WW IL - Do Werewolves Dream of Electric Sheep? Game Over, page 36 - Page 29

LoneStarGirl · 07-23-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Guaranteed? Really? Because those are the kind of statements I always find a bit off.

Especially when I am 100% sure I am not.

Everybody is voting for Barkeep and Lathum is trying to push everybody's buttons. It is like he wants us to get off of BK and vote for him... but I will wait for tomorrow to do that.

path12 · 07-23-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

and who were our seers?

Well, twothree has come out as Deckard, and I thought that someone said st.cronin scanned them, so I figured them. Am I mistaken?

And you still didn't answer my question about the guarantee.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Especially when I am 100% sure I am not.

Everybody is voting for Barkeep and Lathum is trying to push everybody's buttons. It is like he wants us to get off of BK and vote for him... but I will wait for tomorrow to do that.

whose buttons am I pushing?

chiefrum is wrong and you fell in line with faulty logic.

LoneStarGirl · 07-23-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

whose buttons am I pushing?

chiefrum is wrong and you fell in line with faulty logic.

We will see my friend, we will see.

On a different note, this game seems never ending. I wonder if Tanglewood can give us a hint about how much longer he predicts this game will last.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Well, twothree has come out as Deckard, and I thought that someone said st.cronin scanned them, so I figured them. Am I mistaken?

And you still didn't answer my question about the guarantee.

exactly Path.

Cronin scanned me night one which is why he listed me in his COT. Does anyone think Cronin wasn't holden? And if he wasn't then who is and how come there was no night 3 scan And why would cronin just randomly published a COT when he was in danger?

LSG is 99.9% a bad guy in my book, I think she knows she was spotted by twothree ans is trying to cast doubt on me when there can be no doubt I was cronins night one scan.

LoneStarGirl · 07-23-2007, 07:21 PM

Lathum this is not your game... you are way off.

Chief Rum · 07-23-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Well, twothree has come out as Deckard, and I thought that someone said st.cronin scanned them, so I figured them. Am I mistaken?

And you still didn't answer my question about the guarantee.

The only ones to say cronin was a seer are the wolves, BK and Lathum.

cronin himself denied he was a seer. He in fact said he was scanned by Holden.

Chief Rum · 07-23-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

exactly Path.

Cronin scanned me night one which is why he listed me in his COT. Does anyone think Cronin wasn't holden? And if he wasn't then who is and how come there was no night 3 scan And why would cronin just randomly published a COT when he was in danger?

LSG is 99.9% a bad guy in my book, I think she knows she was spotted by twothree ans is trying to cast doubt on me when there can be no doubt I was cronins night one scan.

We don't even know if the other BR is still alive. twothree went to use his kill on Night Three, so he wasn't scanning.

cronin didn't think he was in danger. In fact, in the very post where he stated his COT (which, BTW, was very tentative, no iron lock for you and Telle; read his post), he said he thought the three of you (including himself) shouldn't be protected that night because your reveals show none of you are seers, and wolves would want to find the seers.

Bad luck for him, I guess, since you're a wolf and knew he would likely not be protected.

Of course bad luck for you and Barkeep, too, since I wasn't watching over him, but over BK instead, and caught him in a lie.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

The only ones to say cronin was a seer are the wolves, BK and Lathum.

cronin himself denied he was a seer. He in fact said he was scanned by Holden.

well of course he did, why would he out himself like that?

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Lathum this is not your game... you are way off.

then who is holden?
who was scanned night 1?
who was scanned last night?

Telle · 07-23-2007, 07:33 PM

Generally in WW games, if a bodyguard ends up guarding a wolf who performs a kill that night, does the bodyguard see? Or if the person they're guarding performs some specific action that would give away his role, would the bodyguard be told about in in his PM?

Alan T · 07-23-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Generally in WW games, if a bodyguard ends up guarding a wolf who performs a kill that night, does the bodyguard see? Or if the person they're guarding performs some specific action that would give away his role, would the bodyguard be told about in in his PM?

Not always. Nothing in WW is absolute

Telle · 07-23-2007, 07:58 PM

Well at this point I'm inclined to believe Lathum. And I don't think Cheif Rum is lying.. I just don't think that him not seeing certain things means what he thinks it does. The only one that I see as being absolute was when he guarded Barkeep and was explicately told that Barkeep had no visitors.

RendeR · 07-23-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

then who is holden?
who was scanned night 1?
who was scanned last night?

Holden is alive.

St. Cronin was scanned night 1

No-one.

not sure I can offer more than that at this time.

RendeR · 07-23-2007, 08:17 PM

Vote Barkeep

Alan T · 07-23-2007, 08:29 PM

Vote barkeep

tanglewood · 07-23-2007, 09:02 PM

Voting closed, results shortly.

tanglewood · 07-23-2007, 09:09 PM

Day 5 Final Vote Count

Barkeep49 - 9 Lathum, LoneStarGirl, Chief Rum, ntndeacon, Jonathan Ezarik, path12, Telle, RendeR, Alan T
Chief Rum - 1 Barkeep49

Did not vote: twothree (incapacitated)

The verdict is essentially unanimous, Barkeep49 must be exiled to the waste mines of Mars. Have a nice trip....

