01-02-2006, 09:41 PM | #1301 | |
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That sounds like what cronin said about SnDvls. Why is he wrong, but you're right? |
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01-02-2006, 09:41 PM | #1302 |
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Saldana, I'm sorry I didn't believe you earlier in the game. I hope you'll believe me now.
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01-02-2006, 09:43 PM | #1303 |
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Well well, seems i wasnt soo far off after all with all my crazy shit, was i sun?? I called cronin the elemental, and sun the demon...i couldnt be happier right now. if you all still doubt me after all the arguments i had with sun and gramat, then i never will sway you guys
Hoops, that was a mighty blow to my trust for you...you supported him all game till i started putting pressure on you at which yuo point to tried to distance yourself from him and help me. It was not until i revealed my full duke role and my intention to use it to kill hoops did he start helping me...as for others...I think saldana may be a bad guy...why in gods name would a demon try to bring back a human unless he would be a demon too...for others, i will have to review posts...but outside of cronin(i just love being right) those are my biggest suspects right now
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01-02-2006, 09:46 PM | #1304 |
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Barkeep, I'm having a very tough time coming up with a way that there were two resurrections and both belonged to demons. If I was assigning percentages on the "worry" list yours would be significantly lower. The top two guys are much bigger worries for me. And if you are good it clears King, which would be very nice to know as well.
Probably just being stubborn. And maybe being blind on Blade. But Blade is easy enough to prove during daytime actions today. Yes, I know he could have proved it today during daytime actions. But I was there at the end of voting and I wouldn't have pulled the trigger to take it off of Gram if I was the duke. So I'm not holding that against him. I'm not trying to harass you or anything of the sort. If anything, I'm playing the same "risk mitigation" strategy now that I played in the ship game you GM'd when I kept worrying about Vince ... and he did turn out to be a spawn. Just saying ... |
01-02-2006, 09:47 PM | #1305 |
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Does anyone else get the feeling that the elementals are very close to winning this game?
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01-02-2006, 09:48 PM | #1306 |
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Could be...sndvls may have randomly raised saldana to try and cover his butt...or...he could be raising saldana to be a demon.
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01-02-2006, 09:51 PM | #1307 |
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If you guys need a role reveal to trust me I'll give it. But for people playing along at home who have really dug deep I'm not sure they would want me to do it.
By and large, the demons have all the information we have, and then some. Locking my role up tight has, I believe, helped me and helped the humans in this game. When I say that because of my role I know that Cronin is an elemental it is because it is essential that you don't misinterpret that information. When I don't explicitly say why I trust someone, like Dubb earlier in the game it is because I don't think there is sufficient risk in us going down a wrong path to indicate if the information is based on role or on gut/intuition. But I had him pegged as an assassin role from the moment that King died. And I've continuously laid cover for him when people have questioned him. |
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Or another theory, he could have been bullshitting and someone else had that role. Of course, if that is the case, they could come forward any time now...unless it was an elemental, which case they won't say anything.
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01-02-2006, 09:54 PM | #1311 | |
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and here we go again....lets use a little bit of logic here...i told you all what my role was on day one, and got killed on day 2, so obviously, i have no more power, meanwhile King appeared to be our seer, and we can assume that he came back to life with his powers intact. I think we should be looking at him, who would make alot more sense to me to be a demon ressurection, because you all want him in the game, whereas i offer nothing special, and if he is the seer, who is going to prove otherwise that he is anything but human...he is the perfect demon right now...not saying that he is, just saying that logically, the bad guys bringing him back makes a ton of sense to me. |
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01-02-2006, 09:54 PM | #1312 | |
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I'm not asking for a role reveal -- I'm just trying to grasp the situation, since cronin was wrong. Obviously, you're not cronin, but you can see where I'm coming from. To be honest, I tend to believe you that cronin is an elemental, but my vote stands, in accordance with my earlier post. |
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01-02-2006, 09:55 PM | #1313 |
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I think they might be close...i think sndvls death may have surprised the elementals. St.cronin certainly didn't see it coming.
I hope when we nail grammaticus we seal the victory for the villagers.
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01-02-2006, 09:55 PM | #1314 | |
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Do we not get to search Sun's room to get a hint at any secret demon role he might of had?
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01-02-2006, 09:55 PM | #1315 |
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I think we're going to set a new record for posts in a werewolf game. Muah.
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01-02-2006, 09:55 PM | #1316 |
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Barkeep, who did you bring back?
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01-02-2006, 09:57 PM | #1318 | |
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Oh. Shit. Sorry. Upon searching SnDvls's room, you find a fine collection of daggers, a collection of herbs, powders, and various plants, and a swedish penis enlarger. |
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01-02-2006, 09:57 PM | #1319 | |
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Well we know sun is a demon, and he said he would raise randomly at night....barkeep also said he would raise, and he said he would raise king. Coffe would not override barkeep without barkeep telling us, so: BARKEEP RAISED KING SUN(THE DEMON) RAISED YOU... Is there something in that logic that makes king more suspicious(and note on day 2 i was protecting WVU, a villager, more then attacking you...but you started a bandwagon i stopped, a wrongful bandwagon. So get over that, as neither of us had a good read yet)
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01-02-2006, 09:58 PM | #1320 |
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I may not go back and read the old posts now. I feel comfortable with what I know now.
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01-02-2006, 09:58 PM | #1321 | |
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I thought Barkeep already revealed that he brought me back.
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01-02-2006, 09:59 PM | #1322 |
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Blade, it isn't a slip-up in the way that you are making it out.
