WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN

[Danny]

Ok caught up, I read very little that was worth reading :P

[MrBug708]

As a vanilla villager, what is your take?

[Danny]

I really don't know where to go today. The lack of knowing starting wolves and converts makes vote analysis very tough.

In general I guess I am ok with J23, Thomkal and Mr. Bug as candidate.

I do notice that Mr. Bug is playing loose and he tends to tighten up more when he is a wolf.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Try to put some sort of sketch of the people left out there just to try and organise my thoughts a bit. I need to cut things down to a manageable size because trying to consider everyone is like trying to corral a herd of elephants.

1. CrimsonFox - NTN voter
2. The Jackal - the sort of crap he's pulling suggests he's a villager but one who isn't helping the cause by muddying the waters so much.
3. Danny - NTN voter
4. Autumn - NTN voter.
7. Zinto
8. MrBug708
9. J23 - NTN voter
10. Narcizo - Me
11. Thomkal
14. dzilla77 - claimed Exorcist
15. Raiders Army - NTN voter
16. Chief Rum
17. mckerney - claimed Matyr
18. EagleFan
19. Commo Soldier - NTN voter
20. mauboy1 - NTN voter
21, SnDvls
22. dubb93 - playing very in-your-face if he's a wolf. Unlikely to be a conversion candidate either.
23. hoopsguy - Get's an automatic pass to day three from me.
24. Grammaticus - NTN voter

So we've got Zinto, Bug, Thomkal, Chief, EagleFan and SnDvls I'm thinking of looking at today.

I think this is a good list and I'm about to vote for one of these guys.

[Danny]

Vote Zinto

[Danny]

Zinto has no real positives to his name so far and he usually is more involved and active as a villager. As a wolf (like he did when we were wolves together in the norse game), he sits back more and plays UTR.

[Danny]

Day 1

Dubb 1 - thomkal
NTN 9 - grammaticus, Danny, Commo, bhlloy, mauboy. j23, RaidersArmy, CF, Autumn
Mauboy 4 - hoops, chief rum, Eaglefan, mckerney
J23 6 - zinto, sndvls, saldana, jackal, Lathum, dubb
Bhlloy 1 - ntndeacon
Lathum 1 - narc
crimson fox 1 - mrbug

thomkal votes dubb 83
dzilla votes ntn 84
ntn votes mauboy 88
narc votes mrbug 105
autumn votes J23 116
EF votes danny 117
jackal votes danny 123
bhlloy votes dubb 125
commo votes bhlloy 127
hoops votes mauboy 129
sndvls votes jackal 141
lathum votes danny 142
narc unvotes mrbug 154
narc votes jackal 154
mauboy votes lathum 164
narc unvotes jackal 167
narc votes lathum 167
dubb votes lathum 170
saldana votes dubb 171
saldana unvotes dubb 173
zinto votes J23 178
jackal unvotes danny 199
jackal votes bhlloy 199
J23 votes bhlloy 212
Sndvls unvotes Jackal 213
mckerney votes bhlloy 222
Sndvls votes J23 225
CF votes mauboy 233
grammaticus votes ntn 236
saldana votes J23 242
mrbug votes CF 244
ntn unvotes mauboy 248
ntn votes bhlloy 248
dubb unvotes lathum 249
dubb votes bhlloy 249
mauboy unvotes lathum 250
mauboy votes dubb 250
chief rum votes mauboy 254
((bhlloy reveals as keeper)) 275
bhlloy unvotes dubb 275
bhlloy votes mauboy 275
jackal unvotes bhlloy 281
jackal votes mauboy 283
ef unvotes danny 287
ef votes mauboy 287
jackal unvotes mauboy 296
jackal votes J23 296
danny votes ntn 297
CF unvotes mauboy 306
CF votes J23 306
Lahtum unvotes danny 310
lathum votes J23 310
commo unvotes bhlloy 318
mckerney unvotes bhlloy 329
mckerney votes mauboy 329
commo votes ntn 334
J23 unvotes bhalloy 352
J23 votes mauboy 354
bhlloy unvotes mauboy 357
bhlloy votes ntn 357
mauboy unvotes dubb 361
mauboy votes ntn 361
j23 unvotes mauboy 364
j23 votes ntn 364
dzilla unvotes ntn 377
dubb unvotes bhlloy 386
RA votes ntn 390
CF unvotes J23 393
CF votes ntn 393
dubb votes J23 400
autumn unvotes J23
autumn votes ntn

