Breakout Kings: Werewolf Style (Game over - village wins)

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chubby

So if danny is a wolf, you are too?

Playing devil's advocate

Sure.

[Julio Riddols]

Every time I look to see whats going on I am hit with some new bizarre revelation. It reminds me of when I used to go fishing with my grandpa and I would step in the shallow creek water and watch a cloud of mud spring up and obscure what was once clear.

I'm gonna wind up playing spin the bottle with my vote Monday at this rate.

[Danny]

Ilwe have all weeked and monday so ill respond to stuff later as im busy today.

[CrimsonFox]

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[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

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[LoneStarGirl]

Never seen that happen in a game Crimson... Especially twice. You're a trendsetter

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Never seen that happen in a game Crimson... Especially twice. You're a trendsetter

got my own line of shoes too. only 129.99. Want to buy a pair?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

pity I wasn't wearing my rubber underwear.

[EagleFan]

Sorry, wife came home and had to help her bring the bags in.

[EagleFan]

Through a hotly contested debate you dinally decide on CrimsonFox. You find him and before you dispatch of him you notice that he is a she, and one with a smoking hot body.

It doesn't matter, she must be dealt with. Danny speaks up.... wait!!!!

Silence stuns everyone as they wait for his instructions.

Please give me a few moments alone with her?!?! It doesn't have to be before we finish her...

Um..... okay......

After a long awkward pause you finish her and find that....

CrimsonFox was Erica Reed, a member of the Breakout Kings.

Then the Marshal service arrives and says that they were looking for her. She took off after their last mission. Thank you for your service.

[EagleFan]

The next day arrives and you find that Zinto has been murdered. It seems that he was poisoned.

Zinto was a citizen.

[EagleFan]

Day Six has begun!

Deadline will be 10 PM EST Tuesday.

Have a great weekend all.

[Julio Riddols]

And the randomness continues. Why Zinto?

So we either only have 1 wolf left, or 3? If it is 1, there's a chance we can end this shit Tuesday so lets sort it out and make the right move. Plenty of time to figure things out.

[Danny]

They killed zinto because he wasnt going to be voting me, the wolf between narc and cr knows they need to get the village to lynch me in prder to win. They know know zinto Is a veteran that wasnt going to buy it

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyway, Danny is lying, though. Part of my role was to find the guy with evidence on me and eliminate them. I wasn't told if I had the ability to eliminate that person -- I asked and was told I would find out later. Obviously, Danny is that guy. Best I can come up with is some sort of extra win condition he has to eliminate me, and that's why he made up the seer nonsense -- to get the wolves to attack me, since he figured that trying hard to get me lynched would raise suspicion.

Let me address this based on the info I was given.

You did in fact have the ability to kill me if you had found me. I did not know this ahead of time, but it was part of the message explaining the result after I had scanned you.

Based on me knowing little at the start, I completely believe Pass did not know this ahead of time.

I have no win condition to eliminate you or any extra win condition for that matter. In fact, claiming you had a seer role was pointless to lie about since the seer is and has been useless (and I was the one who pointed this out. Though I was clearly told you would become a citizen and gain the seer ability. So either Pass is lying about that or EF made a mistake on one of our ends. (I double checked this before making this post).

So overall, it seems everything you say coincides with everything I said EXCEPT the part about you having seer powers. Again, I confirmed and I was 100% told this. I really have no idea why I would come out with everything and then lie about that knowing the seer was useless (which again, I made sure to point out repeatedly.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

My hunch is that since Danny was a villager, I win with them, and that if a wolf found me, I would win with the wolves.

Again, I was 100% told that Pass is a villager, though there is no specific information relating to whether or not he counts as a villager for the purposes of win conditions of the wolves.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I don't see the gain for Danny coming out with a lie that is going to be refuted, either by Pass being night killed or by Pass, you know, saying it's a lie. And to continue arguing about it after Pass wasn't night killed last night.

If I'm being completely honest, I actually think both Pass and I are telling the truth and EF probably just made a mistake. I know Pass is a villager now, so he has no reason to lie.

[Danny]

Regarding our next lynch, I am still torn between Narc and CR at this point. The voting evidence supports going CR, but something just doesn't sit right with me regarding Narc.

[Danny]

FWIW, whichever of the two of Narc and CR is going to push BAD for you guys (Julio and Chubby) to lynch me instead of Narc / CR because they know that once one of them is dead, it clears both Pass and I of being wolves.

