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Old 11-28-2005, 04:38 PM   #1401
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My recent play? I have no recent play to speak of. You even said I had given up.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:16 PM   #1402
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What I fail to understand is why kingfc22 hasn't responded to me at all. Obviously he feels confident enough in his current position to "not even bother".
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:16 PM   #1403
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Dola, and he's reading the thread right now.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:21 PM   #1404
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What do you want me to say. I know I am a villager and at this point in the game the only person I trust is Dubb.

The only way I can possibly see you as a villager and Dubb as a wolf is if Dubb and Barkeep decided not to kill on night 5 and then "attack" each other hoping that one would gain trust as a villager. I put that scenario at about 1%.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:24 PM   #1405
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It makes the most sense.

Assuming RA is a wolf then the other wolf has a choice between 2 guys that are suspects or a known villager. Which would you kill?

I would agree with dubb 100% on this point. It follows the same logic that I was using earlier when I thought dubb was a wolf. I told him he wouldn't kill me since he (if he was a wolf) would want me alive to be lynched.

The only play the last wolf has is to kill dubb and hope for the best.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:24 PM   #1406
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What do you want me to say. I know I am a villager and at this point in the game the only person I trust is Dubb.

The only way I can possibly see you as a villager and Dubb as a wolf is if Dubb and Barkeep decided not to kill on night 5 and then "attack" each other hoping that one would gain trust as a villager. I put that scenario at about 1%.
I want you to tell me the scenario where I vote for Barkeep or I vote for dubb and I "prove" myself a villager. Otherwise you're full of shit.

I don't see how you used my words to defend yourself. What do you want me to say???
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:25 PM   #1407
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I already painted a no-win scenario for me on that vote, so please tell me how you didn't frame me. In any case, I lose.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:28 PM   #1408
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Since my neck is on the line, I don't expect a response from you kingfc22. Oh well, the villagers' loss.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:31 PM   #1409
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Since my neck is on the line, I don't expect a response from you kingfc22. Oh well, the villagers' loss.

We are not going to lose because we have dubb and myself left. Then we have penny or saldana as well.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:33 PM   #1410
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I told you what I want you to explain. Why are you dodging it?
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:38 PM   #1411
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I told you what I want you to explain. Why are you dodging it?

Why have dubb and I voted for a wolf 3 times and you only once?
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:38 PM   #1412
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Sorry, dubb has 4 votes that went towards a wolf.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:40 PM   #1413
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Why have dubb and I voted for a wolf 3 times and you only once?
Nice. Answer a question with a question. Explain how you didn't "trap" me with the dubb vs. Barkeep vote that I quoted.

I will answer your question. Maybe because I don't know who the wolves are? Maybe because I'm unlucky? Maybe because I actually thought a wolf voted for Pass on day 1???
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:41 PM   #1414
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I can't believe I'm the only one seeing you dodge my question.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:45 PM   #1415
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You are not helping your "end game" here by trying to out me as a wolf. Once you are lynched and turn up as a wolf, it will be clear that I am a villager. Leaving your last hope (penny or saldana) to convince me or dubb who to lynch for the win tomorrow.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:47 PM   #1416
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You are not helping your "end game" here by trying to out me as a wolf. Once you are lynched and turn up as a wolf, it will be clear that I am a villager. Leaving your last hope (penny or saldana) to convince me or dubb who to lynch for the win tomorrow.
Whatever wolf. Once I'm lynched and turn up as a villager, it will be the last thing the villagers do.
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:49 PM   #1417
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You are not helping your "end game" here by trying to out me as a wolf. Once you are lynched and turn up as a wolf, it will be clear that I am a villager. Leaving your last hope (penny or saldana) to convince me or dubb who to lynch for the win tomorrow.
And I think I'm helping my survival by getting you to answer a simple question. Do I have to post it again?
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:52 PM   #1418
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Since you obviously missed it:

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Post 1279:
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Yea, but I don't like betting in WW games because it is stupid. But I know I'm a villager and will not log on for 3 months.

St. Cronin - Keep your vote on penny for now. Let's force RA to make a move.

Right now it is Barkeep (2), Dubb (2), Penny (1).

And that's where the frame begins. I have no way of voting "correctly." If I vote for Barkeep, I'm just aligning with the vote. If I vote for Dubb, I'm saving my "buddy". Obviously this was a trap.

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I think it is clear now that Barkeep and RA are the remaining wolves.
kingfc22 just wants to drive it home at this point because he knows that Barkeep is a lost cause and he may be able to save his own skin by offering me up as the next "wolf".

