POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[NobodyHere]

TV is saying a rally attendee is dead and the shooter is "down".

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm still not understanding how the SS allowed him to stand up and strike the defiance pose for so long not knowing if the shooter was neutralized or if there were others. Just a bizarre scene. Surely that's not SOP in the manual.

You can hear someone on stage say "shooter down" before they lift him up.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cartman

It also could be that they had the mics dialed in to record voice, causing the supersonic sounds to be muffled, because if there was return fire, it had a similar sound, and those wouldn't be subsonic.

{hat tip} That does call into question whether we hear the (supposed) return fire.

Good catch on the flaw with my theory for sure.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

You can hear someone on stage say "shooter down" before they lift him up.

That's an awfully quick assessment of a chaotic situation with thousands of people around.

[GrantDawg]

Just watched an older guy covered in blood give an interview that said he was an er doctor and worked on an individual in the stands that took a shot to the head.

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[Lathum]

It is really sad a rally goer was killed and that they will almost assuredly be politicized.

Biden needs to come out and condemn this and Trump needs to come out and say this was the work of a single, deranged person. Neither will happen and instead we are going to see an explosion in political violence.

[Ksyrup]

Of course Biden is going to condemn the shooting.

[GrantDawg]

I have already seen a large number of Democrats condemn this.

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[Danny]

Biden should have been briefed of this within two minutes.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Of course Biden is going to condemn the shooting.

He should have already.

All this does is feed the narrative he is slow to respond to a national emergency and every additional second he doesn't address the nation proves that.

[Ksyrup]

We've gone from Bush finishing reading a children's book to Biden having to be awakened at 6:30pm to be briefed.

[GrantDawg]

If this story is true....


https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1...CBcnZ3p2A&s=19

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[GrantDawg]

And again, all of this could end up being false, but..
https://x.com/3orovik/status/1812269...CXJNA-sEA&s=19

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Gonna save this post. One of us is going to be very, very wrong.

Better to work out excises for why he lost. Russians again? Jill Stein? Way more time to get creative.

[RainMaker]

Reports are the shooter was on a roof. Killed seconds later by a secret service sniper.

[GrantDawg]

So a sniper from distance. How was there no coverage of any roof that had sight-line? That was a major Secret Service failure.

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[Lathum]

How has the President of the United States not said a word in over an hour when a former president and current republican nominee just survived an assassination attempt? WHERE IS @JoeBiden #Trump #biden

— Dave Portnoy (@stoolpresidente) July 13, 2024

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm still not understanding how the SS allowed him to stand up and strike the defiance pose for so long not knowing if the shooter was neutralized or if there were others. Just a bizarre scene. Surely that's not SOP in the manual.

whole thing was staged

[JonInMiddleGA]

A whole lot of "ifs" with this obviously but ... IF the rooftop shooter turns out to be legit, can there be any way there's not a Congressional investigation of the Secret Service?

And IF everything is just like that BBC interview portrays, does Trump decline Secret Service protection at that point & use only his own people going forward?

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by Lathum

It is really sad a rally goer was killed and that they will almost assuredly be politicized.

Biden needs to come out and condemn this and Trump needs to come out and say this was the work of a single, deranged person. Neither will happen and instead we are going to see an explosion in political violence.

They made a martyr out of they dumb nut job on January 6th, this person was just in the wrong place.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

How has the President of the United States not said a word in over an hour when a former president and current republican nominee just survived an assassination attempt? WHERE IS @JoeBiden #Trump #biden

— Dave Portnoy (@stoolpresidente) July 13, 2024

He's currently holding a press conference.

[JPhillips]

the Secret Service has had so many problems over the past decade or so. People getting into the residence, prostitution scandals, drug use, now this. It's well past time they get shaken to the core.

[NobodyHere]

Not sure how you're going to stop this in America other than telling people to stop holding open air rallys.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Not sure how you're going to stop this in America other than telling people to stop holding open air rallys.