[Danny]

Day 2

saldana 9 - eaglefan (662) SnDvls (789) mauboy (851) crimsonfox (861) mckerney (874) chief rum (1054) Lathum (1080) jackal (1088) commo (1107)
mckerney 2 - narcizo (645) mrbug (758)
lathum 6 - dubb (660) raiders (794) thomkal (905) danny (1018) hoops (1083) grammaticus (1108)
jackal 5 - autumn (843) saldana (921) dzilla (991) j23 (993) zinto (1095)
autumn 1 -

RA votes Dzilla 568
jackal votes saldana 594
grammaticus votes dzilla 599
lathum votes dubb 601
saldana votes mauboy 602
mauboy votes dubb 611
commo votes dzilla 612
danny votes autumn 634
Narcizo votes mckerney 645
zinto votes jackal 654
dubb votes lathum 660
EF votes saldana 662
autumn votes mckerney 665
sndvls votes dzilla 669
crimsonfox votes saldana 674
danny unvotes autumn 684
hoops votes mckerney 693
zinto unvotes jackal 698
danny votes mrbug 702
saldana unvotes mauboy 710
saldana votes dzilla 710
jackal unvotes saldana 719
jackal votes mckerney 719
RA unvotes dzilla 720
RA votes dzilla 738
jackal unvotes mckerney 742
jackal votes dzilla 742
mckerney votes dzilla 743
CF unvotes saldanda 750
CF votes mrbug 750
danny unvotes mrbug 751
danny votes mckerney 751
danny unvotes mckerney 752
danny votes mrbug 752
((dzilla reveals as exorcist)) 753
mrbug votes mckerney 758
saldana unvotes dzilla 759
saldana votes jackal 759
jackal unvotes dzilla 764
jackal votes bug 764
commo unvotes dzilla 766
commo votes mckerney 766
jackal unvotes mrbug 768
jackal votes lathum 768
mckerney nvotes dzilla 771
mckerney votes mrbug 771
danny unvotes mrbug 772
danny votes lathum 772
grammaticus unvotes dzilla 779
grammaticus votes autumn 779
sndvls unvotes dzilla 789
sndvls votes saldana 789
dzilla votes mckerney 790
RA unvotes dzilla 794
RA votes lathum 794
mauboy unvotes dubb 809
CF unvotes mrbug 820
CF votes autumn 820
CF unvotes autumn 841
autumn unvotes mckerney 843
autumn votes jackal 843
mauboy votes saldana 851
lathum unvotes dubb 860
lathum votes saldana 860
cF votes saldana 861
hoops unvotes mckerney 864
dzilla unvotes mckerney 867
dzilla votes saldana 867
mckerney unvotes mrbug 874
mckerney votes saldana 874
saldana unvotes jackal 894
saldana votes lathum 894
thomkal votes lathum 905
commo unvotes mckerney 908
commo votes jackal 908
saldana unvotes lathum 921
saldana votes jackal 921
hoops votes sndvls 928
dzilla unvotes saldana 933
danny unvotes lathum 938
danny votes sndvls 938
jackal unvotes lathum 945
jackal votes sndvls 945
zinto votes jackal 950
jackal unvotes sndvls 967
jackal votes lathum 967
jackal unvotes lahtum
jackal votes mckerney
jackal unvotes mckerney
jackal votes saldana
jackal unvotes saldana
jackal votes lathum
jackal unvotes lathum 980
jackal votes saldana 980
dzilla votes jackal 991
J23 votes jackal 993
jackal unvotes saldana 1000
jackal votes lathum 1000
lathum unvotes saldana 1012
lathum votes jackal 1012
danny unvotes sndvls 1018
danny votes lathum 1018
lathum unvotes jackal 1022
lathum votes saldana 1022
lathum unvotes saldana 1023
lathum votes jackal 1023
chief votes saldana 1054
jackal unvotes lathum 1063
jackal votes saldana 1063
jackal unvotes saldana 1066
jackal votes lathum 1066
lathum unvotes jackal 1080
lathum votes saldana 1080
zinto unvotes jackal 1082
zinto votes lathum 1082
hoops uvnotes sndvls 1083
hoops votes lathum 1083
jackal unvotes lathum 1088
jckal votes saldana 1088
zinto unvotes lathum 1095
zinto votes jackal 1095
commo unvotes jackal 1107
commo votes saldana 1107
grammaticus unvotes autumn 1108
grammaticus votes lathum 1108

