Mixed Martial Arts Thread (UFC and others) - Page 27

MacroGuru · 11-22-2009, 12:47 AM

I missed what Tito said to get the crowd booing. Also, why did he have a black eye?

DeToxRox · 11-22-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

I missed what Tito said to get the crowd booing. Also, why did he have a black eye?

Tito said he had a bulging disc which started the boo's then I cracked or factured skull to explain the black eye.

AlexB · 11-22-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I have never seen Koscheck fight, why is he hated by the crowd?

Beacuse he is an ass

AlexB · 11-22-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Calis

Most of the hatred comes from his time on TUF when he came across as a pretty stereotypical jock asshole. He has milked that ever since.

Guy is a solid fighter though, and I still can't believe why Rumble was actually favored in that fight.

To be honest though, what he said was pretty accurate and I'd rather see Koscheck vs. Hardy then Hardy vs. GSP, but you have to throw someone to the slaughter, so it might as well be Hardy.

Even though he was caught with an illegal shot (which I think put his bicep into his eye and that caused the damage FWIW), and is right about Dan Hardy not really having deserved a shot, Koscheck still comes across like a twat.

DeToxRox · 11-22-2009, 11:09 AM

Tito is pleading to Dana to let he and Forrest coach TUF 11. It makes sense. It'd be two coaches who have strong followings and good personalities for that kind of show, and it'd lead to a rubber match which I think would be another solid fight.

MacroGuru · 11-22-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Tito is pleading to Dana to let he and Forrest coach TUF 11. It makes sense. It'd be two coaches who have strong followings and good personalities for that kind of show, and it'd lead to a rubber match which I think would be another solid fight.

I would be on board for that.

judicial clerk · 11-22-2009, 01:19 PM

They actually were both pretty good coaches as I remember. That said I would like to see some new guys coach

BYU 14 · 11-22-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by judicial clerk

They actually were both pretty good coaches as I remember. That said I would like to see some new guys coach

I would love Forrest and Tito as coaches as well, but I do agree here. UFC needs to build some of their younger fighters, Couture V Coleman type fights are not going to cut it, especially if Strikeforce can get some momentum going with some solid shows.

Dana needs to expose the personalities of some of his up and comers so the fans can get to know more about them and start to "bond" with them. Carwin and Velesquez would have made a good pairing if Carwin was not injured. Hardy and Koschek or Hardy and Fitch might be good pairings down the road or Gray Maynard /Kenny Florian.

DeToxRox · 11-22-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

I would love Forrest and Tito as coaches as well, but I do agree here. UFC needs to build some of their younger fighters, Couture V Coleman type fights are not going to cut it, especially if Strikeforce can get some momentum going with some solid shows.

Dana needs to expose the personalities of some of his up and comers so the fans can get to know more about them and start to "bond" with them. Carwin and Velesquez would have made a good pairing if Carwin was not injured. Hardy and Koschek or Hardy and Fitch might be good pairings down the road or Gray Maynard /Kenny Florian.

Agreed with Hardy and Koschek. I told my buddy that last night. It'd be a lot of fun to hear those two talk shit to each other.

I heard rumors that Jake Shields will be coming to UFC and do TUF 12 vs GSP. Interesting rumor to be sure.

sovereignstar · 11-22-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

Just ordered 106 to watch tonight...My 9 year old has been getting into watching it and asking about the moves and styles over the past year with me.

He currently practices Capoeira and we found an MMA center near us I might get him into for the training so when he gets older if he wants to continue he can.

Dude, you let your 9-year old watch UFC?

DeToxRox · 11-25-2009, 07:02 PM

108 might be the hardest hit MMA show ever.

Now Gonzaga is reported to be out with a staph infection of his own. I was looking forward to he vs Dos Santos. Now I wonder if they do Cain vs JDS? I dunno how I feel though because the winner would be #1 contender, but it risks killing off one of your bright young HW's.

Just a bad situation.

MacroGuru · 11-25-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Dude, you let your 9-year old watch UFC?

Yeah, I am training the next serial killer.

My son has been in Capoeira for years and is into learning different styles. To me, I don't see how it is any worse than letting them watch boxing. I have several friends that started amateur boxing at 9 and 10 and were constantly training and watching the fights and they have turned out just fine.

cartman · 11-25-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Dude, you let your 9-year old watch UFC?

