werewolf LIV! Terror at the country club (GAME OVER WOLVES WIN)

[EagleFan]

again, sorry. clueless newbie move

Lynch me if you wish, but it won't help the villager cause as you'll just be taking one of your own.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Path 4- Hoops (1287), Pass (1318) MrDNA (1321),Eagle (1375),
Chief 4- RendeR (1289), Cronin (1296), ChiefRum (1366), Path12 (1372)
RendeR 3- Chief (1282), Olie (1284), Raiders (1315)
Cronin 1- Crim (1266)

I don't think Chief voted for himself either.

[Lathum]

You all gather together at the end of the day. You are ready to spill some blood, hopefully wolf blood, when at the last minute it is decided there will be no lynch tonight.

Some of you voice your displeasure but make your way off to hopefully see another morning

[hoopsguy]

If I got to make the call as the wolves, I would take out someone like MrDNA (but not Arlington with the no vote) as there are likely several villagers that they want around for the discussion tomorrow. Fascinating day. Maybe Oliegirl or Crim.

I think Cronin/Path are absolutely safe if one of them is a wolf.
I think Chief is safe by virtue of votes today. Ditto RendeR.
I think Eagle just bought his ticket to tomorrow. And probably Purdue as well.

And, of course, the wolves who aren't in the above list

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by path12

I don't think Chief voted for himself either.

Villegar

[Passacaglia]

Oh and now RendeR shows up.

[Crim]

Checking back in, earlier than I'd have thought. What'd I miss??


Reading now.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Crim

Checking back in, earlier than I'd have thought. What'd I miss??


Reading now.

Don't bother reading, that'll just make one more person pissed at my move...

[hoopsguy]

Good luck with that, Crim. I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise ending. You'll laugh, you'll cry ...

[Lathum]

You all wake in the morning and are very surprised to see all of you alive and well.

Could your luck be turning?

[PurdueBrad]

If this is a conversion, I called it on Cronin damn it!

[path12]

Wow. Either the Goth or an item? I can't imagine a no order.

But I can't imagine that Neon wasn't the Goth, either. I'm betting item.

[hoopsguy]

OK, now that is a surprise. I'll sit back and wait for someone to have something interesting to present. Because I have yet to see a PM outside of the one to start the game.

Apparently none of you want to send me items with which to protect myself Or the moderator is out to get me.

[Crim]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Accusations once again fly and it seems today stretches on forever. Several names surface as a potential wolf but in the end you all decide it is Mr.Bug who must die.

You all mob him. Smeone grabs a liquor bottle from the bar, smashes it, and thrusts it into MrBugs neck. He begins to squirt blood everywher and twitches uncontrolaby as he falls to his death.

A quick search of his locker reveals nothing special, he was an ordinary villager.

Night actions to follow.

Dammit, I'm sorry MrBug. I did this to you, mostly. You too, hoops, I shoulda followed yer gut.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Oh and now RendeR shows up.

So Sorry, but watching the Bengals stop 12 plays from inside the 10 yrd line with time running out in the game to win it took precedence over sitting here waiting for enough people to move to Rummy to lynch him, unfortunately they went after path too and we got nothin.

Check the last minute jumpers for your wolves. I've suspected Rum for awhile and his posts and Cronin's in the afternoon/evening today changed my mind on tonights vote, I went with Rummy who is screaming bloody wolf at me.

Then take a gander at who else jumped on the RendeR train to see who went along with Rum's vote and has also been suspected by others.

RA and CR.

One of them needs to die tomorrow night.

[Raiders Army]

Damn. We just let the wolves away without a lynch and didn't learn hardly anything.

VOTE RENDER

Sticking with it now.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Wow. Either the Goth or an item? I can't imagine a no order.

But I can't imagine that Neon wasn't the Goth, either. I'm betting item.

I would bet an item stuffed an attack tonight, but there are obviously other possibilities. I truly do not believe it was a conversion, I still say NC was the Goth. If I'm wrong in THAT beliefthen my entire pyramid of suspicion crumbles into the proverbial dust.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by RendeR

RA and CR.

One of them needs to die tomorrow night.

Uhhhhh why me?

I'll check tomorrow morning for your answer. G'night!

[hoopsguy]

RendeR, walk me through it.
- the very late movers were Path and Eagle, with Purdue a little before them
- Path and Purdue voted for Chief. It seems like the late movers tried to bury a guy you think is a wolf
- how did Raiders factor in this, other than having a vote on you?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Damn. We just let the wolves away without a lynch and didn't learn hardly anything.