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Guys I am a villager. It is obvious to me that RA is the lone wolf. He also happens to be the last one remaining that voted for Pass on day 1.

And this was my mistake I guess. I also find it really strange that all of us who voted for Pass on day 1 was a villager. I didn't think that it was possible, but it is. That's why I pushed hard for McSweeny. Why else would I push for someone when I supposedly know he's a villager and that would make me the prime target?

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You had your chance yesterday RA. When it was clear that Dubb or Barkeep was lying you decided to vote for a third candidate. You didn't want to vote for Dubb to align with Barkeep and you didn't want to vote for Barkeep because you were hoping to see if someone would sway and save your buddy.
My response is stated above.

All I can say is that I'm a villager and I've been framed. That's why the wolves left me alone the other night; I'm an easy target for the lynch today.

How was I supposed to vote for Barkeep or dubb and not be a wolf, according to you?
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Old 11-28-2005, 05:59 PM   #1419
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You've been looking at the thread for the past 5 minutes kingfc. I didn't think it was a hard question. I'm gone for a while to get my kids ready for bed. I'll be back later.
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:02 PM   #1420
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That day dubb and I went back and forth. I'm sure if we ask dubb, he would probably say he thought I was a wolf especially after I voted with Barkeep. You had two plays as a wolf.

1) Hope I was truly a misguided villager and vote dubb to hope for a 3-3 tie with st. cronin voting for penny.

2) Vote for penny and hope to save face and maybe get lucky that someone would move to dubb or penny to save Barkeep.


Now if you had voted for Barkeep I would be a whole lot less certain that you were a wolf.
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:04 PM   #1421
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See the problem with you arguing with me is I know I am a villager. If you want to save yourself, convince me why I should change my vote to penny or saldana.
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:18 PM   #1422
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ill give you one reason not to change your vote to saldana....i am a villager.
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:33 PM   #1423
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See the problem with you arguing with me is I know I am a villager. If you want to save yourself, convince me why I should change my vote to penny or saldana.
The problem with you arguing with me is I know I am a villager. The fact that you want to kill me is not enough to change my vote to penny or saldana.

That's the problem with your arguments. You think that just stating you're a villager is enough. I have also stated this. I'm done with it and congratulations on your win.
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:40 PM   #1424
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Less than 20 minutes left till deadline. Better make up your minds, people, this is going to be... interesting. DUN DUN DUN!
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:45 PM   #1425
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That's the problem with your arguments. You think that just stating you're a villager is enough. I have also stated this. I'm done with it and congratulations on your win.

The only way the game ends on this lynch is if you are the duke and you decide to kill me. That would leave you and dubb as dinner and penny and saldana as the winning wolves.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:04 PM   #1426
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Raiders Army - kingfc22, pennywisesb, dubb93, saldana
kingfc22 - Raiders Army

The three of you gather around Raiders Army, bind his arms and legs, despite his protests and whatnot. He starts thrashing about, saying that he's no wolf. You tie a noose around his neck and pull, hard. As his body spasms in the air, he starts turning... into a werewolf. Alas, even in his wolf form, he could not break his bonds. He twitches some more and then dies.

Raiders Army has been killed! Raiders Army was a werewolf! Kindly send in your night actions ASAP, I will post night results at about 11 PM or 12 MN.

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Raiders Army - Werewolf, lynched Day 7
Passacaglia - Herbalist, lynched Day 1

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RPI-Fan - Villager, lynched Day 3
ardent enthusiast - Seer, died Night 4
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SnDvls - Werewolf, lynched Day 2
McSweeny - Villager, lynched Day 4
Mr. Wednesday - Villager, killed Night 4
SirFozzie - Villager, killed Night 2
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:04 PM   #1427
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:09 PM   #1428
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Who does the wolf decide to kill tonight....hmmm
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:09 PM   #1429
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This game is over:

Wolves kill dubb/king tonight:
- penny and saldana vote for each other
- dubb/king vote for one who is either wolf/duke. If we vote wolf we win. If we vote duke he votes for the other and we win

Wolves kill penny/saldana tonight:
- dubb and I vote for whoever is left. Villagers win.


Anyone see any other scenario.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:11 PM   #1430
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As a commentator you still could be wolf, but im not saying you are
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:12 PM   #1431
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ok, this leave me with 2 options

1. king is a wolf, and the whole RA voting for king bit was an attempt to draw attention away from the last wolf, since it was obvious RA was dead meat.