[Danny]

Looking at the votes, I feel very comfortable with my Zinto vote right now

[MrBug708]

Are we assuming that every single NTN voter is a villager? Or just assuming that it would be too hard to figure out which is a wolf and which isn't and putting that on the backburner for now?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Are we assuming that every single NTN voter is a villager? Or just assuming that it would be too hard to figure out which is a wolf and which isn't and putting that on the backburner for now?

We are not assuming anything, but we want to go with the highest % chance which is likely not with an ntn voter.

[Danny]

Where is my partner in crime (posting)? Is he still sleeping?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'd like to at the very least hear from bug, who left his vote on mckerney. Possible he wasn't able to check into the thread and/or saw the ridiculous amount of pages to catch up on.

VOTE BUG

actually he DID check in and he DID post, just nothing useful. NO vote change. That's the point.

[Danny]

Zinto, Sndvls, Dubb & Jackal are the four alive players left on J23. I'd be willing to bet there is at least one wolf in that group of five (with J23 potentially being the wolf). I really doubt it is Dubb and I don't think it is Jackal.

[Danny]

There you are! We have our work cut out for us today.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

actually he DID check in and he DID post, just nothing useful. NO vote change. That's the point.

So as a wolf, I figured it would be better to not switch it and think it would construed as a "non-wolf" action and thus get away from it?

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Danny

Zinto, Sndvls, Dubb & Jackal are the four alive players left on J23. I'd be willing to bet there is at least one wolf in that group of five (with J23 potentially being the wolf). I really doubt it is Dubb and I don't think it is Jackal.

I doubt it's Jackal either

[Danny]

The more he posts, the more I am ok with a Mr. Bug vote as well.

[EagleFan]

At least there was only a couple pages since this morning. Was worried that I would have about 500 posts to read through (though I still haven't caught up with yesterday).

At this point I have only gut feeling to go on as I haven't been involved enough in the game (which I apologize for).

I am fine with being a candidate as at the worst you lose nothing with my lynch but may gain some more vote history.

One person pings me at the moment and that is right where my vote is. His post this morning just looked too much like a wolf trying to setup an out for himself. Additionally, his logic for voting him made no sense. Just because he voted for both players that were lynched really only is something to go on if both players lynched were villagers (and that is still shaky at this point in the game).

I will be relatively inactive tonight most likely. With the Phillies playing and add to that that I will also be running the next few rounds of the ELB draft.

Off topic: CF, you're up in that last I saw on the forum.

[CrimsonFox]

well...you could look at it that way or look at it as Jackal and I keep bringing up his name so he figures he'd better start talking.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

well...you could look at it that way or look at it as Jackal and I keep bringing up his name so he figures he'd better start talking.

Oh I misread you post, Danny. I thought you said "the more I am okay with MrBug".

[Commo_Soldier]

Ugh, I really hate posting from phones, after losing a longer post this is going to be short. Looking forward to a for day weekend starting friday though. Long story short, after looking at voting history danny posted

vote zinto

Will not be on a computer until after deadline due to an NBDA meeting, but will be checking phone.

[dzilla77]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

If there is no possession, then there probably would not be an exorcist role.

I think certain bad guys might be possessed, but I am not certain that a good character can be converted by possession.

[dzilla77]

Originally Posted by Danny

Not to be mean, but why would you choose Lathum?

His late reveal seemed possibly wolfish. Any other person to me would have been an even bigger shot in the dark. My power only works on someone who is possessed so I could hit a certain type of bad guy and not affect them (as I understand it).