VOTE RENDER

Sticking with it now.

Why me RA? You still clinging to the idea that I, as a wolf, openly slaughtered barkeep and admitted to it afterwards? I got balls, but that would take some shiny platinum plated iron balls to pull off.

I wish it were true, I'd at least have something to DO each night.

Night 1 when we wrongly lynched the seer I saw the knife on the ground and picked it up without being seen. Thats how I got it to begin with. I then sat there convinced that BK was bad. It wasn't even a question in my mind, I just believed it based on what I read. (Take that as a compliment BK, you scare the hell out of me)



I saw the definite lynch of NC happening and decided to take my shot, worrying that while I may not be an obvious target, I didn't want to take any chance that I'd get offed and lose the knife.

So I knifed BK in the chest, sadly discovering that he was just a simple wholesome golfer.

Anything beyond that is exageration, that is exactly how my game has gone.

Study CR's votes and posts, study RA's, RA leaping onto me near the end tonight really clicked in my mind.

Check it out, the truth is out there.

[RendeR]

Meh, after re-reading a bit RA made his move earlier than some others. It still fishy to me and he's voting against the common belief that I wouldn't be idiot enough to openly admit to killing BK.

I'm good RA, but I'm not that brave. Stupid sometimes, but no, if I had offed BK I sure as hell would have just stayed quiet about it.

[RendeR]

Oh and for ther est of the NFL and FOFC:


GO BENGALS!

I called the game, 27-20, its posted in the pickem thread.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

RendeR, walk me through it.
- the very late movers were Path and Eagle, with Purdue a little before them
- Path and Purdue voted for Chief. It seems like the late movers tried to bury a guy you think is a wolf
- how did Raiders factor in this, other than having a vote on you?

Before you get it into everyone's head that I was a late mover, I want to point out that I was in a three way tie to be lynched. My vote was in self-preservation and would have went on either Render or Chief no matter what. I decided to go with Chief and was wrong. But there is nothing suspicious in a preservation vote......especially with the main roles gone.

[path12]

Dola, clarify to say the vote was wrong because it ended up a tie. I don't know if Eagle would have switched had I voted Render.

[PurdueBrad]

Screw this. Throw away or not, for the second straight day

vote Crim

I'm not moving, there is something there, somebody has to consider it.

[hoopsguy]

Path, you are correct that there is nothing suspicious in a preservation vote. I'm surprised you aligned with the guy that you said is your most likely wolf, thinking he was playing rope-a-dope with you in his second game.

That said, I'm more than willing to see if there is any new information that will help shape our decisions today based on the no-kill last night.

[Crim]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

If this is a conversion, I called it on Cronin damn it!

Hehe, much chuckling, oh fanged one!

BIG NEWS, VILLAGERS, WE GOT US A WOLFIE WOLF!

First, a big thank you to Raiders Army (as a Broncos fan, that's hard to say) for passing me the serving tray.

Funny thing happened on my way to my room last night. Heard a noise behind me, and sumbitch there was a fargin WEREWOLF bearing down on me! Last second, I remembered that someone had placed a serving tray in my cabin the day before, so I grabbed it, and -- quite heroicly, IMHO -- used it to ward off the wolf! The damn tray broke in the process, but I grabbed a pointy piece of it and stabbed that bitch in the leg. He started to take off running... I was about to give chase, then thought, what if his full-moon-howlin buddies are aound the corner coming this way, so I took off myself.

Oh, but that's not all. Just before I rounded the corner (accelerating all the while) I glanced back to see if he was following me -- he wasn't, but the pain in his leg was making him lose his concentration or something, because the wolf was turning into (drumroll, please) PURDUE BRAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE PURDUE BRAD

I think I just nicked him, though, guys, so I'd strongly suggest the we finish him off tonight!

Woohoo!

[path12]

I knew it! Good work, Crim.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[Crim]

I'm pretty excited, this is the first time this game (other than Neon, but that hardly even counts) that I'm certain I'm on a wolf!

Purdue, you were selling the fact that I was gunning hard for Bug, and that's true, and it was a terrible lynch. But you slipped up, kibble-nibbler. You shoulda finished me off!

Now, I feel 100% confident in this vote, guys, this is a reveal that, if I'm lying, should lead to my immediate death at tomorrow's lynch. But, I saw what I saw, and Purdue Brad is a wolf. Let's send him to hell tonight!

