Official 2010-11 College Basketball Thread

[Dr. Sak]

I never thought I would get to see Penn State play in the Big Ten championship in basketball. Great weekend in Indy...and it was a good thing I was drunk for the Wisconsin game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Anyone know a coach?

I hear Hewitt might be able to work cheap

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

LET'S GO FLYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, so much for that. A chance to defend our NIT crown is not what most fans had in store for this season.

But Richmond is a VERY good defensive team, so frankly I would not bet against them in the first round of the tourney.

[muns]

Oklahoma has fired Jeff Capel as its basketball coach, a source confirmed to CBSSports.com on Monday.

The school is expected to announce the change soon.

Capel coached Oklahoma for five seasons and took the Sooners to the Elite Eight two years ago with Blake Griffin. But Capel has gone 9-23 in the Big 12 the past two years and dealt with off-the-court issues stemming from a financial advisor giving money to Tiny Gallon's family before the McDonald's All-American enrolled at OU. Gallon turned pro after one season with the Sooners.

Capel spent four seasons at VCU before getting the Oklahoma job.

He was Kelvin Sampson's replacement at OU.

Interesting change here. I don't have strong feelings either way here, but he hasn't done much post Blake Griffen I guess.

Source: OU fires Capel - CBSSports.com

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by muns

Interesting change here. I don't have strong feelings either way here, but he hasn't done much post Blake Griffen I guess.

Source: OU fires Capel - CBSSports.com

I can see where Oklahoma is coming from on this one - they've had enough success under Tubbs and Sampson since the mid-'80's that Capel's record post-Griffin just wasn't going to cut it. I don't follow Oklahoma basketball closely enough to know how well he's recruited the last few years, so while firing him after 2 bad years seems a little quick, maybe the administration has reason to believe it's not going to immediately improve.

[Honolulu Blue]

A few questions from a fair weather fan:

* Can a team decline an NCAA bid and take an NIT bid instead? Economically at least, it might be better to be a #1 seed in That Other Tourney and get at least one home game than to send the team who knows where and face a team that's probably better than yours.

* If an auto-bid team declines, then does the runner-up go instead? Or do they take another at-large team?

* Are there examples of teams that have declined NCAA bids in the past, oh, 50 years? Links please.

* As a fan, would you rather have your team play the extra game in Dayton as, for example, a 12a seed facing a 12b seed that's about at your level? Or would you rather have the #12 seed outright and take your chances against #5?

[MrBug708]

Loyola, Mississippi State, Dayton, University of Houston, St. John's and Marquette have all refused NCAA invites.
It was 49 years ago and all went to play in the NIT instead

[cartman]

No, a team can't reject a bid to the NCAA tournament. The rule was put in place after #8 Marquette turned down a bid in 1970 because they didn't like their seeding and chose to play in the NIT. That rule led to the anti-trust lawsuit which ended up with the NCAA buying the NIT.

National Invitation Tournament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Honolulu Blue]

Originally Posted by cartman

No, a team can't reject a bid to the NCAA tournament. The rule was put in place after #8 Marquette turned down a bid in 1970 because they didn't like their seeding and chose to play in the NIT. That rule led to the anti-trust lawsuit which ended up with the NCAA buying the NIT.

Thanks for the quick reply and the history lesson. Buying the competition in order to avoid an antitrust suit... that's so shady.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like my comments concerning Anderson and Arkansas not having any shot if Pelphrey was fired this year were correct. Anderson's agent was approached this weekend and was told there was no interest in the Arkansas job.

I think the rumors of any interest are more Razorback fan-driven than anything else at this point.

Edit: Literally one minute after I post, a Twitter comes through saying Tubby Smith may be the hire.

http://twitter.com/MattJonesCBS

[RedKingGold]

Sources close to me indicate Anderson was very interested in Arkansas, but the team decided to go in a different direction.

[MJ4H]

I've been travelling all day today, but gotten a few messages from some people about Tubby. There indeed does seem to be a lot of smoke around this one, but some think it is a smoke screen and not a fire. We will see. Tubby was #2 on my personal list behind Turgeon, fwiw. I'd be thrilled. Not saying there aren't concerns, but I'd be pretty happy with this hire.

