Pro Wrestling Discussion Thread **Spoilers Possible**

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Some quality family time with my son afterwards, as the hour drive home just flew by and we were both kind of shocked to realize that we were home & had been talking non-stop the whole way.

Best part of the recap Glad you guys had fun together!

[JonInMiddleGA]

And now that I've read all the online recaps, backstage stuff and all that, I'm happy to report that we were on the side opposite where Kong was dumped over the top rope & missed her wardrobe malfunction entirely ... thank God.

[molson]

I wish Jon was my dad growing up. My older brother got me into wrestling, and I was right in the middle of WWF country in the mid-80s. But my parents would never, ever, let me go to a show at the Boston Garden. One time for my birthday, a friend's father got me tickets (he was going to take me and my friend) and they STILL didn't let me go. They wouldn't even let me go to a friends house if they had ordered a PPV, and were having a wrestlemania party or something. I've never completely forgiven them.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And now that I've read all the online recaps, backstage stuff and all that, I'm happy to report that we were on the side opposite where Kong was dumped over the top rope & missed her wardrobe malfunction entirely ... thank God.

what would have been worse, explaining it to your kid, or the nightmares it would have caused?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

what would have been worse, explaining it to your kid, or the nightmares it would have caused?

Probably the worst would have been trying to find my way out of the club level to the first aid station to get a ride to the hospital to get treatment for my suddenly vacant & burning eye sockets.

[JonInMiddleGA]

From pwinsider.com

In what isn't much of a surprise at this point, WWE.com has posted the following:

WWE has come to terms on the release of WWE Superstar Booker T and WWE Diva Sharmell as of October 27. We wish both Booker & Sharmell he best in all their future endeavors.

[DeToxRox]

And if you read TNA spoilers they've managed to undo most of the good that came out of BFG

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

And if you read TNA spoilers they've managed to undo most of the good that came out of BFG

NO NO NO NO NO.



Really?

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

NO NO NO NO NO.



Really?

If you're a Joe fan be ready for the impending feud with a guy whos name happens to rhyme with feud.

[DeToxRox]

Oh and everyones favorite Disco Stu impersonator is back in TNA

[DeToxRox]

ECW & SD are apparently going to be a joint brand as Sci Fi isn't sure they'll renew the ECW deal in December.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

ECW & SD are apparently going to be a joint brand as Sci Fi isn't sure they'll renew the ECW deal in December.

hip hip hooray!! now if they'll just combine two more all will be swell.

[DeToxRox]

And TNA outdoes themselves tonight with even more perplexing booking then last night

[JonInMiddleGA]

DeTox beat me to it I see.

Who the FUCK is booking this shit? Dusty fucking Rhodes?

Come out of a kickass PPV, manage to sell ME two shirts (not counting the two for my son) and then you try to pawn off idiotic bullshit like this as something worth watching? Fuck you Jeff Jarret, fuck you Vince Russo, fuck you Dutch Mantell, fuck you Kurt Angle, and fuck you Dixie Carter you dimwitted jocksniffing silverspooned twat.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

DeTox beat me to it I see.

Who the FUCK is booking this shit? Dusty fucking Rhodes?

Come out of a kickass PPV, manage to sell ME two shirts (not counting the two for my son) and then you try to pawn off idiotic bullshit like this as something worth watching? Fuck you Jeff Jarret, fuck you Vince Russo, fuck you Dutch Mantell, fuck you Kurt Angle, and fuck you Dixie Carter you dimwitted jocksniffing silverspooned twat.

And to make matters worse the rumored mystery man at the next PPV is Scott Hall lol

[Comey]

Where are the spoilers? I'd like to see them.

Can someone provide a link?

[DeToxRox]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/ne...(SPOILERS).htm

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/ne...(SPOILERS).htm

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Comey

Where are the spoilers? I'd like to see them.

Can someone provide a link?

Try tnawrestlingnews.com (just make sure you've got a pop-up blocker working)

[Comey]

Thanks. What a load of crap.

