Survivor:Challenge/Common Thread (GAME OVER! FEED BACK WELCOME) - Page 28

KWhit · 02-09-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Wow, so we could have won it Barkeep?

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Depending on where you take the 1 point from, yes

I was thinking this referred to the revision.

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

OK, I'm trying to think of how I want to go about this. Barkeep said in the results that there was a last minute revision that made a big difference in some of the results. I assume that was Helsing?

why?

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 12:15 PM

Would a member of Oz be willing to go into further detail about how things went down after raiders got voted off ?

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

why?

If you don't want to have the discussion, fine, we don't have to. I'm not interested in a one-way conversation here.

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

If you don't want to have the discussion, fine, we don't have to. I'm not interested in a one-way conversation here.

whoa, how is it a one was conversation. You pointed out a theory andi asked you your reason why you thought that? Why so defensive?

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

OK, I'm trying to think of how I want to go about this. Barkeep said in the results that there was a last minute revision that made a big difference in some of the results. I assume that was Helsing?

Oddly enough, no. Our posting in the thread was just us having a little fun with you guys.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

whoa, how is it a one was conversation. You pointed out a theory andi asked you your reason why you thought that? Why so defensive?

I stated a premise and asked a simple question. If I'm going to have to defend every question then that's not a cooperative effort to find out if there is something going on or not. I'm not going to sit here and give out information and then have you guys judge it without a genuine give and take conversation. I don't think that's defensive of me at all.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

If you don't want to have the discussion, fine, we don't have to. I'm not interested in a one-way conversation here.

It's certainly not a one-way conversation. But you can see why the information we have about certain tribes might be more useful if other information within tribes is revealed first?

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Oddly enough, no. Our posting in the thread was just us having a little fun with you guys.

Who revised, then?

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Who revised, then?

Look at KWhit's post #1351. I think GE mentioned something about how they could have won. We at Helsing like to think we messed them up with our ruse!

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

If you don't want to have the discussion, fine, we don't have to. I'm not interested in a one-way conversation here.

One sec, I want to respond, but am on the phone (work stuff). give me a minute.

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I stated a premise and asked a simple question. If I'm going to have to defend every question then that's not a cooperative effort to find out if there is something going on or not. I'm not going to sit here and give out information and then have you guys judge it without a genuine give and take conversation. I don't think that's defensive of me at all.

I think we have been very co operative in sharing information, however, if we just volunteer what we found out last night then we are hurting everyone. The bottom line is this is an exchange of information and we have all the leverage and plan on using that for the good of everyone. Anyone who disagrees is very suspect IMO.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think we have been very co operative in sharing information, however, if we just volunteer what we found out last night then we are hurting everyone. The bottom line is this is an exchange of information and we have all the leverage and plan on using that for the good of everyone. Anyone who disagrees is very suspect IMO.

Nevermind. I'm annoyed. I'll be back later. If Jon wants to talk about it he's welcome to.

SnDvls · 02-09-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Look at KWhit's post #1351. I think GE mentioned something about how they could have won. We at Helsing like to think we messed them up with our ruse!

bolded is mine

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 12:29 PM

am I the only one missing why Path is annoyed?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:31 PM

So, SnDvls post here of your bid was a ruse, and not an accident?

SnDvls · 02-09-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

am I the only one missing why Path is annoyed?

I understand where's he coming from in that we are asking a lot of questions, but we need answers before we spill all the beans too to prevent the wolves from backtracking or coving their tracks too.

SnDvls · 02-09-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

So, SnDvls post here of your bid was a ruse, and not an accident?

it was decided as a team it would be a ruse and posted by me since I was new into the game and was cleared by Barkeep.

SnDvls · 02-09-2007, 12:32 PM

dola - I actually made the winning bids as well

st.cronin · 02-09-2007, 12:33 PM

I think the last minute revision was oz. We changed it at the last minute, and I think BK got a little confuzzled.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

So, SnDvls post here of your bid was a ruse, and not an accident?

Yeah. We thought we'd see if we could mess people up. Even after cronin said he submitted his answers, which made it seem like they wouldn't be swayed by us, and let everyone know that we really aren't supposed to post it, we figured we'd still do it just for giggles.

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 12:35 PM

I just want to reiterate that sndvls fake post was a team descion.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 12:36 PM

Ugh, I am dissapointed that path left before I got off my phone call that I said I wanted to talk more about it.

Basically we came up with our bids early early in the day. Our winning bid was probably put together around 10am in the morning by Sndvls originally and then we all went through the various ideas we had. Without going through the process of how we selected that bid, I'll say it was unchanged from some point midday on most likely.