My cousin has a 3 year old. We rough house with him, wrap him up and make him "tap out". It is hilarious.

At least we thought so until his pre-school teacher called my cousin in a panic asked asked what "tap out" meant. Evidently he was sitting on his classmates and saying "tap out... TAP OUT!!!"

Another time we had a game that was dealing with shapes. There were squares, triangles, and circles. Then we came across a hexagon. I thought this might have been a little advanced for him, so I explained this was a hexagon, and had 6 sides. He said matter-of-factly "No, Greg. That's an octagon." My cousin said he answered that because he lets him watch UFC.

So I guess it all evens out.

cartman · 11-25-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

My son has been in Capoeira for years and is into learning different styles.

I didn't think anyone else knew what capoeira was! A guy that lives a couple of doors down from me was the capoeira world champion a few years back.

MacroGuru · 11-25-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I didn't think anyone else knew what capoeira was! A guy that lives a couple of doors down from me was the capoeira world champion a few years back.

Yeah both my daughter and son play Capoeira and they love it! I tried it and my body couldn't take it (actually I claimed old age, but it is an amazing exercise) and I love watching a Roda or a Batizado, it's just amazing with the talent this style produces.

cartman · 11-25-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MacroGuru

Yeah both my daughter and son play Capoeira and they love it! I tried it and my body couldn't take it (actually I claimed old age, but it is an amazing exercise) and I love watching a Roda or a Batizado, it's just amazing with the talent this style produces.

Yeah, when I watched Rodrigo do a demonstration, it seemed almost like more of a dance than a way of fighting.

dervack · 11-25-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

108 might be the hardest hit MMA show ever.

Now Gonzaga is reported to be out with a staph infection of his own. I was looking forward to he vs Dos Santos. Now I wonder if they do Cain vs JDS? I dunno how I feel though because the winner would be #1 contender, but it risks killing off one of your bright young HW's.

Just a bad situation.

And dos Santos train with Big Nog, so I'm sure its just a matter of time before he gets a staph infection too.

DeToxRox · 11-26-2009, 10:42 AM

Sounds like Big Nog and Cain are gonna fight at 109 now. I sure fucking hope so. Miller vs Maiea, Trigg vs Serra, Coleman vs Randy, Nog vs Cain and Vitor vs Anderson? Count me in.

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 09:58 PM

Kimbo Slice about to get knocked the fuck out. Again.

EagleFan · 12-05-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Kimbo Slice about to get knocked the fuck out. Again.

I agree, I can't see him having any chance against Alexander.

JS19 · 12-05-2009, 10:23 PM

Saw somewhere that Rampage is coming back to the UFC.... shocker.

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 10:38 PM

I think I overrated Houston Alexander.

JS19 · 12-05-2009, 10:39 PM

That was actually a pretty impressive round (2nd) by Kimbo.

SirFozzie · 12-05-2009, 10:39 PM

Alexander danced for 7 minutes of the first ten, trying the Forrest Griffin legkick.. fatigue, slip and Kimbo rocked hihm a couple times. That really could have been a 10-8 round

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 10:45 PM

I say draw and drop both of them from the UFC. ok bye

Flasch186 · 12-05-2009, 10:46 PM

can you have 2 losers?

SirFozzie · 12-05-2009, 10:46 PM

have to give Kimbo credit.. that slam, and pretty good ground work.. better then I was expecting

EagleFan · 12-05-2009, 10:46 PM

That fight sucked. It was like watching Dancing with the Stars.

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 10:48 PM

Figured it would be fixed. How the fuck did Kimbo get Round 1? UFC is starting to lose some legitimacy with these crazy scores.

EagleFan · 12-05-2009, 10:48 PM

30-27? Kimbo threw one punch in the first round, how was he given that round?

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 10:48 PM

YAY NOW WE CAN SEE KIMBO FIGHT AGAIN IN THE UFC

AND HERSCHEL WALKER!!!!!!!*

*in Strikeforce

EagleFan · 12-05-2009, 10:50 PM

I should have seen the writing on the wall when they were plugging wrestling earlier...