[molson]

Davari released by the WWE today also.

I still hope we see Muhammad Hussan again someday - the guy was a decent wrestler, but had very good charisma and was a heat machine whenever he did anything.

Maybe I'm old school - but the fact that we don't have any big-time middle eastern heels on the wrestling scene just seems......wrong.

[molson]

A few more details on Teddy Hart, which I found amusing - from PWInsider:

"While Teddy Hart had been very much more behaved than in previous years, this was just a case once again of Teddy being Teddy. While in developmental recently during the course of matches, Teddy would randomly springboard in off the ropes or do unexpected moonsaults, etc.. Basically going in to business for himself. He would be admonished, reprimanded, and told that he can not do that. Then at the next show he'd do it again. If WWE instructed everyone to dress business casual, Teddy would show up in his glittery pink outfits and so on and so forth.

The breaking point was when Teddy was admonished and told he needed to learn better ring psychology, and he gave what was described as "A Teddy Hart Answer". Vince McMahon was in one of his "on the warpath" moods on that day during talent evaluations, and it was decided that Teddy was not worth the trouble.

Following his release he's contracted TNA, to which Mike couldn't get any answers in regards to a possible deal there. He also contacted Ring of Honor several times, who immediately said they had no interest. He also contacted Jersey All Pro, and Mike expects to see him showing up there.

Just Teddy being Teddy."

[JonInMiddleGA]

{checks calendar} Nope, it's not April 1st.

I can only hope that this is either some sort of joke or that someone has hacked their site or something but ... well, let's just say that it doesn't really surprise me all that much at this point. Sigh.

http://www.tnawrestlingnews.com/head...94672371.shtml
TNAWrestlingNews.com has learned that TNA is apparently talking to former WCW World Heavyweight champion David Arquette.

Arquette called Jonny Fairplay about managing him.

We'll have a full detailed update on this here on TNAWrestlingNews.com on Friday.

[molson]

I really hate that that got leaked.

Now TNA can't announce that they've signed a "former World Champion", try to sell a PPV based on that, and then have it be David Arquette.

[Neon_Chaos]

Harry Smith vs. Carlito on RAW!

[Neon_Chaos]

Wow. That Candice Michelle/Beth Phoenix segment reeked of HLA.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Wow. That Candice Michelle/Beth Phoenix segment reeked of HLA.

Brutal Fall at the end knocked her out. WWE.com says just a shoulder injury though:

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...lle-vs-beth-ph

[saldana]

Originally Posted by molson

Brutal Fall at the end knocked her out. WWE.com says just a shoulder injury though:

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...lle-vs-beth-ph

if she wasnt out cold, that was one of the best sells i have ever seen.

[saldana]

dola, and it appeared that those emts were actually doing their jobs right, as opposed to the ones that normally come out...again...if that was an angle, it was run better than anything i have seen them do before.

[JonInMiddleGA]

pwinsider now says concussion & broken clavicle for Candice Michelle.

[Toddzilla]

Sorry, not buying it. They've gone down that road way too many times. The referee giving the "X" sign with his forearms right in front of the camera was way too obvious.

Work work work work work work work work work work work work work work.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Sorry, not buying it. They've gone down that road way too many times. The referee giving the "X" sign with his forearms right in front of the camera was way too obvious.

Work work work work work work work work work work work work work work.

Did you see the bump?

I don't recall a fake injury every being reported as real by both WWE.com and pwinsider.

[Toddzilla]

Yeah, I saw it, and to be honest it reminded me of every in-ring injury angle the WWE has ever done. To me it looked scripted, from the bump all the way to the commentary to the backboard. We've seen angles like this to give wrestlers extended time off from injury, so nothing the WWE has done or is doing convinces me that this is even slightly real.

