Werewolf Small Game XI -- Divination Nation! (GAME OVER WOLVES WIN!! )

[Lathum]

dola- I would look at hoops also, it's possible he made a similar move

[Lathum]

dola- My other idea was a tie, let a coinflip decide then we move forward tomorrow.

with that I'm out of here

[Lathum]

I think if ITC agrees to that we should do it. Unless ITC has some reason to hide.

[ImTheCrew]

i dont have any reason to hide but im not going to put my villiger life on the line for a very strong possible wolf

id also like to be scanned to confirm me being a villiger

[DaddyTorgo]

chasing your own wolf tail much lathum?

i already stated that i missed the quick turnaround and path assigned me a random scan. looks like it was lucky for the village that it was of you.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, do you want to begin our planning for night scans already or wait until we have the results at the end of this Day period? My thought was to wait until we have those results and then fairly quickly move to some kind of a "scan priority" and a buddy system for two people to target the people we agree need to be validated ASAP.

[DaddyTorgo]

i think we BADLY need to coordinate scans...draw up a list of "who should scan who" that cross-references and all, so that we have the ability to tie people down not only by their voting record but also by the scanning. since we're all seers, we should put it all out in the open i think. more information=a win for us students.

i leave it to someone else with more brainpower/planning power to draw up a list to ensure that everyone gets scanned in an orderly fashion, but i really think someone needs to do that tonight so we have it ready to go tomorrow.

does that make sense? everyone with assigned scans+multiple people scanning everyone every night until we get a cleared list we feel fairly good about. so people can cross-vouch.

[DaddyTorgo]

dammit you guys. typing all that up while i worked.

am i going to get accused of bandwagoning again like i was in rome and offed again by my own people?

[hoopsguy]

I laid out the framework for what I think the plan should be - determine four people to scan tonight, with two people scanning each of them, releasing results in a pre-set order (if possible). The pairs should ideally be people with no linkage between them so far (no Cronin/Torgo, no Hoops/Alan) but if possible people who log in around same time in morning/afternoon so we aren't stuck waiting too long for scan results.

I'll be willing to put something like that together, but I would certainly be willing to follow someone else who wants to take time to do this as well.

[path12]

Current vote total:

Lathum (5): InTheCrew (44), DaddyTorgo (58), hoopsguy (63), Chief Rum (71), Alan T (81)

InTheCrew (2): Lathum (41), st.cronin (43)

Not voted: RendeR, ntndeacon

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, do you want to begin our planning for night scans already or wait until we have the results at the end of this Day period? My thought was to wait until we have those results and then fairly quickly move to some kind of a "scan priority" and a buddy system for two people to target the people we agree need to be validated ASAP.

I think we need to begin planning now. We can even make 2 plans, just for giggles: One if Lathum is good, one if Lathum is bad.

I've got ntndeacon.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I laid out the framework for what I think the plan should be - determine four people to scan tonight, with two people scanning each of them, releasing results in a pre-set order (if possible). The pairs should ideally be people with no linkage between them so far (no Cronin/Torgo, no Hoops/Alan) but if possible people who log in around same time in morning/afternoon so we aren't stuck waiting too long for scan results.

I'll be willing to put something like that together, but I would certainly be willing to follow someone else who wants to take time to do this as well.

I think its very important to get scans on the people who we don't have scans for so far.

We know very little about Chief, Ntndeacon, St.cronin (and ITC if Lathum ends up bad) for instance.

I also think it probably would make me feel better getting a second scan on people we have 1 for so far. I doubt people with 2 scans need a 3rd (at least just yet), so I wouldnt think it wise for Hoops to be scanned a third time yet.

We also have no record of who Render or Ntndeacon scanned last night.

[Alan T]

Lathum says ImTheCrew is a wolf
Hoopsguy says Lathum is a wolf
Daddytorgo says Lathum is a wolf.

Cronin says DaddyTorgo is a student
Alan T says Hoopsguy is a student.
Chief Rum says Alan T is a student.
Imthecrew says Render is a student.

Results unknown:

ntndeacon
RendeR

[Alan T]

So in a point system, I'll discard anything Lathum said about ITC for now (pending the result of today's lynch).

