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Old 01-12-2006, 04:47 PM   #1351
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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday
Checking back on the day 2 history of this crew:

* dacman - voted early for SnDvls = slightly suspicious, not my first choice
* coder - really early vote for CW = highly suspicious as a "blend-in" lurker
* Grammaticus - voted for SnDvls and then switched to WVUFan = could be good or bad
* Passacaglia - late vote for SnDvls = very much not a likely DE move
* Taz - middle-late vote for SM=#54 = highly suspicious as a "blend-in" lurker
* Desnudo - voted and then unvoted CW (Alan did not have a later re-vote) = suspicious
* Jesse - middle vote for SnDvls = not a likely DE move

I don't like Passacaglia for a DE, although he's drawn a couple of votes. I would like to have a go at one of coder or Taz, but would also be willing to consider Jesse, Desnudo, or Grammaticus.

I didn't realize Passacaglia had a late vote in for SnDvls. Keeping track of things in this game is a real pain.

Unvote Passacaglia

You missed that I then revoted CW, so nothing changed. I briefly considered voting for SnDvls (you can see the evidence in the questions I asked him), but I've explained my actions in previous post.

I still believe that the Alan T voters are suspicious. It just seems to convenient for things to turn that quickly.
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Old 01-12-2006, 04:51 PM   #1352
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Right now I'm looking at Mr Wednesday again. His 2 late votes look bad, but I won't blame him for the last one since it was, as he put it himself, to save his own skin.

However, so far he's said nothing to convince me he's innocent and his late vote made me vote for him yesterday and as things look now that's where I'm going again.

I'm also a bit suspicious of JeeberD.. I've been reading the posts made about him today and his low presence is surprising.. the HP-knowledge and offer to help also looks weird when you hardly see any aid on the matter from him, like for instance with the Dis-apparatus issue and SnDvls.

My list at the moment is:

Wednesday
JeeberD..

No vote yet.
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Old 01-12-2006, 04:53 PM   #1353
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Is anyone doing a time-table of last night's votes? I'd be curious to see such a list again (someone has made it the previous nights).

I'm not keeping any notes myself, but if someone has done it already it would be interesting to see.
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Old 01-12-2006, 04:58 PM   #1354
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Well, I've got a meeting to go to and don't think I'm going to be around for the deadline. The Dacman idea I floated doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so I'm heading for one of the Alan voters.

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Old 01-12-2006, 04:58 PM   #1355
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Also, (triple dola or is someone going to break up my nice run?), I don't like Wednesday's list above.. I have a pretty good feeling about most names on that list.. maybe one or two I don't like, but overall they have a wizardy feel. I understand his need to put blame somewhere else since he's getting a lot of votes, but he's not even mentioning some of the more discussed names.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:00 PM   #1356
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Right now I'm looking at Mr Wednesday again. His 2 late votes look bad, but I won't blame him for the last one since it was, as he put it himself, to save his own skin.

However, so far he's said nothing to convince me he's innocent and his late vote made me vote for him yesterday and as things look now that's where I'm going again.

I'm also a bit suspicious of JeeberD.. I've been reading the posts made about him today and his low presence is surprising.. the HP-knowledge and offer to help also looks weird when you hardly see any aid on the matter from him, like for instance with the Dis-apparatus issue and SnDvls.

My list at the moment is:

Wednesday
JeeberD..

No vote yet.

I think by implication, if there was an effort to move votes to Alan T, then Mr. W and/or Path are evil.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:08 PM   #1357
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Dola, and looking at the last vote, I see that AlanT, St. Cronin, and Superman all voted for Jeeber. That's an interesting block considering two are guaranteed wizards and Superman is highly trusted. Schmidty is trustworthy as well I believe. Also interesting that two out of the four are now dead.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:08 PM   #1358
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:22 PM   #1359
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I've got to catch up. Since I posted my OOG comment, I've been working on a thread of the same subject.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:25 PM   #1360
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Although something is not feeling right about Pass, I'm not going to stay on this vote

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Mr. W should have gone yesterday and his late shifts, as well as BS bodyguard hoopla is not good. He shifts the vote to AlanT rather than Path, that pisses me off and there was no reason for it. Then I don't like his chasing ghosts comments after he switches votes off the tie and hangs AlanT.

