WW LXVII - Heroes (GAME OVER! HEROES WIN!)

[Narcizo]

Just in case some freak occurence means I lose Internet connection tomorrow.

VOTE NFG22

Given the ease with which all this seems to be going down the hyperactive part of my imagination is trying to come up with conspiracy theories about this. Scenarios under which Lathum and NFG are being set up - a wolf somehow getting Lathum to see a fake message - that's something I'd expect the Hana Gittelman to be able to do. But that is even more bizarre than Alan's conspiracy theory.

[Lathum]

Sorry to suck the life from today, I just wanted to get the info out there early since there may be some pretty odd mechanics.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Is voting nightfall an option heiney?

Due to the fact that it's one deadline for day and night actions, no nightfall votes.

[Alan T]

I guess that just leaves us with ketchup porn.

[claphamsa]

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[claphamsa]

[jeheinz72]

I can't resist...and hell, I'm the GM anyhow...

[The Jackal]

Does it make you randy, baby?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Lathum

vote nfg22

Reading through stuff. For a very important reason, I trust Lathum totally.


VOTE nfg22

[st.cronin]

Nice job, heroes. Lets get some vengeance, company!

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Lathum, I wasn't going to reveal my info until something like your reveal came out..

For whatever its worth, I spied on Schmidty last night.. He was very interested in someone that was in an internet cafe checking "email".

I'm assuming that you were the one in the internet cafe, which means Schmidty chose to do something in relations to you last night. No idea what.

Oops, well, I guess you guys know why I trust Lathum now.

[Schmidty]

Nope. I sent in my night action like this before I went home:

Spy on st.cronin if he isn't lynched. Spy on Lathum if he cronin IS lynched.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well.. call it the conspiracy theorist in me here.. but the thought running through my head is this:

1) Schmidty converts Lathum
2) Lathum and them decide that I'm already gunning for NFG, so time to sell him down the river to build trust..
3) Lathum's reveal that seems to have some holes regarding the wolf to wolf PMs.



Like I said though, it might be time for people to stop listening to my hunches.. I'm just giving my thoughts about what happened last night.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am Micah. One of my abilities is every other night I can talk to someones computer and basicly get the last PM they sent.

I spoke to nfg22's, something just didn't feel right about his reveal. Without a direct quote of his PM it basicly said

The GRF plan backfired bigtime, the way things are going it looks like you are on your own.

If this is too close I'm sorry JeHeinze.

I wasn't told who the pm was sent to I was just able to look at a copy of it basicly.

So what was the "GRF plan"? I'm confused

[Alan T]

well.. this is alot less anti-climatic now considering the reveal and all.. Out until later tonight.

I know someone else mentioned it earlier today.. I wonder if its time to bring back up the discussion regarding full role reveals to try to nail Sylar at this point. Assuming NFG is company.. that is 3 down and I figure we're in a real good place...We also have had a good number of us revealed already so the number of people whom haven't revealed yet is getting smaller and smaller. Anyways.. my attempt for conversation today if its a forgone conclusion.

Vote NFG

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

So what was the "GRF plan"? I'm confused

I assume NFG was trying to raise suspicion on you by mentioning that olie felt you were acting weird in PMs, if I recall the argument correctly. In a game where we didn't have much as far as fact, the wolves figured that'd be enough to get you lynched instead of one of their boys.

[Greyroofoo]

i dunno if anyone believes me at the this point,

nfg22 contacted me on day 2 and claimed to have also contacted oliegirl. He also says she says that she had the same power was "assigned" nfg22 and CR.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

i dunno if anyone believes me at the this point,

nfg22 contacted me on day 2 and claimed to have also contacted oliegirl. He also says she says that she had the same power was "assigned" nfg22 and CR.

The point of this NFG thing is that we kind of do believe you, because it looks like NFG was trying to set you up.

However, it could've been a play to try and alienate the two of you so that there wouldn't be much suspicion on you when he dies. But I'm just covering all the bases.

[Greyroofoo]

vote nfg22 since i probably won't be around for the lynch deadline tomorrow

[Greyroofoo]

plus i'm pissed he outed me

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

plus i'm pissed he outed me

actualy AlanT outed you.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

actualy AlanT outed you.

Technically I only outed him if he isn't Sylar and I was right on my guess.. Hoops might have been correct in which case I didn't out anything Or... if NFG really did out him, then that would mean he is Sylar

Anyways, looks like I'm still here for another 10-15 minutes due to work stuff, not that much is going on right now.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by nfg22

ok...Ill throw it out there...

Basically I am the Parkman dad. I never watched the show, I just wikipediad it. As my power I got to pick two peeps to PM. I picked Grey and Oliegirl. Randomly based on the numbers for which they signed up.