That being said, everyone on pwtorch.com is convinced it's legit, so I'll begrudgingly admit it's probably real, but that is in spite of what I saw on Raw, not because of it.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Yeah, I saw it, and to be honest it reminded me of every in-ring injury angle the WWE has ever done. To me it looked scripted, from the bump all the way to the commentary to the backboard. We've seen angles like this to give wrestlers extended time off from injury, so nothing the WWE has done or is doing convinces me that this is even slightly real.

That being said, everyone on pwtorch.com is convinced it's legit, so I'll begrudgingly admit it's probably real, but that is in spite of what I saw on Raw, not because of it.

The bump was wicked. As much as the smart inside me would like to say it's a work, Candice didn't have her hands up, and she just landed face-first on the mat. I'm glad she's alright... but daaaaaaaaaaaamn, that must've hurt like a bitch.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Yeah, I saw it, and to be honest it reminded me of every in-ring injury angle the WWE has ever done. To me it looked scripted, from the bump all the way to the commentary to the backboard. We've seen angles like this to give wrestlers extended time off from injury, so nothing the WWE has done or is doing convinces me that this is even slightly real.

That being said, everyone on pwtorch.com is convinced it's legit, so I'll begrudgingly admit it's probably real, but that is in spite of what I saw on Raw, not because of it.

The WWE does the "serious hushed tone injury angle" way too often, so they sort of deserve this kind of reaction.

But there was little things that were different - trying to give her a water bottle, actually taking their time to get her on the backboard, etc.

But the bump was the thing. No one's ever taken a worked unprotected face first bump like that in the history of wrestling.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by molson

But the bump was the thing. No one's ever taken a worked unprotected face first bump like that in the history of wrestling.

Intentionally, anyway

[Toddzilla]

I actually like what Wade Keller had to say on the subject. Paraphrasing, he suggests that with the rising popularity of MMA, fans would accept a referee simply running over, covering up the wreslter, and calling for the bell. Problem is, the WWE would start to use it in angles, natch.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

I actually like what Wade Keller had to say on the subject. Paraphrasing, he suggests that with the rising popularity of MMA, fans would accept a referee simply running over, covering up the wreslter, and calling for the bell. Problem is, the WWE would start to use it in angles, natch.

It's actually weird that they insist on finishing matches when this happens. Beth Phoenix could have easily made the injury worse by pulling her hair and arm to bring her to the middle of the ring (and she wasn't exactly gentle).

And then there's Steve Austin actually getting a roll-up pin on Owen Hart a few seconds after breaking his neck.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by molson

It's actually weird that they insist on finishing matches when this happens. Beth Phoenix could have easily made the injury worse by pulling her hair and arm to bring her to the middle of the ring (and she wasn't exactly gentle).

And then there's Steve Austin actually getting a roll-up pin on Owen Hart a few seconds after breaking his neck.

In what could be considered the WEAKEST roll-up and pin in the history of wrestling!

[molson]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

In what could be considered the WEAKEST roll-up and pin in the history of wrestling!

Yes, though I prefer to look at is as the best roll-up and pin in the history of wrestling ever performed by a guy with a broken neck.

[Neon_Chaos]

Her feet caught the ropes. She landed on her face/shoulder. Goddamn. That must've hurt.

[SirFozzie]

Apparently they did a similar spot a few days ago... so it was a planned spot (that she would get caught on the top rope).. but a legitimate injury.

From a DVDVR thread (it's about a house show in Ireland)

Match 7 – Beth Phoenix v Candice Michelle for the Women’s Championship. This was a decent WWE women’s match, including Candice hitting a huracanrana from the top. There were two botched spots though, which almost made the match memorable for all the wrong reasons. Candice seemed to miss a headlock takedown, and landed hard on her back, which seemed to wind her for a little bit. But about 2 minutes before the end of the match, Candice was on the top and Beth went to crotch her, but Candice missed the top turnbuckle and fell face first to the mat, narrowly missing landing head and neck first. Thankfully she was ok. Beth pinned her shortly afterwards.

So apparently this was the 2nd time in a week they had screwed up the spot.

