Werewolf CXXXIII - The Dark Knight - MOBSTERS WIN - Page 29

Zinto · 06-05-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

So let's say I believe both Abe and Lathum (as Abe is representing Batman), wouldn't the choice still be Lathum to die?

With everything Danny has said I wonder if it is worth voting for Abe still. I mean he could be lying to us but I really wonder if Batman could be killed in Joker's game. The only problem is we are risking the only way to remove Joker from the game.

Zinto · 06-05-2011, 11:26 AM

I guess the bigger problem is if Abe is Batman and Lathum is our bodyguard then we are going to see Batman night killed as soon as a reveal happens if we are forced to kill Lathum.

Lathum · 06-05-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

So let's say I believe both Abe and Lathum (as Abe is representing Batman), wouldn't the choice still be Lathum to die?

why wouldn't abe just come out and say he is batman?

Chubby · 06-05-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

why wouldn't abe just come out and say he is batman?

because then he is vulnerable to the mob, which would obviously be your angle if you are mob.

Lathum · 06-05-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

because then he is vulnerable to the mob, which would obviously be your angle if you are mob.

right, but he is going to be revealed as batman either way. Him making some cryptic reveal buys him nothing in my book.

Chubby · 06-05-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

right, but he is going to be revealed as batman either way. Him making some cryptic reveal buys him nothing in my book.

Would I rather have him outed (possibly) after the Joker is put away for good or before? Ummm, after.

Care to explain your vote that contributed to the fine Harvey Dent being locked away?

Lathum · 06-05-2011, 11:51 AM

Don't really have an explanation.

I guess I'm just not seeing the logic behind Abes so called reveal. Why trust him, like I said earlier, it stinks of him being a mobster trying to buy another day.

If I was going to fake reveal I would do it as batman.

Danny · 06-05-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Would I rather have him outed (possibly) after the Joker is put away for good or before? Ummm, after.

Care to explain your vote that contributed to the fine Harvey Dent being locked away?

Except if he did reveal now, you all could lynch me, so it's no problem either way regarding getting rid of me. Which is again why his reveal seems off. He's basically alerting the mob who he is and saying he can kill me, but just revealing would allow you guys to lynch me anyway.

Danny · 06-05-2011, 11:55 AM

That said, I am on the fence. He could be batman, in which case you guys decide if losing the bodyguard is worth it taking the chance that batman would die in my game.

Chubby · 06-05-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Don't really have an explanation.

I guess I'm just not seeing the logic behind Abes so called reveal. Why trust him, like I said earlier, it stinks of him being a mobster trying to buy another day.

If I was going to fake reveal I would do it as batman.

because, as he said earlier, he had no votes on him "yesterday" and no reason to have to do a reveal/fake reveal. You however, have a real need to. You also voted to lynch Harvey Dent and have been doing everything in your power to shift the conversation off of yourself and onto everyone else with no explanation of your votes.

Danny - you are expecting that the mob can take out batman if he jails the Joker and doesn't publically reveal, i don't think that is the case as it would be inconcsistent with the movie.

Chubby · 06-05-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

That said, I am on the fence. He could be batman, in which case you guys decide if losing the bodyguard is worth it taking the chance that batman would die in my game.

assuming Lathum is the BG and not a mobster using the only other role he has a chance of fake revealing with and surviving.

Danny · 06-05-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

assuming Lathum is the BG and not a mobster using the only other role he has a chance of fake revealing with and surviving.

There's always Rachel Dawes. My guess is Abe tries to spin his reveal into Rachel Dawes so that he can avoid a batman fake reveal. That would probably doom him though so who knows.

Danny · 06-05-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Danny - you are expecting that the mob can take out batman if he jails the Joker and doesn't publically reveal, i don't think that is the case as it would be inconcsistent with the movie.

I don't know if they can or not, but I do get the impression that I can't kill batman, so I'm not sure what risk Abe sees in this vote. If you guys vote Lathum, Abe kills me tonight and Lathum dies. If you guys vote Abe, Lathum lives and Abe survives my game and kills me tonight. Or you kill them both.

Lathum · 06-05-2011, 12:02 PM

Of course I am trying to shift the focus from me and onto Abe. If I was a normal citizen I would say go ahead and lynch me, but I have some value.

Danny · 06-05-2011, 12:02 PM

Or Abe uses a convert ability tonight, gets killed tomorrow, but has his replacement ready to go.

Danny · 06-05-2011, 12:03 PM

Or Abe is psycho batman who really is working with me to take over Gotham

Danny · 06-05-2011, 12:03 PM

Either way, I'm going to make sure I get in at least another 100 posts just in case Abe is telling the truth.

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Don't really have an explanation.

I guess I'm just not seeing the logic behind Abes so called reveal. Why trust him, like I said earlier, it stinks of him being a mobster trying to buy another day.

If I was going to fake reveal I would do it as batman.

Morning all!

