WW LXVI: Money Money Money (Game Over!)

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm willing to take a little heat if it gets you a bit more active in the conversation.

I think everyone (but you and Alan) is playing this game close to the vest so you calling me out is just odd.

[DaddyTorgo]

in-thread: myself, clap, hoops, mr.w, pass, schmidty, sndvls

[DaddyTorgo]

seeing pass here makes me think that maybe we have another wolf on the block or some antics about to happen.

[SnDvls]

vote clap
vote clap



just to keep everyone honest

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I think everyone (but you and Alan) is playing this game close to the vest so you calling me out is just odd.

Not at all - you are one of the people who has voted every day. You were on the wrong side of the vote on a wolf. That is a pretty good starting point for looking at you.

The biggest difference between you and Clap is that there was reason, based on Clap's money, to avoid voting for him today. Because the info on his money made an argument (at least how I read it) that he was less likely to be a wolf than you.

The others that fall into this group are:
Chief Rum - who has given out a good amount of info, for better or worse
Schmidty - would probably be my next target for original wolf at moment, but I would like to start by discussing you

[hoopsguy]

Clap, if we are past deadline do you feel like tipping your hand in advance of our friendly neighborhood moderator?

[claphamsa]

sure, but since you are also a wolf you know all about me and my 300K

[Mr. Wednesday]

It looks past deadline to me. DT, did you want to talk now about what you were doing?

[claphamsa]

stupid Cds....

[DaddyTorgo]

as for why I voted hoops: I wanted to tie hoops and schmidty up at 2. Figured that way if the wolves wanted to save clap they would have to choose between schmidty and hoops on a level playing field financially and that might tell us a bit more about if one of them was another wolf.

Not a fabulous reason, but the clap vote seemed like it didn't need me.

[claphamsa]

and thats for the extra votes sundevils..not that it matters were about 150 K above yalls anyways. even losing my huge Cds.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Schmidty - would probably be my next target for original wolf at moment, but I would like to start by discussing you

Do you really think that I, of all people, would put himself out there like this, (challenging a player that I know can out-talk me, and definitely out analyze me) if I were a wolf? Ridiculous thinking.

But go ahead and target me tomorrow. If I get lynched (and haven't been converted by then), everyone will see what I am pretty sure of: You are a wolf.

[claphamsa]

hoops is not a wolf...

[claphamsa]

ok so maybe he is

[claphamsa]

or maybe not

[claphamsa]

but you never know...

[claphamsa]

then again im pretty sure BK is a wolf too

[claphamsa]

pass wasnt a wolf, we just pretended.

[claphamsa]

had tea partys and stuff

[claphamsa]

VOTE ST CRONIN

[claphamsa]

VOTE ST CRONIN.

sorry forgot to bold

[claphamsa]

and can we go ahead and add 11PM sunday hockey games to the stupidest excuse for not discussing?

[claphamsa]

by that I mean is sucks, its not convinient!

[claphamsa]

man this is a tough room

[claphamsa]

who wants to bet that Santana spend 4+months on the DL this year?

[claphamsa]

am i in the wrogn thread?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Do you think that it's one or the other, or could it be both?

I want to come back around on this, as I answered it earlier while I was a little distracted with other stuff going on in the house. As I noted earlier, Clap and SnDvls voted in lockstep on Days 2 and 3, which makes me believe that they are not both wolves. I actually believe - based on the anecdotal evidence tied to # of votes + wrong votes on Pass - that one was an original wolf. Outside chance of other being the convert, but that seems like a longshot.

If I was coming up with percentages, I would list them something like this (very unscientific):
65% one of them is a wolf
25% neither is a wolf
9% one is convert, other is original wolf
1% both are original wolves

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I want to come back around on this, as I answered it earlier while I was a little distracted with other stuff going on in the house. As I noted earlier, Clap and SnDvls voted in lockstep on Days 2 and 3, which makes me believe that they are not both wolves. I actually believe - based on the anecdotal evidence tied to # of votes + wrong votes on Pass - that one was an original wolf. Outside chance of other being the convert, but that seems like a longshot.

If I was coming up with percentages, I would list them something like this (very unscientific):
65% one of them is a wolf
25% neither is a wolf
9% one is convert, other is original wolf
1% both are original wolves

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wow ur behind.. u need me to post some ketchup porn pics?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Do you really think that I, of all people, would put himself out there like this, (challenging a player that I know can out-talk me, and definitely out analyze me) if I were a wolf? Ridiculous thinking.

But go ahead and target me tomorrow. If I get lynched (and haven't been converted by then), everyone will see what I am pretty sure of: You are a wolf.

Schmidty, I'm just glad to have you actively involved in the thread for a portion of each day. If the manifestation of that involvement is you voting for me three straight days then I'll deal with it.

As far as you, SnDvls, or any of the remaining players go - I try to re-evaluate all the time in these games. So bring me an in-game argument on why you wouldn't be a bad guy if you think I'm barking up the wrong tree. I certainly listen to, and sometimes promote, the meta-game stuff but I'm a sucker for in-game logic.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

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wow ur behind.. u need me to post some ketchup porn pics?

Today did appear to be a foregone conclusion ...

[claphamsa]

I saw some LOLCAT porn a couple weeks ago... it was distrubing!

