Pro Wrestling Discussion Thread **Spoilers Possible** - Page 29

molson · 11-06-2007, 08:17 AM

My favorite Santino line of the night:

"There will be no Steve Austin here tonight. There will be no JR reaching the point of orgasm".

molson · 11-08-2007, 09:09 PM

The WWE has finally cut loose Chris Masters, just a couple of days into his "second" suspension (though I've read he's actually failed 4 or 5 wellness tests).

thesloppy · 11-08-2007, 09:13 PM

bulletsponge · 11-09-2007, 03:12 PM

kitty wrestling!

JonInMiddleGA · 11-15-2007, 08:25 PM

I'm not all that thrilled with some of the storylines but I will say that I kind of like the new pacing for Impact. The first segment tonight almost has an old ECW feel to it, including the camera angle & feel of the Christian interview in the second segment.

SirFozzie · 11-15-2007, 08:43 PM

Just over 2 years ago, wrestling's downturn began.

Hope you're up there in heaven, Eddy.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-19-2007, 09:54 PM

"Hornswoggle spits in the face of people who are not cool"

DeToxRox · 11-19-2007, 09:59 PM

Carlito on the way out of WWE it appears. He apparently asked for his release and losing to 'Swoggle will probably prove that to be true.

But who cares?

Almost time for Y2j!

JonInMiddleGA · 11-19-2007, 10:01 PM

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JonInMiddleGA · 11-19-2007, 10:07 PM

Heh heh heh

"... your SuperCuts haircut & your subscription to Blue Ball Magazine"

DeToxRox · 11-19-2007, 10:08 PM

Classic Y2J right there

Neon_Chaos · 11-19-2007, 11:07 PM

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVAR!

JonInMiddleGA · 11-20-2007, 06:32 AM

I'm kind of disappointed to see that the clip on wwe.com is edited. We lost the best part of the list we're being saved from (guess the magazine crack wasn't considered kid friendly).

Toddzilla · 11-20-2007, 07:28 AM

It was great to see Jericho back - well 80% of him anyway - but that was seriously the most anti-climactic segment ever. I think everyone pretty much knew beforehand what should happen when Jericho returned:

Heel cuts a promo in the ring
Rediculously long Titantron video
Copiuos amounts of pyro
Jehrico comes out and insults the heel
People cheer

Yawn.

They had how many years to come up with something and *that* was the best they could do?

Flasch186 · 11-20-2007, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

It was great to see Jericho back - well 80% of him anyway - but that was seriously the most anti-climactic segment ever. I think everyone pretty much knew beforehand what should happen when Jericho returned:

Heel cuts a promo in the ring
Rediculously long Titantron video
Copiuos amounts of pyro
Jehrico comes out and insults the heel
People cheer

Yawn.

They had how many years to come up with something and *that* was the best they could do?

agreed, whole heartedly and Im a Jericho mark.

It seemed his character is going to be a little more "Sexual?" or something like that? I dunno, there were few head scratching moments. Im hoping it was just rust but he seemed to be really overly-done to me.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-20-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

It was great to see Jericho back ... but that was seriously the most anti-climactic segment ever. They had how many years to come up with something and *that* was the best they could do?

I think you bring up the thing that bothers me most about this situation:
last night was most likely the highlight of the whole return.

He might have a great match (or several), he might cut killer promos left & right, but I don't believe any of them will have the sense of excitement that came with the anticipation last night.

Should be a ratings spike for the last hour last night, probably get another boost next week from whatever casual fans didn't know he was coming back/didn't know it was last night, but after that I'm not sure that there will be much in the way of a "Jericho Effect". Truth is, I don't think there's anybody who could do that right now other than maybe Rock.

Meanwhile Flasch said

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It seemed his character is going to be a little more "Sexual?" or something like that? I dunno, there were few head scratching moments. Im hoping it was just rust but he seemed to be really overly-done to me.