It just happens Oliegirl was connected to CR. I knew this because Olie told me.

Now it gets interesting. GRF. He claims to me to have the power to kill one person that votes for him. This to me sounds very much like the Sylar. He also is acting quite suspicious in PM.

There now I am clean and am hiding nothing. I will answer any and all questions...

well this is the post i was referring to with nfg "outing" me.

Note though that I am not Sylar

[hoopsguy]

Easy vote, given the risk/reward.

VOTE NFG22

[hoopsguy]

No kill - seriously, what is Sylar doing?

Possibilities:
Company hit Sylar last night?
Sylar is on his on/off day and was the Day 2 killer?
Conversion?

I'm up for other suggestions.

FWIW, I can't envision Sylar having a conversion ability ... Company, absolutely, but Sylar is a soloist.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

well this is the post i was referring to with nfg "outing" me.

Note though that I am not Sylar

Thank you, that was the post I was looking for.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Thank you, that was the post I was looking for.

what do you mean by that?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I can't resist...and hell, I'm the GM anyhow...

Juicy.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Alan T

well.. this is alot less anti-climatic now considering the reveal and all.. Out until later tonight.

I know someone else mentioned it earlier today.. I wonder if its time to bring back up the discussion regarding full role reveals to try to nail Sylar at this point.

Since several think I'm Sylar I'll reveal that I'm Daniel Linderman. If the Company wants to take me out, so be it.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

No kill - seriously, what is Sylar doing?

Possibilities:
Company hit Sylar last night?
Sylar is on his on/off day and was the Day 2 killer?
Conversion?

I'm up for other suggestions.

FWIW, I can't envision Sylar having a conversion ability ... Company, absolutely, but Sylar is a soloist.

I think te most obvious thing is being missed here.

Since sylar apparently sizes up his targets, why couldn't he be barred from killing until say, day 4 or even later?

Just a thought, but perhaps he hasn't done anything yet is because Heiney made his role that way?

[hoopsguy]

Because Sylar has to be able to live that long in a game with two factions gunning for him. I have a hard time buying this.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Since several think I'm Sylar I'll reveal that I'm Daniel Linderman. If the Company wants to take me out, so be it.

So what have you done with the role up to this point?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Because Sylar has to be able to live that long in a game with two factions gunning for him. I have a hard time buying this.

He's a lone role with no help, and can't be night killed, so the company is zero threat to him.

I don't see how he is truly threatened unless he makes a serious mistake. If he keeps his mouth shut it takes a seer type to nail him at all. Surviving the whole game by going UTR would be a real easy thing to do for sylar.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Lathum

what do you mean by that?

I was looking for the post NFG had made about his connections to olie/GRF, and GRF found it.

[RendeR]

Hrm, 19 players left. I'm assuming at least 2 company men left + sylar. leaving 16 heroes.

If we can build a CoT of at least say...7 we should be able to control the voting every day from here on out.

I have a group that I trust at this point. I think if we can build up a list I'd be willing to agree with a full disclosure movement, I think at this point we have the numbers to manage it.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Hrm, 19 players left. I'm assuming at least 2 company men left + sylar. leaving 16 heroes.

If we can build a CoT of at least say...7 we should be able to control the voting every day from here on out.

I have a group that I trust at this point. I think if we can build up a list I'd be willing to agree with a full disclosure movement, I think at this point we have the numbers to manage it.

We need to have a lot of people agree to full disclosure to make sure it isn't engineered by the remaining wolves.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

We need to have a lot of people agree to full disclosure to make sure it isn't engineered by the remaining wolves.

Definitely. It would have to be damn near an all or nothing I think, but it really depends. If the right group of people that know one another could step up, then it could happen.

perhaps monday.

[DaddyTorgo]

long damn day

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

long damn day

You've been so quiet I forgot you were in the game!

I hate those long days, and I never want to try and read through 5-10 pages after 10-12 hours of work.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

You've been so quiet I forgot you were in the game!

I hate those long days, and I never want to try and read through 5-10 pages after 10-12 hours of work.

yeah. Had a 2 hour meeting this morning and a conference call in the afternoon, and work to do around it (boss cracking the whip) and TBH I woke up wayyyyyyy on the wrong side of the bed so I wasn't really feeling much like trying to skulk around and post while I should be working and getting caught and having to snap at my boss, etc.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

yeah. Had a 2 hour meeting this morning and a conference call in the afternoon, and work to do around it (boss cracking the whip) and TBH I woke up wayyyyyyy on the wrong side of the bed so I wasn't really feeling much like trying to skulk around and post while I should be working and getting caught and having to snap at my boss, etc.

well, good thing it was a runaway day then

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

well, good thing it was a runaway day then

yeah. Works out nicely for me.

well, seems like there's one way to go...hopefully we nail a dirty wolf and make this game even more comfortable.