(FTR, and I think I've said this before, I've never really wanted Mike Anderson--I think he had a shot here to show what he could do when Nolan was mailing it in his last few years--he'd be an upgrade over Pelphrey, for sure, but he would be down on my list pretty far)

One possible big positive for Tubby is that a lot of people think he would have a good shot at keeping most of our recruiting class intact (Aaron Ross has already said he's staying, Tubby almost nabbed Hunter Mickelson anyway, BJ Young and Ky Madden are on record as saying they want to play an up-tempo style, etc.). I'm hopeful that he can keep those 4 at least.

[jbergey22]

Tubby is posturing for a contract extension and new practice facility IMO. He brought it up during the Big Ten tournament that he would like a contract extension.

[TargetPractice6]

I wouldn't count on Tubby to sign/maintain any sort of recruiting class. I still think Tubby is a great coach and a class act, but recruiting is not his strong suit. Also, he in no way employs an up-tempo style of basketball.

[Swaggs]

Sidney Lowe has resigned from NC State: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/03/...oon-today.html

The article lists Sean Miller of Arizona and Mark Turgeon of Texas A&M as the top targets. I think they'll have a tough time getting established, power conference coaches like those guys to listen after chasing Sendek out.

[muns]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Sidney Lowe has resigned from NC State: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/03/...oon-today.html

The article lists Sean Miller of Arizona and Mark Turgeon of Texas A&M as the top targets. I think they'll have a tough time getting established, power conference coaches like those guys to listen after chasing Sendek out.

Wasn't Sean's Brother Archie on Sendek's staff when he got forced out???

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by TargetPractice6

Also, he in no way employs an up-tempo style of basketball.

Unless you compare him to the rest of the Big Ten.

[Lathum]

Why on earth would Miller want to leave Arizona to go to NC state?

[jbergey22]

Tubby News

Tubby Smith expects to be back at Minnesota

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Why on earth would Miller want to leave Arizona to go to NC state?

Yeah, I'm not seeing any good reasons why he would do so. Seems like a backward step. And at this point, it would probably be a backward step for Turgeon too. NC State fans are probably going to have to get used to less established guys as the realistic targets...

[muns]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Yeah, I'm not seeing any good reasons why he would do so. Seems like a backward step. And at this point, it would probably be a backward step for Turgeon too. NC State fans are probably going to have to get used to less established guys as the realistic targets...

I cant wait to see what big time coach wants to go work for Debbie Yow. She killed relationships at Maryland with all of her tier one head coaches and tried to push out a legend of the game. All any basketball coach needs to do is call Gary Williams up and they will find out all they need to know about how she handles her business. I dont think its going to be as easy as she thinks its going to be as she has pubically stated that she wants to go after coaches that are currently coaching in the NCAA tourament.

From ESPN

Yow said most of the coaches she'd like to interview are in the NCAA tournament, so she couldn't offer a timetable on when she'd hire a replacement. She admitted having a short list of possible candidates, that she would be "trying like crazy" to get one of them

[Young Drachma]

Wichita State's coach might end up being a target for that gig after all of the big names say no thanks. Maybe Shaka Smart at VCU?

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Wichita State's coach might end up being a target for that gig after all of the big names say no thanks. Maybe Shaka Smart at VCU?

Yeah, State's going to have loads of fun finding someone, especially with the Sendek fiasco so fresh in everyone's minds. Going to have to be an up-and-comer from the non-BCS-conferences, or some young assistant wanting to establish themselves and willing to take the risk.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by muns

Wasn't Sean's Brother Archie on Sendek's staff when he got forced out???

I'm not positive, but I think you are right.

I know that Sean got his start under Sendek, so I cannot imagine him having good feelings for the way that he and his staff were treated.

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Yeah, State's going to have loads of fun finding someone, especially with the Sendek fiasco so fresh in everyone's minds. Going to have to be an up-and-comer from the non-BCS-conferences, or some young assistant wanting to establish themselves and willing to take the risk.

I still think NC State is a pretty good job, so I imagine that just about any assistant (with any ambitions of ever becoming a HC) would be willing to accept the challenge. I would just worry that Yow is going to end up trying to get a successful, established BCS-type and miss out on some of the more promising, in-demand candidates.

[muns]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm not positive, but I think you are right.

I know that Sean got his start under Sendek, so I cannot imagine him having good feelings for the way that he and his staff were treated.



I still think NC State is a pretty good job, so I imagine that just about any assistant (with any ambitions of ever becoming a HC) would be willing to accept the challenge. I would just worry that Yow is going to end up trying to get a successful, established BCS-type and miss out on some of the more promising, in-demand candidates.