I think there was always a certain amount of the hair-band bad boy that went with the character. Even when it's not blatant it's always been a strong influence on his mic work. Best example last night (other than the outfit) was the pronunciation of the word "again". That was just CJ channeling Dickinson/Halford/Lemmy. And he's spent a lot of his time off working on his music, so I expect those influences to be even more obvious now even if it isn't entirely intentional

I think the most, I dunno, "disturbing" thing for me last night was how much I thought his build resembled Benoit, especially his arms. That look, plus knowing that HBK used a crossface Sunday night, just all struck me a little uncomfortable. It was distracting I guess is the word I'm looking for.

Toddzilla · 11-20-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I think you bring up the thing that bothers me most about this situation:
last night was most likely the highlight of the whole return.

I tend to disagree, since last night was such a let-down in some ways, I'd expect Jericho to be capable of busting out a 4-4.5 star match down the road. That would be the highlight to me, but in 5 years, people will most likely still only remember the promo.

Toddzilla · 11-20-2007, 08:53 AM

I read the Sean Waltman interview over on the Torch a few weeks ago, and they touch on Jericho's first run in the WWE which was very very interesting. Waltman's take was that Jericho wasn't used to the WWE "style" which led to Jericho not really getting over in the ring both to the fans or backstage. It really frustrated him, but after a few months he got a better idea of how the WWE paces a match psychologically, and he started to have better matches.

Keller disagreed to a point, because when Jericho came over, he was known mostly for a series of very good matches in WCW with Mysterio, Malenko, etc. The key difference being the expectations of what a good match is in WCW and WWE.

Stll, Jericho has a handful of moves that haven't been co-opted in the WWE yet (lionsault, springboard dropkick to the apron, face crusher, and the Boston crab) so his wrestling should still be "fresh".

And that's what I'm looking forward to, his run in the ring. I can do without a bunch of promos for now.

molson · 11-20-2007, 10:28 AM

There's no way Jericho can live up to the hype the internet has put on him over the last few months. I mean, I'm glad he's back, the roster definitely needs some fresh bodies, but Jericho has never really worked as a WWE main eventer (with the possible exception of his last heel run against Cena).

And he looked - weird to me last night. A combination of being two years older, the haircut, and his build looked odd. Late 30s Jericho needs to look and be booked differently than Mid 20s Jericho.

He's never worked well in a WWE ring to me because his offense is so soft. He's a good wrestler, and can be exciting against the right opponents, but compared to others in the WWE, it always kind of looks like he's prancing or tip-toing around the ring. His high impact stuff doesn't have much impact.

I've always saw him as a guy who can bring energy to the upper-midcard, but putting the hopes of the company behind him is a bad idea. This run will be a dissapointment, and as usual, the response will be that the "WWE didn't use him right".

Fidatelo · 11-20-2007, 11:31 AM

When did Jericho become gay? What the hell is with the hair and vest?

molson · 11-20-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

When did Jericho become gay? What the hell is with the hair and vest?

The whole look was disturbing.

It's kind of like HBK - a good looking guy in his 20s can get away with over the top gay antics to some extent in a way a guy in his 30s just can't. HBK still gets away with it for some reason, though he's unique. (But can you imagine someone watching wrestling for the 1st time and seeing this balding, 42-year old guy prance to the ring?).

Jericho, on the other hand, desperately needs a new look, (or a full heel turn where he could gay out all he wants).

Deattribution · 11-20-2007, 01:41 PM

That's how they blew it, the hype was good - the entrance itsself was memorable but once I actually saw Jericho - I was thinking damn this guy needs a new look and he's JUST redeubted. Then he talked, and then I'm thinking damn, this guy is still using stuff from 1999 and again, he JUST redeubted.

He wasn't funny, he was awkward. Child bearing hips? super-cuts? (with his hair looking like he cut it himself) amongst other lines. It felt like a TNA debut where they go back 5 years on a guys personality so they can use his WWE persona.

Fidatelo · 11-20-2007, 02:46 PM

I gotta say, Y2J is starting to seem a little odd in 2007. There are kids watching wrestling now that probably don't even know what Y2K was...