[Travis]

Yeah, I love how you can see her land *hard* on her left shoulder, then a hair pull and (left) arm yank to pull her out for the pin.

Nothing like complete disregard for any potential injury to just wrap up the match.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Y'know, the whole Angle-Sting-Nash mess is some horrible booking IMO and I don't see much that would redeem it.

That said however, I thought Don West actually did some of his best work as a solo commentator during Cornette's segment with Tenay. He's always, at least in theory I guess, been the "voice of the fan" and I thought his incredulous reaction to the decision was pretty appropriate for that role.

Sure doesn't make me feel better about the WCW-esque state of booking affairs (Dudleys vs the X-Division is actually even worse than the World Title mess) but it was a slim bright spot in the otherwise dismal picture.

(Yeah, I know how screwed you are when Don West is your bright spot)

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Expect to see Flair vs. Sting in TNA soon...

no proof, just a hunch.

Doesn't Sting need a partner for his next PPV?????


Once again: no proof, just a hunch

[JonInMiddleGA]

Can't see it happening 'Crow, and apparently neither can Flair. He's making that pretty clear as recently as last week. I've multiple reports on this interview with all having about the same take, just linking to the one that Googled up first.

http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/6772
I heard Ric Flair on "The Drive" on Fox Sports Radio around 2:45 PM CST, 10/19/07. He spoke about Benoit, his love for the WWE, how the 4 horsemen were created, Wrestlemania in Orlando, FL, and a caller asked him if he would ever go to TNA. He said he would never go to TNA. He said no disrespect to them but he is WWE for the rest of his career.

[finketr]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Y'know, the whole Angle-Sting-Nash mess is some horrible booking IMO and I don't see much that would redeem it.

That said however, I thought Don West actually did some of his best work as a solo commentator during Cornette's segment with Tenay. He's always, at least in theory I guess, been the "voice of the fan" and I thought his incredulous reaction to the decision was pretty appropriate for that role.

Sure doesn't make me feel better about the WCW-esque state of booking affairs (Dudleys vs the X-Division is actually even worse than the World Title mess) but it was a slim bright spot in the otherwise dismal picture.

(Yeah, I know how screwed you are when Don West is your bright spot)

so, nash gets pushed to main event for messing with the x-division . . . now it's the dudley's turn.. lovely... now i know why i fast-forward most of impact now...

depressing.

[finketr]

oh.. i look forward to spolierish type info along the lines of:

you must see the petey williams - aj styles match, for example.

[miami_fan]

WWE is saddened by the passing of Lillian Ellison, who was known to sports-entertainment fans as Hall of Famer Fabulous Moolah. She passed away last night in Columbia, S.C.

In the world of women’s wrestling, there will always be one irrefutable legend that stands head and shoulders above the rest: The Fabulous Moolah. She was the longest reigning champion in the history of her chosen sport, or any sport for that matter. And with more than 50 years in the business to her credit, she established a legacy that will never be forgotten, making her name synonymous with female wrestling.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/fabulousmoolahpasses

[JonInMiddleGA]

Credit where it's due, nice cheap heat line from Santino (in LA for Raw)

"Steve Austin is like Kobe Bryant. He's bald. He's popular. He doesn't want to be in Los Angeles."

edit to add: The rest of the segment was fairly predictable, stunner & all, but the beer truck with a hose wasn't a bad touch to finish it & Santino sold the comedy spot nicely, ass whip & all

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Credit where it's due, nice cheap heat line from Santino (in LA for Raw)

"Steve Austin is like Kobe Bryant. He's bald. He's popular. He doesn't want to be in Los Angeles."

edit to add: The rest of the segment was fairly predictable, stunner & all, but the beer truck with a hose wasn't a bad touch to finish it & Santino sold the comedy spot nicely, ass whip & all

they should have Santino ambush and ass whoop Austin soon, maybe with a little help from the legend killer. that would put massive heat on those 2