Think about this for a second. This game has at least one rule based around a character revealing his identity, The Joker loses lynch power. Do you think that is the ONLY rule in the game like that? That'd be really silly. Really.

As an FYI, please note, I was the first one to speak out against everyone revealing, and I maintained because that was wolfish, to help find Batman. I was vocal about that for days, and personally led against a group of four that included Sal. Do you not now see exactly and precisely why?

But here, allow me to add some weight. Allow me to quote some of my posts.

Chubby · 06-05-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I don't know if they can or not, but I do get the impression that I can't kill batman, so I'm not sure what risk Abe sees in this vote. If you guys vote Lathum, Abe kills me tonight and Lathum dies. If you guys vote Abe, Lathum lives and Abe survives my game and kills me tonight. Or you kill them both.

perhaps batman has lynch immunity, but your little game isn't a lynch...

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Sometimes I just post my thoughts quickly, because what's going on is so quick, and I forget to edit them prior. I've got to get my grammar tighter, sorry dudes.

Bold is my own

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Still not good. Tighter Abe, Tighter! Less edits!

Again, bold is my own. What is with this emphasis on tights? It's almost like I wear them...

Danny · 06-05-2011, 12:12 PM

So you're the ballerina?

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Can Batman say I am Spartacus? Will that count?

I was trying to insert the Spartacus quote earlier in the day, but I couldn't fit it in, and the The Joker revealed with its new Batman-revelation rule so I decided to make this my last hint I would drop. The next one I had planned was a playboy post.

I cannot and will not reveal. Wouldn't I just do it, rather than imply it, if I were a mobbie?

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

What I still don't get is why Abe pleaded to not vote him today. If he is Batman, I can't kill him anyway.

I don't know why you are lying to these people, but there are only two ways I can go. One is you, and the other is to do what you want. Why lie about that? Maybe you don't know? Maybe this has all been guess work?

Danny · 06-05-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I don't know why you are lying to these people, but there are only two ways I can go. One is you, and the other is to do what you want. Why lie about that? Maybe you don't know? Maybe this has all been guess work?

I seriously doubt that. Because if what you say is true then if I was never lynched (gaining my power) then you could never be killed the entire game.

Chubby · 06-05-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I seriously doubt that. Because if what you say is true then if I was never lynched (gaining my power) then you could never be killed the entire game.

says who?

we don't even know the mob's winning conditions as they aren't stated in the rules.

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I seriously doubt that. Because if what you say is true then if I was never lynched (gaining my power) then you could never be killed the entire game.

Your the one who said I couldn't be lynched or NK'd already. What does that leave?

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2011, 01:18 PM

For those interested in such things:

The Joker used regular chemicals in his bombs. I tried to trace them but could not.

He stays at a different place each night, chosen at random. Can't track it.

But, when he chose me as his game-toy, now I know where he is and can find him tonight and take him out.

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2011, 01:26 PM

Hey Danny, got a question for ya - why didn't you choose Chubby on Day 3 or J23 today - why not continue with the screws?

Danny · 06-05-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Hey Danny, got a question for ya - why didn't you choose Chubby on Day 3 or J23 today - why not continue with the screws?

Cause Lathum and you are more fun. J23 wasn't very much fun

Abe Sargent · 06-05-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Cause Lathum and you are more fun. J23 wasn't very much fun

What about Chubs?

Danny · 06-05-2011, 02:17 PM

I get tired of my toys after playing with them for a while

mckerney · 06-05-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Again, bold is my own. What is with this emphasis on tights? It's almost like I wear them...

Alfred?

Lathum · 06-05-2011, 02:26 PM

are you trying to say you are Robin?

J23 · 06-05-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

I am also not on board with the all reveal as Batman plan. I think Autumn will probably make a post the same way as he did for the Joker saying "Johny is Batman". When Batman feels that he should come out then he should choose to.

Autumn won't reveal it publicly, as stated in this post:

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Originally Posted by Autumn

It seems we have several Batmen. You will not be informed publicly by me if the true Batman has revealed, but the game effects will take place behind the scenes.

However, I am believing Abe's reveal (of sorts), and will trust his judgement about revealing since he would know the full mechanics.

Thomkal · 06-05-2011, 02:43 PM

What J23 said, which is what I was about to say.

Well the first part at least

Danny · 06-05-2011, 02:46 PM

Yeah, I actually buy Abe's reveal as well. I would vote Lathum and risk losing the BG.

Danny · 06-05-2011, 02:46 PM

And then Abe can come and get me (or so he thinks)

Danny · 06-05-2011, 02:49 PM

And just to further that, his revealed hideout information is correct, unfortunately for him and his semi-reveal, I will be changing my hideout during the night phase.

Thomkal · 06-05-2011, 02:56 PM

Okay without calling you he-who-shall-not-be-named Abe, given Lathum's reveal, what do you think we citizens should do with the Joker's game?