Like I said, I am open to suggestions for tonights attempt.

[SnDvls]

what are the chances we have two ministers? I ask because I recall someone else hinted at that role before lathum revealed waaaaaay early in the thread. I think that is where my vote is going.....gonna recheck it now.

unvote eaglefan

[Danny]

Originally Posted by dzilla77

His late reveal seemed possibly wolfish. Any other person to me would have been an even bigger shot in the dark. My power only works on someone who is possessed so I could hit a certain type of bad guy and not affect them (as I understand it).

Like I said, I am open to suggestions for tonights attempt.

You probably left before additional discussion about Lathum likely telling the truth too.

[dzilla77]

Originally Posted by Danny

You probably left before additional discussion about Lathum likely telling the truth too.

Yeah, I put my order in not long after Abe posted the lynch and then went to bed.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

what are the chances we have two ministers? I ask because I recall someone else hinted at that role before lathum revealed waaaaaay early in the thread. I think that is where my vote is going.....gonna recheck it now.

nevermind found it....it was Crimsonfox playing funny.

[CrimsonFox]

Okay people keep asking me why I'm voting for bug so I dug. He was on my list of 5 people with 10 or less posts as I was just wanting the utr people to comment more so we can at least see what they thought (and how they would respond). Maybe looking at all of these together will change my mind, but many of his actions I find highly questionable.

Here are all of his posts up to yesterday.

The check in posts.

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Hi

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think my item is fairly worthless

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Well, re-reading the directions, maybe it's not so bad

His "joke vote" on me.

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Just got back from subbing

Vote Crimson Fox

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Dola

That's for converting me in Chubby's game

Nothing else that day. Nor a "real " vote.

Next Morning. "yays about ntn and agreeing"

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Just checking in, got tied up at class last night. Working on my Masters Action research project. Glad we got NTN

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I dont have much to add. But I think Autumn's list of people who switched votes and avoided ntn originally, is a good list of candidates.

Why am I always on your radar?

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Admittedly, I hate the first few days of werewolf because voting people off randomly seems so...mean

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Vote - McKerney

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Just waiting on the undead hand to smack you

around 4 pm

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I dont think I've ever had so many unvotes before

Comes back later and...

Originally Posted by MrBug708

*tap tap tap*

Does not change his vote off mckerney.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

nevermind found it....it was Crimsonfox playing funny.

I am vanilla with an object I don't know how to use. I'm not sure what you thought was hinting but perhaps I was RPing a little.

Interesting thought about twice the ministers. Have never seen anything like that. Did Abe say their might be duplicates? I doubt it otherwise. Nice game idea tho.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by dzilla77

I think certain bad guys might be possessed, but I am not certain that a good character can be converted by possession.

I think hoops is a prime candidate to exorcize. dubb too I think.


The other end of the spectrum is picking a random quiet guy : sndvls, zinto, etc. which are also candidates for original wolves too really.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Off topic: CF, you're up in that last I saw on the forum.

okay I'll go on over and check. Do my posting for me while I'm gone from here.

[MrBug708]

Sweet CF, but it has little context other than I occasionally posted. Times would help, especially with when roles were revealed.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I am vanilla with an object I don't know how to use. I'm not sure what you thought was hinting but perhaps I was RPing a little.

Interesting thought about twice the ministers. Have never seen anything like that. Did Abe say their might be duplicates? I doubt it otherwise. Nice game idea tho.

you talked about kneeling in the church or something like that....I took it initinally as a brief and suttle hint as minister, but rereading it again it appears you were more talking about a lightbringer role vs. the specific role...again nothing there, but I did remember/note it....back on like page 2 or 3

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Sweet CF, but it has little context other than I occasionally posted. Times would help, especially with when roles were revealed.

mckerney revealed on post 836 you posted the tap thing on 913 FYI

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

mckerney revealed on post 836 you posted the tap thing on 913 FYI

sorry you posted in 914 the tapping thing

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

. Did Abe say their might be duplicates? I doubt it otherwise. Nice game idea tho.

yes he did ....from the rules

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Not all Servants may be able to pm each other. There are no hidden Lightbringer roles beyond the Exorcized. There may be more than one of each role. When they are killed, Servants of the Red Death will have both their title and their role and abilities posted in the thread. You are experienced enough that you know what a creature is and all about it.

bolded mine

[dzilla77]

Oh, somebody passed me an object last night. I don't know who and I am not sure I have a clue how to use it (wasn't in the last game so if I should know from then, I don't).

