08-17-2006, 09:23 PM | #1351 |
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Look, no offense to the deceased, but Blade throws a ton of theories out there. That is his game.
If we step back a bit, is there any reason to believe that he would know, for a fact, that Chief Rum was on the wolves' side? I don't see how, unless there are hidden roles and, at this point, I do not believe that there are, or else someone would have hopefully uncovered and revealed something of importance by now. I don't see Chief Rum as a better suspect than Molson or SnDvls right now. |
08-17-2006, 09:23 PM | #1352 | |
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yeah but i've already shown that i'm nothing special at this game yet. molson just seems *off* to me |
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08-17-2006, 09:25 PM | #1353 | |
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*shrug* I'd vote for any of the 3, although I guess SnDvls is significantly closer to being trusted on my list than the other 2. |
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08-17-2006, 09:25 PM | #1354 | |
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Sorry for the confusion. I was still building my case for SnDvls with that statement. |
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08-17-2006, 09:27 PM | #1355 |
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Does anyone else feel it is odd as shiat that SnDvls threw out a bunch of who would you vote for scenarios? He never does anything like that.
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08-17-2006, 09:27 PM | #1356 |
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5 of 12 players are suspect of molson it screams of baddie more than the big setup of blade last night
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08-17-2006, 09:29 PM | #1357 | |
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We've done real well going with the "obvious" choice so far. |
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08-17-2006, 09:29 PM | #1358 |
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i do agree with molson though, that we as villagers (whether he is one or not...i am still suspicious of him as this isn't an original thought of his) NEED to utilize the masons now. the fact that they know who each other are means that if we force a 2-3 way tie with statistically one mason in there they will know that one of those people is good, so they ought to have a better chance than our shots in the dark.
does that make any sense? I'm not sure how to put into words why i feel the masons ending up with ties is to our advantage...can anyone help? |
08-17-2006, 09:30 PM | #1359 | |
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I did it because we as villagers have nothing to go on in this game as far as we know. no seer no bodyguard if we don't start getting some discussion about people out there now it won't help down the road later. talk about me, heck talk about anyone...it will only help down the road as we have nothing else to go on right now. |
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08-17-2006, 09:30 PM | #1360 | |
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speak for yourself I didn't vote Blade |
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08-17-2006, 09:31 PM | #1361 |
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Do we think Reimann can determine whether a human is a mason or whether they are just humans or wolves?
I have been thinking about his role a bit, and one thing to think about is that, if he has managed to come across a wolf already, he would probably wait for that wolf to vote before placing his vote. So, he is probably not likely to have been the first person to vote in any of the past couple of days or in the next few OR he may be likely to change his vote to match that of the werewolf he "trusts." Although I probably just blew that for him. |
08-17-2006, 09:32 PM | #1362 | |
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08-17-2006, 09:32 PM | #1363 | |
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i agree with this. especially because our special ability people only come into play with ties, so it's more difficult to determine who is "safe" to trust through a voting record if we don't have any ties to go on. therefore all we have is discussion and throwing things out there and hopefully something someone throws out will resonate with someone else, or we'll hit on someone eventually. |
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08-17-2006, 09:32 PM | #1364 |
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Stupid question alert:
What are masons? |
08-17-2006, 09:34 PM | #1365 | |
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The fact that both you and SnDvls are suggesting that the masons all vote together, when it should be obvious that they would all already be thinking that, makes you two appear to be non-masons. Which isn't good in my book, since I know that I am one of the few non-masons and non-badguys remaining and that there can't be too many of us left. |
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08-17-2006, 09:34 PM | #1366 | |
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so we basically just have one more "shot in the dark" and we hafta hope we hit a baddie or else we're fucked and the game is over? |
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08-17-2006, 09:35 PM | #1367 | ||
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08-17-2006, 09:36 PM | #1368 | |
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Hmmm. I understand why you'd be relatively quiet in this game, but I'm not sure I buy that you didn't read the rules on post #1. |
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08-17-2006, 09:36 PM | #1369 | |
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See post 1 Masons are villagers who know each other - they know they are villagers, cannot pm, cannot reveal who they are, and have the ability to break tie votes. |
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08-17-2006, 09:36 PM | #1370 | |
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okay, just doing the math, not trying to put myself into any sort of COT and arouse suspiscion 3 masons + you+me+sndvls=6 good guys how many total players left? |
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08-17-2006, 09:39 PM | #1371 |
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does anyone want to do the dirty work and post a complete breakdown of how everyone has voted so far?