I believed that Dubb had the role of assassin. I was wrong in name only, as he had the role of thief. However, I was wrong when I thought he had used the power earlier on King. I'm definitely curious who did that, but it doesn't modify the fact that I provided cover for a good player who I knew (or strongly suspected, take your pick) was a human. |
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01-02-2006, 10:02 PM | #1324 | |
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what does that mean anyway? i think thats the only phrase in this game i havent picked up yet. |
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01-02-2006, 10:05 PM | #1327 |
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Hoops you're trying to take all this credit about dubbs and cronin. Dubbs I'll give you. But you didn't really suggest cronin was an elemental. I remember one post where you hedged a bit, but for the most part you strongly implied he was a villager. Had you suggested that was a possiblity that he was an elemental I think following his lead would have been different for several of us, or at least myself.
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01-02-2006, 10:06 PM | #1328 |
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Well, I've had a bad feeling about Gramm since very early on, but I would like to take a look at the Taz/Path dual role reveal. Why would we need to have this many tie breaker roles? Surely one has to be lying.
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01-02-2006, 10:06 PM | #1329 |
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It's slang for "owned". If you get a really good dis on someone you could be said to pwn them.
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01-02-2006, 10:07 PM | #1330 | |
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All it said was that I got rezzed and that my role was still in tact.
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01-02-2006, 10:08 PM | #1331 | |
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Cause a tie and I'll prove it. We have two candidates that are being voted for (Cronin and Gram). Surely we can arrange a tie to prove my power. |
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01-02-2006, 10:09 PM | #1332 |
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Blade, I called him "non-human" every time, never once did I call him human.
Initially I wanted to leave some doubt just in case the demons might try to attack him. But I was definitely calling him an elemental earlier this evening. I'll go hunt down the post where I was most explicit about this prior to this evening if you need me to - it was part of our running conversation. I said something like "depends on what you mean by good - he is not a demon" or something to that effect. I am sure I can find a few examples. |
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If you re-read the conversation hoops and i had at like 2 am in the morning, he spells it out to me cronin is an elemental and dubb is a human...i think like him so i asked indirect questions(he had hinted at it before so i went in thinking he thought cronin was elemental and no idea where dubb was...at the time i thought hoops was the druid, hence my question about competing with sun who i felt and still somewhat think was the warlock due to the elemental protecting him
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01-02-2006, 10:10 PM | #1334 | |
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01-02-2006, 10:11 PM | #1335 | |
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I was under the assumption that the warlock/druid role WOULD be revealed upon death.
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01-02-2006, 10:13 PM | #1336 | |
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01-02-2006, 10:13 PM | #1337 | |
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01-02-2006, 10:14 PM | #1338 | |
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01-02-2006, 10:15 PM | #1339 | |
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I don't think so. I think that cronin's victory conditions lie with trying to get sacrifices to answer, and favors used. He wanted us to lynch Gram when HE was protecting him, and he complained about how we didn't sacrifice the right thing for him. I think that we, and the demon's druid, need to stop making sacrifices. |
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01-02-2006, 10:16 PM | #1341 | |
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I'm not sure that is even an option.
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01-02-2006, 10:19 PM | #1342 |
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Cronin - Elemental WVU Villager Dac - elemental Blade Villager me Villager Barkeep Villager Kingfc22 Villager Hoops villager Dubb villager Little trust: Taz Not so trusted: Pass Path Saldana Not trusted the most------ DEMON Gramm I know Gramm is bad. One, maybe two of the following is a demon according to my list. One is most likely the third elemental: Taz Pass Path Saldana I trust Taz more than the others, I do need to review Path and Pass comments. Saldana, sorry man, but you came back through a demon. I'm worried.
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Sorry, re-post is for Barkeep, not Blade.
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01-02-2006, 10:22 PM | #1344 |
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I'm about out for the night fellas.
We'll see if I can get online when I get back to the house. My hectic, hectic day at work is almost over.
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01-02-2006, 10:23 PM | #1345 |
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Vote Count because I hate not knowing
3 - St. Cronin 3 - Grammaticus As it stands now, Cronin will be lynched because my tie breaking power will be used. If people want to lynch Grammaticus more, I'd switch with someone on the Gramm side. |
01-02-2006, 10:23 PM | #1346 |
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And I can find posts earlier than this, but I was looking for the exchange with Blade and started at Page 18 since it is the last one I have on my list (10 most recent pages, 27 as most recent).
I knew about Cronin a couple of days ago. |
01-02-2006, 10:26 PM | #1347 |
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Cronin - Elemental(i dont think this elemental is on our side...i think he and dacman are competing for favor) WVU Villager Dac - elemental(a good side elemental?..would make sense if dacman picks the right good favor and cronin picks the right bad favor...makes a lot of sense) Blade Lord Barkeep resurrect rule Kingfc22 Seer? Hasnt confirmed it yet, or really told us anything and night has passed...i think he can help clear up a few people for sure Dubb Thief Not so trusted: Taz Pass Path Quite worrisome: Hoops Ardent Not trusted the most------ DEMON Gramm(if it werent for his calous nature when he was to be lynched, id trust him..but he seemed like he didnt care..outside of that, why would cronin, who protected demon sun, try bring attention to gramat Saldana
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01-02-2006, 10:31 PM | #1348 | |
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Thinking WAY outside the box here. Would the demons kill their own knowing they could bring him back later in the game? What if Saldana was a cunning demon and showed up as a regular villager to everyone else. The demons knowing that we are nowhere near figuring out who they are decide to kill their own with the assurance that they could bring him back later in the game as a "trusted" villager.
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01-02-2006, 10:32 PM | #1349 |
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For the record, everyone is claiming a role outside of pass, hoops, ardnet and gramat(king too, but we saw part of it already)...not suprisingly those are 4 of my least trusted
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I was resurrected at night and thus not have the ability to use my crystal ball at all until the following day.
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