[Danny]

Meant to say that whichever of the two is a wolf will push for lynching me

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

13) CrimsonFox - Erica Reed (day five lynch)

ooooh I'm so Christmassy!
Man, I am SO strung out on ketchup right now. Peace out.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

ooooh I'm so Christmassy!
Man, I am SO strung out on ketchup and pesto right now. Peace out.

Fixed.

[Passacaglia]

Dangit, I should have gone with ketchup and relish, that would have made much more sense!

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Danny

If I'm being completely honest, I actually think both Pass and I are telling the truth and EF probably just made a mistake. I know Pass is a villager now, so he has no reason to lie.

Have you asked EF if he's made a mistake? He told you 100% definitely that Pass has become a villager and seer but forgot to mention that fact to Pass? Really doesn't seem like the thing you'd forget to mention. And Pass didn't query EF about this after you said that was what had happened? Can Pass have been converted after you made him a villager? But, if so, why not just go along with your story? Pass has admitted that he lied (about his computer issues) but we're expected to believe him anyway.

So your take is, yes, there was this great game-changing mechanic that Eagle didn't mention.

There's just so many things that don't make sense here.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Danny

Regarding our next lynch, I am still torn between Narc and CR at this point. The voting evidence supports going CR, but something just doesn't sit right with me regarding Narc.

Originally Posted by Danny

Meant to say that whichever of the two is a wolf will push for lynching me

"Something doesn't sit right" with you regarding me? I'm not the one quoting from the Wolfy Handbook. "Whoever pushes to lynch you must be a wolf"?

Before I was worried that me making a stupid mistake would cost the game for the village. You've alleviated some of that worry because you seem to have gone out of your way to make me think you're not on the level.

Where does all your certainty come from when there is clearly a malfunction in the information you and/or Pass has been receiving?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Have you asked EF if he's made a mistake? He told you 100% definitely that Pass has become a villager and seer but forgot to mention that fact to Pass? Really doesn't seem like the thing you'd forget to mention. And Pass didn't query EF about this after you said that was what had happened? Can Pass have been converted after you made him a villager? But, if so, why not just go along with your story? Pass has admitted that he lied (about his computer issues) but we're expected to believe him anyway.

So your take is, yes, there was this great game-changing mechanic that Eagle didn't mention.

There's just so many things that don't make sense here.

Whoa. I didn't lie -- you misunderstood. I said that IT had my computer all morning, and you took that to mean that I had computer issues the night before. I was just clearing up your misunderstanding (likely based on time zone issues), but I didn't lie.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Danny

Meant to say that whichever of the two is a wolf will push for lynching me

Well, how's that for a self-serving statement. So far, of you, me and Narc, only one of us has any inconsistencies in our stories. You can figure out who that is.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Danny

Again, I was 100% told that Pass is a villager, though there is no specific information relating to whether or not he counts as a villager for the purposes of win conditions of the wolves.

Well can you check in with Eagle again and ask him about that?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Well, how's that for a self-serving statement. So far, of you, me and Narc, only one of us has any inconsistencies in our stories. You can figure out who that is.

You and Narc have stories, too?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You and Narc have stories, too?

what I am saying is that he's the only one to this point that has been caught in a lie.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Have you asked EF if he's made a mistake? He told you 100% definitely that Pass has become a villager and seer but forgot to mention that fact to Pass? Really doesn't seem like the thing you'd forget to mention. And Pass didn't query EF about this after you said that was what had happened? Can Pass have been converted after you made him a villager? But, if so, why not just go along with your story? Pass has admitted that he lied (about his computer issues) but we're expected to believe him anyway.

So your take is, yes, there was this great game-changing mechanic that Eagle didn't mention.

There's just so many things that don't make sense here.

Theres actually only one thing that doesnt make sense and exactly ome inconsistency. Frankly i dont care anymore. If we lose because ef screwed up then whatever.

[Danny]

I guess I do care since Im still posting lol, but you guys really think Pass and I are communicating on this and PMing each other as fellow wolves? Really?

[Danny]

If were wolves and Pass 100% confirmed my story and it's an almost certainty the village lynches Chief or Narc, giving us the win. But no, we thought that was too easy.....

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

what I am saying is that he's the only one to this point that has been caught in a lie.