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08-17-2006, 09:39 PM | #1372 | |
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I never suggested this...please find a quote for me. |
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08-17-2006, 09:39 PM | #1373 | |
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I don't think so. Dracula doesn't know who the wolves are, so he can't vote with them. Reimann may or may not know who a wolf or wolves are, at this point, but it is doubtful he has found more than one at this point, as he would probably be looking at the same people that we have found suspicious (likely that Gramm and Blade were two of his picks) so that he could align with their votes. Both Dracula and Reimann are wildcards to the wolves at this point. The wolves probably have no more (I hope) than a 3 person voting block. We still have the masons working for us and they will not vote for themselves, so we have that going for us. I have no idea how many there are, but I would hope there are 3+, since we have no other way to help ourselves. |
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08-17-2006, 09:40 PM | #1374 |
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This is probably bad form, so I'm not suggesting it, but if all the villagers who aren't masons posted, "I am not a mason", then we'd have a pretty good idea of who's who. Sure, the 5 evil doers will try to screw it up, but I bet it would give us some good data. Of course, if we could actually knock of an bad guy, it would be even more effective.
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08-17-2006, 09:40 PM | #1375 | |
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08-17-2006, 09:40 PM | #1376 | |
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If there were 4 wolves and the Count, the game would be 5-5 and over??? If there are 3 wolves and the Count, it would be 4-6, with one of those 6 being Dr. R, working against us. We would know who a wolf is that jumped the tie. OR worse, Dr. R would make the power move jumping the tie and we would lynch him, which is yet again a villager and game over. NO I do not like the idea of setting up a tie right now. |
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08-17-2006, 09:42 PM | #1377 | |
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08-17-2006, 09:43 PM | #1378 | |
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the wording of this is confusing to me...explain? why would we know? the power move? |
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08-17-2006, 09:44 PM | #1379 |
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i wouldn't like to out a mason, but i'd like to investigate a bit and see if there's a way i can be more certain of who the masons are so i don't waste a vote on a mason...
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08-17-2006, 09:45 PM | #1380 | |
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Alright... this is earning you my vote. I am guessing you are either Reimann or Dracula, as I don't think a group of wolves would have allowed you to keep making this an issue. Vote Molson |
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08-17-2006, 09:45 PM | #1381 | |
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We would logically lynch that person next day and if that was Dr. R, we would be lynching our headcount thus ending the game. |
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08-17-2006, 09:47 PM | #1382 | |
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I guess I'm tying to think of ways where that's not necessarily true. Is there a way, statistically, that knowledge of masons would allow us one guaranteed wolf kill, that would be worth the wolves' slow subsequent extermination of masons. Probably not, but I'm just trying to spark some creativity in their usage. |
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08-17-2006, 09:49 PM | #1383 | |
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gotcha. i understand now. and yep, that makes sense FWIW, I've moved away from the idea of a tie. I just hope to hell that we can hit a baddie on this next vote or I think we may be close to finished. So I think I'll mull my vote over until the last minute tomorrow and see what develops tomorrow while I'm at work. Popular opinion seems to be leaning towards Molson, which is certainly a choice I could live with. But as I've stated, I could also live with a choice of ChiefRum or even Farrah. |
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Believe me, I completely understand about being quiet because you're getting the gist of the game, but some of the stuff just doesn't add up. I like you and all but frankly, I don't buy this excuse. You're a lot smarter than you're leading on. Quote:
I seriously doubt that, there are more important things than a chick fight at this point and Chief Rum's quote doesn't mean squat. |
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08-17-2006, 09:54 PM | #1385 |
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i guess if we had a small enough list of good suspects.