Toddzilla · 11-20-2007, 03:07 PM

My wife asked as I watched the intro again this morning, "When did Jon Bon Jovi become a wrestler?"

saldana · 11-20-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I gotta say, Y2J is starting to seem a little odd in 2007. There are kids watching wrestling now that probably don't even know what Y2K was...

i havent watched raw in about 6 weeks, but tuned in for the last 15 minutes last night to see the return, and the whole time, all i was thinking (other than "who the hell wears a 5 foot watch chain") was "its 2007...you couldnt come up with a new line in 8 years?"...the ever bit and the raw is jericho bit were fine, but Y2J needs to go

DeToxRox · 11-20-2007, 09:33 PM

WWE makes a great move by putting Shelton Benjamin on ECW and giving him Elijah Burke as his hype man. Burke is great on the mic and with Benjamin's in ring abilities, he may finally catch on.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-26-2007, 09:04 PM

Me ... want ... title ... match.

Heh heh.

But I wonder if they paid CTW for that Cookie Monster picture.

And, hate to admit it, but Santino's "KYJ" riff wasn't bad.

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but the end of the segment was awfully doggoned random.

Schmidty · 11-28-2007, 10:26 PM

Just watched RAW.

Not much to say, other than the fact that Orton is horrifically boring, Umaga is even more boring, and Jericho is just as lame and boring as ever. A hundred wrestlers have done Jericho's schtick, and 85% of them have done it much, much better. BLECH.

Can't wait until Cena gets back. Love him or hate him, at least he (along with HHH, Michaels, Morella, etc.) has charisma and a personality.

Schmidty · 11-28-2007, 10:38 PM

Oh, and when are these dipshits going to realize that "Damn" isn't remotely funny anymore?

Oh wait, 80% of the idiots in the crowd still say "What" after every pause, even though it hasn't been funny since....ever. Guess we're stuck with repitive, uncreative crap until some competition comes along. Too bad TNA is a giant pile of shit.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2007, 10:44 PM

Okay Schmidty, "Damn" bothers you enough to comment on it but a spray painted door on the wall for a leprechaun to run through isn't something worth even a quick mention?

And as for "What", consider who is in the crowd at a live WWE event (or not, since they apparently only drew 1500 people in Greenville, SC). And then consider that my 9 y/o occasionally uses "What" on me for a quick laugh for himself from time to time. Put those together & suddenly it's lingering appeal makes a lot more sense.

Schmidty · 11-28-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Okay Schmidty, "Damn" bothers you enough to comment on it but a spray painted door on the wall for a leprechaun to run through isn't something worth even a quick mention?

And as for "What", consider who is in the crowd at a live WWE event (or not, since they apparently only drew 1500 people in Greenville, SC). And then consider that my 9 y/o occasionally uses "What" on me for a quick laugh for himself from time to time. Put those together & suddenly it's lingering appeal makes a lot more sense.

The door was dumb too, but at least it hasn't been repeated ad nauseum.

As far as "what", it was funny for a bit after Stone Cold did it, but now it's just disruptive and irritating. I understand that it appeals to kids and stuff (if I was under 12, I'd likely do it too), but it still annoys me. It just feels like a forced fad trying to become a tradition, and it ain't working.

JonInMiddleGA · 11-28-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

It just feels like a forced fad trying to become a tradition, and it ain't working.

I really hate to break it to you, but I think it's already worked. It's not to the level of the iconic response to a chop to the chest, but it's niche is pretty well established. I've heard it at too many indy shows to believe it hasn't taken hold.

Calis · 11-29-2007, 05:10 PM

So I have this on again off again deal with wrestling. I can't stand the WWE presently and TNA is pretty bad as well but occasional has a match that I'll watch, but I usually end up going back and watching old stuff over again. Anyway, for my birthday this year I ended up getting several "shoot" DVD's which I didn't even realize were that big.

Anyway, I've been spending the last few days ripping the audio out of them and listening to them at work or when I go exercise and some of them are pretty interesting. I have a series of 3 with Bobby Heenan/Jim Cornette that have some great stuff, and mentioned Mantaur which I had managed to completely block out of my memory, but I got a laugh out of that. Anyway, pretty funny stuff.

