Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty as a target last night surprises me, unless one of the killers thought they could get a decent amount of money from him to help their cause in some fashion.

[Lorena]

I'm glad I decided to go to the opium den, hopefully I witnessed something.

[hoopsguy]

No PM yet, but with fog and being in a different district than the murders I'm not all that hopeful of quality info today.

[Raiders Army]

I think Hyde murdered Schmidty.

Let's see where this gets us:

Night 1, Hyde murders SnDvls at Whitechapel.
Night 2, Hyde murders Fouts at Whitechapel.
Night 3, Hyde murders Schmidty at Commerical.

He changed his hunting ground last night. If anyone knows who might be a suspect for these locations, it might be prudent to start there.

[hoopsguy]

Have the nights flip-flopped on Fouts/SnDvls - not sure that matters but might as well be correct.

[Raiders Army]

As far as the Werewolf is concerned, we know he killed on Night 2 (Tyrith) in Commercial. That's it.

Do we think Swaggs is the guy who killed Tyrith? If so, then that makes him the Werewolf. I need to look over the thread to come to some conclusions.

[Raiders Army]

Thanks hoops, I read my notes wrongly. Fixed below.

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I think Hyde murdered Schmidty.

Let's see where this gets us:

Night 1, Hyde murders Fouts at Whitechapel.
Night 2, Hyde murders SnDvls at Whitechapel.
Night 3, Hyde murders Schmidty at Commerical.

He changed his hunting ground last night. If anyone knows who might be a suspect for these locations, it might be prudent to start there.

[hoopsguy]

Again, pretty sure Tyrith died on Night 1. Defintely was Commercial, which was where he lived (personal info revealed in prostitute/john relationship).

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

No PM yet, but with fog and being in a different district than the murders I'm not all that hopeful of quality info today.

Yeah, I was considering staying home, but all this talk about opium peaked my curiosity and wanted to get high instead of getting laid. Hopefully I have some sort of meaningful vision.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Yeah, I was considering staying home, but all this talk about opium peaked my curiosity and wanted to get high instead of getting laid. Hopefully I have some sort of meaningful vision.

Attitudes like that make it hard to earn a living in this town. Well, that and the multiple homicidal maniacs running around ...

[Lorena]

Well, that was a waste of money. I dreamt I was Godzilla and ate Queen Victoria and every Londoner looked Japanese.

And, again, I was robbed... little stinkers.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Again, pretty sure Tyrith died on Night 1. Defintely was Commercial, which was where he lived (personal info revealed in prostitute/john relationship).

Bah! I don't have days on my stuff, so the same mistake was made there as well. *grumble*

Well, that's a little more interesting there. The WW struck on Night 1, but didn't on Night 2 or 3. I wonder why...

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Attitudes like that make it hard to earn a living in this town. Well, that and the multiple homicidal maniacs running around ...

Haha.

I should have used my hard earned money on a whore instead, you're right. I was curious, what do you guys do with that money? Ya'll get hired at least once a night I'm assuming but we've yet to know what that money is used for.

[Lorena]

Sorry RA, too many slip ups for my taste.

Vote Raiders Army

[hoopsguy]

We actually lose money each night on expenses, so it is important for us to collect those 5 shillings on some kind of a regular basis to avoid starving.

[hoopsguy]

Total wasted evening - no one was in Bishopsgate last night! I saw no one at all; maybe fog, maybe others choosing different locations.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Sorry RA, too many slip ups for my taste.

Vote Raiders Army

What slip ups? If the fact that my notes were wrong on which day each guy died (and I was consistent with the two (i.e., Day 2 vs. Day 1)) makes you think I "slipped up" because I'm a baddie, then it's very curious that you would vote for me.

I'm out for the morning in a few minutes, but like yesterday I'll throw this vote out there:

VOTE LONESTAR GIRL.

[Raiders Army]

Oh yeah, even though you might be popping off my trusted list soon, DC, I don't want to send anyone (cough, Blade, cough) off on you because you voted for me. I'd prefer to stick to the guys that haven't been vouched for in the game at all yet. To my knowledge, those two are Lonestar Girl and Swaggs (who's in jail).

[Swaggs]

Interesting evening for me.

I think/hope there are now some folks who can vouch for and hopefully they learned enough to clear me altogether.

