LANNISTER (GoT) Thread

[Zinto]

Oh and it seems everyone hates us because we are of a higher breed then them. As lions we have struggled to gain support.

[Zinto]

Hey Chief can I give Jamie some of my soldiers so he can perform a raid for me?

[bhlloy]

Not sure if I can do that while I'm the lynch, or if it's even advisable given the state we are in.

Anybody have an alternate strategy, other than Joffrey pardons me and we weaken ourselves even more?

FWIW, I have no soldiers or ships although I have a decent amount of gold. As mentioned before, I'm more powerful than the other bannermen when it comes to war. Nothing else special about me as far as I can tell.

[Zinto]

Unfortunately it is just us in here. If I pardon you I only lose honor and we do not know the effect of that currently. I need to do so or I have little chance for the crown.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Hey Chief can I give Jamie some of my soldiers so he can perform a raid for me?

Yes, you can give him soldiers to do this.

The raid does happen after the Enemy of the realm vote, though.

[bhlloy]

Probably not a good idea then Zinto

[Zinto]

I am waiting on giving you soldiers. I have a need for you on my court, the honor thing does not scare me. Tomorrow I will donate money to the small folk so that I can regain some if not all of the honor hit.

[bhlloy]

How much cash do we currently have between us?

[Zinto]

I have a few times more gold then you have on hand right now. I will be more open with my cash on hand once you are securely back as a member of my bannerman.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

If Renly plans to do any of the following, I will use the exact phrase next to these in the main forum hidden within a seemingly regular post as a warning. I will also try to include the name of the place or person the attack is aimed at somewhere in the post.

An attack on our land: "Renly is an honest and just man and would make a fine king."

An attempt to spy on us: "I would not trust any man who plays the Game of Thrones."

An attempt to ally with another kingdom: "My sword thirsts for blood."

Any other action that may have a consequence negative to the Lannister banner: "I care not for politics."

Are there any other things you want me to have a phrase for? At 10:00 PM I plan to move the money and signal to them my interest in joining their cause. I will be sure and relay any information we have discussed to them truthfully and accurately. *wink*

Well done, Ser Gregor. It appears that Joffrey and Jamie were better aware of events of the day than I was while in Renly's camp.

[hoopsguy]

I've got some information on our friend Stannis. He has a pretty huge fleet, it was 57 at this time yesterday and grows by seven per day.

In terms of troops and wealth, I personally have more men than him (although he gains faster, via tithe) and I had more wealth yesterday but with the tithe he should have passed me, assuming no major expenses.

I had constructed a "blow up the game" scenario earlier this evening, in the event that I returned home to find that my liege was the only person remaining in our proud house. I'm glad we will not need to execute it just yet.

[hoopsguy]

So, here is what I was able to deduce from conversations with Renly.

He was open to alliance with us, but relied greatly on the council of his bannermen. It may have been a ruse, but I was able to observe from afar (last poster on their house thread) that he initiated many conversations immediately following my missives. I trust him more than the other two pretenders, although that is damning with very faint praise.

He did not share the Gregor scenario with me, but did indicate that he felt compelled to split their votes today as his Hand was aligning with Stark/Stannis (Courtney was at House stark, and cast the first vote against Jamie) and his bannermen were split. He fully understood that if we could not present a united front that Jamie was doomed. I indicated that we would still receive an emissary today, but the reception would almost certainly be cooler if we felt their actions contributed to a 2nd Lannister Enemy of the Realm.

Roose asked me to visit Robb Stark today. I told him I was unable to do so, since I was visiting Renly. I suggested that we could expedite the parlay process if they sent a man to visit Joffrey.

After votes began to accumulate against Jamie I received notice from Robb indicating that our house was doomed and that I should seek refuge elsewhere ... preferably with House Stark. I suggested that if Jamie were to be declared an Enemy of the State today I would hold him personally accountable and that it would effectively end any chances of me ever aligning with him. He proceeded to vote for me, others followed, and I began plotting the "blow up the game" options that involved creating the most possible pain for House Stark.

Varys also is curious why neither of us have contacted him yet. But he said nothing of substance in his letter and I was not moved to reply. (ooc)ran out of time, wasn't around until immediately after deadline(/ooc)

[hoopsguy]

I would like to offer JAG the opportunity to flee House Stark to come here. What inducements do you think we could put before him that would make it appealing?

Harrenhal, if he is as loyal to the literature as every seems to want to be when voting for the Lannisters ...

Looking to make these decisions fairly quickly, as the decision rests with the enemy of the state and I don't want Robb/Roose to quickly come to agreement without us having our offer out first.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I would like to offer JAG the opportunity to flee House Stark to come here. What inducements do you think we could put before him that would make it appealing?