I've started listening to one by the Iron Sheik which I thought might be interesting because the guy is crazy as hell and seems to have no ability to differentiate his character from real life, and it's amusing but moreso because it's so painful. He's obviously either punch drunk or just stoned out of his mind, and I believe 95% of what he is saying is complete crap but it's funny to hear nonetheless.

Tomorrow night is probably going to end up being the first wrestling PPV I've ordered since I think the last old school ECW one. I'm really considering picking up the Ring of Honor one, as it looks pretty solid and I'm interested in seeing the Briscoes in a ladder match. I'm still pretty amazed with the Briscoes. I only watch RoH sporadically so I saw them when they were really green and they've made such improvements in a short amount of time it's pretty staggering. They're still green in some respects, but they're incredibly young and they seem to have this ability to just completely take over a show, and you can't even piece together why. I don't particularly love them, and you're not usually wow'ed by them, but their matches always seem to stick out. I don't know how to explain it, but I enjoy seeing some legitimate tag teams, and not just throwing together a couple of low carders for the heck of it.

So I might just grab it.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-04-2007, 04:16 PM

Just a tiny trivial bit from last night's Raw. NWA-Anarchy workers played the roles for Kennedy's trip down memory lane for HBK.

TJ Mack = Jannetty
Phil Shatter = Razor
Mikal Judas = Diesel
Jeff Lewis = HBK

Small but nice opportunity for those guys -- even if it doesn't land them a job, you know it's got to be fun just to do the spot -- and really a great situation for Anarchy workers who regularly get chances to do little gigs for both TNA and the WWE.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-10-2007, 07:57 PM

Well that was unexpected (RVD just kicked Santino's ass).
Later tonight, it's Marty Jannetty vs Kennedy.

molson · 12-10-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Just a tiny trivial bit from last night's Raw. NWA-Anarchy workers played the roles for Kennedy's trip down memory lane for HBK.

TJ Mack = Jannetty
Phil Shatter = Razor
Mikal Judas = Diesel
Jeff Lewis = HBK

Small but nice opportunity for those guys -- even if it doesn't land them a job, you know it's got to be fun just to do the spot -- and really a great situation for Anarchy workers who regularly get chances to do little gigs for both TNA and the WWE.

Jeff Lewis was very good - he did his homework.

Fun show so far tonight. I wonder if the biggest surprise is yet to come.

Joe · 12-10-2007, 08:07 PM

did Ahmed Johnson come out yet?

JonInMiddleGA · 12-10-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Jeff Lewis was very good - he did his homework.

Although his Anarchy gimmick(s) haven't really showcased it, I've always thought he had a very expressive face that can play a pretty good range from comedy to downright psycho.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-10-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

did Ahmed Johnson come out yet?

I missed the first little bit of the show so I'm not sure but I don't believe he has.

Actually I've kind of been surprised by the limited number of guests so far (not so much limited, just not the straight nostalgia show I was kind of expecting)

molson · 12-10-2007, 08:15 PM

There's a few more bizarre names I've heard have signed on but I won't spoil them.

But if you missed the beginning, you missed Bastian Booger, Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz and Sunny.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-10-2007, 08:25 PM

In that case (if that was the first segment) then I saw most of it. We flipped it on as Vince was explaining when/why/how he slept with someone (Mae Young maybe?)

rjolley · 12-10-2007, 08:25 PM

Ok, who is/was Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz?

molson · 12-10-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rjolley

Ok, who is/was Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz?

Played by Brooklyn Brawler/Steve Lombardi. I think he used for a couple of weeks during the '94 baseball strike.

rjolley · 12-10-2007, 08:43 PM

Ah. So why wasn't he Brooklyn Brawler? Doesn't have the rights to the name?

JonInMiddleGA · 12-10-2007, 08:46 PM

Hey Hulkster, let's promo that new NBC show American Gladiators on USA Network ... owned by NBC Universal, so it's cool

15 man battle royal coming up next, including: Al Snow, Bart Gunn, Doink, Repo Man, Steve Blackman, Pete Gas, Bob Backlund ... and others to be introduced after this break.

molson · 12-10-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rjolley

Ah. So why wasn't he Brooklyn Brawler? Doesn't have the rights to the name?