From most important to be scanned to least important:

Ntndeacon
Imthecrew
St.Cronin
Chief Rum

Render
Alan T
Hoopsguy
DaddyTorgo



(Sorry I added Hoopsguy back to the list as I thought 2 people had scanned him good, but only one has, so its important that he still gets scanned too).

[DaddyTorgo]

i will scan whoever. I really think someone should take charge of it though and dictate. In order to limit the ability for their to be any monkey-business.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i will scan whoever. I really think someone should take charge of it though and dictate. In order to limit the ability for their to be any monkey-business.

How about:

1. st.cronin - ntndeacon
2. Alan T - ntndeacon
3. Chief Rum ImTheCrew
4. ImTheCrew st.cronin
5. ntndeacon ImTheCrew
6. RendeR - hoopsguy
7. DaddyTorgo - hoopsguy
8. Lathum (presumed lynched)
9. hoopsguy - st.cronin

[DaddyTorgo]

shouldn't render and i scan rum instead of hoops though? hoops already has one scan in on him

course this is awaing the results of render+ntn's scans that were already done

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, it looks like your list lines up with Alan's priorities, with the exception of me instead of Chief Rum. I'm fine with that, although it means that Rum will not be scanned on either of the first two nights.

I would recommend if Lathum does end up showing as a villager that we collapse our scan lists down to three targets instead of four. We would be in a position where the wolves would have almost equal number, so we would have to be very unlucky in that case to scan three people who end up being seers instead of wolves. And I would like the extra information from 3 people scanning in that case to provide tighter controls on scans; in this scenario I'm worried about them hijacking our process more than finding a wolf because I think we'll be tripping over wolves.

If Lathum is revealed as a wolf, then I'm fine with the above plan. We'll have established a numbers edge on the wolves; I'll be more worried about finding wolves than them giving us bad information at that stage.

[DaddyTorgo]

RendeR...who did you scan and what were the results?

[DaddyTorgo]

gonna go eat. I'll be back. And i hope to see the results of render's last scan.

and hoops i think you're right....render and i should scan CR instead, since we already have one scan in on you. So i think the list should be edited to

1. st.cronin - ntndeacon
2. Alan T - ntndeacon
3. Chief Rum ImTheCrew
4. ImTheCrew st.cronin
5. ntndeacon ImTheCrew
6. RendeR - ChiefRum
7. DaddyTorgo - ChiefRum
8. Lathum (presumed lynched)
9. hoopsguy - st.cronin

[RendeR]

Very interseting. So as I see it, Lathum talks way too much and posted himself in the noose for tonight. That added with my scan of Cronin telling me that Cronin is a wolf, and the fact that both lathum (wolf) and cronin(wolf) are the only ones voting for ITC tells me ITC is safe and we know two wolves.


IF my scan was accurate.....


VERY interesting indeed.

VOTE LATHUM

[st.cronin]

Well, I'm not a wolf. Somebody will double check that scan.

[DaddyTorgo]

waiting on ntn's results, but if everyone could go with my revised scanning plan that'd be great, thanks. The only change from cronin's was substituting chief rum for hoopsguy as the target for render+me

[hoopsguy]

Interesting results, RendeR - we should have results on Cronin under the current scan plan to verify that this is a good path for tomorrow. As well as ITC. I'm comfortable with our marching orders, barring any new information coming from NTN's scan.

[Alan T]

Lathum says ImTheCrew is a wolf
Hoopsguy says Lathum is a wolf
Daddytorgo says Lathum is a wolf.
Render says St.Cronin is a wolf.

Cronin says DaddyTorgo is a student
Alan T says Hoopsguy is a student.
Chief Rum says Alan T is a student.
Imthecrew says Render is a student.

Results unknown:

ntndeacon


This means That we have some groupings of dependicies:
Render - Imthecrew - Lathum - Cronin form some tie together
Chief - Daddy - Hoops - Alan form some tie together.

Ntndeacon is really all out in the cold.

So we need the CHief - Daddy - Hoops - Alan group to do the following: 1 scan Cronin, 1 Scan Render, 1 scan ntndeacon , 1 scan Imthecrew

We need the Render - Imthecrew - Cronin group to do the following:

1 scan Ntndeacon, 1 scan Chief, 1 scan either Daddy, Hoops or Alan.