VOTE NFG

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Hrm, 19 players left. I'm assuming at least 2 company men left + sylar. leaving 16 heroes.

If we can build a CoT of at least say...7 we should be able to control the voting every day from here on out.

I have a group that I trust at this point. I think if we can build up a list I'd be willing to agree with a full disclosure movement, I think at this point we have the numbers to manage it.

Well, the reason I brought it up earlier this afternoon is that I was pretty against a role reveal early in the game because of a few reasons.. I didn't want the company and Sylar knowing who was whom.. but I also didn't see a role reveal helping vs the company.. its only really useful vs Sylar.

now that we've nailed two company members, and appear to be on our way to #3, I feel we're on a good pace with the company right now.. and perhaps we should narrow the noose a bit around Sylar's neck.

The other reason I changed my mind at this point is right now we know of a good number of people whom have revealed and several others (myself included) whom everyone has a pretty good idea of what type of action we have. I'm thinking that this seems like the point I was talking about earlier in the game where mass reveals does start to make sense. If anything it would force Sylar to either do a fake reveal and risk guessing a character that someone else has.. or it traps him without a role to claim.

So it sounds like you're on board with it.. I'm interested to see who else might be.

[The Jackal]

I'm on board as long as we get most people to agree, Monday seems like a good aim, though we should see what happens at night first.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So what have you done with the role up to this point?

Good question to ask here. In the show Linderman was a company guy, and his power is one that I can't really figure out how it would be useful for this game.. So I'll work with the assumption that Linderman isn't bad in this game somehow, but I still am not sure how his power would work in a game like this.

So I'll second Hoops' question here as I'm interested as well.

[Alan T]

We currently have either role name or role information on 10 players and only have 9 players whom we know nothing about. So over 50% are somewhat revealed already anyways.

Some other notes.. we still don't know who has the power of persuasion.. that is out there somewhere.

Mauboy couldn't have killed ntndeacon, but we know little else about him.
Sndvls, Hoopsguy and Alan T couldn't have killed oliegirl.

As far as I know, we know nothing about the following people , their roles or actions:

Claphasma
The Jackal
Render
path12
DaddyTorgo
Mauboy
Neon Chaos
Narcizo
Mr. Wednesday

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Good question to ask here. In the show Linderman was a company guy, and his power is one that I can't really figure out how it would be useful for this game.. So I'll work with the assumption that Linderman isn't bad in this game somehow, but I still am not sure how his power would work in a game like this.

So I'll second Hoops' question here as I'm interested as well.

Well as I stated at the start of the game I don't think his power matches up well with the show. Basically I am a less than 100% BG. I receive no information about who I've protected.

Night 1 - No protection (I forgot we were back to a 24 hour cycle and didn't submit an order)
Night 2 - Protected myself
Night 3 - Don't want to say at this point

[Alan T]

I have a question.. it seems like we have a million people with spy actions...

Thomkal, Sndvls, Schmidty, Alan T.. we also have Lathum who can read people's last PM..

Just from the people whom we do know stuff about, we should be able to fill in more holes here.. Unfortunatly my night 1 information isnt very useful.. and Jeheinz actually changed how my role worked between day 1 and day 2. You'll have to trust me there, and we'll discuss how that was changed later. Basically though my day 1 spy was on Ntn as well, and I just found him deep in thought, when I realized he was dead.

Night 1:

Thomkal spied on Ntndeacon, saw him die nothing else
Sndvls spied on ?
Alan T spied on Ntndeacon, saw him dead.
Schmidty spied on ?
Lathum read whom's PM?


night 2:

Thomkal used his other un-named ability last night
Sndvls spied on Alan T
Alan T spied on Hoopsguy
Schmidty spied on ??
Lathum read whom's PM?

Night 3:

Thomkal spied on ?
Sndvls spied on ?
Alan T spied on Schmidty
Schmidty spied on lathum
Lathum read nfg's PM

If people can help fill this in, it would be great.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well as I stated at the start of the game I don't think his power matches up well with the show. Basically I am a less than 100% BG. I receive no information about who I've protected.

Night 1 - No protection (I forgot we were back to a 24 hour cycle and didn't submit an order)
Night 2 - Protected myself
Night 3 - Don't want to say at this point

You receive no information about whom you protected in the sense of what they did, or whether you were successful? Ie: if you had blocked someone last night, would you have known it?

[Lathum]

Alan, my ability to read pm's is every other night

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Alan T

You receive no information about whom you protected in the sense of what they did, or whether you were successful? Ie: if you had blocked someone last night, would you have known it?

I haven't been successful yet so I can't answer what happens if they attack someone who I'm guarding. However, I've received no info on the people I've guarded so far.