Night 5 actions must be pm'ed to me by 10am EST tommorow.

Twothree has been released from hospital and thusly is now entitled to post.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Holden is alive.

St. Cronin was scanned night 1

No-one.

not sure I can offer more than that at this time.

why wouldn't Holden scan last night?

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 09:11 PM

dola- and why didn't Cronins scan details match up with Telle's?

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 09:12 PM

if I die tonight look at LSG and Chiefrum

Telle · 07-23-2007, 09:16 PM

Well hopefully once twothree shows up he can give us his account of last night.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Well hopefully once twothree shows up he can give us his account of last night.

he may not be able to if he is targeted again

Telle · 07-23-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

he may not be able to if he is targeted again

The night actions don't take place until the deadline at 10am. So he has between now and then.

Alan T · 07-23-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

if I die tonight look at LSG and Chiefrum

So for arguement sake, if somehow you are good, you think you'd be targeted over Telle or Twothree or any of the UtR people who haven't been cleared but haven't drawn suspicion either?

If you're good, then the wolves have done a good job at setting you up because I'll surely vote for either you or LSG tommorrow.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

The night actions don't take place until the deadline at 10am. So he has between now and then.

I am guessing he won't be able to communicat until after the night phase.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

So for arguement sake, if somehow you are good, you think you'd be targeted over Telle or Twothree or any of the UtR people who haven't been cleared but haven't drawn suspicion either?

If you're good, then the wolves have done a good job at setting you up because I'll surely vote for either you or LSG tommorrow.

I don't see how you could possibly think I am bad. It would have to be a perfect storm for it to make any sense, how do you not see the gapping holes in chiefrums theories.

And LSG is making less sense.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 09:47 PM

dola- and it really doesn't matter because if I am lynched we won't learn a thing. This is the last non role reveal game I am ever playing in because there is nothing absolute.

I know Cronin was Holden yet he comes up just as "human" after he is dead. It's impossible to for any theories without any absolute information.

Alan T · 07-23-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I am guessing he won't be able to communicat until after the night phase.

Tanglewood has already said he is allowed to post now, so hopefully he shows up.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Tanglewood has already said he is allowed to post now, so hopefully he shows up.

i didn't see that. I am curious to hear what he has to say

Telle · 07-23-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I am guessing he won't be able to communicat until after the night phase.

Tangle already said that he's free to post now.

twothree · 07-23-2007, 10:45 PM

Sorry, just got back from work. Let me get caught up.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by twothree

Sorry, just got back from work. Let me get caught up.

this should be good

twothree · 07-23-2007, 11:01 PM

Here is what I know.

1. I was getting ready to leave in order to go test Barkeep when someone showed up at my door.
2. It was Barkeep who was at the door. And, he volunteered to take the Voight-Kampff test.
3. Barkeep failed the test. He was a replicant.
4. I tried to draw and fire my pistol, but before I could fire the pistol Barkeep attacked me.
5. I awoke in the hospital.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by twothree

Here is what I know.

1. I was getting ready to leave in order to go test Barkeep when someone showed up at my door.
2. It was Barkeep who was at the door. And, he volunteered to take the Voight-Kampff test.
3. Barkeep failed the test. He was a replicant.
4. I tried to draw and fire my pistol, but before I could fire the pistol Barkeep attacked me.
5. I awoke in the hospital.

so no sign of a bodyguard?

Telle · 07-23-2007, 11:05 PM

Which means we made a good choice sending Barkeep off to Mars! Awesome!

Now, the way the rules are written it seems that only one replicant can kill at will.. and it would appear that that was Barkeep.. so does this mean no more wolf night-kills?

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 11:07 PM

twothree, I would be curious to hear your thoughts about the rest of the day

twothree · 07-23-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Oh wow, I got a lot more information then that. twothree would be dead tonight if I weren't there. I guess the Replicants were hoping I wasn't still alive.

I set up watch outside of his place, but across the way. He was about to head out, and I was making to follow. So I think this tends to confirm his Bladerunner story (unless you think he's a replicant, and my story should further confirm that's not the case).

Just before he was to leave, he got a visitor. I wasn't close enough to intervene, but wasn't sure he was in danger either. When I heard a gunshot, I made use of a grapple and line to fly across to twothree's room window and crash through it. I saw two people in the act of murdering him. I shot them both--several times. They did not fall, but they did hightail it and run. Humans die when they are shot. These two did not.

twothree had a broken back and neck. I would have chased after them, but he was going to die if I didn't help him. So I slapped some first aid patches on (something like that) and took him to the hospital, where I left him near the entrance. He was soon gathered up and taken inside.

Wow, this has taken an interesting turn.

There might be a few problems with this story. Chief Rum heard a gunshot. I never did. Chief Rum saw two people. I only saw Barkeep.

Telle · 07-23-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

so no sign of a bodyguard?

