WW 100: Game over!

[hoopsguy]

I honestly have no idea how to play Day 1 in this game compared to any other game. There pretty much has to be some optimal play, given the diversity of roles here but I don't think I'm going to have enough FOFC time today to really work on this.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I honestly have no idea how to play Day 1 in this game compared to any other game. There pretty much has to be some optimal play, given the diversity of roles here but I don't think I'm going to have enough FOFC time today to really work on this.

I hadn't really followed the custom roles much until just this morning. Two things jump out:

1) There are a lot of ways for us not to know exactly who is going to be lynched by votes alone (love/hate guy for example). That's gonna play hell with vote analysis.

2) There don't appear to be a lot of roles that can bring folks back. I see one or two but they look pretty conditional.

My hope was that we could have a sacrifical lamb for day one that someone could bring back if they turned out good. Other than the Whiny Bitch (great role, btw) I don't see any.

[hoopsguy]

Even with the Whiny Bitch, there is no guarantee that we are bringing back a villager. It is listed under "Good/Bad/Neutral" and I don't see anything in the description that suggests it must be good.

Only value-add in doing this is in avoiding a Day 1 lynch to try and get other people through Day 1 to use their powers.

[path12]

Are allegiances revealed on lynch? If so, we'd know exactly what we were bringing back, wouldn't we?

Course, I might just be rusty and missing something obvious.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by saldana

i was thinking the same thing...i had actually typed out a post earlier in the morning suggesting the Crazy Granny reveal and let us all vote for her and have the Govenor reveal and pardon her, thus giving us 2 cleared villagers immediately, one of whom cant be killed at night, but I have to reread all the roles to see if there are other ways to kill the granny before i can be sure that is a good idea.

I don't care for this strategy (at least not this early). 2 cleared villagers doesn't help us too much yet, since the day one vote would still be a pretty big shot in the dark anyway. And the big benefit of the Crazy Granny is that she can kill us a wolf if she's targeted for a night kill (something that obviously won't happen if she's revealed).

Now, obviously, if the CG is getting close to being lynched by us, she should reveal herself, but I don't want her to be out in the open so soon.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by path12

Are allegiances revealed on lynch?

Boy, I hope so. Otherwise this is gonna be hella hard.

[CrimsonFox]

checking in. Yeah this is crazy. (but not as crazy as granny)

[Poli]

Rats, I missed the cutoff date.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Poli

Rats, I missed the cutoff date.

Poli!

[Abe Sargent]

I think we are all kinda of waiting to see how today goes and no one wants to cast the first stone.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by path12

Are allegiances revealed on lynch? If so, we'd know exactly what we were bringing back, wouldn't we?

Course, I might just be rusty and missing something obvious.

In the case of "Whiny Bitch" we aren't bringing them back - they are spared.

if you are the target of the night kill on the first night, or the winner of the lynch vote on the first day, you will be

spared, just so no one has to listen to you cry like a little girl for the next 8 or 10 days while the game continues to be played.

My assumption on reading this was "no kill", so I would not have expected to learn faction. If the moderator wants to jump in and clarify on this point, that would be great.

[Autumn]

I keep forgetting werewolf is back in action! If nobody has a good tactic for first day vote soon I'll just pick someone I guess. We need to start voting at some point!

[Lathum]

Vote Autumn

[ntndeacon]

I might vote for the Whiny Bitch just to see the siggy. lol

[saldana]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I don't care for this strategy (at least not this early). 2 cleared villagers doesn't help us too much yet, since the day one vote would still be a pretty big shot in the dark anyway. And the big benefit of the Crazy Granny is that she can kill us a wolf if she's targeted for a night kill (something that obviously won't happen if she's revealed).

Now, obviously, if the CG is getting close to being lynched by us, she should reveal herself, but I don't want her to be out in the open so soon.

i dont care for it either, which is why i didnt post it the first time i thought of it.

i think one that is going to keep today going extremely slow is the fear of the "vengeful god" role...two votes for the same person could be your own butt in the sling, so i know i am being extra cautious.

[Autumn]

I don't think it would be a bad idea for the Granny to reveal since she can't be nightkilled. I could see the allure of trying to catch a wolf with it though. And with all the odd roles I suppose there's the chance the wolves have something they can use to get the Granny killed anyway.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't think it would be a bad idea for the Granny to reveal since she can't be nightkilled. I could see the allure of trying to catch a wolf with it though. And with all the odd roles I suppose there's the chance the wolves have something they can use to get the Granny killed anyway.

