POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Better to work out excises for why he lost. Russians again? Jill Stein? Way more time to get creative.

I think the odds are pretty good he loses, and it wouldn't be for me to 'work out excuses'. But it's far from certain, and stuff like the 400 electoral votes are what I think is nuts.

I think Biden could (I'm not at all hoping for this to be clear) literally die and not be replaced on the ticket and Trump still wouldn't get that many.

[PilotMan]

Sigh. Biden had the right response, but I hate that he had to give it and couldn't take the low road response, reply like trump would have done and blame everyone else for it happening, like Biden.

I just hate that this overshadows Dr Ruth and Richard Simmons passing.

[GrantDawg]

I would say 400 would be near impossible, but 307-322 is definitely in play.

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[RainMaker]

He's seems to have 311 safely. New Jersey, New Hampshire, and New Mexico may be in play. So probably a ceiling of 334 which is still incredible with such an unpopular canddiate.

[Qwikshot]

Took a long walk this morning, it's beautiful out and not too hot yet.

I thought about yesterday, Dr. Ruth going, then Richard Simmons and then we get the Trump thing...

I don't think it changes things. Trump already has a slight lead but his negatives are still there. His followers are still his followers. His opponents are still his opponents.

For moderates or undecided, I think longview is we're tired of this shit, it's been an escalation, his past four years were a stress induced nightmare of fuckery.

I get Biden is old and boring; guess what, that's good, it's good for America to have a steadying force that just gets shit done.

Trump in office will not get anything done save for Trump; his minions will do what they can to carve off pieces for themselves.

It will not get better.

[Ghost Econ]

So, a registered Republican. Doesn't necessarily mean anything and the narrative is already written.

[PilotMan]

I would say the lone wolf, extremist terror threats have been on the rise, and have been the primary threat in this country for quite some time. This isn't necessarily that, but it's not necessarily that either. The temp continues to rise in the country. This won't be a 'bring the people together moment', nor will it be the point where cooling is even attempted. I still don't think we're at 1968 levels of fear, but we're quickly closing.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I would say the lone wolf, extremist terror threats have been on the rise, and have been the primary threat in this country for quite some time. This isn't necessarily that, but it's not necessarily that either. The temp continues to rise in the country. This won't be a 'bring the people together moment', nor will it be the point where cooling is even attempted. I still don't think we're at 1968 levels of fear, but we're quickly closing.

1968. Exactly what has been on my mind all night.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

For moderates or undecided, I think longview is we're tired of this shit, it's been an escalation, his past four years were a stress induced nightmare of fuckery.

I get Biden is old and boring; guess what, that's good, it's good for America to have a steadying force that just gets shit done.

I have serious doubts that Biden is anything but a puppet at this point and I believe he will not get anything done for the next four years. Things will be done, but not by his doing. He’s essentially in a reverse-regency status at this point.

As for being boring, 5 days prior to this assassination attempt, Kenneth Vogel of The NY Times reported that Biden told donors via phone call that, “I’m done with talking about the debate. It’s time to put a bullseye on Trump.” That’s not boring language, he probably misspoke or read something his staff handed him to read, but it certainly isn’t boring the day after Trump was put in a bullseye.

Thankfully the shooter missed (the candidate at least) and I’m hopeful the fiery rhetoric on the far left tones down.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Dutch

As for being boring, 5 days prior to this assassination attempt, Kenneth Vogel of The NY Times reported that Biden told donors via phone call that, “I’m done with talking about the debate. It’s time to put a bullseye on Trump.” That’s not boring language, he probably misspoke or read something his staff handed him to read, but it certainly isn’t boring the day after Trump was put in a bullseye.

Thankfully the shooter missed (the candidate at least) and I’m hopeful the fiery rhetoric on the far left tones down.

Wait... you're comparing escalating rhetoric on social media and TV by mostly rght-wing politicians with a closed-door comment Biden made to megarich people as being similar, inferring it has some causal connection to this shooting? Like, Biden's comment that no one heard about and is a commonly-used phrase is the same as Paul Gosar's comic book stabbing of AOC or the President of Heritage Foundation warning "we'd have a bloodless revolution if the left allows it" on TV (among dozens of examples)? Are you serious?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Wait... you're comparing escalating rhetoric on social media and TV by mostly rght-wing politicians with a closed-door comment Biden made to megarich people as being similar, inferring it has some causal connection to this shooting? Like, Biden's comment that no one heard about and is a commonly-used phrase is the same as Paul Gosar's comic book stabbing of AOC or the President of Heritage Foundation warning "we'd have a bloodless revolution if the left allows it" on TV (among dozens of examples)? Are you serious?