2. Penny is a wolf and was trying to hide amongst the villagers by joining us in killling RA
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:29 PM   #1432
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Woot!!!
Nicely played. I think I was a goner no matter what.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:31 PM   #1433
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Well, we got a wolf. Thats a start. Lets see who dies here.
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:06 PM   #1434
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As a commentator you still could be wolf, but im not saying you are
Shh. None of your wolf sympathizing around here!

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Old 11-28-2005, 10:20 PM   #1435
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:02 PM   #1436
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Nice, I knew once McSweeny went down as a villager that RA was most likely a wolf. Good job guys.
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:03 PM   #1437
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Nice, I knew once McSweeny went down as a villager that RA was most likely a wolf. Good job guys.
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:07 PM   #1438
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Before I possibly go down tonight I want to throw this out there. If I was a wolf I would have went after Pennywise during the last night phase and hoped for the curse. The reason being he had me COMPLETELY convinced he was a villager during that day.

Conversely I would have stayed away from King at all costs, as he was still a little fishy in my book. Oh course the wolfs haven't played this end game the way I would have so I have no clue what actually happened. That is just the what I would have done.
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Old 11-29-2005, 01:19 AM   #1439
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You wake up... you heard a vicious scream last night... hoping that it was only a dream. As you walk out, you notice that someone is missing.

You find kingfc22's body, mangled and half-eaten in front of his house. You search his belongings... nothing...

Kingfc22 has been killed! Kingfc22 was a Villager!

You eye each other carefully... one last vote... one final day... will the Return of the Wolves come true?

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kingfc22 - Villager, killed Day 7
Raiders Army - Werewolf, lynched Day 7
Passacaglia - Herbalist, lynched Day 1

hoopsguy - Villager, lynched Day 5
RPI-Fan - Villager, lynched Day 3
ardent enthusiast - Seer, died Night 4
SnDvls - Werewolf, lynched Day 2
McSweeny - Villager, lynched Day 4
Mr. Wednesday - Villager, killed Night 4
SirFozzie - Villager, killed Night 2
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Old 11-29-2005, 01:22 AM   #1440
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sorry for the lateness. I was in a meeting.

DEADLINE IS AT 8PM EST! WOOHOO!
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DEADLINE IS AT 9PM EST! WOOHOO!
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Old 11-29-2005, 01:24 AM   #1442
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OH SHIT, someone is trying to dare me to make a choice.
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Old 11-29-2005, 01:39 AM   #1443
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I suppose I should have added that even though Pennywise was the logical choice my gut over the last few days was telling me it was Saldana that was converted....

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Old 11-29-2005, 01:49 AM   #1444
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:27 AM   #1445
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Oh damn, I thought for sure Dubb was going down...
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:44 AM   #1446
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Dola. I don't think its any surprise, but I'm going to

VOTE SALDANA

I've been suspicious of him for awhile now....
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:20 AM   #1447
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i guess i will start with

VOTE PENNYWISE

and it all comes down to what you believe Dubb. i am not going to rant and rave, because all that will do is make penny turn around and say i am working too hard to convince you (and i am sure he is going to say by not ranting that i am giving up just like raiders army did) however, you of all people should know that i can rant and rave with the best of them when i am on the block.

all i am going to do at this point is make a few points, and if that isnt enough to convince you to switch off to penny and complete this win, i dont have anything else.

i said i was a villager as soon as i joined the game.

my votes have been with the villagers the entire way, except for making a mistake with Ardent (which penny did as well)

i was right alongside you against barkeep from the very beginning, and i worked on St cronin to make his vote worth somthing by keeping it with the rest of the villagers

penny has been slinging at me since we went to the thanksgiving break. why? because i have been trying to convince you that i am on your side. my question to both of you is, if i am what i say i am, a villager and nothing more, why WOULDN'T i bust my ass to make sure the 1 known quantity in the game doesnt have me at the top of his list. Of course i want to align myself with you, because i want to WIN! as far as how hard i was working on it, I'll repeat myself a little bit here but, i figure with you in particular, i have to work a little harder than with other people, so that is exactly what i did. if that in your opinion makes me a wolf, then the wolves win, because penny is the wolf, not me.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:21 AM   #1448
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:23 AM   #1449
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Old 11-29-2005, 02:19 PM   #1450
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I just kinda want to see which way Dubb is leaning and to see what King has to say.

Also, he made it a point to ask me and King why we both thought I was going to be the one to die last night....sounds like a subtle way to gather information. Prehaps I was wrong when I jumped the gun last night....

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