Mixed Martial Arts Thread (UFC and others)

[SirFozzie]

wow, guess I was wrong. Talk about your pyrrhic victories.. get your ass kicked, face turned into hamburger, and off to the hospital and win on a technicality.

Edit: I don't really think the illegal elbow was the one that did the cut.. no doctor would have let it continue, even if it got there.. Wouldn't be surprised to see them make it a no contest or something.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Terrible decision. And a terrible show.

weird. I thought it was the right call.

[Flasch186]

did i hit pause on the DVR?

[EagleFan]

Are they going to show this fight or just pictures of the fighters?

[sovereignstar]

He was finished before the "illegal" elbows. If that's what they have to do, then that's what they have to do. However, that rule is totally retarded.

[JS19]

Seriously, how did some, actually most, of these guys make it on TUF.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

He was finished before the "illegal" elbows. If that's what they have to do, then that's what they have to do. However, that rule is totally retarded.

True, but it was a stupid decision to throw those elbows at that point.

[SirFozzie]

Ortiz v Liddell in Season 11 of TUF, eh?

[cthomer5000]

Roy Nelson chooses to enter to "Fat" by Weird Al. heh

[Schmidty]

I'm bummed that the fat fuck won, but he deserved it. Having said that, I would never buy a PPV if were to ever headline it. Boring as hell.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm bummed that the fat fuck won, but he deserved it. Having said that, I would never buy a PPV if were to ever headline it. Boring as hell.

Yeah, unfortunately... like most greats in any sport... highly effective does not always equal highly entertaining.

[AlexB]

It was a tough fight to score, but the only period of dominance was Kimbo's, so you can't really begrudge him the win when bugger all happened for the rest of it.

Interesting couple of tweets from Dana White (I can't work out which fight this was?). I've reordered them so they read top to bottom.

danawhite
Illegal knee instantly that mazzagatti doesn't call even when he is staring right at them!

danawhite

I can't believe the nevada state athletic comm puts him in there!!!! Guy knows nothing about MMA. Scary about 13 hours ago from Tweetie

[sovereignstar]

I don't have a problem with the Slice scoring now that I know a 10-10 score is possible.

[Calis]

Kimbo/Houston was pretty embarassing. I'd be surprised if Houston fights again in the UFC, and while Kimbo probably shouldn't he's obviously a draw and will be back until he gets embarassed. If he's going to stick to Heavyweight I have no clue who he would fight next. They'll either bring in a former name or maybe do another catchweight fight. He showed some growth at least and a semblance of a ground game, but against Houston who is quite possibly the worst ground fighter in MMA that's not saying much. I can't fathom what Houston was doing there, he goes for the leg kicks to chop him down and when he does floor Kimbo he just stands there. Mind boggling.

John Jones looks very legit. Losing that fight means nothing. He was obviously more impressive, and had the win regardless of the elbows. Might be better off losing, as they won't throw him to the wolves quite yet. I'd like to see another middle tier type fight for him, maybe someone like Franklin. Guy has unbelievable potential for sure.

Edgar looked great. He is still a little small for 155 but that guy can fight. I'd really like to see him get the next shot at BJ(I don't see any way Diego wins next week so I'm assuming), but I'm sure Maynard will get the shot barring a loss in his next fight.

Nelson winning is no surprise, he was far and away better than anyone else on the show. The other TUF fights last night were pretty embarassing. Marcus Jones had a combination of the worst standup I've seen in a long time mixed with the laziest, slowest, and most telegraphed takedowns I've seen in a long time. The other fight was pretty awful as well.

Definitely the worst card in a while, especially after the lackluster on paper last few that ended up being fun to watch.

Next week has some great fights though, so that will hopefully deliver.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Calis

Kimbo/Houston was pretty embarassing. I'd be surprised if Houston fights again in the UFC, and while Kimbo probably shouldn't he's obviously a draw and will be back until he gets embarassed. If he's going to stick to Heavyweight I have no clue who he would fight next. They'll either bring in a former name or maybe do another catchweight fight. He showed some growth at least and a semblance of a ground game, but against Houston who is quite possibly the worst ground fighter in MMA that's not saying much. I can't fathom what Houston was doing there, he goes for the leg kicks to chop him down and when he does floor Kimbo he just stands there. Mind boggling.