Well somehow he got to the hospital...

twothree · 07-23-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

so no sign of a bodyguard?

I never saw anyone except Barkeep.

twothree · 07-23-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Well somehow he got to the hospital...

And, I don't know how.

path12 · 07-23-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Holden is alive.

St. Cronin was scanned night 1

No-one.

not sure I can offer more than that at this time.

Can you then say if either Chief or Lathum is lying?

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by twothree

There might be a few problems with this story. Chief Rum heard a gunshot. I never did. Chief Rum saw two people. I only saw Barkeep.

interesting

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 11:14 PM

Holden is dead, Cronin was Holden

Telle · 07-23-2007, 11:15 PM

So twothree, are you going to make a kill tonight? Any thoughts on who you should go for?

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

So twothree, are you going to make a kill tonight? Any thoughts on who you should go for?

I nominate LSG since she attempted to cast suspiscoun that you are who you are

path12 · 07-23-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

So twothree, are you going to make a kill tonight? Any thoughts on who you should go for?

I don't think it would be wise for him to say while the replicants are still able to send in their orders.

twothree · 07-23-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

So twothree, are you going to make a kill tonight? Any thoughts on who you should go for?

Right now, I plan to attempt to kill our "bodyguard", Chief Rum. Unless I see some evidence that Chief Rum is human from someone besides Chief Rum.

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by twothree

Right now, I plan to attempt to kill our "bodyguard", Chief Rum. Unless I see some evidence that Chief Rum is human from someone besides Chief Rum.

does anyone know if there is a mechanic where the BG is able to protect the same player consecutive nights?

Lathum · 07-23-2007, 11:22 PM

TWOTHREE, this is important to me.

Were you and Holden able to communicate?

07-23-2007, 08:17 PM	#1415
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Vote Barkeep __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-23-2007, 09:09 PM	#1418
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Day 5 Final Vote Count Barkeep49 - 9 Lathum, LoneStarGirl, Chief Rum, ntndeacon, Jonathan Ezarik, path12, Telle, RendeR, Alan T Chief Rum - 1 Barkeep49 Did not vote: twothree (incapacitated) The verdict is essentially unanimous, Barkeep49 must be exiled to the waste mines of Mars. Have a nice trip.... Night 5 actions must be pm'ed to me by 10am EST tommorow. Twothree has been released from hospital and thusly is now entitled to post. Last edited by tanglewood : 07-23-2007 at 09:11 PM.

07-23-2007, 07:21 PM	#1406
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	Lathum this is not your game... you are way off.

07-23-2007, 07:33 PM	#1411
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Generally in WW games, if a bodyguard ends up guarding a wolf who performs a kill that night, does the bodyguard see? Or if the person they're guarding performs some specific action that would give away his role, would the bodyguard be told about in in his PM?

07-23-2007, 07:58 PM	#1413
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well at this point I'm inclined to believe Lathum. And I don't think Cheif Rum is lying.. I just don't think that him not seeing certain things means what he thinks it does. The only one that I see as being absolute was when he guarded Barkeep and was explicately told that Barkeep had no visitors.

07-23-2007, 08:29 PM	#1416
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Vote barkeep

07-23-2007, 09:02 PM	#1417
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Voting closed, results shortly.

07-23-2007, 09:11 PM	#1420
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- and why didn't Cronins scan details match up with Telle's?

07-23-2007, 09:12 PM	#1421
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	if I die tonight look at LSG and Chiefrum

07-23-2007, 09:16 PM	#1422
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well hopefully once twothree shows up he can give us his account of last night.

07-23-2007, 09:47 PM	#1428
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- and it really doesn't matter because if I am lynched we won't learn a thing. This is the last non role reveal game I am ever playing in because there is nothing absolute. I know Cronin was Holden yet he comes up just as "human" after he is dead. It's impossible to for any theories without any absolute information.

07-23-2007, 10:45 PM	#1432
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	Sorry, just got back from work. Let me get caught up.

07-23-2007, 11:01 PM	#1434
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	Here is what I know. 1. I was getting ready to leave in order to go test Barkeep when someone showed up at my door. 2. It was Barkeep who was at the door. And, he volunteered to take the Voight-Kampff test. 3. Barkeep failed the test. He was a replicant. 4. I tried to draw and fire my pistol, but before I could fire the pistol Barkeep attacked me. 5. I awoke in the hospital.

07-23-2007, 11:05 PM	#1436
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Which means we made a good choice sending Barkeep off to Mars! Awesome! Now, the way the rules are written it seems that only one replicant can kill at will.. and it would appear that that was Barkeep.. so does this mean no more wolf night-kills?

07-23-2007, 11:07 PM	#1437
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	twothree, I would be curious to hear your thoughts about the rest of the day

07-23-2007, 11:14 PM	#1444
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Holden is dead, Cronin was Holden

07-23-2007, 11:15 PM	#1445
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	So twothree, are you going to make a kill tonight? Any thoughts on who you should go for?

07-23-2007, 11:22 PM	#1450
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	TWOTHREE, this is important to me. Were you and Holden able to communicate?

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