I'm with you there as well. I don't see the ousting of Herb and his staff as a positive for Sean to jump on the bandwagon. Couple that with Yow and I think that rumor is DOA.

I also agree that the NC State job is a good one, however I don't think Debbie is going to be on board with going after an up and coming assistant. I think she thinks she is going to get a good established coach(what the job would usually command) and I just don't see that happening strictly because of the way she is, and how she treats her tier one coaches. As a side note, she has done a fantastic job of hiring non tier one sports coaches, and has won several national championships in those areas. It's weird how on one hand you have how great she is spotting coaching talent and on the other hand(at the exact same time) she has been ripped apart for the way she handles people.

I also can't help but throw this out there. I think the way NC State handled the Herb Sendek thing was one of the crappiest and most idiotic moves I've seen in a while. I think they deserve to stay down in the dumps a bit longer for thinking that they were better than what he made them, however I also think them getting Yow as AD is punishment enough. Sidney Lowe is a good individual and a big man for the way he just stepped down, but now they are back in the same boat as they were when they hired him (over inflated opinion on their own program and unrealistic expectations). Yow doesn't help this situation as she needs to prove her worth. isn't this her first big hire there??? So this in my eyes has the potential to be a disaster all over again.

[DeToxRox]

There is a report just breaking that Bruce Pearl is out as Tennessee's coach.

[DeToxRox]

Apparently the Pearl firing came from a guy interviewing Chris Lowe in Tennessee reporting Low said Pearl was fired on his show. Feldman talked to Lowe who said he isn't reporting Pearl is fired at this point. Seems inevitable though.

[muns]

It came from the freaking AD...... IMHO the AD needs to go as well. How in the hell do you let this go on all year (i.e. you keep your trap shut about all of it) then wait 48 hours before their first round game and you say Pearl might be out..... Is he an idiot or is it just me???

[wade moore]

W&M's incoming recruit G Marcus Thornton was just named Maryland Player of the Year.

I know this stuff happens all of the time for schools that people on here are fans of, but this is HUGE for W&M.

http://playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/..._MThornton.pdf

[MJ4H]

A couple of people I've seen be right before are reporting that Mike Anderson has been hired. We will see. This is just rumor right now, but they are stating it as fact.

[Logan]

I will literally giggle if that happens.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Logan

I will literally giggle if that happens.

Yeah me too. Like I said, he isn't really even who I want for our coach, but it would be pretty hysterical.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Logan

I will literally giggle if that happens.

Giggle?

I will literally flop around on the ground for hours laughing.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

A couple of people I've seen be right before are reporting that Mike Anderson has been hired. We will see. This is just rumor right now, but they are stating it as fact.

Are his best friends two children also transferring with him?

EDIT: Not sure if Anderson's system is really coming to its own here at Mizzou but just like you would think it was funny if he went there (even though he isn't your choice) I would love it if he didn't purely to lower your different sources batting average to under .100.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Giggle?

I will literally flop around on the ground for hours laughing.

Come on wade, now you're just being mean.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by muns

It came from the freaking AD...... IMHO the AD needs to go as well. How in the hell do you let this go on all year (i.e. you keep your trap shut about all of it) then wait 48 hours before their first round game and you say Pearl might be out..... Is he an idiot or is it just me???

No, it isn't just you. Hamilton is an idiot. He's even dumber than Pearl is dirty & if you had to fire just one then Hamilton deserves to go first. And I'm saying that as someone who has become very much afraid that Pearl is a seriously crooked guy.

Meanwhile multiple sources tell the Knoxville paper that Hamilton has reached out to Pearl twice to apologize for the untimely remarks.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Giggle?

I will literally flop around on the ground for hours laughing.

Maybe Mizzou can hire W&M's head coach as a bench coach.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by panerd

Are his best friends two children also transferring with him?

EDIT: Not sure if Anderson's system is really coming to its own here at Mizzou but just like you would think it was funny if he went there (even though he isn't your choice) I would love it if he didn't purely to lower your different sources batting average to under .100.

Again, these are not my sources, these are just people on a message board. Everything I quote is not "my sources." Go look for yourself.

We hired Mike Anderson

PianoMo and duckman on that board are two people that are pretty plugged in to what is going on. I'm basing this on their reputation.

But they are not "my sources."