John Jones looks very legit. Losing that fight means nothing. He was obviously more impressive, and had the win regardless of the elbows. Might be better off losing, as they won't throw him to the wolves quite yet. I'd like to see another middle tier type fight for him, maybe someone like Franklin. Guy has unbelievable potential for sure.

Edgar looked great. He is still a little small for 155 but that guy can fight. I'd really like to see him get the next shot at BJ(I don't see any way Diego wins next week so I'm assuming), but I'm sure Maynard will get the shot barring a loss in his next fight.

Nelson winning is no surprise, he was far and away better than anyone else on the show. The other TUF fights last night were pretty embarassing. Marcus Jones had a combination of the worst standup I've seen in a long time mixed with the laziest, slowest, and most telegraphed takedowns I've seen in a long time. The other fight was pretty awful as well.

Definitely the worst card in a while, especially after the lackluster on paper last few that ended up being fun to watch.

Next week has some great fights though, so that will hopefully deliver.

Agree with a lot of what you said.

- Kimbo should fight Mitrione next honestly. Just let him keep winning and all Mitrione does is bang anyway. Would be fun to watch. I think Kimbo is gonna be kept around to fight Chuck honestly. I think it'd be a huge PPV draw for the morbid curiosity of it all.

- Jones is insane. Only 22? Jesus. His future is mega fucking bright.

- Agree on Edgar. I think he should fight BJ/Diego's winner but obviously won't. Still, I expect him to get a shot by the end of the year.

- I don't think Schuab was bad. He impressed me for a guy who's fought no one really, and he is only what, 25? He has a bright future. He just got tagged by a wicked punch. He uses his jab really well though and is improving on the ground.

- Marcus has no chin and absolutely no striking. Good guy, but he won't ever win with that striking.

- Mitrione can be a fun guy to watch because he's gonna either KO you or get KO'd, but isn't very impressive.

- Wren has a future, hopefully he goes to Dream or somewhere and can develop.

- The others, meh.

[Calis]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

- I don't think Schuab was bad. He impressed me for a guy who's fought no one really, and he is only what, 25? He has a bright future. He just got tagged by a wicked punch. He uses his jab really well though and is improving on the ground.

Yeah I should have clarified, I meant the other TUF fights apart from Nelson/Schaub, not all the fighters except Nelson. Schaub looks to have pretty decent standup for someone relatively new to the sport, and if he can develop a decent takedown defense/ground game he can be pretty good. He appears to have the highest ceiling of the guys I saw last night(I didn't watch the season beyond a few episodes, so I can't speak too much).

Nelson is sort of how Danzig was his season. They're guys who were basically locks to win the show from the start barring an injury, but also guys who were molded enough that they're getting close to fully developed. I don't see Nelson growing a whole lot more as a fighter, whereas someone like Schaub definitely could improve leaps and bounds. Nelson is solid though and can beat a lot of the HW division right now, but that's not saying much.

I was actually happy to see Tito/Chuck named as the coaches. I don't care at all about the fight really, but I love that they're not putting either a title or top contenders on a long hold to do the show. Then again, I'm not a fan of the show so maybe people are up in arms about having two guys who aren't top of the heap.

I'm glad to see Forrest not put up for an immediate 3rd match with Tito also. I want to see him fight someone else higher up the ladder so we can get a gauge for where he's at. Maybe a fight like Rogerio? I think Rogerio knocks him out, but that would be a good win for Rogerio.

I'm actually really hoping for a Shogun win over Machida, and then a possible Shogun/Rogerio 2 match(The first one was one of my all-time favorites), or maybe Shogun/Rampage 2(The first one was pretty embarassing for Rampage). Some great matchups in that division no matter who wins the next few fights.

Is the new future dream match a more developed John Jones vs. Machida? I think so. In a couple years I'd love to see that.

[saldana]

did anyone else catch Mitrione's post match comment..."Marcus was a lot stronger than I gave him credit for, and you know, I have retard strength"

i rewound it 3 times to see if that was really what he said....i cant imagine that any of the sponsors liked that very much.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by saldana

did anyone else catch Mitrione's post match comment..."Marcus was a lot stronger than I gave him credit for, and you know, I have retard strength"

i rewound it 3 times to see if that was really what he said....i cant imagine that any of the sponsors liked that very much.