Harrenhal, if he is as loyal to the literature as every seems to want to be when voting for the Lannisters ...

Looking to make these decisions fairly quickly, as the decision rests with the enemy of the state and I don't want Robb/Roose to quickly come to agreement without us having our offer out first.

I think an offer of Harrenhal, as well as being our third bannerman and Warden of the North a long with some sort of gold sum could persuade him to join our ranks.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

THE LANDS OF WESTEROS

HOUSE STARK

King Robb Stark (CW)-- Winterfell (family home), Riverrun, The Twins and Deepwood Motte.
Roose Bolton(JAG)-- The Dreadfort (family home)
Rickard Karstark (MrBug708)-- The Karhold (family home)


HOUSE LANNISTER

King Joffrey Baratheon (Zinto)-- King's Landing, Harrenhal, Crakehall and Fairhaven
Tywin Lannister (hoopsguy)-- Casterly Rock (family home)
Ser Gregor Clegane (Julio Riddols)-- Clegane's Keep (family home)


HOUSE BARATHEON OF DRAGONSTONE

King Stannis Baratheon (Autumn)-- Dragonstone (family home), Maidenpool and Duskendale
Ser Davos Seaworth (InBlue)-- Cape Wrath (family home)
Ser Axell Florent (claphamsa)-- Brightwater Keep (family home)


HOUSE BARATHEON OF STORM'S END

King Renly Baratheon (path12)-- Storm's End (family home), Summerhall, Blackhaven, The Arbor
Ser Loras Tyrell (murrayyyyy)-- Highgarden (family home)
Ser Cortnay Penrose (Darth Vilus)-- Parchments (family home)

Quoted for ease of reference.
Roose is active now, Robb does not appear to be so. I do not wish to seize authority that is not mine to offer, but I believe speed is of the essence. I plan to send this offer to Roose in the next twenty minutes unless someone arrives here to suggest an alternate approach.

[Zinto]

I need to talk to Varys it was my mistake today as I forgot I could contact him and I was gone for most of the day.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I think an offer of Harrenhal, as well as being our third bannerman and Warden of the North a long with some sort of gold sum could persuade him to join our ranks.

Perfect, your arrival is timely.

Warden of the North, of course, would be contingent upon us acquiring that title from Robb Stark.

Do you think 20,000 gold would be a sufficient inducement? If he joins, he would bring a keen mind and I expect would be a good bannerman. I also hope he would leap at the opportunity to pen his name in the history books. I'll put up 10K if you can match that amount? For what it is worth, I strongly believe our house has the greatest starting gold.

Seeing as how he had already contacted me would you be opposed to me using my raven for the day to deliver the offer?

[hoopsguy]

It is pretty clear to me that Brienne of Tarth is powerfully upset with Stannis. The remaining bannermen for Renly are not present to take part in their house discussions. And Brienne has more messages on this topic in the last hour than she accumulated in the two days prior.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Perfect, your arrival is timely.

Warden of the North, of course, would be contingent upon us acquiring that title from Robb Stark.

Do you think 20,000 gold would be a sufficient inducement? If he joins, he would bring a keen mind and I expect would be a good bannerman. I also hope he would leap at the opportunity to pen his name in the history books. I'll put up 10K if you can match that amount? For what it is worth, I strongly believe our house has the greatest starting gold.

Seeing as how he had already contacted me would you be opposed to me using my raven for the day to deliver the offer?

I can definitely post the other half of the 10k gold. I believe it would be best if we waited until he joined with us to give him the gold, so it i snot wasted in restoring his honor.

Of course tell him Warden of the North will be given to him once the false King Stark is dead and if he needs more he can gain practice by becoming Warden of the West until we obtain the Warden of the North title.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I can definitely post the other half of the 10k gold. I believe it would be best if we waited until he joined with us to give him the gold, so it i snot wasted in restoring his honor.

Of course tell him Warden of the North will be given to him once the false King Stark is dead and if he needs more he can gain practice by becoming Warden of the West until we obtain the Warden of the North title.

Agreed on all counts.
Would you prefer to contact him directly or shall I? Obviously one of us would no longer have the ability to initiate contact via raven for the next 23 hours.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

It is pretty clear to me that Brienne of Tarth is powerfully upset with Stannis. The remaining bannermen for Renly are not present to take part in their house discussions. And Brienne has more messages on this topic in the last hour than she accumulated in the two days prior.

Yes she was the first to speak out against Stannis. She is probably going to be a powerful ally against him going forward.