Flasch186 · 12-05-2009, 10:52 PM

I dont know I can see giving rd 1 to Kimbo because it looked like he was pressing the fight while Houston 'ran'....then rd 2 went Kimbo's way and I can see rd. 3 going his way, barely too....

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 10:54 PM

Hmmm.. can you score a round 10-10?

SirFozzie · 12-05-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Figured it would be fixed. How the fuck did Kimbo get Round 1? UFC is starting to lose some legitimacy with these crazy scores.

Two of the sherdog folks gave it to Slice, too.. so it's not as whacko as you think. Here's the scoring system:

E. Judging Criteria
1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the following criteria:
-Clean Strikes
-Effective Grappling
-Octagon Control
-Effective Aggressiveness

So, if Alexander just ran the whole round, he was ceding both Octagon Control and Effective Aggressiveness.

But I was shocked that no one gave round 2 10-8 to Slice.. if that wasn't a 10-8 round, nothing is.. and that should put paid to any "favoring Kimbo" bullshit.

EagleFan · 12-05-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Hmmm.. can you score a round 10-10?

No

SirFozzie · 12-05-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Hmmm.. can you score a round 10-10?

They cannot score the round 10-10 in UFC, I'm pretty sure

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

So, if Alexander just ran the whole round, he was ceding both Octagon Control and Effective Aggressiveness..

Are you kidding me? Just standing in the center of the ring means you were in control of the Octagon? At least Houston landed leg strikes. Kimbo didn't land a single strike.

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

But I was shocked that no one gave round 2 10-8 to Slice.. if that wasn't a 10-8 round, nothing is.. and that should put paid to any "favoring Kimbo" bullshit.

That wasn't a 10-8, sorry.

EagleFan · 12-05-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Two of the sherdog folks gave it to Slice, too.. so it's not as whacko as you think. Here's the scoring system:

E. Judging Criteria
1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the following criteria:
-Clean Strikes
-Effective Grappling
-Octagon Control
-Effective Aggressiveness

So, if Alexander just ran the whole round, he was ceding both Octagon Control and Effective Aggressiveness.

But I was shocked that no one gave round 2 10-8 to Slice.. if that wasn't a 10-8 round, nothing is.. and that should put paid to any "favoring Kimbo" bullshit.

I disagree on octagon control. Slice never once cut off Alexander. By his movement I think he actually controlled the octagon as he wasn't running from an attack at any point but rather his movement seemed to prevent any attack that round.

I think he would have been better served to have thrown more leg kicks that first round at least.

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

No

I didn't think so, but wasn't sure if I was going by what I knew from boxing. Saw some guys suggesting it at Bloody Elbow, so...

EagleFan · 12-05-2009, 11:02 PM

With that said, Alexander wasn't robbed at all as I think they split the first two rounds and that lst round could have gone either way. Alexander didn't deserve to win that fight. Even when he chopped Slice down with the leg kick he didn't even try to jump on the advantage right away.

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 11:02 PM

Eh, I see Loretta Hunt scored Rounds 1 and 3 10-10 at Sherdog...

SirFozzie · 12-05-2009, 11:08 PM

dear fucking god, that's a nasty couple cuts

Flasch186 · 12-05-2009, 11:09 PM

why does Jones get that win when it was stopped off of illegal strikes?

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 11:09 PM

Pools of blood in both eyes. Ewwwwww

JS19 · 12-05-2009, 11:09 PM

seriously, looked like his eyes blew up

SirFozzie · 12-05-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

why does Jones get that win when it was stopped off of illegal strikes?

wasn't stopped due to the illegal strike (although he did have a point taken away).. the cuts were too bad for him to continue.

Flasch186 · 12-05-2009, 11:11 PM

HA! I was spot on! Good call.

sovereignstar · 12-05-2009, 11:11 PM

Terrible decision. And a terrible show.

EagleFan · 12-05-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

why does Jones get that win when it was stopped off of illegal strikes?

or not...

11-22-2009, 12:47 AM	#1301
MacroGuru Coordinator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah	I missed what Tito said to get the crowd booing. Also, why did he have a black eye? __________________ "forgetting what is in the past, I strive for the future"

12-05-2009, 10:38 PM	#1322
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	I think I overrated Houston Alexander. Last edited by sovereignstar : 12-05-2009 at 10:38 PM.