Something tells me UFC sponsors don't really worry about the PC police too much.

[thesloppy]

Condom Depot has withdrawn all ass-patch deals in the aftermath.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Something tells me UFC sponsors don't really worry about the PC police too much.

so you may have a point when it comes to the malt liquor sponsor, but Burger King?

[sovereignstar]

DID HE JUST SAY RETARD STRENGTH??? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I'M NOT BUYING BURGER KING ANYMORE

[saldana]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

DID HE JUST SAY RETARD STRENGTH??? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I'M NOT BUYING BURGER KING ANYMORE

that science genius may buy BK, but BK may not be happy with UFC...miller light was furious with lesnar after the bud light crack after he beat Mir and iirc, threatened to pull their sponsorship

[Flasch186]

totally different

[Calis]

I'd have to say using the phrase "retard strength" is about a 3 on a scale of 1-10 when it comes to offensive things that happen on TUF. I don't think it will even get mentioned. The fact it was said by a nobody helps also.

Especially since there is a minor hoopla(warranted or otherwise) because apparently Joe Brammer was being sponsored by a company that has Neo-Nazi ties or at least sponsors some Neo-Nazi bands. Not sure how valid this is, but I've read it a few different places now.

[Calis]

Henderson signed a 4 fight deal with Strikeforce.

I'd love to see Henderson vs. Mousasi. I hope that happens soon.

Hendo/Shields maybe also? That one doesn't seem too competitive to me though especially with Shields being undersized.

Nice marquee name for them though.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Calis

Henderson signed a 4 fight deal with Strikeforce.

I'd love to see Henderson vs. Mousasi. I hope that happens soon.

Hendo/Shields maybe also? That one doesn't seem too competitive to me though especially with Shields being undersized.

Nice marquee name for them though.

Yeah. What sucks about Strikeforce though is how shallow their roster is. So many fights are gonna either end up catch weight or with one guy adding/dropping to get to a class he doesn't usually fight in.

I guess for Hendo there is Mousasi, Shields, Babalau and I don't even know? King Mo maybe?

[Oilers9911]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm bummed that the fat fuck won, but he deserved it. Having said that, I would never buy a PPV if were to ever headline it. Boring as hell.

How can you call that knockout boring?

[dervack]

Originally Posted by Oilers9911

How can you call that knockout boring?

I think he just meant Nelson was boring. Which he really is.

[Flasch186]

I think Nelson is great and could be a lovable type if handled properly.

[Travis]

Worth remembering with the show setup that they're fighting on a compressed schedule. I mean he went in knowing he'd have to win 3 fights with a pretty short turn around time against a bunch of guys who look like they could knock you out with one good shot.

So then he gets a proper training camp/time amount and performs like that at the finale. I think that's a much better fight to judge his "excitement" level from than the one's on the show as he stated he was trying to get through as quickly/easily as possible. Sure some of that will crop up even if he only fights 3 times a year, but it's hard to fault the guy (from my perspective) for approaching the show like that.

That said, I thought he lost his second fight (Wren I think was the opponent's name) so I don't necessarily think he really deserved to be where he ended up and had he lost that fight his approach likely would have meant that he wouldn't have had a fight at the finale (maybe on the under card but I doubt that even) so it was a risky strategy.

I am curious if/when he'll rematch with Kimbo as I'm assuming they'll want to give Kimbo a chance to avenge his only "loss" in the UFC at some point.

[DeToxRox]

Mir just fucking tooled Kongo. Wow.

[Recoil]

WAR MIR

I hope he gets another shot at Lesnar

[thesloppy]

Gross.

[DeToxRox]

Well, no one is winning the 155 title until Penn moves up to 170. Penn is a totally different animal now with that boxing. He's just so fast. I really think Penn vs GSP needs to happen before a GSP vs Anderson fight.

[Recoil]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I really think Penn vs GSP needs to happen before a GSP vs Anderson fight.

QFT

Penn has no other serious challengers at LW.

[B & B]

Originally Posted by Recoil

QFT

Penn has no other serious challengers at LW.