The only time I've quoted a personal source on here is last year when I said I knew for a fact that Mike Anderson would've accepted the job if we had offered. I know because someone my wife works with was in the room for the phone conversation. I actually told other people on the board who that person was.

For the record, I wasn't wrong.

That is the only "source" that I personally have. You want to make an issue with the Arkansas media's credibility? I'm 100% behind you. You want to say that random message board people can be wrong? I'm 100% behind you. But, I didn't claim either of those were my source.

I don't think this is the first time I've explained this to you.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by panerd

Maybe Mizzou can hire W&M's head coach as a bench coach.

W&M actually has a fantastic coach, Mizzou would be lucky to have him.

[wade moore]

As we've said a million times - sorry for the other Mizzou fans - but MBBF causes the rest of us to root for Mizzou misery - especially when it specifically flies in the face of things that MBBF has said (like that Anderson would never go to Arkansas because it is a "downgrade").

[panerd]

Originally Posted by wade moore

As we've said a million times - sorry for the other Mizzou fans - but MBBF causes the rest of us to root for Mizzou misery - especially when it specifically flies in the face of things that MBBF has said (like that Anderson would never go to Arkansas because it is a "downgrade").

I understand a few of you guys and your reasons for getting irritated with MBBF for being a homer. I just choose to side with MBBF in the years long debate with MJ4H about Mike Anderson. (and believe MJ4H is an even bigger homer even though that doesn't seem possible) His "sources" said the same shit last year. If you go search the thread for NCAA '10 tournament you will see the "done deal" and if I am wrong don't blame me blame my source bullshit that is happening this year. Mike Anderson is not going anywhere. This has also happened with Razorback football threads. Sorry but he is usually wrong and I am pretty certain he is wrong again. (A broken clock is correct more often than his Razorback "inside sources")

EDIT: In a couple of weeks when they do hire a coach it will be something along the lines of Mike Anderson would have come here but we got a better coach instead. It reeks of homerism and the SEC mentality that a similar job in the SEC is so much better than the exact same job in the Big 12. Before anyone jumps all over me I am not comparing Mizzou to Florida or Kentucky. I think it is very similar though to Tennessee and Arkansas.

[panerd]

Here is the thread from last year where the exact same posters debated the same thing. Interesting that Anderson is still at Mizzou and not Oregon or Arkansas. (or that Lane Kiffin and Tommy Tubberville aren't at Arkansas)

Official 2009-10 College Basketball Thread - Page 49 - Front Office Football Central

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by panerd

I understand a few of you guys and your reasons for getting irritated with MBBF for being a homer. I just choose to side with MBBF in the years long debate with MJ4H about Mike Anderson. (and believe MJ4H is an even bigger homer even though that doesn't seem possible) His "sources" said the same shit last year.

Nope. You just chose to read something I didn't write. I in fact said last year that he would say yes if asked. I also said our AD wasn't going to ask, but if he did Anderson would say yes.

Originally Posted by panerd

If you go search the thread for NCAA '10 tournament you will see the "done deal"

About what? About Mike Anderson being hired? Nope, never said that. Quote me. Didn't happen.

Originally Posted by panerd

and if I am wrong don't blame me blame my source bullshit that is happening this year.

My source has only been used once, and that is in the above. It was not wrong. I am not claiming a source on this, or on most things. I am merely repeating what is being said on message boards. The fact that you put more stock in that than you should is your fault. I put the disclaimer right there in the post.

Originally Posted by panerd

Mike Anderson is not going anywhere. This has also happened with Razorback football threads.

You might be right, but there are some people closer to it than you that disagree right now. I am not saying they are right, but I do know the people that are saying this and they are usually right.

Originally Posted by panerd

Sorry but he is usually wrong and I am pretty certain he is wrong again. (A broken clock is correct more often than his Razorback "inside sources")

I have been wrong about a few things, but the fact that you associate message board rumors that I stated as such as me being certain of something and reporting is fact is no one's fault but your own. Get over it.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by panerd

Here is the thread from last year where the exact same posters debated the same thing. Interesting that Anderson is still at Mizzou. (or that Lane Kiffin and Tommy Tubberville aren't at Arkansas)

Official 2009-10 College Basketball Thread - Page 49 - Front Office Football Central

Yes by all means read that thread. You will see the following:

1) that there stupid people at the time that couldn't read what I was saying and thinking I was saying Mike Anderson was going to be hired. I was working trying to correct you and others then. I see it had no effect.