[Crim]

I'm worn out, and shaky, with the last of the adrenaline having left me after my brush with death. I'm going to sleep. Fitfully, perhaps, but poor sleep is better than none at all, and I have a feeling I'll need all the rest I can get, for tonight, even after PB meets his deserved end, I fear his hidden cohorts will be seeking revenge against me.

Out for several hours, will check back sometime prolly early afternoon Tuesday.

PS Woohoo!

[EagleFan]

vote PurdueBrad

If Crim's telling the truth I only have one thing to say "Told ya!!!"

If Crim's not telling the truth I only have one thing to say "doh!!!"

[st.cronin]

I have just skimmed through to see what happened with the vote, I think the result of the vote + night actions is clearly advantage: villagers. I'm not ready to interpret anything, but I was dosed by the bartender again last night.

[st.cronin]

Am I correct in saying that EagleFan made a last second vote that saved Chief Rum and forced a tie?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I have just skimmed through to see what happened with the vote, I think the result of the vote + night actions is clearly advantage: villagers. I'm not ready to interpret anything, but I was dosed by the bartender again last night.

Wow, whoever the bartender is is not a fan of yours.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Am I correct in saying that EagleFan made a last second vote that saved Chief Rum and forced a tie?

Yes, he did. He says he didn't do it intentionally, and thought he was breaking a tie.

I am probably alone in this, but I for one am quite happy he did this. And if you all succeed in killing me, you will find out you would have been happy,t oo, as you would then discover I am the villager I have claimed to be all along. Hopefully you will wise up.

So, thank you, Eaglefan.

[Chief Rum]

And thank you, Crim! You are exactly the right person to come out with this, because you were by far my #1 trusted before this. Now I am certain. PurdueBrad was on my list, and I got a bad vibe off of him earlier today, but it wasn't enough to go off of. Just a feeling. Really happy to see those instincts were on the money.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Ollie, your advice is appreciated. I think I'm going a different route but one that still could make a big difference.

vote Chief Rum

Take note, people. Unless you think a wolf would hang a fellow wolf so close to the deadline.

[Chief Rum]

My trust list:

Most trusted

Myself (duh)

Inside the COT

Crim--outed a wolf; newbie enthusiasm; has been very helpful, NC went after Crim under the gun on Day One
Eaglefan-- newbie enthusiasm as well, voted for NC for a time on Day One; saved my ass, regardless of what he was trying to do, coulda chose me and didn't
Oliegirl-- Vote was on NC at end of Day One, before and after reveal

I'm okay with them

hoopsguy-- he could be hoodwinking me, but I don't think so; I get a good vibe
Raiders Army-- just hasn't struck me as wolfish; seems to see what I'm getting at with Render

Neutral

Arlington Colt-- Hasn't posted enough to get a read; concerned about UTR wolf
MrDNA-- Posting a little more than Colt, but not by much; same concerns
Passacaglia-- Too much of a vet to be this quiet; I should have more of a read on him, and the fact I don't is concerning.

Distrust

st.cronin-- Still think it likely hoops and I and cronin are all villagers talking out of our asses, but st.cronin's stubborness really triggers alarms with me; it's not that he doesn't buy what I'm saying, but that he's so adamantly convinced I am wrong (or is certainly trying to fight against what I am suggesting).
path-- self-preservation vote or not, he voted for me near the end of the day; in fact, he would have put in the killing order. I have been wary of path and he was already ratcheting up with me before this.
Render-- Last time I saw Render so gungho to come after someone as he has me, he turned out to be a wolf in Alan's Sorcerer game; I still think he could be a ballsy wolf with his Barkeep kill

He's A Wolf

Purduebrad-- Nuff said.

[Chief Rum]

All right, I have two things to announce.

One, I asked Lathum earlier today specifically about the chain of events on Day One. He confirmed that all actions were received by deadline on Day One, meaning the wolves would have thought Neon was the seer and not known about RPI when they sent their action in.

Two, after Night Two (the night Barkeep and AlanT were killed), I found a kitchen knife. That's right, I have had it in my power to kill someone at any point since then. I have been carefully crafting when to use it. I almost used it Monday morning, but held back.

Here's what I propose. Let's discuss who else we want to see die besides PurdueBrad. I am going to pass the knife to someone tomorrow. I'm not saying who. And I will recommend that that someone use the knife on whomever the people choose to go after.