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Old 01-12-2006, 05:26 PM   #1361
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Is there a vote count out there?
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:28 PM   #1362
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As far as my musings in this game being the dumbest theory you've ever heard of, you've obviously never heard of the Flat Earth Society.
What is the Flat Earth Society?
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:28 PM   #1363
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I'm thinking Path is good (voted for MrW), MrW is bad, Jeeber is possibly bad, Ardent is possibly bad.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:28 PM   #1364
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Looking at the list I just posted, I'm really not liking how after Desnudo's vote made it Mr. W 10, path 7, Alan T 1, it then turned into Mr. W 6, path 5, Alan T 7. Looking at the vote switches should lead us to a DE or two or three.
I assert that since the votes were exchanged between two normal wizards, you are wrong -- the people involved in the swap are most likely normal wizards themselves. Hence my casting of suspicion on people such as yourself who cast a vote and broke out the popcorn.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:30 PM   #1365
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I still believe that the Alan T voters are suspicious. It just seems to convenient for things to turn that quickly.
The problem is, the DEs had no reason to want to turn things -- it would have brought needless attention on them at a time when a normal wizard was comfortably ahead.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:31 PM   #1366
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This vote is based strictly on vote patterns. Could AE be unlucky, of course. But this is where my vote is going.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:32 PM   #1367
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A lot of you guys are going to have to do a lot of catching up on things if you vote for me, because your analysis is hinging on the vote change yesterday saving a DE, which it didn't unless path12 is one (which only casts doubt on late switches from path12, really).
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:33 PM   #1368
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:34 PM   #1369
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Man I wish NC was still alive. One scan would answer a lot of questions. I'm not convinced of MrW's innocence, but I'm more than willing to see what happens if we zap Ardent as well.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:34 PM   #1370
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BS bodyguard hoopla
Which, if you read the post that touched it off, was an innocent misunderstanding that I failed to identify and correct... I talked about voting priorities, RA saw the bit about "protecting roled wizards" as thought I was trying to hint at being a bodyguard.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:36 PM   #1371
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Which, if you read the post that touched it off, was an innocent misunderstanding that I failed to identify and correct... I talked about voting priorities, RA saw the bit about "protecting roled wizards" as thought I was trying to hint at being a bodyguard.
Why did you wait so long to clarify it?
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:42 PM   #1372
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Why did you wait so long to clarify it?
Because I misread RA's first post that came out and said it, and nobody else put it on the floor.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:43 PM   #1373
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Because I misread RA's first post that came out and said it, and nobody else put it on the floor.
They commented on it pretty quickly after you posted it.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:43 PM   #1374
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I think that while a vote for Jesse is in my best interests (as far as remaining a straight "good guy" and not bringing heat on myself), it's a useless vote today.

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Old 01-12-2006, 05:44 PM   #1375
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Dola, Taz, I do think your analysis could be very interesting from the point where I'm tied with or behind Path12, but only if Path12 is a DE.

Obviously, my analysis hinges on me knowing that I'm a wizard, which you won't know until the game is over or I die.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:45 PM   #1376
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They commented on it pretty quickly after you posted it.
Only RA actually said something explicit.

Frankly, at this point it's almost more productive if I die because then you guys can stop wasting time and energy on this wild goose chase.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:45 PM   #1377
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:45 PM   #1378
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You guessed it. Self-preservation mode activated.

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Old 01-12-2006, 05:47 PM   #1379
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You guessed it. Self-preservation mode activated.

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VOTE ardent enthusiast
Priceless

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Current Vote Count:

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Old 01-12-2006, 05:47 PM   #1380
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Same here, I guess. I started to trust you yesterday, Wednesday. This is not a malicious vote.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:49 PM   #1381
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Same here, I guess. I started to trust you yesterday, Wednesday. This is not a malicious vote.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

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Old 01-12-2006, 05:49 PM   #1382
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I certainly understand.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:50 PM   #1383
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I really don't want to vote Wednesday, but I feel like I have to. I understand the reasoning some of you are giving, but you're making a mistake.

Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:55 PM   #1384
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Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.
They moving you sea-side or something? I thought you were still instructing, or maybe your not talking about what im talking about
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:56 PM   #1385
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I really don't want to vote Wednesday, but I feel like I have to. I understand the reasoning some of you are giving, but you're making a mistake.

Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.
There are a lot of votes left uncast.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:57 PM   #1386
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I really don't want to vote Wednesday, but I feel like I have to. I understand the reasoning some of you are giving, but you're making a mistake.

Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.
Dola, Why are we making a mistake?
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:57 PM   #1387
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I really don't want to vote Wednesday, but I feel like I have to. I understand the reasoning some of you are giving, but you're making a mistake.

Man, I can't argue. 500 days. I've never been this close to getting out. It's weird. I'm kind of depressed right now.

Chin up, sailor. It's only a virtual lynch, nothing to worry about.
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Old 01-12-2006, 06:06 PM   #1388
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As usual, I don't really like any of the guys up on the block...

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Old 01-12-2006, 06:06 PM   #1389
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Only RA actually said something explicit.

Frankly, at this point it's almost more productive if I die because then you guys can stop wasting time and energy on this wild goose chase.
Well, I said something explicit and you either:

1. Knowingly passed over it because it was to your advantage.

or

2. Wasn't reading carefully enough when your neck was on the line.
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Old 01-12-2006, 06:10 PM   #1390
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Since it's now 1 a.m. I will cast my vote and even though it seems like the bandwagon at the moment, I will be placing it on Wednesday. Voted for him yesterday and I voiced my concerns an hour ago.. he doesn't look innocent and I feel more certain about him than Jeeber..

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Old 01-12-2006, 06:42 PM   #1391
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Rethinking some things. I know from having been an assassin with Mr. W that if he feels that he is in trouble, he would want a fellow wolf to vote for him so as to hide amongst the villagers.

Ardent fired an early vote (it made it a 3-0 bandwagon) against Mr. W yesterday. If they are both DEs then that could be an explanation for it and then Ardent switching to Alan T since it would have given Mr. W another day. Mr. W was under heavy suspicion leading into the day, so a fellow DE voting for him early would make it easier to hide.

If Mr. W is an innoncent and Ardent is a DE then Ardent was just voting for whatever wizard that was available (go with the flow).

If Mr. W is a DE and Ardent is a wizard then Ardent has poor choice in voting when he switches his vote.

If Mr. W is innocent and Ardent is innocent then Ardent (and the rest of us) have poor choice in voting.
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Old 01-12-2006, 06:44 PM   #1392
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Slow night tonight.

To be fair, I think that Ardent thought the same think I did. The only difference between us was that I explained why I voted for Alan T (If I remember correctly).
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Old 01-12-2006, 06:51 PM   #1393
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Wow, tie vote. My money's on Wednesday, based on voting record. It seems much worse than AE's.

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Old 01-12-2006, 07:11 PM   #1394
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I haven't been as active today, as I still have my same suspicions as yesterday. I think I'll stick with my vote from yesterday (and St. Cronin's):

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Old 01-12-2006, 07:17 PM   #1395
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I think it is a typical wolf ploy to kill St. Cronin and draw attention to Jeeber. IMO jeebs is in the clear.
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Old 01-12-2006, 07:18 PM   #1396
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I think it is a typical wolf ploy to kill St. Cronin and draw attention to Jeeber. IMO jeebs is in the clear.

Anything to actually back that up other than a gut-feeling?
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Old 01-12-2006, 07:19 PM   #1397
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Anything to actually back that up other than a gut-feeling?
no.

but I've played in enough games to know that that would be a textbook play...
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Old 01-12-2006, 07:23 PM   #1398
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no.

but I've played in enough games to know that that would be a textbook play...

Well, that's true. I'll look through things, but for now I'll stick with my vote.
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Old 01-12-2006, 07:30 PM   #1399
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Well, that's true. I'll look through things, but for now I'll stick with my vote.
I'm not trying to change anyones mind. It just seems so obvious and I would hate for us to fall for it. Right now to me Jeebs and Mr. W both seem in the clear, that leaves path12.
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Old 01-12-2006, 07:33 PM   #1400
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Right now to me Jeebs and Mr. W both seem in the clear, that leaves path12.

See, to me that's not the case. After having looked back at stuff yesterday, and the action of Mr. Wed. changing his vote to AlanT, not Path, I just don't feel comfortable with any of them.
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