The "ruse" bid that was put up was mostly for fun games more than anything, and was put together in the afternoon later at some point. We didn't touch anything or change anything in the last 6-7 hours of the contest.

I was hoping path would talk more about what happened in Howard and why he felt that way, but looks like he didnt want to talk to me.

st.cronin · 02-09-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

am I the only one missing why Path is annoyed?

no, I don't get it either

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

no, I don't get it either

Cronin, can you tell us what Raider's big suprise was? It sounds like its something that might be important.

st.cronin · 02-09-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Cronin, can you tell us what Raider's big suprise was? It sounds like its something that might be important.

To be honest, I'm not sure what GE is exactly talking about. We've had a lot of drama in the oz thread.

KWhit · 02-09-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

To be honest, I'm not sure what GE is exactly talking about. We've had a lot of drama in the oz thread.

Share please.

I spilled all of Lupus's beans.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:47 PM

I'll try my best to explain Howard's thinking in all this.

The fake post by SnDvls is pretty close to how we expected you guys to bid. When BK mentioned that one of the teams had changed their bids, we assumed it was Helsing. When the bids were announced, they were very close to ours.

Helsing:
Lesser Werewolvia - 6
Hornidia - 4
Lupinia - 5
Garouvia - 7
Lower Fang - 7

Howard:
Middle Werewolvia - 3
Hornidia - 4
Lupinia - 5
Garouvia - 3
Lower Fang - 6
Upper Fang - 5
Alpovia - 3

The bid that really caught our attention was the Lower Fang bid. A bid of 7 just beats our bid of 6. And while this was probably a coincidence, I hope you can see how this seems odd to us, especially since we thought you guys were the ones who had the redone bid. We thought that the wolves were communicating with each other and had fudged your bid to defeat ours. A Helsing win for that challenge would be huge for the wolves. Depending on how many wolves you have, the wolves could lie about the number of wolves in game, find out who had the idols, etc.

That was our thinking.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I'll try my best to explain Howard's thinking in all this.

The fake post by SnDvls is pretty close to how we expected you guys to bid. When BK mentioned that one of the teams had changed their bids, we assumed it was Helsing. When the bids were announced, they were very close to ours.

Helsing:
Lesser Werewolvia - 6
Hornidia - 4
Lupinia - 5
Garouvia - 7
Lower Fang - 7

Howard:
Middle Werewolvia - 3
Hornidia - 4
Lupinia - 5
Garouvia - 3
Lower Fang - 6
Upper Fang - 5
Alpovia - 3

The bid that really caught our attention was the Lower Fang bid. A bid of 7 just beats our bid of 6. And while this was probably a coincidence, I hope you can see how this seems odd to us, especially since we thought you guys were the ones who had the redone bid. We thought that the wolves were communicating with each other and had fudged your bid to defeat ours. A Helsing win for that challenge would be huge for the wolves. Depending on how many wolves you have, the wolves could lie about the number of wolves in game, find out who had the idols, etc.

That was our thinking.

Ok, I can understand that. Well our bids were available to our entire team for the majority of the day, so if you feel there was foul play, you can look at who convinced your team to go with those bids.. chances are we already had our bids in place.

I hope everyone will be happy with how we handled last night's reward soon, we were just waiting to understand what is going on with Raiders Army in case it influenced the way we did this any.

KWhit · 02-09-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I hope everyone will be happy with how we handled last night's reward soon, we were just waiting to understand what is going on with Raiders Army in case it influenced the way we did this any.

Yeah, I'm anxious to hear about the RA shocker too.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 12:52 PM

Alan, I think you're missing something that happened yesterday.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Ok, I can understand that. Well our bids were available to our entire team for the majority of the day, so if you feel there was foul play, you can look at who convinced your team to go with those bids.. chances are we already had our bids in place.

I think that's one reason path is upset. The lack of information about how you guys decided your bids was preventing us from looking back over our posts to see how/if our bids were fudged.

Plus it gets really frustrating to constantly hear about how your tribe should "take one for the team" just because we are small and don't have anything good (seer, idol).

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 12:53 PM

Oz, can you at least tell us why you're hesitant about giving us the RA info? Or at least a hint about it? I'd be inclined to understand some need for secrecy.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 12:55 PM

Mainly I'm worried if Raiders revealed that he was the seer or something along those lines, then perhaps it should be kept quiet.. I just was making sure it wasnt anything that will influence our reveal any about your and other teams.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I think that's one reason path is upset. The lack of information about how you guys decided your bids was preventing us from looking back over our posts to see how/if our bids were fudged.