12-05-2009, 10:39 PM	#1324
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Alexander danced for 7 minutes of the first ten, trying the Forrest Griffin legkick.. fatigue, slip and Kimbo rocked hihm a couple times. That really could have been a 10-8 round __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-05-2009, 10:46 PM	#1326
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	can you have 2 losers? __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

12-05-2009, 10:46 PM	#1327
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	have to give Kimbo credit.. that slam, and pretty good ground work.. better then I was expecting __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

11-22-2009, 11:09 AM	#1305
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Tito is pleading to Dana to let he and Forrest coach TUF 11. It makes sense. It'd be two coaches who have strong followings and good personalities for that kind of show, and it'd lead to a rubber match which I think would be another solid fight.

11-22-2009, 01:19 PM	#1307
judicial clerk College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Portland, OR	They actually were both pretty good coaches as I remember. That said I would like to see some new guys coach

11-25-2009, 07:02 PM	#1311
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	108 might be the hardest hit MMA show ever. Now Gonzaga is reported to be out with a staph infection of his own. I was looking forward to he vs Dos Santos. Now I wonder if they do Cain vs JDS? I dunno how I feel though because the winner would be #1 contender, but it risks killing off one of your bright young HW's. Just a bad situation.

11-26-2009, 10:42 AM	#1318
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Sounds like Big Nog and Cain are gonna fight at 109 now. I sure fucking hope so. Miller vs Maiea, Trigg vs Serra, Coleman vs Randy, Nog vs Cain and Vitor vs Anderson? Count me in.

12-05-2009, 09:58 PM	#1319
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Kimbo Slice about to get knocked the fuck out. Again.

12-05-2009, 10:23 PM	#1321
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Saw somewhere that Rampage is coming back to the UFC.... shocker.

12-05-2009, 10:39 PM	#1323
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	That was actually a pretty impressive round (2nd) by Kimbo.

12-05-2009, 10:45 PM	#1325
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	I say draw and drop both of them from the UFC. ok bye

12-05-2009, 10:46 PM	#1328
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	That fight sucked. It was like watching Dancing with the Stars.

12-05-2009, 10:48 PM	#1329
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Figured it would be fixed. How the fuck did Kimbo get Round 1? UFC is starting to lose some legitimacy with these crazy scores.

12-05-2009, 10:48 PM	#1330
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	30-27? Kimbo threw one punch in the first round, how was he given that round?

12-05-2009, 10:48 PM	#1331
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	YAY NOW WE CAN SEE KIMBO FIGHT AGAIN IN THE UFC AND HERSCHEL WALKER!!!!!!!* in Strikeforce Last edited by sovereignstar : 12-05-2009 at 10:49 PM.*

12-05-2009, 10:50 PM	#1332
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I should have seen the writing on the wall when they were plugging wrestling earlier...

12-05-2009, 10:52 PM	#1333
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	I dont know I can see giving rd 1 to Kimbo because it looked like he was pressing the fight while Houston 'ran'....then rd 2 went Kimbo's way and I can see rd. 3 going his way, barely too.... __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

12-05-2009, 10:54 PM	#1334
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Hmmm.. can you score a round 10-10?

12-05-2009, 11:02 PM	#1341
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	With that said, Alexander wasn't robbed at all as I think they split the first two rounds and that lst round could have gone either way. Alexander didn't deserve to win that fight. Even when he chopped Slice down with the leg kick he didn't even try to jump on the advantage right away.

12-05-2009, 11:02 PM	#1342
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Eh, I see Loretta Hunt scored Rounds 1 and 3 10-10 at Sherdog...

12-05-2009, 11:08 PM	#1343
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	dear fucking god, that's a nasty couple cuts __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-05-2009, 11:09 PM	#1344
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	why does Jones get that win when it was stopped off of illegal strikes? __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

12-05-2009, 11:09 PM	#1345
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Pools of blood in both eyes. Ewwwwww

12-05-2009, 11:09 PM	#1346
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	seriously, looked like his eyes blew up

12-05-2009, 11:11 PM	#1348
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	HA! I was spot on! Good call. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL Last edited by Flasch186 : 12-05-2009 at 11:11 PM.

12-05-2009, 11:11 PM	#1349
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Terrible decision. And a terrible show.

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