Or Trump reposting a truck that has a picture of Biden tied up in the bed?

[Lathum]

Or the countless tactless posts about Paul Pelosi.

What happened with trump was terrible, but the current GOP has embraced violence.

[GrantDawg]

First pic of the shooter pre-shot I have seen.


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[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

For moderates or undecided, I think longview is we're tired of this shit, it's been an escalation, his past four years were a stress induced nightmare of fuckery.

I get Biden is old and boring; guess what, that's good, it's good for America to have a steadying force that just gets shit done.

I have serious doubts that Biden is anything but a puppet at this point and I believe he will not get anything done for the next four years. Things will be done, but not by his doing. He’s essentially in a reverse-regency status at this point.

As for being boring, 5 days prior to this assassination attempt, Kenneth Vogel of The NY Times reported that Biden told donors via phone call that, “I’m done with talking about the debate. It’s time to put a bullseye on Trump.” That’s not boring language, he probably misspoke or read something his staff handed him to read, but it certainly isn’t boring the day after Trump was put in a bullseye.

Thankfully the shooter missed (the candidate at least) and I’m hopeful the fiery rhetoric on the far left tones down.

[cartman]

there is a glitch with the Dutch bot

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Dutch

I’m hopeful the fiery rhetoric on the far left tones down.

This is such a shit take. Trump preachers political violence and literally has quoted Hitler, claimed he will be a dictator, tried to overthrow democracy, and has a plan in place to create a fascist government.

Everything the "far left" claims is absolute truth. Maybe if Trump wasn't so loathsome this wouldn't have happened.

[Kodos]

Lotsa idiots on Facebook saying it was staged. So the stupidity isn’t confined to the lunatic right.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by cartman

there is a glitch with the Dutch bot

The most literal interpretation of doubling down

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Lotsa idiots on Facebook saying it was staged. So the stupidity isn’t confined to the lunatic right.

And at least one elected official. Fucking idiots. But you know, when you see what works for the other side, time to go a-slummin' down the same dark alleys...

[Ksyrup]

Oh, and about my comments that SS did a shit job shielding Trump on the stage, Matt Walsh of course said "hold my beer" and is questioning why the FEMALE agent is ducking down to expose Trump's head.

These people have no limits. How someone can read/listen to this shit and then, as a female or LGBTQ or minority still vote for them boggles my mind.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by cartman

there is a glitch with the Dutch bot

Yeah man, this happens (I think) after I edit a post from my phone.

[PilotMan]

Who is Biden a puppet of again? I just want to know where the real power is.

[NobodyHere]

Trump Rally Suspect Had Explosive Devices in His Car: WSJ

I wonder what his full plan was.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Trump Rally Suspect Had Explosive Devices in His Car: WSJ

I wonder what his full plan was.

Early info seems to suggest he was a registered republican that was bullied throughout school. This may be less about politics and mostly just a guy that snapped and saw an opportunity.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Who is Biden a puppet of again? I just want to know where the real power is.

I prefer reverse-regency but I didn’t say he was for sure a puppet, he could be calling all the shots (figuratively, not literally) but at this point, I don’t believe he’s capable of running the country as anything other than a signature block on other people’s work, similar to a regency for a young king or queen.

I don’t believe he has the mental cognizance to make sharp executive veto of those advisors suggestions or how to put his own stamp on all of the decisions that the POTUS must make.

I believe this not because the White House has provided any official statement or document as proof, but because in everyday life we have things like Powers of Attorney to care for elders that need the help.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Dutch

he could be calling all the shots (figuratively, not literally)

If only Biden had added this parenthetical to his use of a similar common phrase, none of this would.have happened!

[Ksyrup]

Doesn't seem like a politically-motivated act from initial reports. Bullied loner, always wore hunting clothing, donated to a liberal PAC on Biden's inauguration day but later that year registered GOP, and no one they've spoken to who went to HS with him said he was overtly political.

[JPhillips]

It's pretty common that these types of shooters have no or contradictory political opinions. Hinckley famously shot Reagan to try and impress Jodi Foster.

[Edward64]

Amazing pic of the bullet

Bullets, blood and a raised fist: Dramatic images from Trump rally - BBC News

The New York Times photographer Doug Mills caught the moment a bullet appears to fly past.

Trump with a bloody face, raising his fist will play well …

On the other hand, Joe’s cognitive issue out of the news for a while.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Doesn't seem like a politically-motivated act from initial reports. Bullied loner, always wore hunting clothing, donated to a liberal PAC on Biden's inauguration day but later that year registered GOP, and no one they've spoken to who went to HS with him said he was overtly political.

i'm certain this is the angle FOX news and right wing media will take.