No way. Not unless she's about to be lynched. Too valuable otherwise in my opinion.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't think it would be a bad idea for the Granny to reveal since she can't be nightkilled. I could see the allure of trying to catch a wolf with it though. And with all the odd roles I suppose there's the chance the wolves have something they can use to get the Granny killed anyway.

Originally Posted by path12

No way. Not unless she's about to be lynched. Too valuable otherwise in my opinion.

It would be great for the wolves if Granny revealed now.

Hmmm.......

[DaddyTorgo]

long as the seer doesn't land on her

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I don't think it would be a bad idea for the Granny to reveal since she can't be nightkilled. I could see the allure of trying to catch a wolf with it though. And with all the odd roles I suppose there's the chance the wolves have something they can use to get the Granny killed anyway.

I wouldn't reveal yet though. It would be better for the granny to wait before saying who she is.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

long as the seer doesn't land on her

I am not reading from the rules that a seer-scan would trigger the Granny's power. I take "target" to mean kill.

Crazy Granny: Whenever Crazy Granny is targeted at night, by anyone, she pulls out her shotgun and shoots that person dead.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I am not reading from the rules that a seer-scan would trigger the Granny's power. I take "target" to mean kill.

I assume "by anyone" means not just the wolves.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah...i think a seer scan = a target.

mayhaps we can get a reading on that rule...i'll email the GM

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I assume "by anyone" means not just the wolves.

Yes, I agree. But I wasn't considering a seer scan as a targeting of the player. I was assuming that "target" referred to a malicious action - like from the vampire, mobster, something like that.

I mean, if the Granny auto-kills the seer or bodyguard just because they chose her to scan or guard, that is a wacky role and one that we would need to deal with immediately.

So yeah, we need a clarification from the GM, IMO.

[DaddyTorgo]

I sent an email - will post the reply that I get. Kind of an important distinction for strategical purposes

[path12]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yes, I agree. But I wasn't considering a seer scan as a targeting of the player. I was assuming that "target" referred to a malicious action - like from the vampire, mobster, something like that.

I mean, if the Granny auto-kills the seer or bodyguard just because they chose her to scan or guard, that is a wacky role and one that we would need to deal with immediately.

So yeah, we need a clarification from the GM, IMO.

She's listed under "good" for a role. There's no way a good role should be able to wipe out the seer/bodyguard. I'm going under the assumption that target=actioned on by wolves until otherwise informed.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by path12

She's listed under "good" for a role. There's no way a good role should be able to wipe out the seer/bodyguard. I'm going under the assumption that target=actioned on by wolves until otherwise informed.

I think she's crazy for a reason, but we can wait and see.

[path12]

In the meantime, I'll go with my usual day 1 inclination of voting for someone who hasn't checked in yet.

VOTE DARTH VILIUS

Good to meet'cha.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by path12

She's listed under "good" for a role. There's no way a good role should be able to wipe out the seer/bodyguard. I'm going under the assumption that target=actioned on by wolves until otherwise informed.

Oh, I agree. I think it's a wacky assumption that she'd kill the seer. Which is why I was assuming that the only people she'd benefit by revealing this early is the wolves. And I still think that. But we need to be sure.

[DaddyTorgo]

"crazy" makes me think she could quite easily kill the seer

[Schmidty]

Checking in. I'm about to go get lunch, and then pick up the kid, but I'll be around later.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by path12

In the meantime, I'll go with my usual day 1 inclination of voting for someone who hasn't checked in yet.

VOTE DARTH VILIUS

Good to meet'cha.

I'll go along with that. UNvillagers don't help.

VOTE DARTH VILIUS

[hoopsguy]

I'm a little leery of the "vote for the guy that is not here" logic. I completely understand the attractiveness of doing so (they aren't here so won't be offended by vote, they aren't contributing so they are better to cull early) but it also seems like an easy way to create a run.

Every once in awhile I'll stake out a position like this when I feel like a previously logical argument is being exploited. This kind of feels that way to me right now.

VOTE PATH12

[Darth Vilus]

alright already, im checkin in. I forgot it was the 11th already. Feels like december just ended. so the roles look pretty fun in general, it will be interesting to see how this game goes

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yes, I agree. But I wasn't considering a seer scan as a targeting of the player. I was assuming that "target" referred to a malicious action - like from the vampire, mobster, something like that.