Night One - 3 way tie with 3 good suspects. Hypothetically we lynch one villager and the wolves kill one mason with the "4 wolves + dr reiman" scenario = 5-5 count and the game is over. Otherwise it's 6-4 with the "3 wolves+reiman" scenario and we have one more night. Thinking about this I don't think it would work, unless our numbers (or the wolves numbers) were really small. |
08-17-2006, 09:54 PM | #1386 | |
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Please - my statement hasn't helped/hurt anyone. If it was just wrong, so what. I'm reaching for anything. I'm sure some of the molson voters and just mistaken. But some of them are thinking, "well here's today's obvious mark - the villagers will blow another vote on him". |
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08-17-2006, 09:55 PM | #1387 |
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dola,
Hope your wife gets better Swaggs. |
08-17-2006, 09:56 PM | #1388 |
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swaggs please answer my question from post #1372
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08-17-2006, 09:56 PM | #1389 |
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Can someone review the case against Chief Rum for me? I admit I didn't read through some of this thread real carefully the past couple of days, although did try to at least skim every post, but he seems to be a popular choice for a few people.
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08-17-2006, 09:56 PM | #1390 |
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so do we find out after the game is over who everyone was? or not?
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08-17-2006, 09:59 PM | #1393 |
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cool. that should help us newb-villagers learn a bit more about things
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08-17-2006, 10:01 PM | #1395 | |
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*shrug* it feels almost like a promise to a dying friend at this point. but i guess that's silly and sentimental since blade isn't actually "dead" and i certainly don't want to waste my vote. but blade must have had a reason for thinking CR was a baddie. |
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08-17-2006, 10:02 PM | #1396 | |
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SnDvls, I glossed over this the first time around because I didn't want to draw attention to it, but I don't want to look guilty, so here goes: Your little game of "if you were a mason...", to me, is a very blatent attempt to try to out the masons by getting them to participate and then grouping them together to see whose choices match up. If you are a wolf, as I suspect you are, you would already know your fellow wolves and would be able to match anyone else that participated in it up, as they would obviously not choose other masons. |
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08-17-2006, 10:02 PM | #1397 |
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If anybody has any thoughts or concerns about playing this weekend please let me know. I can run a normal schedule, if everybody thinks they can play.
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08-17-2006, 10:04 PM | #1398 |
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finaly some good readin to do, 2 pages.
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08-17-2006, 10:04 PM | #1399 | |
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intriguing swaggs. but i suspect the vet among the wolves would already be scrutinizing the voting records to try to find the "mason bloc" then again, presuming there was someone at least remotely smart within the masons they would ensure that THEY at least would not vote with the other masons in order to keep themselves concealed. i'm not worried about all the masons being revealed. and if i'm the wolves i'm not worried about the masons either, at least not at this point, as we villagers havn't exactly had great success in finding the baddies and we're teetering on the brink anyways. |
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Swaggs, take this for what it's worth, since of course, this is me trying to clear myself, but I think a few people have fallen victim to the "I heard this guy screaming his accusation so much, I gotta believe him, right?" theory. As you said, Blade at no point presented anything of a case against me, or even much I could even defend myself. He just kept saying I was number one on his list for some reason. What few reasons he gave seemed pretty weak to me. I think it is far more likely Blade couldn't find too many incriminating things to say about anyone besides him and picked a couple (Anxiety and I) he thought he could yell about enough to sway us. It had nothing to do with any special inferences--he was just trying to save his butt by going after anyone but him. Notice his conviction wasn't so strong to stick on me when molson became a viable alternative earlier today.
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