Plus it gets really frustrating to constantly hear about how your tribe should "take one for the team" just because we are small and don't have anything good (seer, idol).

I can understand that feeling, JE. We're kind of in that boat ourselves -- we don't have anything helpful, either. I'm not saying you in particular should take one for the team. It might be better if another group does it.

st.cronin · 02-09-2007, 01:01 PM

Personally I don't really see a downside to being open about what has happened in our tribe, but some other guys do, and for now I'm going to respect their wishes.

I'll just say that it's a near lock that we still have our seer, and that Lathum is not a wolf.

st.cronin · 02-09-2007, 01:01 PM

dola, which is amazing

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 01:02 PM

Does anyone have a read on whether or not the wolves can communicate with each other?

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 01:03 PM

Also, is there a tribe that might not want its info revealed?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 01:05 PM

I have no problem with info regarding our tribe coming out.

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 01:06 PM

Laaaaathuuuuuuum check our tribe thread for a sec!

KWhit · 02-09-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Does anyone have a read on whether or not the wolves can communicate with each other?

Good question.

Also - what do we think the wolves' winning conditions are? Are they all out for themselves (a la Survivor) or is it a normal wolf victory if they get a 1:1 ratio with villagers.

If they are a true team, then it's likely they can communicate and be trying to influence who wins the challenges. So we might see a wolf actively sabotage their team's performance on a challenge. It might be our best way to identify one.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I have no problem with info regarding our tribe coming out.

Cool. How about the rest of you?

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

dola, which is amazing

no kidding

Alan T · 02-09-2007, 01:23 PM

Ok, basically this is what we did... As you know we had a good 5 or 6 questions we could have asked. We chose to ask only 2 questions. Instead of worrying about who might have an idol, or what the next reward challenge was or what happened in your particular tribe votes.. we wanted to know info about the wolves.

We knew there was a chance of us having a wolf, so we split the questions up in a way where we would have the least chance of someone lying.

Alan T asked how many wolves in Lupus
Lathum asked how many wolves in Oz
Passacaglia asked how many wolves in Helsing
Grammaticus asked how many wolves in Howard

Sndvls asked how many total wolves
Mr.W asked one of the above 5 questions but not telling us which one until after we all revealed.

Our numbers of wolves and total wolves matched, and right now don't see any indication that anyone lied.

However we are in a small disagreement to what the wolves powers or abilities might be. As a team, some of us feel stronger than others that the wolves can not communicate or possibly don't even know who each other are. So there could possibly be some risk to revealing this information.

I believe what we chose as a team to do is reveal the following:

The number of wolves in our tribe: (Passacaglia)

The number of wolves in any tribe who as a tribe asks us to. If a tribe doesn't ask for it, we will assume they don't want that information out there for whatever reason.

If any tribe doesn't want their amount, then we won't reveal the total wolves right now either.

We all wanted to have each person who got the PM to reveal that they asked that question and that was the answer in this thread so in case there is a soothsayer, or some soothsayer reward down the road, they could scan these.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 01:27 PM

And with that -- there is one wolf in Helsing.

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 01:28 PM

I asked how many wolves were in Helsing, and was told that there were 1. That's a better rephrasing for a soothsayer.

Poli · 02-09-2007, 01:35 PM

I feel more comfortable about revealing our information. I'll admit I've been very much against revealing what we know thus far.

Lathum · 02-09-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I feel more comfortable about revealing our information. I'll admit I've been very much against revealing what we know thus far.

why the change of heart ?

Passacaglia · 02-09-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I feel more comfortable about revealing our information. I'll admit I've been very much against revealing what we know thus far.

That's good news. Even though there is a wolf in our midst, we're a villager-dominated group. We're not trying to screw you guys.

02-09-2007, 12:33 PM	#1370
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I think the last minute revision was oz. We changed it at the last minute, and I think BK got a little confuzzled. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-09-2007, 01:01 PM	#1386
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Personally I don't really see a downside to being open about what has happened in our tribe, but some other guys do, and for now I'm going to respect their wishes. I'll just say that it's a near lock that we still have our seer, and that Lathum is not a wolf. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-09-2007, 01:01 PM	#1387
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	dola, which is amazing __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-09-2007, 01:35 PM	#1398
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I feel more comfortable about revealing our information. I'll admit I've been very much against revealing what we know thus far. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-09-2007, 12:15 PM	#1353
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Would a member of Oz be willing to go into further detail about how things went down after raiders got voted off ?

02-09-2007, 12:29 PM	#1365
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	am I the only one missing why Path is annoyed?

02-09-2007, 12:31 PM	#1366
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	So, SnDvls post here of your bid was a ruse, and not an accident?