I mean, if the Granny auto-kills the seer or bodyguard just because they chose her to scan or guard, that is a wacky role and one that we would need to deal with immediately.

So yeah, we need a clarification from the GM, IMO.

When I submitted, the role, it was with the intent that any character that guards, kills, sluts, seers, etc her at night gets offed. We'll see if Danny interprets it that way, but that was my intent.

[Abe Sargent]

I mean, after all, that's the balance. She can;t be night killed, and she will even kill a wolf that comes after her, but, you could wind up with a seer or guard dead tomorrow. She's crazy! She shoots anyone who comes near her!

[DaddyTorgo]

right - otherwise she's overpowered for good.

[Darth Vilus]

honestly, who would give a paranoid old lady a shotgun? I have no clue

[KWhit]

I get what you're saying. If that's the interpretation that Danny puts on the role, I think she should reveal immediately.

If not - if "target" means a malicious type action against her - then she should stay quiet.

[Darth Vilus]

I'm heading out to work in a few so i'm gonn a go ahead and throw in my vote now

VOTE CRIMSONFOX

him and path better watch out. No one who invokes the wrath of the dark lord and lives for long.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm a little leery of the "vote for the guy that is not here" logic. I completely understand the attractiveness of doing so (they aren't here so won't be offended by vote, they aren't contributing so they are better to cull early) but it also seems like an easy way to create a run.

Every once in awhile I'll stake out a position like this when I feel like a previously logical argument is being exploited. This kind of feels that way to me right now.

VOTE PATH12

I see that logic for a second vote, but the first one? I'm not telling anyone who to vote for, rather just sticking with a general philosophy since there is nothing else to go on day 1.

That's a weird post, hoops.

[path12]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I'll go along with that. UNvillagers don't help.

VOTE DARTH VILIUS

I guess we know he's not the vengeful god now.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

him and path better watch out. No one who invokes the wrath of the dark lord and lives for long.

Eh. Never was a Star Wars fan. I'll risk it.

Actually, I'll probably change my vote again later if there is still anyone who hasn't checked in.

[hoopsguy]

Path, it is the "general philosophy" that I think is being used as a way to obscure votes.

If you are a villager, then you must believe what you are saying.
If you are a wolf, then it is a convenient way to hide an early vote.

My vibe on this - one that I'm interested to hear if others share or not, although that would probably be a more honest discussion post-game - is that wolves are casting votes like this earlier in the day all the time rather than getting caught having to "save" candidates late in the day.

I've got no idea if I'm making a good vote here or not based on that one post. But as far as day one votes go, I'm willing to play gut a little bit more than on later days.

[hoopsguy]

The part that I think is weird, however, is that DV did not follow me voting on Path. I know a 2-1 vs 2-2 margin is not that big a deal in the overall scheme of things, but most of the time players move into self-preservation mode with their votes well before they actually need to do so.

That, more than path's response, has me a little weirded out right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting hoopycakes

[Abe Sargent]

Vote hoopsguy


I don't get voting for a guy in what he claimed might be his last WW game ever on Day One.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, it is the "general philosophy" that I think is being used as a way to obscure votes.

If you are a villager, then you must believe what you are saying.
If you are a wolf, then it is a convenient way to hide an early vote.

My vibe on this - one that I'm interested to hear if others share or not, although that would probably be a more honest discussion post-game - is that wolves are casting votes like this earlier in the day all the time rather than getting caught having to "save" candidates late in the day.

I've got no idea if I'm making a good vote here or not based on that one post. But as far as day one votes go, I'm willing to play gut a little bit more than on later days.

Now, it's been awhile since I played, and maybe this has become a WW truism that a day 1 vote for someone who hasn't checked in is a wolf maneuver, but for me it's a stance that I've adopted throughout my playing time. I did put it out there earlier than I normally would but there were hardly any votes on the table so figured why not?

I'm not bothered by getting a vote, so don't get me wrong on that. But calling that particular vote out because of a "general philosophy" is what I don't get. Is there some sort of other information I should have day 1 besides a general philosophy?

[The Jackal]

hey guys my computer broke a couple days ago, getting a new one in 1-3 days and just got setup on a piece of crap old one, so that's why i haven't been around today. about to go out to a dinner party, i'll be on most if not all of the day tomorrow, so let me throw out a vote here, very much random and not at all based on the penguins sucking.

VOTE PB

[RealDeal]

vote hoopsguy

Instead of pretending I have a reason, I fully admit that I am voting for him for no other reason whatsoever.

Highly subject to change.