For tonight's purposes, Schwartz is just more obscure and ridiculous. The WWE has dusted off the Brooklyn Brawler now and then over the years.

Definitely didn't expect to see Bob Backlund.

SirFozzie · 12-10-2007, 08:49 PM

damn, Blackman looks like he could go a fifteen minute match now.

And Scotty 2 Hotty looks like.. well.. he's more flamboyant then ever. Let's just leave it there.

The Anvil!

GILLBERG! *laughs*

JonInMiddleGA · 12-10-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rjolley

Ah. So why wasn't he Brooklyn Brawler? Doesn't have the rights to the name?

Nah, BB was a Vince creation.

Presumably the decision was made in order to set up Trips joke about "the Brooklyn Brawler apparently not being available tonight".

JonInMiddleGA · 12-10-2007, 08:51 PM

Gangrel, Scotty 2 Hotty, ... who was the black dude I just got a glimpse of ... never mind, that's Flash Funk. And Steve "Skinner" Keirn. Jim Neidhardt. And Sgt Slaughter ... and a frightening Gillberg (that is Duane Gill, right?)

JonInMiddleGA · 12-10-2007, 08:57 PM

Woot ! I.R.S. (aka Rotundo) wins the BR but Ted DiBiase shows up to prove every man has his price.

11-15-2007, 08:25 PM	#1405
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I'm not all that thrilled with some of the storylines but I will say that I kind of like the new pacing for Impact. The first segment tonight almost has an old ECW feel to it, including the camera angle & feel of the Christian interview in the second segment. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-15-2007, 08:43 PM	#1406
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Just over 2 years ago, wrestling's downturn began. Hope you're up there in heaven, Eddy. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

11-19-2007, 09:54 PM	#1407
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	"Hornswoggle spits in the face of people who are not cool" __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-19-2007, 10:01 PM	#1409
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-19-2007, 10:07 PM	#1410
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Heh heh heh "... your SuperCuts haircut & your subscription to Blue Ball Magazine" __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 11-19-2007 at 10:07 PM.

11-06-2007, 08:17 AM	#1401
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	My favorite Santino line of the night: "There will be no Steve Austin here tonight. There will be no JR reaching the point of orgasm".

11-08-2007, 09:09 PM	#1402
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	The WWE has finally cut loose Chris Masters, just a couple of days into his "second" suspension (though I've read he's actually failed 4 or 5 wellness tests).

11-08-2007, 09:13 PM	#1403
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX

11-09-2007, 03:12 PM	#1404
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	kitty wrestling!

11-19-2007, 09:59 PM	#1408
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Carlito on the way out of WWE it appears. He apparently asked for his release and losing to 'Swoggle will probably prove that to be true. But who cares? Almost time for Y2j!

11-19-2007, 10:08 PM	#1411
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Classic Y2J right there

11-19-2007, 11:07 PM	#1412
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVAR! __________________ Come and see.

11-20-2007, 06:32 AM	#1413
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I'm kind of disappointed to see that the clip on wwe.com is edited. We lost the best part of the list we're being saved from (guess the magazine crack wasn't considered kid friendly). __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

11-20-2007, 07:28 AM	#1414
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	It was great to see Jericho back - well 80% of him anyway - but that was seriously the most anti-climactic segment ever. I think everyone pretty much knew beforehand what should happen when Jericho returned: Heel cuts a promo in the ring Rediculously long Titantron video Copiuos amounts of pyro Jehrico comes out and insults the heel People cheer Yawn. They had how many years to come up with something and that was the best they could do?