[hoopsguy]

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[hoopsguy]

Also, assuming that PB is shown as wolfy, this should vault both Crim and Raiders Army to the top of trust lists. Crim stated that Raiders passed him the tray which was used for a successful block! The wolves would have to be awfully cocky to attempt a kill on a person who had the tray instead of going elsewhere. I don't think they would do this, so I would certainly move Raiders to high trust if/when Purdue is who Crim says he is.

Agree with Chief that he comes out of this looking pretty good with a wolf putting him in the line of fire. Although I think they would be fine with a tie, a kill is better. So that is the interesting question of the day (or of tomorrow, if you want to wait for results to come in) ... why did Purdue force a tie instead of voting for one of the leaders? And what do we make of the following votes by Path and EagleFan?

I'm not sure how much availabilty I'll have this afternoon, but I should definitely be around this evening to partake in discussion. In the meantime, I think we are committed to this course of action today.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[PurdueBrad]

So I go to bed with a vote on Crim for the second day and he comes out and says I'm a wolf? If you guys want to go with him fine. You're wrong, but I don't have any villager powers so it doesn't matter sacrificing me. All you'll do the next day is string him up. I'm fine with that, it's a 1-1 trade and you'll eventually get the wolf out of the deal. Consider one question, as the ONLY person on Crim yesterday, what sense would it make to kill him last night because that would only make me look incredibly wolf-like. It's a set-up, a good one, but still a set-up.

I believe I'm now the second villager that is going to say this though around a bad lynch, I hope you're next Crim, thanks a lot.

continues to vote Crim

The rest of the villagers, I understand going along with this so good luck, and get Crim tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

PB, the reason the wolves would want to kill Crim is that, outside of you, most of us trust him. So if he is in fact a villager then it is going to be tough to get him voted off - which means you either have to outlast him or night-kill him.

I don't think we are down to end-game with 13 players left - that would imply at least five wolves at this point (including the brutal wolf). I doubt they started with five and the Goth. So it is going to be hard to convince me that we need to consider a Crim vote under that scenario.

[hoopsguy]

Chief, when you arrive - does this change your thoughts on Day 1 at all? Now that we have seen how the items work, that we know there was not a bodyguard block in place for Day 1 on Neon, etc?

[Passacaglia]

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Chief, I'm thinking Eagle has to die next. I know you're happy that he saved you (and so am I), but I'm worried that he might have forced a tie in order to save RendeR, who was absent until shortly AFTER deadline.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

PB, the reason the wolves would want to kill Crim is that, outside of you, most of us trust him. So if he is in fact a villager then it is going to be tough to get him voted off - which means you either have to outlast him or night-kill him.

I don't think we are down to end-game with 13 players left - that would imply at least five wolves at this point (including the brutal wolf). I doubt they started with five and the Goth. So it is going to be hard to convince me that we need to consider a Crim vote under that scenario.

Hoops, don't expect anybody to change their vote, I know I'm going here. I want to make sure nobody lets Crim off the hook tomorrow night when this is wrong.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Chief, when you arrive - does this change your thoughts on Day 1 at all? Now that we have seen how the items work, that we know there was not a bodyguard block in place for Day 1 on Neon, etc?

How do we know there was no BG block? Did Telle say nothing explicitly happened that night? She protected you, right? I don't recall if we ever got a clear picture of what happens when the BG gets a block, or if the wolf is just scared away without making an appearance.

The trays certainly seem to result in something happening, though, and Telle didn't protect Neon that night. So if the wolves took a chance that the BG wouldn't be around to change her protection, they scored. And they were probably surprised when their attack came back as a conversion. And then they saw the lynch order. Or something all like that. Must have been a fun night for the wolves.

All in all, I would now lean to saying that Neon must have been the Goth. For the first time, IMO, we know enough to say the odds now much more strongly favor that conclusion.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Chief, I'm thinking Eagle has to die next. I know you're happy that he saved you (and so am I), but I'm worried that he might have forced a tie in order to save RendeR, who was absent until shortly AFTER deadline.

Hmm, that's a concern. I just don't get a wolf vibe from Eaglefan. If anything, he might have been saving me. Or convinced of path's badness.

I think we have better candidates.

[Raiders Army]

UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE PURDUEBRAD

w00t. While I'm sad to say that I saved a Broncos fan, I'd rather think that I saved a villager by passing you the tray Crim.

[Crim]

VOTE NIGHTFALL