from the blood of the Caliphate of Cordoba, the civilization of that time, of the Roman Latins of the Mediterranean, the civilization of that time, who founded the republic, democracy in Athens; our blood has the black resistance fighters turned into slaves by you. In Colombia is the first free territory of America, before Washington, of all America, there I take refuge in its African songs.

My land is made up of goldsmiths who worked in the time of the Egyptian pharaohs and of the first artists in the world in Chiribiquete.

You will never rule us. The warrior who rode our lands, shouting freedom, who is called Bolívar, opposes us.

Our people are somewhat fearful, somewhat timid, they are naive and kind, loving, but they will know how to win the Panama Canal, which you took from us with violence. Two hundred heroes from all of Latin America lie in Bocas del Toro, today's Panama, formerly Colombia, which you murdered.

I raise a flag and as Gaitán said, even if it remains alone, it will continue to be raised with the Latin American dignity that is the dignity of America, which your great-grandfather did not know, and mine did, Mr. President, an immigrant in the USA,

Your blockade does not scare me, because Colombia, besides being the country of beauty, is the heart of the world. I know that you love beauty as I do, do not disrespect it and you will give it your sweetness.

FROM TODAY ON, COLOMBIA IS OPEN TO THE ENTIRE WORLD, WITH OPEN ARMS, WE ARE BUILDERS OF FREEDOM, LIFE AND HUMANITY.

I am informed that you impose a 50% tariff on the fruits of our human labor to enter the United States, and I do the same.

Let our people plant corn that was discovered in Colombia and feed the world

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The Colombian President sure doesn't sound like he's caving.

The threat from Trump is he's going to raise prices on coffee and oil. Two things Americans care a lot about. And Colombia can just put a retaliatory tariff in cars and corn.

Still incredibly funny that someone convinced him that McKinley of all people was a model to emulate.

[GrantDawg]

It looks like the idea he has backed down is a misread of what is going on. He is sending his Presidential plane to pick up Colombian citizens that have been dumped in Honduras "in dignity." It is not a back down. It is more just respecting Colombian nationals being used as footballs.

[Lathum]

Trumps insane tariffs and stopping foreign aid is going to drive allies to our enemies. China must be licking their chops. We are so fucked.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Trumps insane tariffs and stopping foreign aid is going to drive allies to our enemies. China must be licking their chops. We are so fucked.

*jingles keys in the direction of Greenland*

Don't look in the other direction where China has surpassed us in cars, phones, social media, AI, energy, and infrastructure.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It looks like the idea he has backed down is a misread of what is going on. He is sending his Presidential plane to pick up Colombian citizens that have been dumped in Honduras "in dignity." It is not a back down. It is more just respecting Colombian nationals being used as footballs.

They're lucky they weren't airdropped like the criminals they are.

[Edward64]

Colombia does have a lot of cocaine so maybe Colombia > Greenland?

Trump Jr may be pushing for that

[JPhillips]

Colombian President:

"We have never refused to take migrants and we have made efforts to stop migration. ... But do not demand that I accept deportees from the US handcuffed and arriving on military flights. We are not anyone's colony."

Seems like an easy solution, but Trump likes the visuals of military flights, so who knows?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Colombian President:



Seems like an easy solution, but Trump likes the visuals of military flights, so who knows?

And the stupidity of it? The military flights are costing hundreds of thousands more than the regular chartered flights they usually use.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And the stupidity of it? The military flights are costing hundreds of thousands more than the regular chartered flights they usually use.

They're also not really deporting any more than the Biden administration was averaging. They're just doing it with more attention and at a higher cost.

Even the highest end of Homan's targeted quotas would be 500k deportations per year and to do that Homan has said they'd need significantly more money from Congress.

[RainMaker]

Has someone told DOGE?

[GrantDawg]

I wonder if this will make Trump rename the District of Columbia? What am I saying. He has no idea that is what DC stands for.