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Schmidty, I'm just glad to have you actively involved in the thread for a portion of each day. If the manifestation of that involvement is you voting for me three straight days then I'll deal with it.

Thanks man.

[claphamsa]

OMG the mets signed tony armas?

[claphamsa]

I wonder where Bk is. Im woried I might die......

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Schmidty, I'm just glad to have you actively involved in the thread for a portion of each day. If the manifestation of that involvement is you voting for me three straight days then I'll deal with it.

As far as you, SnDvls, or any of the remaining players go - I try to re-evaluate all the time in these games. So bring me an in-game argument on why you wouldn't be a bad guy if you think I'm barking up the wrong tree. I certainly listen to, and sometimes promote, the meta-game stuff but I'm a sucker for in-game logic.

what would you like me to add that I haven't already? I haven't been scanned, which is usually par for the course for me in games as I'm not a strong player and I'm not one of the weaker ones either I'm a tweener. No one is threatened if I'm a villager as they feel I'll be picked off by a dumb village lynch and I'm not much of a wolf either.

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, that is what makes evaluating you hard at this point - there isn't much info to work off of one way or the other. Which is why, all things being equal, I would rather have you posting so I at least have some volume in the posts to help develop more of a feel.

And I think you do pretty well for yourself in the games you participate, fwiw.

[Barkeep49]

The man is a liar. Liars shouldn't be wealthy. Wait that doesn't make sense as you lie all the time and you damn well deserve every cent you have. Liars who lie about how much money they have shouldn't be wealthy. So you bankrupt Clap. And you're not surprised when the creditors find all sorts of murder weapons at his house. Only a Cutthroat would say that he had LESS money stolen from him than he really had. You, however, would have inflated it for insurance purposes.

In auction news:
The bodyguard went for 55863
The lawyer went for 1501
The Hitman went for 69866

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, that is what makes evaluating you hard at this point - there isn't much info to work off of one way or the other. Which is why, all things being equal, I would rather have you posting so I at least have some volume in the posts to help develop more of a feel.

And I think you do pretty well for yourself in the games you participate, fwiw.

I always participate FWIW

if I don't have anything to add to the conversation why muddle the picture?
I think I've been pretty active and posting quite a bit so I don't know where you are coming from.

I'd say I've posted more than at leat 4-5 people still in this game right now...even had a pretty open back and forth w/ a wolf too, and if you believe that was a ploy it was a very poor ploy by both Pass and I if you think we are/were both wolves.

[claphamsa]

::SOB::

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, fwiw I trust you a heck of a lot more after today. See post #1427.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so any thoughts on why a wolf would not have had money in bank or on hand? This confuses me ...

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, so any thoughts on why a wolf would not have had money in bank or on hand? This confuses me ...

it was either in a CD or it was already passed to one "bidder" a while ago to get more interest on a lump sum.

[DaddyTorgo]

so did Mr. W misreport the amount of $$ he stole? that's what BK's writeup seems to indicate...

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Players may give money to each other in the thread, though once per day the Cutthroat may transfer money from one player to another privately by PM’ing me.

I think everyone is making an assumpton that cutthroats can only pass $ once...it never says that and is a flawed assumption

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, but they can't pass money in CDs - and between Chief and MrW we verified Clap didn't have any money on hand or in the bank.

If Clap did have money locked away in CDs, and we caught them where they were stuck and unable to move it, then we got a huge break with the money game today. I just don't understand why a wolf would do that, since they have more incentive to be liquid than any individual member of the Rich.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so did Mr. W misreport the amount of $$ he stole? that's what BK's writeup seems to indicate...

Try reading the kill again. If I was unclear I'll have to clear it up.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Try reading the kill again. If I was unclear I'll have to clear it up.

i'm sure i'm just retarded

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, but they can't pass money in CDs - and between Chief and MrW we verified Clap didn't have any money on hand or in the bank.

If Clap did have money locked away in CDs, and we caught them where they were stuck and unable to move it, then we got a huge break with the money game today. I just don't understand why a wolf would do that, since they have more incentive to be liquid than any individual member of the Rich.

or he passed the majority of it prior to all the scans/events that happened

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so did Mr. W misreport the amount of $$ he stole? that's what BK's writeup seems to indicate...

I think that is in reference to Mr.W saying he got 9k from Claphasma, but Claphasma saying mr.w only stole 7512.. which was one of the two descrepencies that I had with Claphasma's story earlier in the day thus my vote for him.

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I think everyone is making an assumpton that cutthroats can only pass $ once...it never says that and is a flawed assumption

The post you quoted, says the opposite. It says they can only pass money privately once a day. They can technically pass as much as they want, but the other times has to be publically posted in-thread according to the rules you quoted. That is my interpretation at least.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I think that is in reference to Mr.W saying he got 9k from Claphasma, but Claphasma saying mr.w only stole 7512.. which was one of the two descrepencies that I had with Claphasma's story earlier in the day thus my vote for him.



The post you quoted, says the opposite. It says they can only pass money privately once a day. They can technically pass as much as they want, but the other times has to be publically posted in-thread according to the rules you quoted. That is my interpretation at least.

if there are 3 wolves that's 3 passes is it not?