[hoopsguy]

Also, do we offer 10K gold to come, or 20K gold (10K apiece)?
We have one shot here - money doesn't move if he refuses. If he accepts, I expect he would work with us to put the money to best possible use.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Agreed on all counts.
Would you prefer to contact him directly or shall I? Obviously one of us would no longer have the ability to initiate contact via raven for the next 23 hours.

I believe that you have a much better way with words then I and are seen to be more trustworthy of most of the men in the kingdom, so thus I believe you should contact him.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, do we offer 10K gold to come, or 20K gold (10K apiece)?
We have one shot here - money doesn't move if he refuses. If he accepts, I expect he would work with us to put the money to best possible use.

The 20k gold should be the offer.

[Zinto]

We will also not send it to him until he arrives in our camp.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I believe that you have a much better way with words then I and are seen to be more trustworthy of most of the men in the kingdom, so thus I believe you should contact him.

Sending it now.
I would be excited if this came to pass.

[hoopsguy]

It is done.

[Zinto]

Well then hopefully it falls into place. Jamie will hopefully be left to my mercy and we can send him to retrieve Roose tomorrow, if all goes as plan.

[hoopsguy]

As an aside, I will be called upon to traverse the lands (run a 5K race) tomorrow evening. As a result, I will not be around for several hours leading up to the deadline. Would you prefer that I hold my vote so you can ensure it will have meaning later in the process?

[Zinto]

Yes please. I would hate for your vote to be wasted on someone who is not in the running down the line.

[Zinto]

Also, good luck and have fun in your 5k!

[hoopsguy]

If you wish to assure Jamie, you could make your decision first so he knows publicly that he'll be welcome here even as an enemy of the state.

[Chief Rum]

Tywin Lannister has returned to camp from being an emmissary.

[Chief Rum]

Fairhaven has been raided by unknown raiders!

The holding lost half of its gold and trained men and no ships were produced there.

[hoopsguy]

A very quiet day for House Lannister, it would appear.

I've heard nothing from JAG, but the note posted by Chief Rum would suggest that he has selected another option.

If you have not heard from any other heads of state, and the votes turn against me this afternoon while I am away then I have a particularly aggressive scenario that I would very much consider executing. Joffrey, please let me know which of the houses you detest the most - no answer would mean that I proceed with House Stark.

[Zinto]

It has been a quiet day so far. I believe if we are going to go after a house in an exploding situation it should be the Starks. I hope that the Renly vs. Stannis battle continues and we can survive another day.

[Zinto]

It also seems that Renly sent a member of his bannerman here but I have yet to hear from him. Has he contacted you Grandfather?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Little Bird Report...

There seem to be more rumors aflutter about the kingdom today...

Rumors

...Cersei Lannister desires, more than anything else, to be Hand to the King, replacing her father, and thus rule the Seven Kingdoms...

...There are rumblings of mysterious unknown forces in the northwest...

...House Lannister is well aware of the strength of Dragonstone's assets...

...Foreign emissaries have been seen in the Red Keep. A chambermaid told her friends that she saw the emissaries entering the depths of the Keep. The chambermaid heard the foreigners talking with Lord Varys and Tyrion Lannister...

...a certain Young Wolf has been chattering away with multiple Lions yesterday...

...Some in the Lannister camp believe Lady Melisandre has the ability to remove a king...

...Tywin Lannister refers to Joffrey Lannister as "worthless toad" and "a spoiled 12 year old" in private and states that his loyalty is less than absolute...

Well, that is indeed interesting. I wanted to see if my words had been taken out of context or if these were entirely fabrications.

From my communications with Robb Stark:
"so too is this Joffrey not quite the worthless toad that others believe him to be"

and
"we will not devolve into a reactive, infantile house ruled by the whim of a spoiled 12 year old. Just understand that the voice you are expecting from Joffrey is not what is being delivered in our communications."

I would expect that fully quoting my own words - whether you believe them or not - is acceptable etiquette.

All of this was in response to suggestions that Zinto is playing Joffrey like GRRM's Joffrey, instead of actually trying to win a werewolf game of political intrigue.

And my loyalty is less than absolute. I'm absolutely looking for ways for House Lannister and Joffrey to prevail, but I'm also looking to avoid seeing my head severed from its body by one of the pretender rulers. That said, every action that I've taken since the start of the game has been to further both House Lannister and Joffrey's rules, as they are tightly coupled.

I can comment on this in the general thread if you would like, but I figured that it was more important to speak frankly and directly with our family. If the outsiders wish to use these rumors to further their own agendas, so be it ... it matters not as long as we do not allow them to create discord.