02-09-2007, 12:32 PM	#1369
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	dola - I actually made the winning bids as well

02-09-2007, 12:35 PM	#1372
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I just want to reiterate that sndvls fake post was a team descion.

02-09-2007, 12:36 PM	#1373
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Ugh, I am dissapointed that path left before I got off my phone call that I said I wanted to talk more about it. Basically we came up with our bids early early in the day. Our winning bid was probably put together around 10am in the morning by Sndvls originally and then we all went through the various ideas we had. Without going through the process of how we selected that bid, I'll say it was unchanged from some point midday on most likely. The "ruse" bid that was put up was mostly for fun games more than anything, and was put together in the afternoon later at some point. We didn't touch anything or change anything in the last 6-7 hours of the contest. I was hoping path would talk more about what happened in Howard and why he felt that way, but looks like he didnt want to talk to me.

02-09-2007, 12:47 PM	#1378
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I'll try my best to explain Howard's thinking in all this. The fake post by SnDvls is pretty close to how we expected you guys to bid. When BK mentioned that one of the teams had changed their bids, we assumed it was Helsing. When the bids were announced, they were very close to ours. Helsing: Lesser Werewolvia - 6 Hornidia - 4 Lupinia - 5 Garouvia - 7 Lower Fang - 7 Howard: Middle Werewolvia - 3 Hornidia - 4 Lupinia - 5 Garouvia - 3 Lower Fang - 6 Upper Fang - 5 Alpovia - 3 The bid that really caught our attention was the Lower Fang bid. A bid of 7 just beats our bid of 6. And while this was probably a coincidence, I hope you can see how this seems odd to us, especially since we thought you guys were the ones who had the redone bid. We thought that the wolves were communicating with each other and had fudged your bid to defeat ours. A Helsing win for that challenge would be huge for the wolves. Depending on how many wolves you have, the wolves could lie about the number of wolves in game, find out who had the idols, etc. That was our thinking.

02-09-2007, 12:52 PM	#1381
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Alan, I think you're missing something that happened yesterday.

02-09-2007, 12:53 PM	#1383
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Oz, can you at least tell us why you're hesitant about giving us the RA info? Or at least a hint about it? I'd be inclined to understand some need for secrecy.

02-09-2007, 12:55 PM	#1384
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Mainly I'm worried if Raiders revealed that he was the seer or something along those lines, then perhaps it should be kept quiet.. I just was making sure it wasnt anything that will influence our reveal any about your and other teams.

02-09-2007, 01:02 PM	#1388
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Does anyone have a read on whether or not the wolves can communicate with each other?

02-09-2007, 01:03 PM	#1389
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Also, is there a tribe that might not want its info revealed?

02-09-2007, 01:05 PM	#1390
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I have no problem with info regarding our tribe coming out.

02-09-2007, 01:06 PM	#1391
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Laaaaathuuuuuuum check our tribe thread for a sec!

02-09-2007, 01:23 PM	#1395
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Ok, basically this is what we did... As you know we had a good 5 or 6 questions we could have asked. We chose to ask only 2 questions. Instead of worrying about who might have an idol, or what the next reward challenge was or what happened in your particular tribe votes.. we wanted to know info about the wolves. We knew there was a chance of us having a wolf, so we split the questions up in a way where we would have the least chance of someone lying. Alan T asked how many wolves in Lupus Lathum asked how many wolves in Oz Passacaglia asked how many wolves in Helsing Grammaticus asked how many wolves in Howard Sndvls asked how many total wolves Mr.W asked one of the above 5 questions but not telling us which one until after we all revealed. Our numbers of wolves and total wolves matched, and right now don't see any indication that anyone lied. However we are in a small disagreement to what the wolves powers or abilities might be. As a team, some of us feel stronger than others that the wolves can not communicate or possibly don't even know who each other are. So there could possibly be some risk to revealing this information. I believe what we chose as a team to do is reveal the following: The number of wolves in our tribe: (Passacaglia) The number of wolves in any tribe who as a tribe asks us to. If a tribe doesn't ask for it, we will assume they don't want that information out there for whatever reason. If any tribe doesn't want their amount, then we won't reveal the total wolves right now either. We all wanted to have each person who got the PM to reveal that they asked that question and that was the answer in this thread so in case there is a soothsayer, or some soothsayer reward down the road, they could scan these.

02-09-2007, 01:27 PM	#1396
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	And with that -- there is one wolf in Helsing.

02-09-2007, 01:28 PM	#1397
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I asked how many wolves were in Helsing, and was told that there were 1. That's a better rephrasing for a soothsayer.

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