I will be back in the afternoon and have some more time to play.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

As far as the Werewolf is concerned, we know he killed on Night 2 (Tyrith) in Commercial. That's it.

Do we think Swaggs is the guy who killed Tyrith? If so, then that makes him the Werewolf. I need to look over the thread to come to some conclusions.

Theory on the WW. Let's postulate a theory. Let's say these are a given:

He killed on Night 1 (not Night 2 above).
The WW is not someone vouched for on Night 1.


If we make the assumption that he can kill every other night, why wouldn't he kill on Night 3?

There are three possibilities in my mind:

1. He was in jail (who might be Swaggs?)
2. His target was in jail (who might be Swaggs?)
3. He was blocked by the bodyguard

Are there any other possibilities out there?

[hoopsguy]

He has a conversion power? Think that would be another possibility. But if we started with four bad guys who can independently kill I have it lower on the list.

Knowing order of actions would make it easier to consider Swaggs possibilities. Do people think there is any significance to the Swaggs arrest being listed last?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I think Hyde murdered Schmidty.

Let's see where this gets us:

Night 1, Hyde murders Fouts at Whitechapel.
Night 2, Hyde murders SnDvls at Whitechapel.
Night 3, Hyde murders Schmidty at Commerical.

He changed his hunting ground last night. If anyone knows who might be a suspect for these locations, it might be prudent to start there.

VOTE SALDANA

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

He has a conversion power? Think that would be another possibility. But if we started with four bad guys who can independently kill I have it lower on the list.

Knowing order of actions would make it easier to consider Swaggs possibilities. Do people think there is any significance to the Swaggs arrest being listed last?

In a way, I find it doubtful that he would have a conversion power. I think that we would've heard something in a night description to indicate as such. Also, I think it would imbalance the game towards the baddies. You've GMed a game so you might have more insight into the latter point.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Bah! I don't have days on my stuff, so the same mistake was made there as well. *grumble*

Well, that's a little more interesting there. The WW struck on Night 1, but didn't on Night 2 or 3. I wonder why...

I don't want yesterday repeating itself.

Unvote Raiders Army

I'll be off a few hours, I need some rest.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, is the vote for Saldana event-driven (night PM) or gut-driven?

[Raiders Army]

I'm gone for the morning. I will be back during lunch.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, is the vote for Saldana event-driven (night PM) or gut-driven?

Event

[Blade6119]

And VOTE NO LYNCH SWAGGS

[st.cronin]

Swaggs, do you know who can vouch for you, or do you just know somebody can?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Swaggs, do you know who can vouch for you, or do you just know somebody can?

Can swaggs talk? I dont think izulde could while in prison, so i wouldnt expect swaggs to be able to either

[st.cronin]

I thought Izulde simply wasn't allowed to vote. Swaggs has already posted at least once.

I'm also pretty surprised by the Schmidty kill, as I think most of us could have been talked into lynching him.

[Barkeep49]

I was hoping to find out something about Schmidty's murder, as I was in commercial last night, but I found out zilch even though I was close by.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I was hoping to find out something about Schmidty's murder, as I was in commercial last night, but I found out zilch even though I was close by.

You don't need to worry, i learned all we need to know about schmidty's killer

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You don't need to worry, i learned all we need to know about schmidty's killer

Fine then. Seems silly to quibble, though why you wouldn't come out with details I fail to understand.

Vote saldana

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Fine then. Seems silly to quibble, though why you wouldn't come out with details I fail to understand.

Vote saldana

Id like to salvage any chance i have of surviving the night, especially now that mr. w has passed and he was my strongest ally, both during the day and at night.

[hoopsguy]

I'll grab some popcorn and wait for the showdown, I guess ...

[hoopsguy]

Blade, do you have any information on how MrW's role worked? It sounds like you interacted with him earlier in the game.

[Tyrith]

*ghost form*

I demand BLOOD in revenge my for my death!

...feel free to sacrifice blade or something if you can't find who you think the real killer is. I'm just kind of vengeful in general.

*ghost fades*

[NOTE: This post is totally OOC and irrelevant to the game.]

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'll grab some popcorn and wait for the showdown, I guess ...

I wont be around for the next 3-4 hours, but i can tell you 100% that you should vote for saldana and you should free swaggs. Im willing to swear on the WW bible for both.