Made a few quick bucks on Penn, and wont bet against him at this weight EVER.

[Recoil]

He was a steal at -240 or whatever the hell he was. It was easy money, anyways.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Gross.

I was slightly surprised the ref didn't stop the fight in the first 20 seconds.... and after 5 rounds of that beating he took, Sanchez probably wished he had. Oof... huge cut above his eye to add to a bleeding ear, split lip, two swollen eyes and a really bashed up nose.

Penn took him to school bigtime.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by saldana

so you may have a point when it comes to the malt liquor sponsor, but Burger King?

I'm saying brands affiliated with guys beating each other to death probably don't break a sweat when one of the fighters uses the term "retard strength." Do you really imagine there are watchdog groups out there that will pull them up on that specifically, but are fine with their affiliation with UFC in the first place?

[k0ruptr]

BJ!!! Hilo is very very happy tonite once again, and we also cannot figure out who if anyone can challenge him at 155.

[Calis]

I actually don't have much desire to see Penn vs. GSP again. He was completely manhandled last time, and that wasn't very long ago. I don't think there's anything wrong with a guy sticking to a weight class and just dominating. There's not much out there for him though, I want to see Edgar get a shot, and I'm sure Maynard is next in line if he beats Diaz. I don't think anyone is too excited for a potential Penn/Maynard fight though.

He is in a whole different class for sure.

If it was possible for Penn to cut a little more, I'd be more interested in the future to see a Penn/Aldo fight than Penn/GSP 3. Aldo needs a few defenses of his own first though, and Aldo is light for 145 already so that is probably less interesting in reality than it is in my mind.

Pretty fun card to watch overall, even though the three main fights went exactly how everyone would expect.

[PilotMan]

Mir looked good. I don't think that Kongo scared him at all, having been in there with Lesnar. Kongo just wasn't a threat.

Sanchez's gash was one of the biggest gashes I have ever seen in a fight, and that gash on Guida's head wasn't pretty either.

Kenny Florian is a badass, but still there isn't anyone who can match Penn anywhere. His boxing, especially at the end of the fight was outstanding, and that takedown defense is totally demoralizing.

Now next weekend, Strikeforce is running a very nice card as well. An easy one to pick, but still should be entertaining, and Thompson/Melendez could be exciting, and the return of Cung Le, who should dominate Scott Smith. Robbie Lawler on the card, as is King Mo and Jacare.

[sovereignstar]

YES..... YES.... YES!

[Flasch186]

that gash closed up nicely.

I want to add that GSP beat Penn greased up. PERIOD. Now that doesnt mean GSP wont win straight up in a rematch but I'll never get it out of my head the complete vaseline rubdown GSP got between rounds 2 and 3.

[Oilers9911]

Give me a break with that greasing nonsense. You think a little bit of vaseline made a difference? Rewatch the fight and see that it was wiped off by an official anyway. GSP handed Penn his ass and would do so again.

[JS19]

Speaking of GSP, what's the word on him? Haven't heard a thing about him lately.

[Flasch186]

eh, I watched the fight live and replays and it was obvious greasing at 2 breaks between rounds. That is why BJ's legs slipped off of GSP's shoulders when he was on his back. That being said, no need to give a break as Im not saying BJ would win should they fight again. I would just like to see it without vaseline other than that which is shoved down in gashes.

[Calis]

Originally Posted by JS19

Speaking of GSP, what's the word on him? Haven't heard a thing about him lately.

He has an appointment to murder Dan Hardy in March I believe it is.

[Calis]

Just saw some pretty big announcements. Unfortunately Little Nog pulled out of his fight with Vera so that is disappointing but they have replaced him with Jon Jones. That's a pretty good matchup, nice step for Jones without throwing him to the sharks.

Carwin vs. Mir also announced for Interim title at UFC 111. Glad to see it made.

[PilotMan]

GSP has been recovering from that groin injury that he got in his last fight.

Cain Velasquez has to be on the horizon after Carwin/Mir, assuming that Lesanr can't come back during the summer. Or he is Lesnar's opponent when he does come back, with the winner fighting Carwin or Mir. Personally, I think that Mir beats Carwin. He has no fear right now, and I think that Carwin is overblown.