2) You will see that the local Arkansas media reported Tommy Tubberville was hired. I was merely repeating that. As I said earlier, if you want to take that up with them, feel free. I am 100% on your side. I don't think I can be faulted when the local TV stations were reporting it. If you want to blame that one on me, whatever.

3) You will also see that I never said Lane Kiffin was hired as the coach.

So, what now?

[MJ4H]

And I love that the second post in the thread at the spot to you linked to was me correcting you on two of these three points A YEAR AGO.

Sheesh, man.

And here is me trying, in vain obviously, to get you to understand that you weren't even reading what I was saying properly. A year later, and you still don't understand what I was saying.

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Official 2009-10 College Basketball Thread

Please slow down and actually read. Stop being offended and pissed off and you will see this.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Yes by all means read that thread. You will see the following:

1) that there stupid people at the time that couldn't read what I was saying and thinking I was saying Mike Anderson was going to be hired. I was working trying to correct you and others then. I see it had no effect.

2) You will see that the local Arkansas media reported Tommy Tubberville was hired. I was merely repeating that. As I said earlier, if you want to take that up with them, feel free. I am 100% on your side. I don't think I can be faulted when the local TV stations were reporting it. If you want to blame that one on me, whatever.

3) You will also see that I never said Lane Kiffin was hired as the coach.

So, what now?

It's stupid to debate just like last year as you just use circular logic. If Anderson goes to Arkansas you were right and if he doesn't it isn't because you were wrong but because it wasn't offered. Fine my sources say that Bill Self will leave KU (or insert any coach from any school) for Mizzou if Anderson bolts. If he doesn't he really wanted to but Mike Alden (Mizzou's AD) didn't offer him the job.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

And I love that the second post in the thread at the spot to you linked to was me correcting you on two of these three points A YEAR AGO.

Sheesh, man.

And here is me trying, in vain obviously, to get you to understand that you weren't even reading what I was saying properly. A year later, and you still don't understand what I was saying.

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Official 2009-10 College Basketball Thread

Please slow down and actually read. Stop being offended and pissed off and you will see this.

It was more of me linking to you saying the exact same bullshit you are saying this year about Anderson wanting to come to Arkansas. If he wants to go he will go if he doesn't he won't. You can't claim that he craves your basketball job but turns it down year after year for other reasons.

EDIT: I guess you can claim it all you want. (You seem to have no problem doing that) But here we are one year later and you are still wrong.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by panerd

It's stupid to debate just like last year as you just use circular logic. If Anderson goes to Arkansas you were right and if he doesn't it isn't because you were wrong but because it wasn't offered. Fine my sources say that Bill Self will leave KU (or insert any coach from any school) for Mizzou if Anderson bolts. If he doesn't he really wanted to but Mike Alden (Mizzou's AD) didn't offer him the job.

It isn't about being right or wrong. It is about the information at the time. If it's stupid to debate it, don't waste your time. I am telling you it was 100% factual. You can choose not to believe it if you want. You can say you don't believe it if you want. Whatever.

But it isn't exactly fair to change it to different information so you can say it was wrong. It doesn't work that way.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by panerd

It was more of me linking to you saying the exact same bullshit you are saying this year about Anderson wanting to come to Arkansas. If he wants to go he will go if he doesn't he won't. You can't claim that he craves your basketball job but turns it down year after year for other reasons.

EDIT: I guess you can claim it all you want. (You seem to have no problem doing that) But here we are one year later and you are still wrong.

1) I'm not claiming anything like what I claimed last year. I wonder how, at this point, you can still not get that. Last year it was "I have a guy that was in the room during the phone call, and Mike Anderson would say yes if he were offered the job."

Now, he was not offered the job (see, Pelphrey wasn't fired. That was easy wasn't it).

2) This year the claim is "people on a message board are saying Mike Anderson has been hired."

How is that the same thing? It's not.

3) What exactly was I wrong about?

[MJ4H]

I'd like to reiterate that I don't really want Mike Anderson as coach. I would support him and get behind him 100%, but there are a number of people I would prefer to be our coach that would likely come if asked.

I actually hope these rumors are wrong. I just happen to think it would be really funny if they were true.

Either way, I know this: since panerd got all worked up again, he will look back at these 5-10 posts as me visciously defending "my source" again instead of frustratingly trying to get him to read.

Whatever.