[Ksyrup]

Not when the likely VP has already declared this a liberal assassination attempt.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It's pretty common that these types of shooters have no or contradictory political opinions. Hinckley famously shot Reagan to try and impress Jodi Foster.

I really don't see the motive matter at all. It's done. The result is played. The pictures will carry on forever. Who did it or why is ancillary now.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Trump Rally Suspect Had Explosive Devices in His Car: WSJ

I wonder what his full plan was.

Planning to ram the area and set off explosives if he couldn't get the shooting position maybe?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Amazing pic of the bullet

Bullets, blood and a raised fist: Dramatic images from Trump rally - BBC News


Trump with a bloody face, raising his fist will play well …

On the other hand, Joe’s cognitive issue out of the news for a while.

I don't think it's out of the news, I think they'll be seen as being about the same thing - Joe has cognitive issues, while Trump can raise his fist after being shot.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't think it's out of the news, I think they'll be seen as being about the same thing - Joe has cognitive issues, while Trump can raise his fist after being shot.

Yeah what actually happened doesn't even matter at this point. The party of political fanfic has already written their stories.

[GrantDawg]

Another blow to the "good guy with a gun" talking point...

https://x.com/AP/status/181256413701...UHMrfUibQ&s=19

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[JonInMiddleGA]

The real story in all of this should be how the shooter was able to get into that position in the first place.

Which means it's the thing least likely to be resolved

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The real story in all of this should be how the shooter was able to get into that position in the first place.

Which means it's the thing least likely to be resolved

The fact that he got into that position and was then taken out within seconds says there was a massive breakdown.

It's well beyond time for some purging within the Secret Service and some accountability.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's well beyond time for some purging within the Secret Service and some accountability.

But I bet you'd have had a helluva time stealing chips & a soft drink anywhere around there

[GrantDawg]

I just don't get how between the SS and the local police forces that were pulled into the area, how there wasn't a body on every roof within the sight line. It just doesn't seem like that would have taken that much man-power.

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[CrimsonFox]

this was kinda funny

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I just don't get how between the SS and the local police forces that were pulled into the area, how there wasn't a body on every roof within the sight line. It just doesn't seem like that would have taken that much man-power.

Having been through a scenario like this some years back, that's a big push/pull. Local authorities often haaaaaaaaate being dragged into this kind of stuff & are frequently extremely resentful of it, to the point of being "cooperative" with all the enthusiasm of me being paid to say something nice about {insert apt topic here}.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

The real story in all of this should be how the shooter was able to get into that position in the first place.

Which means it's the thing least likely to be resolved

It's worse after I saw an aerial shot. If this was a major city where you had to cover dozens of building, it's one thing. But from this photo, I don't see a whole lot of places that would even be places you could pull this off from. How do you not have someone stationed on the roof? Or at the very least a drone or two in the air spotting weird movements by any tall buildings?

This is either incredibly poor work and laziness, or something more sinister.




[Ksyrup]

When in doubt and without pretty good evidence, I fall on the side of incompetence. Whether it's this or bad food service. Incompetence is pretty common everywhere.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Having been through a scenario like this some years back, that's a big push/pull. Local authorities often haaaaaaaaate being dragged into this kind of stuff & are frequently extremely resentful of it, to the point of being "cooperative" with all the enthusiasm of me being paid to say something nice about {insert apt topic here}.

oh come on....these are republicans we're talking about. They don't plan...and they aren't smart. They scoff at everything involved with thinking. I mean Guliani went to a parking Lot for a press conference and no one thought that was wrong.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

When in doubt and without pretty good evidence, I fall on the side of incompetence. Whether it's this or bad food service. Incompetence is pretty common everywhere.

Yeah, they've had their fair share of blunders over the years so I'm going with incompetence. But I think questions need to be asked and there needs to be an investigation into it. A 20 year old loser should not be able to pull that off in such a remote location.

[Danny]

Id have to think if there was a conspiracy theyd get someone as the shooter who wouldnt miss.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Danny

Id have to think if there was a conspiracy theyd get someone as the shooter who wouldnt miss.

Patsies are a human factor that can never be 100% accounted for. Murphy's Law and all that.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Patsies are a human factor that can never be 100% accounted for. Murphy's Law and all that.

I am not a big conspiracy guy at all, but this whole thing is very Kennedy like. Dude was a registered republican, roof he shot from had perfect line of site from the snipers position and was the closest elevated structure to where they were, yet he still managed to get off multiple shots before they fired back.

[GrantDawg]

There are several large SUV's now parked outside J.D. Vances' house. Looks like the VP pick has been made.

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