But they don't want to stop it. They want more of it. These are the GOP's "fine good people"

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

He's currently holding a press conference.

Absolutely unacceptable how long it took.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Absolutely unacceptable how long it took.

Not really IMO. He probably wanted to get as much reliable information as he could about the situation before commenting.

[JPhillips]

Nonsense. He was being briefed and communicating with Trump's team. There's no benefit to jumping out first and getting things wrong.

[Ghost Econ]

And here I thought not buying Jack Nicklaus 4 at Goodwill for 50¢ was going to be the worst part of my day. Instead someone fails to kill Trump and kills an innocent bystander, then my daughter has a panic attack at the state swim meet and I'm not there.

[Lathum]

He could have easily come out minutes after it happened, condemned it, then said he would brief the nation once he had more information.

[JPhillips]

And what would that have accomplished? Not everything has to move at the speed of twitter.

[JPhillips]

The pictures of the rooftop and the body of the shooter are shocking. He wasn't exactly well-hidden.

[CrimsonFox]

hypothesis:

Every trump rally from now on will have 75% of the crowd packing and some will open carry. This will cause everyone to draw weapons at the slightest flinch and the dumber of those opening fire every speech. All MAGAs are wiped off the planet in 28 days.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

And what would that have accomplished? Not everything has to move at the speed of twitter.

I would have shown the president is available and ready to address the nation at a moments notice in a crisis.

Do you not realize the narrative is going to be he needed to be woken up?

[GrantDawg]

Now that we know it was a sniper, man that came close. It was a tough shot that nearly got there.

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[cartman]

some outlets (TMZ being one. I know...) are stating a secret service person as saying Trump's wounds were caused by pieces of a shattered teleprompter that was hit by a bullet

[GrantDawg]

Seen on twitter:
"It would be wild if this ends up being over Jody Foster."

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The pictures of the rooftop and the body of the shooter are shocking. He wasn't exactly well-hidden.

Nor was he far away. WTF does the Secret Service even do?

[Lathum]

This is the most nervous and concerned I have been about our nation since 9/11

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Nor was he far away. WTF does the Secret Service even do?

Deep state

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Seen on twitter:
"It would be wild if this ends up being over Jody Foster."

Not nearly as good as the fact that "Ben Simmons" is trending now.

Which, of course, is silly. We all know Simmons wouldn't have taken the shot.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This is the most nervous and concerned I have been about our nation since 9/11

i don't know why. everything about it is business as usual

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Not nearly as good as the fact that "Ben Simmons" is trending now.

Which, of course, is silly. We all know Simmons wouldn't have taken the shot.

Markelle Fultz is the better joke but about 4 years too late.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Markelle Fultz is the better joke but about 4 years too late.

The first version of that I saw was Bronny, so there was a contemporary version.

edit to add: there's also a Klay Thompson version

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The first version of that I saw was Bronny, so there was a contemporary version.

edit to add: there's also a Klay Thompson version

it was a brony?

[NobodyHere]

Are we sure the shooter isn't MJ4H?

[GrantDawg]

He refused to accept his banning.

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[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

the Secret Service has had so many problems over the past decade or so. People getting into the residence, prostitution scandals, drug use, now this. It's well past time they get shaken to the core.

just thinking....this is probably a good indication of how much they don't want to defend trump since he's hated by so many

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Are we sure the shooter isn't MJ4H?

maybe edward just to start another thread (j/k)

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

just thinking....this is probably a good indication of how much they don't want to defend trump since he's hated by so many

They're cops. They love the guy but are just incompetent.

Except maybe this guy who got a shot off really fast.

BREAKING: Video of Secret Service sniper taking out gunman pic.twitter.com/mzoUzdNKJk

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) July 14, 2024

[GrantDawg]

Seems Biden was at mass when the shooting happened, which was why it took some time for him to release a statement and speak.

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