11-20-2007, 08:53 AM	#1418
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	I read the Sean Waltman interview over on the Torch a few weeks ago, and they touch on Jericho's first run in the WWE which was very very interesting. Waltman's take was that Jericho wasn't used to the WWE "style" which led to Jericho not really getting over in the ring both to the fans or backstage. It really frustrated him, but after a few months he got a better idea of how the WWE paces a match psychologically, and he started to have better matches. Keller disagreed to a point, because when Jericho came over, he was known mostly for a series of very good matches in WCW with Mysterio, Malenko, etc. The key difference being the expectations of what a good match is in WCW and WWE. Stll, Jericho has a handful of moves that haven't been co-opted in the WWE yet (lionsault, springboard dropkick to the apron, face crusher, and the Boston crab) so his wrestling should still be "fresh". And that's what I'm looking forward to, his run in the ring. I can do without a bunch of promos for now.

11-20-2007, 10:28 AM	#1419
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	There's no way Jericho can live up to the hype the internet has put on him over the last few months. I mean, I'm glad he's back, the roster definitely needs some fresh bodies, but Jericho has never really worked as a WWE main eventer (with the possible exception of his last heel run against Cena). And he looked - weird to me last night. A combination of being two years older, the haircut, and his build looked odd. Late 30s Jericho needs to look and be booked differently than Mid 20s Jericho. He's never worked well in a WWE ring to me because his offense is so soft. He's a good wrestler, and can be exciting against the right opponents, but compared to others in the WWE, it always kind of looks like he's prancing or tip-toing around the ring. His high impact stuff doesn't have much impact. I've always saw him as a guy who can bring energy to the upper-midcard, but putting the hopes of the company behind him is a bad idea. This run will be a dissapointment, and as usual, the response will be that the "WWE didn't use him right".

11-20-2007, 11:31 AM	#1420
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	When did Jericho become gay? What the hell is with the hair and vest? __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

11-20-2007, 01:41 PM	#1422
Deattribution College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	That's how they blew it, the hype was good - the entrance itsself was memorable but once I actually saw Jericho - I was thinking damn this guy needs a new look and he's JUST redeubted. Then he talked, and then I'm thinking damn, this guy is still using stuff from 1999 and again, he JUST redeubted. He wasn't funny, he was awkward. Child bearing hips? super-cuts? (with his hair looking like he cut it himself) amongst other lines. It felt like a TNA debut where they go back 5 years on a guys personality so they can use his WWE persona.

11-20-2007, 02:46 PM	#1423
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	I gotta say, Y2J is starting to seem a little odd in 2007. There are kids watching wrestling now that probably don't even know what Y2K was... __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

11-20-2007, 03:07 PM	#1424
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	My wife asked as I watched the intro again this morning, "When did Jon Bon Jovi become a wrestler?"

11-20-2007, 09:33 PM	#1426
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	WWE makes a great move by putting Shelton Benjamin on ECW and giving him Elijah Burke as his hype man. Burke is great on the mic and with Benjamin's in ring abilities, he may finally catch on.

11-26-2007, 09:04 PM	#1427
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Me ... want ... title ... match. Heh heh. But I wonder if they paid CTW for that Cookie Monster picture. And, hate to admit it, but Santino's "KYJ" riff wasn't bad. ... but the end of the segment was awfully doggoned random. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 11-26-2007 at 09:07 PM.

11-28-2007, 10:26 PM	#1428
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Just watched RAW. Not much to say, other than the fact that Orton is horrifically boring, Umaga is even more boring, and Jericho is just as lame and boring as ever. A hundred wrestlers have done Jericho's schtick, and 85% of them have done it much, much better. BLECH. Can't wait until Cena gets back. Love him or hate him, at least he (along with HHH, Michaels, Morella, etc.) has charisma and a personality.

11-28-2007, 10:38 PM	#1429
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Oh, and when are these dipshits going to realize that "Damn" isn't remotely funny anymore? Oh wait, 80% of the idiots in the crowd still say "What" after every pause, even though it hasn't been funny since....ever. Guess we're stuck with repitive, uncreative crap until some competition comes along. Too bad TNA is a giant pile of shit.

11-28-2007, 10:44 PM	#1430
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Okay Schmidty, "Damn" bothers you enough to comment on it but a spray painted door on the wall for a leprechaun to run through isn't something worth even a quick mention? And as for "What", consider who is in the crowd at a live WWE event (or not, since they apparently only drew 1500 people in Greenville, SC). And then consider that my 9 y/o occasionally uses "What" on me for a quick laugh for himself from time to time. Put those together & suddenly it's lingering appeal makes a lot more sense. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 11-28-2007 at 10:46 PM.