Except I didn't lie. I would have to be an idiot to make the seer part up. And then Pass and I would have to both be idiots for him not to confirm the story if we were both wolves.

I understand I have been accusatory toward both you and Narc, but whichever of you is the villager really needs to start analyzing and considering the other as the possible wolf. I have seen no analysis from either of you on the other and instead you are locked in to analyzing every word I say looking for something.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Where does all your certainty come from when there is clearly a malfunction in the information you and/or Pass has been receiving?

Because I was clearly told that if I chose option village that Pass would become a villager and gain the seer ability.

Since I was told he would be a villager, I dont understand why he would lie about not having seer ability.

Both yours and Chief's argument is that Pass and I have to be wolves together with him as the starting wolf and me as the convert. You honestly think Pass would have denied the seer part of my story if we were both wolves? Really?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Well, how's that for a self-serving statement. So far, of you, me and Narc, only one of us has any inconsistencies in our stories. You can figure out who that is.

It's a village serving statement. You know, I have actually helped the village in this game where as you have seemingly done everything you can to never actually vote for a wolf.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

"Something doesn't sit right" with you regarding me? I'm not the one quoting from the Wolfy Handbook. "Whoever pushes to lynch you must be a wolf"?

Except what I said is true. I'm really not sure which of you is the wolf. I'll likely vote CR just because voting records support that, but you're not making it easy. It also doesn't make me feel good about him that he hasn't done a single bit of analysis on you whatsoever and instead is just trying to dissect whatever I say and turn it back around on me.

You are kind of doing the same thing, but at least seem to be doing some kind of analysis (Pass vs. Chief), even if you don't work out your thought process in thread.

[Danny]

Alright, I am going to give Narc the benefit of the doubt here as me just pissing him off. Chief has by far the worst vote record as the 3rd starting wolf and other than one comment pages ago about "why not consider narc", has actually provided nothing in the way of even considering Narc or looking at him.

Vote CHief

[Danny]

I'm also the only one that put together analysis on Julio, Chubby, Zinto and Jackal, arguing all of them WERE NOT WOLVES.

As a wolf, I would not do that. I would want as many possible wolf candidates as possible.

So Chief, why haven't you actually tried to look at those guys? You haven't tried to do any analysis on Narc or those other guys. All I have seen you do is analyze my every word and try and twist it around (admittedly, the seer thing is valid, though again, Pass and I would be idiots to make that up as wolves).

At least Narc and I had some discussions on those guys and he asked for some of my clarifications on Julio and Chubby as well I believe.

[Danny]

Alright, apparently no mistake was made on anything, so one of us Pass and I must be lying about the seer thing. I really don't understand why Pass would lie about it, again I know for sure he is a villager, but maybe the special win condition he mentioned for me, is something he has instead.

But really, you have to think that even if there is some special win condition from Pass or I (I dont have one, but it really doesnt matter if I did), that we still are not wolves.

[Danny]

Alright, I am sticking with my vote on Chief.

I think Narc and I may be getting into some of this mutual paranoia, but at the very least, I have seen a willingness from him to actually look at the different players and analyze things. I have not seen anything like that from Chief. It is as if he knows already certain people are not wolves.

Additionally, Narc did help start an argument for voting Britrock and stuck his vote there. Chief did all he could to not vote Britrock and britrock seemingly did all he could to not vote Chief.

I think Chief is trying to help play up the Narc vs. me argument, but despite my paranoia, I am going to give Narc the benefit of the doubt given his vote history.

[Danny]

Pass, it seems you may be worried about me having a special win condition regarding having you killed. I revealed the seer thing because it was a 100% worthless ability and it was in no way going to hurt you. I included it because I wanted to be 100% honest about everything because as a villager I did not want to be in the situation we are seemingly in now.

If I wanted you dead, I simply would have said I scanned you, it was you on the tape and you were a wolf. Additionally, I simply could have argued you as a wolf because your voting record and actions were far worse than mine. Either one would have been a better play than what I did, if my goal was to have you killed.

Really I was trying to help you and the village by clearing you being a wolf (and any chance of you being lynched). I also knew that the ability you have is worthless and that if either of us was going to be night killed, it was going to be me. Though obviously the wolves found it better to keep both of us alive as potential wolf tandem, especially after I cleared and argued for Julio, Chubby, Zinto and Jackal being villagers.

If you are lying Pass, I ask you to read what I just wrote and ask yourself if I really played things in a way that I wanted you dead.