That would be 2 scans on ntn, a second scan on both render and Cronin and Imthecrew to help us with tommorrow's direction, and get us started on the last few who all seem to be ok so far.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Lathum says ImTheCrew is a wolf
Hoopsguy says Lathum is a wolf
Daddytorgo says Lathum is a wolf.
Render says St.Cronin is a wolf.

Cronin says DaddyTorgo is a student
Alan T says Hoopsguy is a student.
Chief Rum says Alan T is a student.
Imthecrew says Render is a student.

Results unknown:

ntndeacon


This means That we have some groupings of dependicies:
Render - Imthecrew - Lathum - Cronin form some tie together
Chief - Daddy - Hoops - Alan form some tie together.

Ntndeacon is really all out in the cold.

So we need the CHief - Daddy - Hoops - Alan group to do the following: 1 scan Cronin, 1 Scan Render, 1 scan ntndeacon , 1 scan Imthecrew

We need the Render - Imthecrew - Cronin group to do the following:

1 scan Ntndeacon, 1 scan Chief, 1 scan either Daddy, Hoops or Alan.

That would be 2 scans on ntn, a second scan on both render and Cronin and Imthecrew to help us with tommorrow's direction, and get us started on the last few who all seem to be ok so far.

how does that gel with the setup that cronin posted earlier alan? oh hell...i'll go and do the checking

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

how does that gel with the setup that cronin posted earlier alan? oh hell...i'll go and do the checking

Not sure, but since Cronin is one of the top suspects for tommorrow, I really dont want him setting the agenda.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

So we need the CHief - Daddy - Hoops - Alan group to do the following: 1 scan Cronin, 1 Scan Render, 1 scan ntndeacon , 1 scan Imthecrew

We need the Render - Imthecrew - Cronin group to do the following:

1 scan Ntndeacon, 1 scan Chief, 1 scan either Daddy, Hoops or Alan.

That would be 2 scans on ntn, a second scan on both render and Cronin and Imthecrew to help us with tommorrow's direction, and get us started on the last few who all seem to be ok so far.

versus cronin's suggested plan (with my edit) to see how the two mesh and what changes we need to make

1. st.cronin - ntndeacon
2. Alan T - ntndeacon
3. Chief Rum ImTheCrew
4. ImTheCrew st.cronin
5. ntndeacon ImTheCrew
6. RendeR - ChiefRum
7. DaddyTorgo - ChiefRum
8. Lathum (presumed lynched)
9. hoopsguy - st.cronin

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Not sure, but since Cronin is one of the top suspects for tommorrow, I really dont want him setting the agenda.

I put the agenda out there with the idea that it would be changed. My only thought is that its important we have a plan.

[Alan T]

Then I would suggest altering your choices on who Imthecrew scans, who you scan Daddy and Im not sure if we can count on ntndeacon, he hasnt joined in the conversation yet at all.

You also leave out anyone scanning me, or you or hoops, whom we should probably get someone on that group. You also have more people scanning Chief then I would right now and you dont need 2 people on cronin if he already had one scan on him today.

[DaddyTorgo]

the only differences between the two are me scanning render and ITC scanning either me, alan or hoops. Other than that the two lists are not mutually exclusive

[DaddyTorgo]

alan...we're on the same page. I'll scan render and then ITC can scan either me or you or hoops. And i guess we just have to count on ntn (he's usually good to be counted on, maybe just afk all day)

[DaddyTorgo]

1. st.cronin - ntndeacon
2. Alan T - ntndeacon
3. Chief Rum - ImTheCrew
4. ImTheCrew - AlanT, hoopsguy, DaddyTorgo (pick 1)
5. ntndeacon - ImTheCrew
6. RendeR - ChiefRum
7. DaddyTorgo - Render
8. Lathum - (presumed lynched)
9. hoopsguy - st.cronin

[Alan T]

Maybe this:

1. st.cronin - ntndeacon
2. Alan T - St.cronin
3. Chief Rum ImTheCrew
4. ImTheCrew Alan T
5. ntndeacon Hoopsguy
6. RendeR - ChiefRum
7. DaddyTorgo - ntndeacon
8. Lathum (presumed lynched)
9. hoopsguy - Render

That would leave out no one scanning DaddyTorgo for a second time. We'll catch up on him day 3

[DaddyTorgo]

that's the updated list with the changes suggested by alan and compiled by myself, but of course open to change

[DaddyTorgo]

*shrug* either way. Your way spreads it out more, the way i listed gets more in depth on people who havn't been scanned at least once.