And whoever bid for the urchin last night bid a lot, so i think it was saldana, which also means bad guys can take actions we have been clearing people for. I just know i bid 10 and was rejected, so someone bid more. Saldana said he would bid 13, so if he did we can like i suspected no longer trust the customers of the prostitutes either.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, do you have any information on how MrW's role worked? It sounds like you interacted with him earlier in the game.

We had 0 information, but i figured out his role after night 1. He figured out mine after seeing me on night 1. We both protected pieces of info about the other, but we did not interact. We just happened to notice things we didnt feel important to share as they would have given away each others role. I believe he also witnessed me on night 2, which further gave him trust in me, and due to his not giving me up my trust in him increased as well. We never directly interacted, but we had enough times where one saw the other do something for us to trust each other and know what role the other possessed

[hoopsguy]

Blade, at this point in time you feel it doesn't make sense for you to comment on either piece of information you have - about Swaggs or Saldana?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, at this point in time you feel it doesn't make sense for you to comment on either piece of information you have - about Swaggs or Saldana?

Im not sure how much my role still remains hidden...i think it depends on who everyone believes me to truly be, and if i have any chance of making it through the night alive.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so how about pre-emptively sharing who you believe may have interacted with you last night? That should help provide a list of people who could support your story before someone else comes in to try and muddy the waters.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, so how about pre-emptively sharing who you believe may have interacted with you last night? That should help provide a list of people who could support your story before someone else comes in to try and muddy the waters.

The person i interacted with last night is now in prison, and im not sure if he can talk in my defense or not. You saw me on night 2 interact with schmidty, and he turned up good. So you can assume i wasnt converting him. Therefore, when i say swaggs is good and saldana bad, you should prob. trust me.

[hoopsguy]

The frustrating part is that both of the people you have interacted with at night (Schmidty and Swaggs) have not been available - for different reasons - to comment on this.

I feel like I know what role you might have, but some of your comments earlier in the game when you said you would reveal the name of your role - and that it might seem damaging - have me concerned that I'm assigning you something incorrectly.

If you have the role I think you have then it would be pretty tough for Saldana to put up an argument that I would accept.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The frustrating part is that both of the people you have interacted with at night (Schmidty and Swaggs) have not been available - for different reasons - to comment on this.

I feel like I know what role you might have, but some of your comments earlier in the game when you said you would reveal the name of your role - and that it might seem damaging - have me concerned that I'm assigning you something incorrectly.

If you have the role I think you have then it would be pretty tough for Saldana to put up an argument that I would accept.

I lied about my role i claimed, that much is clear. I dont have to bid 10 gold, and i dont make 2 gold per night. So it could go to reason that i lied about the title too, no?

It doesnt help me that everyone i talk with has died or been arrested, and that includes night 1. Think back to yesterday..Mr. W trusted me and knew my role..how would mr. w know the role i claimed. Think here hoops, has blade ever done fake role reveals to cover his real role? I cant hint much more then this, and likely this is too much.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Just want to say, good luck folks.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, the challenge with you basically comes down to determining what team you are lying for

Seriously, I have thought through what you are talking about in the last post already. But at this point I'll sit back and wait to see how Saldana and others respond to this. If I had to cast a vote this moment I would follow your lead. But I don't, so I'll wait for more info to process before doing so.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - I don't just mean the challenge this game but the challenge most games.

And I do not mean it as a slam, as I'm all for revealing partial information, with a good-guy lie thrown in from time to time if it is likely to further the cause.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, the challenge with you basically comes down to determining what team you are lying for

Seriously, I have thought through what you are talking about in the last post already. But at this point I'll sit back and wait to see how Saldana and others respond to this. If I had to cast a vote this moment I would follow your lead. But I don't, so I'll wait for more info to process before doing so.

What more info do you expect? Saldana will likely claim to have hired the urchin, will likely now lie about it incriminating me somehow, and it will come down to he said she said. I had the complete trust of our Town Watchman, you have seen me interact with players who have since turned up good, and i have put my neck on the line and in the limelight three times, with the urchin, alans lynch, and to some extent lathums lynch. A bad guy wouldnt make all those moves, but i have to go like i said for a few hours. I hope you understand.

Oh, and now you understand why it was pissing me off you kept pushing about what the meeting with schmidty was about, and mr. w and i kept telling you to shut up. Sharing what happened would have given me and my role up, and i would have died last night. Instead, i can clear the person now in prison and damn saldana as mr. hyde.