11-29-2007, 05:10 PM	#1433
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	So I have this on again off again deal with wrestling. I can't stand the WWE presently and TNA is pretty bad as well but occasional has a match that I'll watch, but I usually end up going back and watching old stuff over again. Anyway, for my birthday this year I ended up getting several "shoot" DVD's which I didn't even realize were that big. Anyway, I've been spending the last few days ripping the audio out of them and listening to them at work or when I go exercise and some of them are pretty interesting. I have a series of 3 with Bobby Heenan/Jim Cornette that have some great stuff, and mentioned Mantaur which I had managed to completely block out of my memory, but I got a laugh out of that. Anyway, pretty funny stuff. I've started listening to one by the Iron Sheik which I thought might be interesting because the guy is crazy as hell and seems to have no ability to differentiate his character from real life, and it's amusing but moreso because it's so painful. He's obviously either punch drunk or just stoned out of his mind, and I believe 95% of what he is saying is complete crap but it's funny to hear nonetheless. Tomorrow night is probably going to end up being the first wrestling PPV I've ordered since I think the last old school ECW one. I'm really considering picking up the Ring of Honor one, as it looks pretty solid and I'm interested in seeing the Briscoes in a ladder match. I'm still pretty amazed with the Briscoes. I only watch RoH sporadically so I saw them when they were really green and they've made such improvements in a short amount of time it's pretty staggering. They're still green in some respects, but they're incredibly young and they seem to have this ability to just completely take over a show, and you can't even piece together why. I don't particularly love them, and you're not usually wow'ed by them, but their matches always seem to stick out. I don't know how to explain it, but I enjoy seeing some legitimate tag teams, and not just throwing together a couple of low carders for the heck of it. So I might just grab it.

12-04-2007, 04:16 PM	#1434
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Just a tiny trivial bit from last night's Raw. NWA-Anarchy workers played the roles for Kennedy's trip down memory lane for HBK. TJ Mack = Jannetty Phil Shatter = Razor Mikal Judas = Diesel Jeff Lewis = HBK Small but nice opportunity for those guys -- even if it doesn't land them a job, you know it's got to be fun just to do the spot -- and really a great situation for Anarchy workers who regularly get chances to do little gigs for both TNA and the WWE. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-10-2007, 07:57 PM	#1435
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Well that was unexpected (RVD just kicked Santino's ass). Later tonight, it's Marty Jannetty vs Kennedy. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-10-2007, 08:07 PM	#1437
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	did Ahmed Johnson come out yet?

12-10-2007, 08:15 PM	#1440
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	There's a few more bizarre names I've heard have signed on but I won't spoil them. But if you missed the beginning, you missed Bastian Booger, Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz and Sunny.

12-10-2007, 08:25 PM	#1441
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	In that case (if that was the first segment) then I saw most of it. We flipped it on as Vince was explaining when/why/how he slept with someone (Mae Young maybe?) __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-10-2007, 08:25 PM	#1442
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Ok, who is/was Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz?

12-10-2007, 08:43 PM	#1444
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Ah. So why wasn't he Brooklyn Brawler? Doesn't have the rights to the name?

12-10-2007, 08:46 PM	#1445
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Hey Hulkster, let's promo that new NBC show American Gladiators on USA Network ... owned by NBC Universal, so it's cool 15 man battle royal coming up next, including: Al Snow, Bart Gunn, Doink, Repo Man, Steve Blackman, Pete Gas, Bob Backlund ... and others to be introduced after this break. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-10-2007, 08:49 PM	#1447
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	damn, Blackman looks like he could go a fifteen minute match now. And Scotty 2 Hotty looks like.. well.. he's more flamboyant then ever. Let's just leave it there. The Anvil! GILLBERG! laughs __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com Last edited by SirFozzie : 12-10-2007 at 08:51 PM.