[Narcizo]

Well if there's no mistake then one or both of you is lying right? Either you didn't make Pass a villager and seer or Pass wasn't told that he had been found and was now basically a villager, without any mention of him being a seer. And if you're going to lie to the village about something like that then you're not a villager - you're letting your other victory condition undermine the villager cause.

But I agree with the general gist of your argument Danny. And the scenario that sees you and Pass both being wolves is pretty far-fetched even by my standards. If you were converted day three and Pass was the original wolf the easiest course would be to push to lynch Chief Rum - you'd have to be pretty confident of your chances of doing that. Inventing the whole videotape story is possibly the sort of thing I might just do as a wolf to complicate things for myself but I have a hard time seeing you doing the same.

I think Pass is lying. My thoughts are that he may, somehow, have been converted after you were told that he's a villager. Perhaps the wolves get to scan one person each day and convert them if they're Ronnie - even if he's already become a villager. By backing up part of your story but not all of it he paints himself as a villager but gives Chief the chance to attack you for discrepencies in your story. Pass has been pretty much sitting outside of the game throughout - I want to hear more from him.

Vote Passacaglia

[Narcizo]

At the back of my mind I can't shake the idea that there's something strange happening with Danny and Pass. Maybe it's because I know I'm a villager and I don't want it to be as easy as there just being one wolf and that wolf being Chief. No doubt Danny will say that I'm doing what a wolf would do - trying to keep Chief and myself alive for a last day confrontation. I'm aware that the logical course if I think Danny is on the level is to vote Chief. I'm just not 100% sure that he is on the level yet. I accept Danny's argument that he is the one doing the most of the analysis and I will do my own on Monday while all you lot have a holiday (is that correct)?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

At the back of my mind I can't shake the idea that there's something strange happening with Danny and Pass. Maybe it's because I know I'm a villager and I don't want it to be as easy as there just being one wolf and that wolf being Chief. No doubt Danny will say that I'm doing what a wolf would do - trying to keep Chief and myself alive for a last day confrontation. I'm aware that the logical course if I think Danny is on the level is to vote Chief. I'm just not 100% sure that he is on the level yet. I accept Danny's argument that he is the one doing the most of the analysis and I will do my own on Monday while all you lot have a holiday (is that correct)?

I understand.

Though I will say this, despite him lying, please don't vote for Pass. I am very very confident he is still a villager. I think he just is playing very badly.

[Danny]

So with that I think you should vote me or Chief. The reason I am stating to vote me and not Pass is because I am sure he is a villager and I am not real happy with how he has played this game and I feel I can better present the case for why we are not the wolves.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Danny

So with that I think you should vote me or Chief. The reason I am stating to vote me and not Pass is because I am sure he is a villager and I am not real happy with how he has played this game and I feel I can better present the case for why we are not the wolves.

I just don't understand how you can be sure he's a villager. Say you were a seer and there's no cunning but there's conversion in the game. You can't be sure that someone is a villager even if you've scanned them - and you'd start to question it if he lied about something. I'm going to wait and hear what Julio and Chubby have to say. Well Julio then.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Pass has been pretty much sitting outside of the game throughout - I want to hear more from him.

I told you why I've been sitting outside, and I've answered every question asked. What else do you want to hear?

And my question for you is, do you actually think I'm a wolf, or are you just voting because you want to hear more?

[Narcizo]

Because you and/or Danny is lying about what went down when Danny discovered you or afterwards. If Danny is lying the only way it even remotely makes sense (and I'll admit that it's a stretch even by my standards) is that you are the original starting wolf, and he's Ronnie. I don't buy Danny as an original wolf. Either way that means you've lied about it. And if you win with the village then it makes no sense for you to lie and cause confusion. Which means, at the very least, that you don't have the village's interest at heart.

So tell me why you're lying and I'll rethink my vote.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Because you and/or Danny is lying about what went down when Danny discovered you or afterwards. If Danny is lying the only way it even remotely makes sense (and I'll admit that it's a stretch even by my standards) is that you are the original starting wolf, and he's Ronnie. I don't buy Danny as an original wolf. Either way that means you've lied about it. And if you win with the village then it makes no sense for you to lie and cause confusion. Which means, at the very least, that you don't have the village's interest at heart.

So tell me why you're lying and I'll rethink my vote.

I told you I'm not lying.

Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean by the bolded part. Either of which ways?