Did the way you just posted gel with your little "4-somes" alan?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

*shrug* either way. Your way spreads it out more, the way i listed gets more in depth on people who havn't been scanned at least once.

Did the way you just posted gel with your little "4-somes" alan?

Yeah I tried to limit the dependancies on people so we didnt end up in any he's a wolf, NO he's a wolf arguements where we didnt know who to listen to.

[DaddyTorgo]

okay. Take a look at the two...i'm not really sure it matters all that much, as i know that i'm innocent, so if i'm the only difference it doesn't matter which plan we choose. We just all need to agree on a plan and be clear about which one

[DaddyTorgo]

oh wait. sorry...i misread. Scanning me for a second time? that's fine as i know i'm innocent

but i recuse myself from all deciding which of the scanning plans to go with, as that seems to be the major difference and i don't want to be seen as pushing to get myself not scanned again, nor do i feel that it's necessary though as i know i'm good.

So someone that isn't me will have to decide, although i'll be happy to take the decision and bold it and make sure it's in huge font+type so there's no mistakes

[hoopsguy]

I see Alan's plan accomplishes the double-down on scans, but there is an important difference. The person doing second scans here knows what the expected result is if they are a wolf. So I would prefer that we are focusing two "seers" on those who have not been scanned yet. I think this makes it a little more interesting for someone to fudge their results, as they don't have an "expected outcome" to fall back on along with their "25% wrong" excuse.

I think having double-scans on the people who have come up "wolf" already - Cronin and ITC (potentially dubious) makes sense, followed by the people who have been non-scanned.

And I'm OK with however many people want to scan me as well, just to make sure that there is not some impression from this post that I'm trying to avoid 2nd/3rd/whatever scans.

[DaddyTorgo]

hoops...the person doing the second scan "here" meaning what? the person doing the second scan in alan's plan, or in "my" plan?

[hoopsguy]

Second scan in Alan's, which assumes the first scan during Night 0 (released Day 1). I would prefer we are validating suspected wolves and people who have not been scanned up to this point.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Second scan in Alan's, which assumes the first scan during Night 0 (released Day 1). I would prefer we are validating suspected wolves and people who have not been scanned up to this point.

makes sense to me. Sounds good. Alan's plan it is then?

[hoopsguy]

Well, I'm actually asking for a modification on Alan's plan that is closer to Cronin's plan. I want to have two people each on the "fingered wolves" - Cronin and ITC, and two people on people who have not been scanned yet - Rum and NTN (am I missing anyone who hasn't been scanned once besides these two?).

If we don't have enough for multiple scans on all of these people, I would then suggest a single scan on the wolves and two on the unscanned.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Well, I'm actually asking for a modification on Alan's plan that is closer to Cronin's plan. I want to have two people each on the "fingered wolves" - Cronin and ITC, and two people on people who have not been scanned yet - Rum and NTN (am I missing anyone who hasn't been scanned once besides these two?).

If we don't have enough for multiple scans on all of these people, I would then suggest a single scan on the wolves and two on the unscanned.

aaaaah. Okay. Well 2 on each of the unscanned=4+2 each on the wolves=8. So that'd work, yeah

[DaddyTorgo]

scans are our night actions, right? they're not due in 45 minutes are they?

[hoopsguy]

I'll put out my thoughts on who should scan who, if we are going to adopt that strategy. But I wouldn't mind some back-and-forth between people between now and the deadline before moving forward with it. Also, we have to be willing to re-evaluate if Lathum shows up as a seer (duh).

[hoopsguy]

I'm working under the impression that this is a standard day/night cycle and PMs for night actions are not due until morning.

[Alan T]

I dont like the idea of ignoring people who already had 1 good scan (myself included) just in case they got lucky and really are bad.

Some of the people you suggest having a second and third scan on them which I think is overdoing scans in places and lessen our chance of coverage in others.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I dont like the idea of ignoring people who already had 1 good scan (myself included) just in case they got lucky and really are bad.

Some of the people you suggest having a second and third scan on them which I think is overdoing scans in places and lessen our chance of coverage in others.

well i think that's where we have to make the call...being "riskier" vs. "playing it safe." either way though, we will have time to get 2 scans of everyone by the time we're in danger of losing the game