[Zinto]

Any thoughts on the day Jamie? Are you still around?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Zinto

It also seems that Renly sent a member of his bannerman here but I have yet to hear from him. Has he contacted you Grandfather?

No, I have yet to hear from anyone today. Eerily quiet.

[hoopsguy]

If they did in fact send an emissary, that person would visit the king and have unlimited PM rights. I know that the Renly's emissaries are collectively not online for much of the day ... with that in mind, I hope it is Brienne and that she brings good tidings. The extended day would work to our advantage, based on my knowledge of her movements.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Well, that is indeed interesting. I wanted to see if my words had been taken out of context or if these were entirely fabrications.

From my communications with Robb Stark:
"so too is this Joffrey not quite the worthless toad that others believe him to be"

and
"we will not devolve into a reactive, infantile house ruled by the whim of a spoiled 12 year old. Just understand that the voice you are expecting from Joffrey is not what is being delivered in our communications."

I would expect that fully quoting my own words - whether you believe them or not - is acceptable etiquette.

All of this was in response to suggestions that Zinto is playing Joffrey like GRRM's Joffrey, instead of actually trying to win a werewolf game of political intrigue.

And my loyalty is less than absolute. I'm absolutely looking for ways for House Lannister and Joffrey to prevail, but I'm also looking to avoid seeing my head severed from its body by one of the pretender rulers. That said, every action that I've taken since the start of the game has been to further both House Lannister and Joffrey's rules, as they are tightly coupled.

I can comment on this in the general thread if you would like, but I figured that it was more important to speak frankly and directly with our family. If the outsiders wish to use these rumors to further their own agendas, so be it ... it matters not as long as we do not allow them to create discord.

I trust you as much as one can trust a bannerman in this game. I have no doubt the Varys can view a certain number of ravens a day and then spread rumors from those letters.

Honestly without your vote, your men and your gold my shot at the throne is dead so I have to have faith in you. No rumor is going to make me doubt you.

[Zinto]

It is also unfortunate that Roose decided not to take us up on our offer. I think I may have you and Ser Jamie raid some Stark or Stannis land tonight so that we can hopefully do some damage.

[bhlloy]

I'm pretty quiet during the day, as im just on my phone at work. I would agree on the face of it that we should raid Stannis tonight. Ill post more couple hours before deadline when i get home

[hoopsguy]

Some additional info on Robb Stark: He has 35K in treasury, but is getting nearly 20K per day. He has invested in his land Winterfall for additional gold and men ... an investment that seems to be paying off handsomely, at least in comparison to what I saw for Stannis' funds. At 19K additional gold per day, along with 1350 men, that growth dwarfs (why would I use that word, given my last son?) the daily numbers from Casterly Rock. 23,000 men. No ships.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Zinto

It is also unfortunate that Roose decided not to take us up on our offer. I think I may have you and Ser Jamie raid some Stark or Stannis land tonight so that we can hopefully do some damage.

It concerns me because it suggests that he has a high level of confidence for the plans Stark has concocted. If he felt that there was a leadership void, I would expect that he would have joined us.

I'm considering the purchase of an assassin; I expect that will be the direction I go if we get to a point where another Lannister is declared Enemy of the Realm on Day 3.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I'm pretty quiet during the day, as im just on my phone at work. I would agree on the face of it that we should raid Stannis tonight. Ill post more couple hours before deadline when i get home

No worries the next deadline is not until 5 PM tomorrow.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Some additional info on Robb Stark: He has 35K in treasury, but is getting nearly 20K per day. He has invested in his land Winterfall for additional gold and men ... an investment that seems to be paying off handsomely, at least in comparison to what I saw for Stannis' funds. At 19K additional gold per day, along with 1350 men, that growth dwarfs (why would I use that word, given my last son?) the daily numbers from Casterly Rock. 23,000 men. No ships.

I think I should probably invest in Harrenhal, and Kings Landing then. Probably twice(if I can do so in one day) so that we rake in the gold and men.

[bhlloy]

I think the rumblings of mysterious forces in the NW is very interesting. Suggests at some point we will be fighting against more than each other

[hoopsguy]

Everyone sending emissaries to everyone but us sounds very bad for Day 4 - you know, the first day that war can be declared.

We almost certainly need to send an emissary out to one of the rulers; I suspect we have to continue to pursue the Renly angle with hopes that he is truly frosted with Stannis. I think we would also have to promise him that we would go after Stannis instead of Stark.

I'm not going to have much availability for the remainder of the day. If you want me to play this role I can do so, but won't be able to really start the communications until roughly midnight EST which will leave a relatively small window of time.