Danny · 06-05-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Okay without calling you he-who-shall-not-be-named Abe, given Lathum's reveal, what do you think we citizens should do with the Joker's game?

That's pretty obvious, he thinks you should kill Lathum.

Thomkal · 06-05-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

That's pretty obvious, he thinks you should kill Lathum.

hush you, are you abe?

Danny · 06-05-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Text Kill Lathum

For obvious reasons

This is the only option in which Abe does not die

Thomkal · 06-05-2011, 03:08 PM

Yes yes Danny I saw that-as I said I want to see if he feels any different now that Lathum has revealed-or if he even believes the reveal.

J23 · 06-05-2011, 03:36 PM

When's the next deadline again btw? Monday night?

Thomkal · 06-05-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

When's the next deadline again btw? Monday night?

Yeppers

mauchow · 06-05-2011, 08:39 PM

It's been 5 hours since the last post. I just want to say screw you guys that are still playing

Danny · 06-05-2011, 11:16 PM

I had some friends over, but don't worry I'll make 100 more posts before the morning

Darth Vilus · 06-06-2011, 12:46 AM

Yep, Danny had some "friends" over. If you know what I mean

Chubby · 06-06-2011, 05:43 AM

Kill Lathum

i really don't want to play the joker's game but i think this vote is too important.

I'm fine with one death today unless evidence is presented that makes it clear we found another mobster so with that...

No lynch

06-05-2011, 01:18 PM	#1428
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	For those interested in such things: The Joker used regular chemicals in his bombs. I tried to trace them but could not. He stays at a different place each night, chosen at random. Can't track it. But, when he chose me as his game-toy, now I know where he is and can find him tonight and take him out. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-05-2011, 01:26 PM	#1429
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Hey Danny, got a question for ya - why didn't you choose Chubby on Day 3 or J23 today - why not continue with the screws? __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-06-2011, 12:46 AM	#1449
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Yep, Danny had some "friends" over. If you know what I mean __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

06-05-2011, 11:26 AM	#1402
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I guess the bigger problem is if Abe is Batman and Lathum is our bodyguard then we are going to see Batman night killed as soon as a reveal happens if we are forced to kill Lathum.

06-05-2011, 11:51 AM	#1407
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Don't really have an explanation. I guess I'm just not seeing the logic behind Abes so called reveal. Why trust him, like I said earlier, it stinks of him being a mobster trying to buy another day. If I was going to fake reveal I would do it as batman.

06-05-2011, 11:55 AM	#1409
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	That said, I am on the fence. He could be batman, in which case you guys decide if losing the bodyguard is worth it taking the chance that batman would die in my game.

06-05-2011, 12:02 PM	#1414
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Of course I am trying to shift the focus from me and onto Abe. If I was a normal citizen I would say go ahead and lynch me, but I have some value.

06-05-2011, 12:02 PM	#1415
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Or Abe uses a convert ability tonight, gets killed tomorrow, but has his replacement ready to go.

06-05-2011, 12:03 PM	#1416
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Or Abe is psycho batman who really is working with me to take over Gotham

06-05-2011, 12:03 PM	#1417
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Either way, I'm going to make sure I get in at least another 100 posts just in case Abe is telling the truth.

06-05-2011, 12:12 PM	#1422
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	So you're the ballerina?

06-05-2011, 02:17 PM	#1432
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I get tired of my toys after playing with them for a while

06-05-2011, 02:26 PM	#1434
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	are you trying to say you are Robin?

06-05-2011, 02:43 PM	#1436
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	What J23 said, which is what I was about to say. Well the first part at least

06-05-2011, 02:46 PM	#1437
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Yeah, I actually buy Abe's reveal as well. I would vote Lathum and risk losing the BG.

06-05-2011, 02:46 PM	#1438
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	And then Abe can come and get me (or so he thinks)

06-05-2011, 02:49 PM	#1439
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	And just to further that, his revealed hideout information is correct, unfortunately for him and his semi-reveal, I will be changing my hideout during the night phase.

06-05-2011, 02:56 PM	#1440
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Okay without calling you he-who-shall-not-be-named Abe, given Lathum's reveal, what do you think we citizens should do with the Joker's game?

06-05-2011, 03:08 PM	#1444
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Yes yes Danny I saw that-as I said I want to see if he feels any different now that Lathum has revealed-or if he even believes the reveal.

06-05-2011, 03:36 PM	#1445
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	When's the next deadline again btw? Monday night?

06-05-2011, 08:39 PM	#1447
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	It's been 5 hours since the last post. I just want to say screw you guys that are still playing

06-05-2011, 11:16 PM	#1448
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I had some friends over, but don't worry I'll make 100 more posts before the morning

06-06-2011, 05:43 AM	#1450
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Kill Lathum i really don't want to play the joker's game but i think this vote is too important. I'm fine with one death today unless evidence is presented that makes it clear we found another mobster so with that... No lynch

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