Just acknowledginng it for transparencies sake.

[MrBug708]

The bad part is that I still couldn't tell you what role Mckerny has. I'd need to flip back or wait for someone to list the roles

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

The bad part is that I still couldn't tell you what role Mckerny has. I'd need to flip back or wait for someone to list the roles

he stated it in his post. then it was restated several times by others....multiple times as more people came in for the night for vote counts etc.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

he stated it in his post. then it was restated several times by others....multiple times as more people came in for the night for vote counts etc.

Let me clarify. I now know that he had revealed his role. I had to go back and look right now to actually see what his role was. I either didn't read his post at all or just glossed over it.

[dzilla77]

Actually gonna be out for a couple of hours. Should be back by eightish.

I am interested in people's thoughts on who I should exorcise tonight.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I think hoops is a prime candidate to exorcize. dubb too I think.


The other end of the spectrum is picking a random quiet guy : sndvls, zinto, etc. which are also candidates for original wolves too really.

I think I am a poor choice to be exorcised. Now that I say this it is almost a guarantee I will be but it will be a wasted night action.

Hoops should be exorcised ASAP. But keep in mind items are out there that can stop an exorcism. If the exorcist thinks he has a wolf he needs to hit the same target on multiple nights to be sure.

[dubb93]

Also the item is destroyed during the failed exorcism. The exorcist isn't aware that anything fishy happened either.

[hoopsguy]

dzilla, if it makes you feel better come after me. But unless they convert me tonight, and you act after them, you'll find a Lightbringer.

Danny, Dubb, Narcizo, and CrimsonFox are probably good candidates - either volume or high analysis posters in most games. Normally I would put Chief Rum in there, but he was converted last game and that might deter someone from making him the first convert in this one.

No idea how much I'll be around tonight, been stuck on a tech support call all day that is heading into the evening now. I'll drop another vote on Zinto now since I see he has votes and he is on list I asked about yesterday. Subject to change if I get time to spend in the thread, as always ...

VOTE ZINTO

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Sweet CF, but it has little context other than I occasionally posted. Times would help, especially with when roles were revealed.

You mean the things where I say "around 4 pm" and "next morning"? Those things? Just sayin.

[J23]

Vote MrBug

I'm ok with either him and Zinto for tonight.

[Autumn]

okay caught up. I was expecting pages and pages. I won't be on again for a while, probably, but don't see anything new going on. Check back in later.

[Autumn]

CF votes Mrbug 1209
Thomkal votes mauboy 1239
EF votes thomkal 1241
jackal votes mrbug 1244
thomkal unvotes mauboy 1255
autumn votes J23 1264
sndvls votes EF 1266
narc votes EF 1271
danny votes zinto 1305
commo votes zinto 1322
sndvls unvotes EF 1325
hoops votes zinto 1345
J23 votes mrbug 1347


MrBug - CF, Jackal, J23
Mauboy -
Thomkal - EF
J23 - Autumn
EF - Narcizo
zinto - danny, commo, hoops

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

dzilla, if it makes you feel better come after me. But unless they convert me tonight, and you act after them, you'll find a Lightbringer.

Danny, Dubb, Narcizo, and CrimsonFox are probably good candidates - either volume or high analysis posters in most games. Normally I would put Chief Rum in there, but he was converted last game and that might deter someone from making him the first convert in this one.

Good thoughts hoops. I would add raiders to that list too actually. He was obviously a villager day 1 with his vote. Danny and I both good targets. (although I did not get converted but you don't really know that).

As for dubb and narcizo. I think narcizo has the possibility of being an original wolf not a convert. dubb I think could be either. Although his playstyle does suggest villager.
I'm still not familiar enough with him to know what he acts like as a wolf comparitively.